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#51 TNT_Slug
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Halo's story could have been a Starcraft fanfic. But at least it's told in an enticing way... (didn't carry over to Halo 2).
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[QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"]Making a science fiction parallel to real-world conflict doesn't necessarily make a story great.Redmoonxl2


Starship Troopers (The book, not the movie) did a better job than Halo when it comes to that.

What makes a story great is its content, not its theme.



What makes a story great is the way it's told. In that respect, Halo did a good job.

If HOW a story is told is what endears you to a story, I have a lot of fourth-wall breaking 80s sitcoms to show you. After you watch them all, you can tell me again how important the HOW is to a story.



The fact is that the stories told lately is nothing new. Tell me, what was the last original movie/book/show you've seen or read? It's usually something based on an already explored theme. The only thing left to do is tell the story in unique ways. Making things overly complicated doesn't help the reader/viewer interested unless you have the ability to make it interesting. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example of making things entirely too complicated to the point where people just loses interest. Then again, Tolkien has a horrible habit of spending 5 chapters on the way a chair looks like.

also, tolkien has what i call "the swamp of names." it's a really big swamp with like a million names floating about. and you have to wade around the entire swamp and pick out the important ones.
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#53 hlife12
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        The weakness of this game is its hype, it has way to many people blindly following it as the best game of all time and millions playing it. If it was an unhyped game or a sleeper hit, it would be regarded as great. People attack it because of the fact that there are many bungie fanboys praising it as one would a god.

        I enjoyed this game and the books but I wouldn't say its that amazing, and that they could have flushed out the story in the game instead of making you pay an extra 8 bucks to learn about it in a paperback.

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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"]Making a science fiction parallel to real-world conflict doesn't necessarily make a story great.ZebethOrZebes


Starship Troopers (The book, not the movie) did a better job than Halo when it comes to that.

What makes a story great is its content, not its theme.



What makes a story great is the way it's told. In that respect, Halo did a good job.

If HOW a story is told is what endears you to a story, I have a lot of fourth-wall breaking 80s sitcoms to show you. After you watch them all, you can tell me again how important the HOW is to a story.



The fact is that the stories told lately is nothing new. Tell me, what was the last original movie/book/show you've seen or read? It's usually something based on an already explored theme. The only thing left to do is tell the story in unique ways. Making things overly complicated doesn't help the reader/viewer interested unless you have the ability to make it interesting. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example of making things entirely too complicated to the point where people just loses interest. Then again, Tolkien has a horrible habit of spending 5 chapters on the way a chair looks like.

I have never read anything that was "completely" original, and never will. Unique ways of telling stories are only worthwhile if what is being talked about is interesting. I can write a second-person epic poem (when's the last time you read any of those?) but it won't necessarily be good just because no one has ever written an epic poem in the second person.



I think the fact that there is no "clear" precedent for a second-person epic poem almost automatically means it'll be worthwhile to read. Even if it's merely good, people will be interested in it and praise it simply because they cannot compare it to a better second-person epic poem.

BTW, I'm interested in hearing this poem.:P
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It's an alright story. It's better when you read the books, but even the books don't make it amazing. You can't compare Halo's story to most RPG's, MGS or a couple of the Resident Evils.
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The weakness of this game is its hype, it has way to many people blindly following it as the best game of all time and millions playing it. If it was an unhyped game or a sleeper hit, it would be regarded as great. People attack it because of the fact that there are many bungie fanboys praising it as one would a god.

I enjoyed this game and the books but I wouldn't say its that amazing, and that they could have flushed out the story in the game instead of making you pay an extra 8 bucks to learn about it in a paperback.

hlife12

Well Halo was a sleeper hit, during E3 it didnt even havea smooth framerate, yet once it came out it was playable and became a big hit.

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#57 S0DA_POPINSKI
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I agree Halo does have a good story, anyone who says otherwise didn't pay attention to the game or read the books. The only thing that bothers me is that Starcraft and Halo have a very similar story. Humans = Terrans, Covenant = Protoss, Flood = Zerg, and Forerunner = Xel'Naga. Either way both great games with a great history, and depth.Godslay
I played through game. Story was better then average I thought. But the games story should be in the game. I have no interest in reading a Halo book.
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[QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"]Making a science fiction parallel to real-world conflict doesn't necessarily make a story great.psychic_zebra


Starship Troopers (The book, not the movie) did a better job than Halo when it comes to that.

