hardest puzzle in a gameboy color game

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

This is pretty much what it boils down to.

colosion

QFT.

Gaming would not miss a beat if Sony left the industry.

Yah, and Sega systems had some of the most memorable games ever as well, but when they left nobody thought twice about it because nothing actually happened to the industry. Sega was one of the biggest names in gaming ever, and when they died NOTHING HAPPENED. If Sony had to back out guess what? Nothing would happen.

[QUOTE="colosion"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

QFT.

Gaming would not miss a beat if Sony left the industry.

Mr_Nordquist

Yah, and Sega systems had some of the most memorable games ever as well, but when they left nobody thought twice about it because nothing actually happened to the industry. Sega was one of the biggest names in gaming ever, and when they died NOTHING HAPPENED. If Sony had to back out guess what? Nothing would happen.

[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"]

[QUOTE="colosion"] Really? I mean really? Sony puts very good games out, it would be a shame if they stop to develop them... (no more Ueda games, ugh....) colosion

Yah, and Sega systems had some of the most memorable games ever as well, but when they left nobody thought twice about it because nothing actually happened to the industry. Sega was one of the biggest names in gaming ever, and when they died NOTHING HAPPENED. If Sony had to back out guess what? Nothing would happen.

Right, and do you think Sony would stop producing games? Or at the very least they wouldn't sell the developers to different companies? No, and it's pretty obvious my post was referring to Sega dropping out of the console industry.

[QUOTE="colosion"][QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"] SEGA didn't die. They still produce games. Mr_Nordquist

Right, and do you think Sony would stop producing games? Or at the very least they wouldn't sell the developers to different companies? No, and it's pretty obvious my post was referring to Sega dropping out of the console industry.

Gaming would not miss a beat if Sony left the industry.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Nintendo and Sega seemed to keep gaming alive before Sony, and Atari and Mattel seemed to do it for a bit before them, so I think gaming would survive with or without Sony. I prefer competition, and I like Sony, but it would not be the end of gaming if they dropped out.TheOldOlder

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

sony didnt develop lbp, heavy rain, nor flower

gaming has benefited from creative developers more than anything... give credit where its due

ogvampire

Sony is the only company who encourages these types of games. And yes, they did develop LBP. Sony has an extensive first party.

no, sony didnt develop LBP. if you read MM's history, they had the idea and showed it to sony... then sony bought the company.

it wasnt sony's idea :roll:

it was the creative minds at MM

according to this, 3 founding members of MM came up with the idea when they were working at Lionhead studios

Sony owned MM when it was developed, therefore sony developed LBP. It doesn't matter if the idea was there before sony bought the company, because it wasn't a project in motion until it was a sony project with sony funding.

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Nintendo and Sega seemed to keep gaming alive before Sony, and Atari and Mattel seemed to do it for a bit before them, so I think gaming would survive with or without Sony. I prefer competition, and I like Sony, but it would not be the end of gaming if they dropped out.InfinityMugen

It's not so much that they moved away from sony as games are just interspersed between 360 and PS3. There's no clear PS2 gen, because Microsoft attacked the majority this gen, unlike it's niche position last gen.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Sony is the only company who encourages these types of games. And yes, they did develop LBP. Sony has an extensive first party.

hakanakumono

no, sony didnt develop LBP. if you read MM's history, they had the idea and showed it to sony... then sony bought the company.

it wasnt sony's idea :roll:

it was the creative minds at MM

according to this, 3 founding members of MM came up with the idea when they were working at Lionhead studios

Sony owned MM when it was developed, therefore sony developed LBP. It doesn't matter if the idea was there before sony bought the company, because it wasn't a project in motion until it was a sony project with sony funding.

MM had the idea and the blueprints and even showed a demo of LBP to sony...

LBP was in development BEFORE sony bought it... sony funded the development, but its developed by MM... not sony studios

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

no, sony didnt develop LBP. if you read MM's history, they had the idea and showed it to sony... then sony bought the company.

it wasnt sony's idea :roll:

it was the creative minds at MM

according to this, 3 founding members of MM came up with the idea when they were working at Lionhead studios

ogvampire

Sony owned MM when it was developed, therefore sony developed LBP. It doesn't matter if the idea was there before sony bought the company, because it wasn't a project in motion until it was a sony project with sony funding.

