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3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?
 
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According to GameSpot, the PSP's lineup is better.
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A Wii + A DS lite = Heaven

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So, why is it the wiimote a gimmick? Seriously, playing wii sports mutliplayer, that is not a gimmick, one the funnest gaming experiences ever.
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3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

shadow_lord_11



"The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales." If the lineup of the Wii is such a crap compared to its competitors, going by your logic written above, how can you explain to me how the Wii is selling the way it is in comparison to the competiton and most importantly past Nintendo consoles? How can you disprove the obvious similarities both the DS and Wii are having both in sucess and general appeal, with the very unsupported facts you presented.



the wii is selling because its a new console at a low price point. Early adopters and die hard nintendo fanboys are spurring the large majority of sales.


Of course, it must be that................ Or not! Wii is having a positive outlook in the media far greater then any console in its launch in the last few generations, not to mention past Nintendo consoles. Not to be a total ass but I think you are deluding yourself with that statement.
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3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

caje47


According to GameSpot, the PSP's lineup is better.

according to gamespot, yes i would agree. however, the psp is filled with ps2 ports. Millions of people already played almost identical games on the ps2. at least the games on ds are original even if they dont use the stylus.

also difference in price is pushin sales of ds over psp. $250 for a launch handheld is ridiculous. i forgot to mention that in my first post.
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Sheep think that because the wii and the ds both have a gimmick ,success in one automatically translates to success in the other. Im here to set the record straight.

1. First off, the handheld market has two competitors, the console market had three. Thats is itslef is a big ifference

2. You think the DS is selling well because of its gimmick? look at the ds's best games. With the exception of Nintendogs, thy dotn even use the stylus to any great extent.

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind  sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

5. You have to take into account the accessibility of handhelds. In a family of multiple children, EACH CHILD will likely have a handheld of their own. i speak from expereicne that all of the children in my family have handhelds of their own. whereas a console will serve the whole household.

6. GBA is the best selling gaming device ever? look how successful that made gamecube :roll:

in conclusion, i'd just like to say that now matter how sheep try to convince themselves, just because both they are similar in that they have a gimmick to them, handhelds=/=console. end of story.
shadow_lord_11

I always thought the Wii and DS were both successful because they both are selling very well. Although, I'm stupid and gennerally don't know what I'm talking about. ;)

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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

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"The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales." If the lineup of the Wii is such a crap compared to its competitors, going by your logic written above, how can you explain to me how the Wii is selling the way it is in comparison to the competiton and most importantly past Nintendo consoles? How can you disprove the obvious similarities both the DS and Wii are having both in sucess and general appeal, with the very unsupported facts you presented.



the wii is selling because its a new console at a low price point. Early adopters and die hard nintendo fanboys are spurring the large majority of sales.


Of course, it must be that................ Or not! Wii is having a positive outlook in the media far greater then any console in its launch in the last few generations, not to mention past Nintendo consoles. Not to be a total ass but I think you are deluding yourself with that statement.

The wii's positive outlook in the media has no bearing at all on my statement so i fail to see how you've come to the conclusion that im "delusional" giving the facts you've presented.
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I always thought the Wii and DS were both successful because they both are selling very well. Although, I'm stupid and gennerally don't know what I'm talking about. ;)MrDziekuje
sorry, i forgot that in my post, i denied either one of thier overall success.








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I don't get it??GatoFeo
He trying to see the future with past events I think. -_- The gamecube sold bad even when it did got a lot of good games. That I think will happen to the PS3 this gen. I heard Nintendo use to be stupid back at the 64 and treated 3rd party like it was a huge honor to work for Nintendo and it...well...it just really p**** them off and they supported the PlayStation 1 and 2. Now Sony got over confident and lazy thinking their name would be a easy win and they will lose this gen. Maybe next time it will be Microsoft's turn to be stupid! :P
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

shadow_lord_11



"The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales." If the lineup of the Wii is such a crap compared to its competitors, going by your logic written above, how can you explain to me how the Wii is selling the way it is in comparison to the competiton and most importantly past Nintendo consoles? How can you disprove the obvious similarities both the DS and Wii are having both in sucess and general appeal, with the very unsupported facts you presented.



the wii is selling because its a new console at a low price point. Early adopters and die hard nintendo fanboys are spurring the large majority of sales.


Of course, it must be that................ Or not! Wii is having a positive outlook in the media far greater then any console in its launch in the last few generations, not to mention past Nintendo consoles. Not to be a total ass but I think you are deluding yourself with that statement.