What makes a story great is its content, not its theme.



What makes a story great is the way it's told. In that respect, Halo did a good job.

If HOW a story is told is what endears you to a story, I have a lot of fourth-wall breaking 80s sitcoms to show you. After you watch them all, you can tell me again how important the HOW is to a story.



The fact is that the stories told lately is nothing new. Tell me, what was the last original movie/book/show you've seen or read? It's usually something based on an already explored theme. The only thing left to do is tell the story in unique ways. Making things overly complicated doesn't help the reader/viewer interested unless you have the ability to make it interesting. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example of making things entirely too complicated to the point where people just loses interest. Then again, Tolkien has a horrible habit of spending 5 chapters on the way a chair looks like.

I have never read anything that was "completely" original, and never will. Unique ways of telling stories are only worthwhile if what is being talked about is interesting. I can write a second-person epic poem (when's the last time you read any of those?) but it won't necessarily be good just because no one has ever written an epic poem in the second person.



I think the fact that there is no "clear" precedent for a second-person epic poem almost automatically means it'll be worthwhile to read. Even if it's merely good, people will be interested in it and praise it simply because they cannot compare it to a better second-person epic poem.

BTW, I'm interested in hearing this poem.:P

You do realize with a concept as basic as that, I could just take the Odyssey, and change the pronouns, and you'd love it; right?
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#59 Spartan070
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Halo has a good story if you play the games and a spectacular story if you read the books.
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I have never read anything that was "completely" original, and never will. Unique ways of telling stories are only worthwhile if what is being talked about is interesting. I can write a second-person epic poem (when's the last time you read any of those?) but it won't necessarily be good just because no one has ever written an epic poem in the second person.ZebethOrZebes


Which is my point. Either make me interested or I'll ignore it, no matter how much content you cramp into it.
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#61 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="Godslay"]I agree Halo does have a good story, anyone who says otherwise didn't pay attention to the game or read the books. The only thing that bothers me is that Starcraft and Halo have a very similar story. Humans = Terrans, Covenant = Protoss, Flood = Zerg, and Forerunner = Xel'Naga. Either way both great games with a great history, and depth.S0DA_POPINSKI
I played through game. Story was better then average I thought. But the games story should be in the game. I have no interest in reading a Halo book.

It would be loaded with 2+ hours of cinematics each game in order to do that, plus the books span a 40 year period.
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        The weakness of this game is its hype, it has way to many people blindly following it as the best game of all time and millions playing it. If it was an unhyped game or a sleeper hit, it would be regarded as great. People attack it because of the fact that there are many bungie fanboys praising it as one would a god.

        I enjoyed this game and the books but I wouldn't say its that amazing, and that they could have flushed out the story in the game instead of making you pay an extra 8 bucks to learn about it in a paperback.

hlife12

Thank you. My thoughts exactly. I fault the story of the game if you need to read seperate books just to understand the story better. Players shouldn't have to look elsewhere for plot points. Also, the story had too many important details dropped. I can elaborate on those points if you want me too. The creators had to cut down the time of the cutscenes because they were worried that people would hate the game if a skippable cinema lasted more than 3 minutes.

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#63 THE_KR1PT
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It is an enertaining story that is well told and has been carried out between 3 games. That might be one reason some people don't really like/get the story, because it is stretched out inbetween 3 different games and not just three different stories. The books just add that much more to the whole experience.
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[QUOTE="psychic_zebra"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"]Making a science fiction parallel to real-world conflict doesn't necessarily make a story great.ZebethOrZebes


Starship Troopers (The book, not the movie) did a better job than Halo when it comes to that.

What makes a story great is its content, not its theme.



What makes a story great is the way it's told. In that respect, Halo did a good job.