MM had the idea and the blueprints and even showed a demo of LBP to sony...

LBP was in development BEFORE sony bought it... sony funded the development, but its developed by MM... not sony studios

It already being developed to the point where a demo was released is a completely different, story I take it back.

But it is good that Sony funds these kinds of projects. Sony always seems to be more interested in the artistc and creative side of gaming, which is what I like about them.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Sony owned MM when it was developed, therefore sony developed LBP. It doesn't matter if the idea was there before sony bought the company, because it wasn't a project in motion until it was a sony project with sony funding.

hakanakumono

MM had the idea and the blueprints and even showed a demo of LBP to sony...

LBP was in development BEFORE sony bought it... sony funded the development, but its developed by MM... not sony studios

It already being developed to the point where a demo was released is a completely different, story I take it back.

But it is good that Sony funds these kinds of projects. Sony always seems to be more interested in the artistc and creative side of gaming, which is what I like about them.

true, they have the backing to fund projects like that, but them themselves arent the ones to credit for pushing gaming forward....its those creative indie devs

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

no, sony didnt develop LBP. if you read MM's history, they had the idea and showed it to sony... then sony bought the company.

it wasnt sony's idea :roll:

it was the creative minds at MM

according to this, 3 founding members of MM came up with the idea when they were working at Lionhead studios

LosDaddie

You're just going to have to accept the fact that not everyone puts Sony on pedestal like you do. :)

I'm not i just like top quality hardware with progressive software that sets it apart. i'm not bashing anyone else's products i've just been acustomed to good quality. the snes got interested in gaming the playstation made me a gamer

Zaibach

I believe Sony is the only company suitable to dominate the market, with a fair marketshare in the hands of good competition of course, gaming as we know it was shaped by the Ps1 and Ps2, both platforms that were cheap at launch and had lots of games and third party support, variety peaked with the Ps2, the system has a game or many games for everyone it wasn't overflowing with first person shooter and with sony leading any developer was able to make any kind of games no matter what genre they wanted to sell It'd have room and opportunity in the Playstation two, now with nintendo and microsoft leading everything good gaming had went down the toilet, anything not aimed for family or inexperienced video game players doesn't sell well, games like Mad world are a fine example of that, I heard it sold around 77K in the united states while games like wii fit, easily broke the million mark, people paying to play online with their xbox and downloading maps and stuff that should be either free or available on the retail copy from day one is a practice even some of sony's devs are imitating nowadays sadly, I remember the good days when everything could be found on a reasonably priced and friendly playstation, now I feel that people walk into stores thinking that there's just as much to get from a nintendo wii, and then a few months after they realized the truth nobody told them, there's actually not that much on it.

The day sony made the mistake of over featuring the Ps3 and began to weaken gaming did along with them, maybe one day things will go back to normal and sony with a Ps4 or a Ps5 will take over the reigns of the industry to put back the right way like they did with the original PlayStation? Maybe my kids will play something worthy and stimulating instead of pointlessly jumping around the living room with a controller.

TheOldOlder

*shakes head* no just no...

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"]

I believe Sony is the only company suitable to dominate the market, with a fair marketshare in the hands of good competition of course, gaming as we know it was shaped by the Ps1 and Ps2, both platforms that were cheap at launch and had lots of games and third party support, variety peaked with the Ps2, the system has a game or many games for everyone it wasn't overflowing with first person shooter and with sony leading any developer was able to make any kind of games no matter what genre they wanted to sell It'd have room and opportunity in the Playstation two, now with nintendo and microsoft leading everything good gaming had went down the toilet, anything not aimed for family or inexperienced video game players doesn't sell well, games like Mad world are a fine example of that, I heard it sold around 77K in the united states while games like wii fit, easily broke the million mark, people paying to play online with their xbox and downloading maps and stuff that should be either free or available on the retail copy from day one is a practice even some of sony's devs are imitating nowadays sadly, I remember the good days when everything could be found on a reasonably priced and friendly playstation, now I feel that people walk into stores thinking that there's just as much to get from a nintendo wii, and then a few months after they realized the truth nobody told them, there's actually not that much on it.

