Halo Wars

I watched a gameplay trailer a while back and it looked pretty great. There were some cool features the terrain allowed you to exploit. The controls are supposed to be very intuative and well adjusted for RTS. I hope it makes a PC appearance though. As good as console RTS controls are getting they still arn't as good as a keyboard and mouse. I'm a little concerned about factions though. it looks like the game will feature only 2 factions. The Covenent and the UNSC. That's kinda lame.

Private_Vegas

yeah. it would of been way cool to become gravemind and command the flood. what i'd like to see is a halo shooter, but you as a marine and generally make it more gearsy/GRAW. that'd be awesome.

EDIT: squad based shooter.

Isn't this their first console venture?

Also, I'm worried that they'll try to semi-casualise the RTS genre much in the same way they did with Halo 3. Don't get me wrong,t he semi-casualising for Halo 3 worked a treat making it an even more than regular FPS games, but RTS is essentially a core gamer genre. If they casualise it, it may end up stripping away the depth that regular RTS gamers look for.

donwoogie

But I'm not going to get my hopes up :P

I'm not even going to mention Starcraft 2... Because that may make me forget all other RTS games for a long, long time...

yeah. it would of been way cool to become gravemind and command the flood.

crunchUK

If Halo Wars allows you to play as the flood... I'd maybe not play with any of the other factions. Ever.

Just like the Zerg all over again...

[QUOTE="donwoogie"]

Isn't this their first console venture?

Also, I'm worried that they'll try to semi-casualise the RTS genre much in the same way they did with Halo 3. Don't get me wrong,t he semi-casualising for Halo 3 worked a treat making it an even more than regular FPS games, but RTS is essentially a core gamer genre. If they casualise it, it may end up stripping away the depth that regular RTS gamers look for.

musicalmac

But I'm not going to get my hopes up :P

rofl, fair play.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Ensemble is a long in the tooth PC rts maker. Don't expect this thing to be amazing.musicalmac

But my console RTS hopes have gotten higher for Tom Clancy's End War now. Total voice commands (that work!) FTW.

That's how you do a console RTS on a console that comes with a headset.

i think bungie would have done a better job, i found myth 1& 2 better than any rts ensemble made

i think bungie would have done a better job, i found myth 1& 2 better than any rts ensemble made

naval

*coughmarathoncough*

That's why I'm glad Ensamble is heading it up, because they're solid, and it's not some small or no-name dev team. I'm curious to see what Bungie will come up with.

[QUOTE="naval"]

i think bungie would have done a better job, i found myth 1& 2 better than any rts ensemble made

musicalmac

*coughmarathoncough*

That's why I'm glad Ensamble is heading it up, because they're solid, and it's not some small or no-name dev team. I'm curious to see what Bungie will come up with.

they have done rts, fps, action games, perhaps a rpg now :D

they have done rts, fps, action games, perhaps a rpg now :D

naval

Just not more Halo FPS. Not because they're bad, but because it's perfect. Don't pull a Michael Jordan and come back and ruin your legacy. Please.

[QUOTE="naval"]

they have done rts, fps, action games, perhaps a rpg now :D

musicalmac

Just not more Halo FPS. Not because they're bad, but because it's perfect. Don't pull a Michael Jordan and come back and ruin your legacy. Please.

Not many seem to remember this but about 6 years ago there was much talk about a game Bungie was working on for the Xbox that was set in medieval times ( RPG maybe ? ) but they must have shelved it as I haven't heard anything about the game in years. :?

RTS sucks on consoles. it should never be done. thegoldenpoo

one of my friends is playing the alpha on xbl i wonder how he got itspue

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]RTS sucks on consoles. it should never be done. musicalmac

EndWar looks really shallow in RTS standards. Pre-defined waypoints/capture points? Direct-line movement? It replaces the "single-point-and-click" gameplay of a rudimentary RTS with single-voice-command gameplay. Not too promising, IMO. I'm sure it could be immersive if done well, so it'll still probably be a good game worth playing, but it'll be even shallower and more action-oriented than WiC.

Real time strategy games are for attention deficit plagued Dell Kids that don't have the patience for real strategy games with depth.