If HOW a story is told is what endears you to a story, I have a lot of fourth-wall breaking 80s sitcoms to show you. After you watch them all, you can tell me again how important the HOW is to a story.



The fact is that the stories told lately is nothing new. Tell me, what was the last original movie/book/show you've seen or read? It's usually something based on an already explored theme. The only thing left to do is tell the story in unique ways. Making things overly complicated doesn't help the reader/viewer interested unless you have the ability to make it interesting. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example of making things entirely too complicated to the point where people just loses interest. Then again, Tolkien has a horrible habit of spending 5 chapters on the way a chair looks like.

I have never read anything that was "completely" original, and never will. Unique ways of telling stories are only worthwhile if what is being talked about is interesting. I can write a second-person epic poem (when's the last time you read any of those?) but it won't necessarily be good just because no one has ever written an epic poem in the second person.



I think the fact that there is no "clear" precedent for a second-person epic poem almost automatically means it'll be worthwhile to read. Even if it's merely good, people will be interested in it and praise it simply because they cannot compare it to a better second-person epic poem.

BTW, I'm interested in hearing this poem.:P

You do realize with a concept as basic as that, I could just take the Odyssey, and change the pronouns, and you'd love it; right?



My point was that, yes, you could take Odyssey and alter it to make something that, potentially, no one has seen before and that it would be praised and loved. But, if immidiately afterwards I wrote a second-person poem that is "better" than yours, then your poem would be questioned on its overall quality and perhaps be exposed as a second-rate product of work.
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#65 ZebethOrZebes
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[QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"]I have never read anything that was "completely" original, and never will. Unique ways of telling stories are only worthwhile if what is being talked about is interesting. I can write a second-person epic poem (when's the last time you read any of those?) but it won't necessarily be good just because no one has ever written an epic poem in the second person.Redmoonxl2


Which is my point. Either make me interested or I'll ignore it, no matter how much content you cramp into it.

I never said it was the quantity of the content, I implied it was the quality of the content.
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[QUOTE="6icks_tea_4hoar"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"][QUOTE="6icks_tea_4hoar"][QUOTE="ZebethOrZebes"]Making a science fiction parallel to real-world conflict doesn't necessarily make a story great.6icks_tea_4hoar
did i say it was the best story ever?

No, but you said that the fact that it mirrors current events makes it better than people realize.

because people act like it has no story.

oh please.. 99% of fps stories are cliche and secondary to the action. halo is no different.edeasknight
here is a good example. he's not giving the story any credit.



its hard to give much credit to a mish mash of cliches and cliched themes. for what it is, it does a fine job of moving along the action without becoming boring or making you want to skip the cutscenes, which is all it needs to do. a story doesnt need to be overtly complex to be entertaining, but at the same time as you tell people to give the story credit for not being terrible, you should also not expect me to give a cliche story like halos more credit than it deserves.
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[QUOTE="Tiefster"][QUOTE="Godslay"]I agree Halo does have a good story, anyone who says otherwise didn't pay attention to the game or read the books. The only thing that bothers me is that Starcraft and Halo have a very similar story. Humans = Terrans, Covenant = Protoss, Flood = Zerg, and Forerunner = Xel'Naga. Either way both great games with a great history, and depth.Godslay


You're giving Halo's story too much credit, it is good but there are other FPS's that have better stories.


Name a few ?

Call of Duty 2.

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[QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Godslay"]I agree Halo does have a good story, anyone who says otherwise didn't pay attention to the game or read the books. The only thing that bothers me is that Starcraft and Halo have a very similar story. Humans = Terrans, Covenant = Protoss, Flood = Zerg, and Forerunner = Xel'Naga. Either way both great games with a great history, and depth.Spartan070
I played through game. Story was better then average I thought. But the games story should be in the game. I have no interest in reading a Halo book.

It would be loaded with 2+ hours of cinematics each game in order to do that, plus the books span a 40 year period.