The wii's positive outlook in the media has no bearing at all on my statement so i fail to see how you've come to the conclusion that im "delusional" giving the facts you've presented.

I'm not only talking about your statement. I'm talking about Wii's sucess and its appeal in comparison to the DS, your last statement like your original points do not provide proof enough to disprove the similarities I'm seeing on both of those platforms.
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Thanks for your thoughts.
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[QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]I always thought the Wii and DS were both successful because they both are selling very well. Although, I'm stupid and gennerally don't know what I'm talking about. ;)shadow_lord_11
sorry, i forgot that in my post, i denied either one of thier overall success.








The Wii yes, but you will deny even the DS? Why? It's trashing the PSP in terms of sales and with no other competitor in sight, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. Unless you use one of the cows' excuse "But sales does not constitute success", then what the hell does? Their fanboy opinions, oh please.
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I'm not only talking about your statement. I'm talking about Wii's sucess and its appeal in comparison to the DS, your last statement like your original points do not provide proof enough to disprove the similarities I'm seeing on both of those platforms. StealthSting
im not trying to disprove similarities.

im trying to point out differences.

thats why im saying that handheld success does not automatically translate to consoles because they arent identical, despite the similarities.
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]I always thought the Wii and DS were both successful because they both are selling very well. Although, I'm stupid and gennerally don't know what I'm talking about. ;)taker42
sorry, i forgot that in my post, i denied either one of thier overall success.








The Wii yes, but you will deny even the DS? Why? It's trashing the PSP in terms of sales and with no other competitor in sight, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. Unless you use one of the cows' excuse "But sales does not constitute success", then what the hell does? Their fanboy opinions, oh please.

that was sarcasm in case you missed it.
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and cows need to remember that last gen's sales don't mean high sales this genBuryMe
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[QUOTE="taker42"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]I always thought the Wii and DS were both successful because they both are selling very well. Although, I'm stupid and gennerally don't know what I'm talking about. ;)shadow_lord_11
sorry, i forgot that in my post, i denied either one of thier overall success.








The Wii yes, but you will deny even the DS? Why? It's trashing the PSP in terms of sales and with no other competitor in sight, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. Unless you use one of the cows' excuse "But sales does not constitute success", then what the hell does? Their fanboy opinions, oh please.

that was sarcasm in case you missed it.

Yeah I missed it :P
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

shadow_lord_11



"The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales." If the lineup of the Wii is such a crap compared to its competitors, going by your logic written above, how can you explain to me how the Wii is selling the way it is in comparison to the competiton and most importantly past Nintendo consoles? How can you disprove the obvious similarities both the DS and Wii are having both in sucess and general appeal, with the very unsupported facts you presented.



the wii is selling because its a new console at a low price point. Early adopters and die hard nintendo fanboys are spurring the large majority of sales.


Of course, it must be that................ Or not! Wii is having a positive outlook in the media far greater then any console in its launch in the last few generations, not to mention past Nintendo consoles. Not to be a total ass but I think you are deluding yourself with that statement.

The wii's positive outlook in the media has no bearing at all on my statement so i fail to see how you've come to the conclusion that im "delusional" giving the facts you've presented.

I'm not only talking about your statement. I'm talking about Wii's sucess and its appeal in comparison to the DS, your last statement like your original points do not provide proof enough to disprove the similarities I'm seeing on both of those platforms.

im not trying to disprove similarities.

im trying to point out differences.

thats why im saying that handheld success does not automatically translate to consoles because they arent identical, despite the similarities.

Thats exactly my point, you're partly talking about sucess like you said above and yet I see both of these platforms succeeding in a not so different basis. Can both markets be completely different? Sure. But can a handheld and a console survive with an equal strategy? Absolutely. Wii has nothing to do with DS hardware wise, both can achieve totally different gameplay perspectives or gameplay possibilities, but both their strategy can definitely coexist in either market. In fact I don't see the impossibility of them not coexisting with each other.
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"] Thats exactly my point, you're partly talking about sucess like you said above and yet I see both of these platforms succeeding in a not so different basis. Can both markets be completely different? Sure. But can a handheld and a console survive with an equal strategy? Absolutely. Wii has nothing to do with DS hardware wise, both can achieve totally different gameplay perspectives or gameplay possibilities, but both their strategy can definitely coexist in either market. In fact I don't see the impossibility of them not coexisting with each other.