Disposable units. Macros. :lol:

EndWar looks really shallow in RTS standards. Pre-defined waypoints/capture points? Direct-line movement? It replaces the "single-point-and-click" gameplay of a rudimentary RTS with single-voice-command gameplay. Not too promising, IMO. I'm sure it could be immersive if done well, so it'll still probably be a good game worth playing, but it'll be even shallower and more action-oriented than WiC.

mjarantilla

Real time strategy games are for attention deficit plagued Dell Kids that don't have the patience for real strategy games with depth.

Disposable units. Macros. :lol:

TekkenMaster606

Rofl, no, it's for people who prefer to use tactics rather than startegy. Nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Real time strategy games are for attention deficit plagued Dell Kids that don't have the patience for real strategy games with depth.

Disposable units. Macros. :lol:

donwoogie

Rofl, no, it's for people who prefer to use tactics rather than startegy. Nothing wrong with that.

RTS is still the dumbed down strategy genre.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

EndWar looks really shallow in RTS standards. Pre-defined waypoints/capture points? Direct-line movement? It replaces the "single-point-and-click" gameplay of a rudimentary RTS with single-voice-command gameplay. Not too promising, IMO. I'm sure it could be immersive if done well, so it'll still probably be a good game worth playing, but it'll be even shallower and more action-oriented than WiC.

musicalmac

Well, they said that there's a lot of depth in the unit selection and uprading, so that's where I think we'll see more decisions being made. But the actual battle itself? I can't see how it can be anything but shallow. You have no fine control over unit positioning, not even as fine as in WiC. They'd have to put in a LOT of AI assistance to make sure your units don't screw up your orders when you try something more complicated than a "Attack-move to point A" command.

Well, they said that there's a lot of depth in the unit selection and uprading, so that's where I think we'll see more decisions being made. But the actual battle itself? I can't see how it can be anything but shallow. You have no fine control over unit positioning, not even as fine as in WiC. They'd have to put in a LOT of AI assistance to make sure your units don't screw up your orders when you try something more complicated than a "Attack-move to point A" command.

mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Well, they said that there's a lot of depth in the unit selection and uprading, so that's where I think we'll see more decisions being made. But the actual battle itself? I can't see how it can be anything but shallow. You have no fine control over unit positioning, not even as fine as in WiC. They'd have to put in a LOT of AI assistance to make sure your units don't screw up your orders when you try something more complicated than a "Attack-move to point A" command.musicalmac

My assumptions about games tend to over-estimate rather than under-estimate the features involved. :P

AI assistance is generally compensated by an equal abundance of passive combat depth, with more factors coming in to play to keep the player's mind busy with decisions. Kinda like the real-time battles of the Total War series. But Ubisoft has never been too good at being faithful to realism.

My assumptions about games tend to over-estimate rather than under-estimate the features involved. :P

AI assistance is generally compensated by an equal abundance of passive combat depth, with more factors coming in to play to keep the player's mind busy with decisions. Kinda like the real-time battles of the Total War series. But Ubisoft has never been too good at being faithful to realism.

mjarantilla

I really do have high hopes for the voice command stuff. It was fun to tinker with in the Rainbow Six 3 on the XBOX. I hope they could really make it a viable tool for controlling troops here.

MS needs to stop forcing a genre that's clearly not made and never supposed to be controlled with a gamepad. Playing an RTS with a controller is like using AutoCad with thumbsticks or spreading peaunut butter with a fork, it sucks plain and simple. Not only are you fighting the controls, you're fighting the opponent or AI.

The reason why MS is promoting this? They are trying to entice newer PC Gamers to their console, this is more than obvious. They know the old dogs like myself aren't biting on this, although I do like console games on consoles, just not pc games on consoles. A game like Halo Wars being made NOT for MS's new Operating System Vista? What sense does that make? If they truly cared for the PC as a platform, they would get behind it, which they continue not to do. What an excellent way to show console only gamers how much fun they COULD have on a PC with a franchise they love.

MICROSOFT = FAILDOZER

The only thing I like so far from what I have seen of halo wars is the buildings. In some RTS's they look out of place but in halo wars they look like they actually belong.

And of course thats not really important.....at all.

This is strategy..

CoH/DoW are mere Dune2 clo(w)nes... WiC is a nice departure from this pathetic trend...

True_Gamer_