I wouldnt want it in the game. Never mind your missing my point.
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Halo has the best story of any console FPS
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people who say halo's story sucks have probably played too many RPGs. let's take a look at the FPS genre. there isn't much story going on in that genre. in fact, you have games like Painkiller for the Xbox which basically has no story. Halo's story has themes such as:

  • racism
  • church and state
  • religious fanaticism

all of which are very topical, and at some points, seem to draw parallels to current events.

now let's look at the covenant. at first glance, they seem like generic aliens bent on world domination. but on further inspection, you see that they're not so much bent on taking over the world as they are about a "great journey." however, the army seems oblivious to the fact that in order for this "great journey" to take place, all sentient life must die; they run purely on blind faith, and in essence, kill themselves for that faith. this draws parallels to radical islam. things get even more interesting when you consider the brutes and ttheir allies, and the elites and their allies, both of whom are fighting each other and preventing the covenant from fighting under one banner, which is similar to sunnis vs. shiites.

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too bad its so poorly told that you have to jump through hoops, and buy the extra books for it to be coherent
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[QUOTE="6icks_tea_4hoar"]

people who say halo's story sucks have probably played too many RPGs. let's take a look at the FPS genre. there isn't much story going on in that genre. in fact, you have games like Painkiller for the Xbox which basically has no story. Halo's story has themes such as:

  • racism
  • church and state
  • religious fanaticism

all of which are very topical, and at some points, seem to draw parallels to current events.

now let's look at the covenant. at first glance, they seem like generic aliens bent on world domination. but on further inspection, you see that they're not so much bent on taking over the world as they are about a "great journey." however, the army seems oblivious to the fact that in order for this "great journey" to take place, all sentient life must die; they run purely on blind faith, and in essence, kill themselves for that faith. this draws parallels to radical islam. things get even more interesting when you consider the brutes and ttheir allies, and the elites and their allies, both of whom are fighting each other and preventing the covenant from fighting under one banner, which is similar to sunnis vs. shiites.

Viviath
too bad its so poorly told that you have to jump through hoops, and buy the extra books for it to be coherent

my original post was made using only information that was actually provided in the game.
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I have to agree. I really like the Halo story I don't care what people say about it. I am going to play Halo 3 all the way through just to see what happens.
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too bad its so poorly told that you have to jump through hoops, and buy the extra books for it to be coherentViviath
:? You couldn't understand it? sad....

Also, what, pray-tell, are these hoops you speak of? Do you have to "unlock" the story or something?:?.............:roll:

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[QUOTE="Viviath"] too bad its so poorly told that you have to jump through hoops, and buy the extra books for it to be coherentSpartan070

:? You couldn't understand it? sad....

Also, what, pray-tell, are these hoops you speak of? Do you have to "unlock" the story or something?:?.............:roll:

with every achievement unlocked you get a free story element!
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Viviath"] too bad its so poorly told that you have to jump through hoops, and buy the extra books for it to be coherent6icks_tea_4hoar

:? You couldn't understand it? sad....

Also, what, pray-tell, are these hoops you speak of? Do you have to "unlock" the story or something?:?.............:roll:

with every achievement unlocked you get a free story element!



Don't give them any ideas! I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to do just that.
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[QUOTE="6icks_tea_4hoar"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Viviath"] too bad its so poorly told that you have to jump through hoops, and buy the extra books for it to be coherentpsychic_zebra

:? You couldn't understand it? sad....

Also, what, pray-tell, are these hoops you speak of? Do you have to "unlock" the story or something?:?.............:roll:

with every achievement unlocked you get a free story element!



Don't give them any ideas! I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to do just that.

at least they're not obtained through microtransactions. O SHI- THEY HEARD ME!!!
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[QUOTE="psychic_zebra"][QUOTE="6icks_tea_4hoar"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Viviath"] too bad its so poorly told that you have to jump through hoops, and buy the extra books for it to be coherent6icks_tea_4hoar

:? You couldn't understand it? sad....

Also, what, pray-tell, are these hoops you speak of? Do you have to "unlock" the story or something?:?.............:roll:

with every achievement unlocked you get a free story element!



Don't give them any ideas! I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to do just that.

at least they're not obtained through microtransactions. O SHI- THEY HEARD ME!!!



Lol yeah, it'll be a sad day when a game is released in parts instead of one complete game. Oh wait...