Well not borderline success, i meant, just because the ds is dominating, that doesnt automatically certify the wii as the most dominative console this gen, despite early sales.
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

shadow_lord_11



"The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales." If the lineup of the Wii is such a crap compared to its competitors, going by your logic written above, how can you explain to me how the Wii is selling the way it is in comparison to the competiton and most importantly past Nintendo consoles? How can you disprove the obvious similarities both the DS and Wii are having both in sucess and general appeal, with the very unsupported facts you presented.



the wii is selling because its a new console at a low price point. Early adopters and die hard nintendo fanboys are spurring the large majority of sales.


Of course, it must be that................ Or not! Wii is having a positive outlook in the media far greater then any console in its launch in the last few generations, not to mention past Nintendo consoles. Not to be a total ass but I think you are deluding yourself with that statement.

The wii's positive outlook in the media has no bearing at all on my statement so i fail to see how you've come to the conclusion that im "delusional" giving the facts you've presented.

I'm not only talking about your statement. I'm talking about Wii's sucess and its appeal in comparison to the DS, your last statement like your original points do not provide proof enough to disprove the similarities I'm seeing on both of those platforms.

im not trying to disprove similarities.

im trying to point out differences.

thats why im saying that handheld success does not automatically translate to consoles because they arent identical, despite the similarities.

Thats exactly my point, you're partly talking about sucess like you said above and yet I see both of these platforms succeeding in a not so different basis. Can both markets be completely different? Sure. But can a handheld and a console survive with an equal strategy? Absolutely. Wii has nothing to do with DS hardware wise, both can achieve totally different gameplay perspectives or gameplay possibilities, but both their strategy can definitely coexist in either market. In fact I don't see the impossibility of them not coexisting with each other.

Well not borderline success, i meant, just because the ds is dominating, that doesnt automatically certify the wii as the most dominative console this gen, despite early sales.

That I have to absolutely agree with you, its too early to tell. Hell, PS3 could really pull a fast rope on this one, you can't really know how things will turn out.
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Sheep think that because the wii and the ds both have a gimmick ,success in one automatically translates to success in the other. Im here to set the record straight.

1. First off, the handheld market has two competitors, the console market had three. Thats is itslef is a big ifference

2. You think the DS is selling well because of its gimmick? look at the ds's best games. With the exception of Nintendogs, thy dotn even use the stylus to any great extent.

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind  sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

5. You have to take into account the accessibility of handhelds. In a family of multiple children, EACH CHILD will likely have a handheld of their own. i speak from expereicne that all of the children in my family have handhelds of their own. whereas a console will serve the whole household.

6. GBA is the best selling gaming device ever? look how successful that made gamecube :roll:

in conclusion, i'd just like to say that now matter how sheep try to convince themselves, just because both they are similar in that they have a gimmick to them, handhelds=/=console. end of story.
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Great post

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Totaly agree.

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You dont have to be a sheep to know that the Wii is going to be a sucess, maybe not the same as the DS, but still.

1. First off, the handheld market has two competitors, the console market had three. Thats is itslef is a big ifference.

Just like operating systems huh? Theres only MS and Apple. Oh nvm, you are prolly going to use PS3 Linux. 

2. You think the DS is selling well because of its gimmick? look at the ds's best games. With the exception of Nintendogs, thy dotn even use the stylus to any great extent.

If they come with a great experience, they do not need to use the Wii-mote. A wii-mote like a stylus does not determine how fun a game is but on how you use it and if you want to use it. SSBB does not use it, but I can guarentee you that it will contribute to the Wii.

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind  sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

2 games are already killer app - Zelda and Wario Ware

Forza, MGS,Ninja Gaiden = All Not Killer App

Zelda > Any Action Adventure Game IMO

but that's not just my opinion, reviewers have given many AAAs and AAAAs to Zelda games, it is an established franchise. Find another killer app franchise that scored AAAA

GT = a casual game, by looks of PS3 right now, its not gonna sell to casuals.

SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart - will all be killer app pretty much no matter

Look at Super Mario Sunshine, it still sold many gamecubes

Better lineup than the 360? IMO NO!

Better lineup than the PS3? Killer-App wise YES.

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

Oh ya multi-plats really determine a console's sucess. What if RE4 didn't come to the PS2, would it still be a sucess? What about GTA to the Xbox 1?

5. You have to take into account the accessibility of handhelds. In a family of multiple children, EACH CHILD will likely have a handheld of their own. i speak from expereicne that all of the children in my family have handhelds of their own. whereas a console will serve the whole household.

