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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Iceman is basically a human being under ice armor. Marvel goes full-spectrum with their powers - one writer makes a guy so-so, one makes him "ZOMG THROW OUT THE RULE BOOK ON WHAT THE GUY HAS BEEN IN EVERY OTHER ISSUE EVER!" For instance, Tarzan has beaten The Hulk, who in turn has gone toe to toe with the likes of Onslaught. Makes no sense - but that's Marvel. Iceman, as he appears in 99% of the comics featuring him is a man who has the ability to freeze the moisture in the air, making it into beams, skateways, and ice armor. He'd rock Arbiter nine ways until Wednesday, but Iceman as he regularly appears has powers limited to what I listed above. I don't know anything about Ultimate Iceman though - but that's a complete re-imagining of an old character. Wolverine has been beaten by Captain America before, who is essentially Master Chief without the armor and the energy shields and with an adamantium shield - AKA, a super soldier. Wolverine does NOT have superhuman strength or agility, whereas Chief's are well above that possible for a regular human. Also, Wolverine's claws have repeatedly proven ineffective against energy shields - which Chief has. It's 50/50. Also, Wolverine as he's been for decades isn't like the one from the Ultimate comics, who can be ripped in half and glue himself back together - he has much more tangible limits to his healing factor. Wolverine in the movies is a LOT weaker than Wolverine in the comics, yes, but Chief in the games is a LOT weaker than Chief from the books. It's an even match - Chief's training, superior strength/agility and technology VS Wolverine's toughness, lifetimes of martial training, senses, and claws. Chief basically is Captain America in a suit, and the Captain has done *very* well against the likes of Wolverine. Oh, and I've been following Marvel comics since the 70's. No need to tell me how powerful Wolverine is compared to the joke they've made him (and Juggernaut!!) in the movies ;)Shafftehr
Fair enough, but you should know that Wolverine actually does have Enhanced Human Strength.Not Peak Human, like Capt. America, but Beyond that. Even if I didn't know Wolvy's official strength level from the Main Marvel Universe, His skeleton weighs a about a ton, yet he jumps around no problem. It's an official listing though.
As far as his Healing factor goes, the Supervillian NITRO recently incinerated Wolverine down to his skeleton in the real marvel universe, and Wolverine's bones had some cells that survived, and from that, Wolvy was back alive in about 10 minutes.
In fact, he captured Nitro naked that same issue, while Nitro was bragging on the phone that he destroyed Wolverine, and saw his skeleton remains as proof.
I guess it depends on which Wolverine we are talking about.
That's what's weird about Marvel. 1st edition Marvel cards from either the late 80's or early 90's (I have the complete set - set 3 was released in 1992, so I think set 1 was 1989 or 1990, but can't recall which)) say that Wolverine's healing factor allow him to completely heal from a bullet wound in mere hours... Mind you, these are official Marvel cards - but I've seen it go all over the place in comics.
What's the "real" Wolvervine in this case, because the information in that card is accurately reflected in comics as surely as your incident with Nitro. And strength... Marvel set 3 has listings of 1 to 7 for each character, for strength/intelligence/energy projection/mental powers/fighting ability/speed, in that order. 2 is described as "normal human" - Wolverine is 2/3/1/1/7/2, giving him normal human strength. Again, official Marvel cards. Marvel comics and sourcesare all over the place.
For me, Chief is basically Captain America with a suit of power armor and greater strength, speed, and arguably agility. Captain America has beaten Wolverine before in a totally fair fight. That's why I say it's 50/50. And, every time you cite a statistic of "Wolverine did this in this comic" showing his power level to be so high, you can cite a dozen other official Marvel sources stating quite clearly that they're elsewhere. Personally,
I don't think we should argue, because if you're a fan of comics, you know the power levels vary *incredibly* from author to author and from period to period - and that there are iterations of Wolverine which would be good matches for Chief. I admit openly that some iterations would slaughter the Chief - but, those aren't the ones I grew up reading. Well, maybe the one from the Secret Wars, but that stuff was just off the hook...You are right, his power levels do go up and down, like all heros, depending on the author. Same for Supes, Flash, Magneto, and even Thor and Hulk.
I can't see any version of Wolverine fighting MC fairly though, in a battle arena Roman Sty.le, would be one thing...but I see it playing out that Wolverine would jump out in a jungle, and going back and forth...before finishing the fight, he would realize MC is good, and they would do a Team Up!
It would be a four parter limited series.:lol:
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