Sure that sells consoles. But then again Disk Read Errors and 3 Red Lights of Death will too.

6. GBA is the best selling gaming device ever? look how successful that made gamecube :roll:

Same can be said for PS2 and PSP.


in conclusion, i'd just like to say that now matter how sheep try to convince themselves, just because both they are similar in that they have a gimmick to them, handhelds=/=console. end of story.

True, Handhelds are not the same as consoles, but Wii --> sucess.
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and cows need to remember that last gen's sales don't mean high sales this genBuryMe
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Sheep think that because the wii and the ds both have a gimmick ,success in one automatically translates to success in the other. Im here to set the record straight.

1. First off, the handheld market has two competitors, the console market had three. Thats is itslef is a big ifference

2. You think the DS is selling well because of its gimmick? look at the ds's best games. With the exception of Nintendogs, thy dotn even use the stylus to any great extent.

3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind  sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

5. You have to take into account the accessibility of handhelds. In a family of multiple children, EACH CHILD will likely have a handheld of their own. i speak from expereicne that all of the children in my family have handhelds of their own. whereas a console will serve the whole household.

6. GBA is the best selling gaming device ever? look how successful that made gamecube :roll:

in conclusion, i'd just like to say that now matter how sheep try to convince themselves, just because both they are similar in that they have a gimmick to them, handhelds=/=console. end of story.
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Shadow freak is there anything you want to say because you are always going to lose if you keep bashing Nintendo. Look the wii is going a differnt market so is the DS and Shadow freak can you shut up intel the online games comes to wii. ok
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3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

2 games are already killer app - Zelda and Wario Ware

Forza, MGS,Ninja Gaiden = All Not Killer App

Zelda > Any Action Adventure Game IMO

but that's not just my opinion, reviewers have given many AAAs and AAAAs to Zelda games, it is an established franchise. Find another killer app franchise that scored AAAA

GT = a casual game, by looks of PS3 right now, its not gonna sell to casuals.

SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart - will all be killer app pretty much no matter

Look at Super Mario Sunshine, it still sold many gamecubes

Better lineup than the 360? IMO NO!

Better lineup than the PS3? Killer-App wise YES.

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

Oh ya multi-plats really determine a console's sucess. What if RE4 didn't come to the PS2, would it still be a sucess? What about GTA to the Xbox 1?

free2forum

The only two point i'll bother to rebut are these two.


How are ninja gaiden,MGS, and GT,  NOT killer aps, yet games like mario kart and wario ware are?


The point i was trying to make about multiplats, is that thw wii will be missed MANY great games, which were avaible on all the other consoles except the wii. wii owners get the shaft.
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Shadow freak is there anything you want to say because you are always going to lose if you keep bashing Nintendo. Look the wii is going a differnt market so is the DS and Shadow freak can you shut up intel the online games comes to wii. okNRGCDS
lol sheep playing the waiting game as much as the cows.
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[QUOTE="free2forum"]


3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

2 games are already killer app - Zelda and Wario Ware

Forza, MGS,Ninja Gaiden = All Not Killer App

Zelda > Any Action Adventure Game IMO

but that's not just my opinion, reviewers have given many AAAs and AAAAs to Zelda games, it is an established franchise. Find another killer app franchise that scored AAAA

GT = a casual game, by looks of PS3 right now, its not gonna sell to casuals.

SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart - will all be killer app pretty much no matter

Look at Super Mario Sunshine, it still sold many gamecubes

Better lineup than the 360? IMO NO!

Better lineup than the PS3? Killer-App wise YES.

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

Oh ya multi-plats really determine a console's sucess. What if RE4 didn't come to the PS2, would it still be a sucess? What about GTA to the Xbox 1?

shadow_lord_11

The only two point i'll bother to rebut are these two.


How are ninja gaiden,MGS, and GT,  NOT killer aps, yet games like mario kart and wario ware are?


The point i was trying to make about multiplats, is that thw wii will be missed MANY great games, which were avaible on all the other consoles except the wii. wii owners get the shaft.

So what about the games the wii sales will skyrocket when the online titles that the ps3/x360 don't get.
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]and cows need to remember that last gen's sales don't mean high sales this genHeedleGlavin
Bingo. To the TC: You lost with #2. It's fairly obvious that you've never played a DS to any extent.

i meant critically acclaimed as in Advance wars, mario kart and the like.

But don't forget other critically acclaimed games that only use the stylus, such as Brain Age or Nintendogs.

also, its not just the stylus, its the dual screen
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[QUOTE="NRGCDS"] Shadow freak is there anything you want to say because you are always going to lose if you keep bashing Nintendo. Look the wii is going a differnt market so is the DS and Shadow freak can you shut up intel the online games comes to wii. okshadow_lord_11
lol sheep playing the waiting game as much as the cows.

Just let Nintendo be Nintendo they are doing great with the wii and DS.
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So what about the games the wii sales will skyrocket when the online titles that the ps3/x360 don't get.NRGCDS
if your talking about exclusives, its only natural that each console will get its share.
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[QUOTE="free2forum"]


3. The DS has a better game lineup than the psp. that is what is pushing sales. You sheep act like the wii will win because they both have a new device. you forget that the wii game lineup is complete trash at this point. and even in the future, only a blind sheep would say that the wii has a better game lineup than the 360 and ps3. Basically, every genre is dominated by either the 360 or ps3. What action game will wii throw against assassins creed and ninja gaiden? What racer will it throw against Forza and GT? What shooter will it throw against halo? What will it throw against MGS?

2 games are already killer app - Zelda and Wario Ware

Forza, MGS,Ninja Gaiden = All Not Killer App

Zelda > Any Action Adventure Game IMO

but that's not just my opinion, reviewers have given many AAAs and AAAAs to Zelda games, it is an established franchise. Find another killer app franchise that scored AAAA

GT = a casual game, by looks of PS3 right now, its not gonna sell to casuals.

SSBB, SMG, Mario Kart - will all be killer app pretty much no matter

Look at Super Mario Sunshine, it still sold many gamecubes

Better lineup than the 360? IMO NO!

Better lineup than the PS3? Killer-App wise YES.

4. the wii isnt even getting the high production multiplats :| say goodbye to games like oblivion, rainbow 6, assassins creed, mercs 2, army of two, shadowrun, etc.

Oh ya multi-plats really determine a console's sucess. What if RE4 didn't come to the PS2, would it still be a sucess? What about GTA to the Xbox 1?

shadow_lord_11

The only two point i'll bother to rebut are these two.


How are ninja gaiden,MGS, and GT,  NOT killer aps, yet games like mario kart and wario ware are?


The point i was trying to make about multiplats, is that thw wii will be missed MANY great games, which were avaible on all the other consoles except the wii. wii owners get the shaft.

They sell consoles. Ninja Gaiden was released twice and failed to sell 1 million consoles. PS2 sold 100+ million consoles yet it's GT and MGS sold a number that pales in comparison. WW is in front of zelda in terms of rate. Generally that is very good for the Wii.

If they wanted the game, wouldn't they just buy the console if it was that great

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They sell consoles. Ninja Gaiden was released twice and failed to sell 1 million consoles. PS2 sold 100+ million consoles yet it's GT and MGS sold a number that pales in comparison. WW is in front of zelda in terms of rate. Generally that is very good for the Wii.

If they wanted the game, wouldn't they just buy the console if it was that great

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maybe. but unluckily for them, they dotn have a choice. less multiplats = smaller library = less to choose from.
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There is no automatic success, but the DS's and the Wii's philosophy on gaming are very very similer. They both follow the blue ocean strategy to market.
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[QUOTE="NRGCDS"] So what about the games the wii sales will skyrocket when the online titles that the ps3/x360 don't get.shadow_lord_11
if your talking about exclusives, its only natural that each console will get its share.

Thats right online titles thats exculsively for wii, games like Pokemon battle Revolution, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Animal Crossing, Red Steel 2, Mario Strikers Charged, Mario Party 9, you see people have been saying they want to play mario games online even Super Smash Bros. online that will make the wii sales skyrocket.
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and cows need to remember that last gen's sales don't mean high sales this genBuryMe
And sheep need to release fads die really fast.
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]Don't 5 million sales kind of.... you know, disagree with your entire post?Metroid_Time
nope.

But shouldn't it not be selling due to your points about "teh teh gimmick /cry!" and "no big production gaems!!!!oneoine!!!"

this thread should have ended a long time ago. Just the same re-hashed arguments over and over again. Fission mailed shadow_lord_11
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[QUOTE="BuryMe"]and cows need to remember that last gen's sales don't mean high sales this gencoolguy1111
And sheep need to release fads die really fast.

hmmm....the ds fad didn't seem to die. and the wii seems to have no signs of slowing down "bu bu bu teh wii is a fad :cry:" sure:roll: whatever helps you sleep at night