The day sony made the mistake of over featuring the Ps3 and began to weaken gaming did along with them, maybe one day things will go back to normal and sony with a Ps4 or a Ps5 will take over the reigns of the industry to put back the right way like they did with the original PlayStation? Maybe my kids will play something worthy and stimulating instead of pointlessly jumping around the living room with a controller.

themyth01

*shakes head* no just no...

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"]

I believe Sony is the only company suitable to dominate the market, with a fair marketshare in the hands of good competition of course, gaming as we know it was shaped by the Ps1 and Ps2, both platforms that were cheap at launch and had lots of games and third party support, variety peaked with the Ps2, the system has a game or many games for everyone it wasn't overflowing with first person shooter and with sony leading any developer was able to make any kind of games no matter what genre they wanted to sell It'd have room and opportunity in the Playstation two, now with nintendo and microsoft leading everything good gaming had went down the toilet, anything not aimed for family or inexperienced video game players doesn't sell well, games like Mad world are a fine example of that, I heard it sold around 77K in the united states while games like wii fit, easily broke the million mark, people paying to play online with their xbox and downloading maps and stuff that should be either free or available on the retail copy from day one is a practice even some of sony's devs are imitating nowadays sadly, I remember the good days when everything could be found on a reasonably priced and friendly playstation, now I feel that people walk into stores thinking that there's just as much to get from a nintendo wii, and then a few months after they realized the truth nobody told them, there's actually not that much on it.

The day sony made the mistake of over featuring the Ps3 and began to weaken gaming did along with them, maybe one day things will go back to normal and sony with a Ps4 or a Ps5 will take over the reigns of the industry to put back the right way like they did with the original PlayStation? Maybe my kids will play something worthy and stimulating instead of pointlessly jumping around the living room with a controller.

TheOldOlder

*shakes head* no just no...

Just look at the ps2, a $15 hardware being sold for a rediculous $100 price tag, Sony should stay in third place or even second but not first. They're still arrogant as it is.

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

*shakes head* no just no...

themyth01

Just look at the ps2, a $15 hardware being sold for a rediculous $100 price tag, Sony should stay in third place or even second but not first. They're still arrogant as it is.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"] this gen is only one of many, a cheap Ps4 will demolish the next Xbox and whatever nintendo comes up with, and once again wi'll have a nice amount of rpgs and platformers to choose from every yearTheOldOlder

Just look at the ps2, a $15 hardware being sold for a rediculous $100 price tag, Sony should stay in third place or even second but not first. They're still arrogant as it is.

Exactly, and what place are they in.

Gaming was fine before sony joined and it will be fine after sony leaves.

RyanShazam

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

MM had the idea and the blueprints and even showed a demo of LBP to sony...

LBP was in development BEFORE sony bought it... sony funded the development, but its developed by MM... not sony studios

ogvampire

It already being developed to the point where a demo was released is a completely different, story I take it back.

But it is good that Sony funds these kinds of projects. Sony always seems to be more interested in the artistc and creative side of gaming, which is what I like about them.

true, they have the backing to fund projects like that, but them themselves arent the ones to credit for pushing gaming forward....its those creative indie devs

No, They're pushing gaming forward by encouraging and funding progressive movements that don't have the same resources that sony does at hand.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Gaming was fine before sony joined and it will be fine after sony leaves.

djsifer01

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Gaming was fine before sony joined and it will be fine after sony leaves.

lawlessx

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It already being developed to the point where a demo was released is a completely different, story I take it back.

But it is good that Sony funds these kinds of projects. Sony always seems to be more interested in the artistc and creative side of gaming, which is what I like about them.

hakanakumono

true, they have the backing to fund projects like that, but them themselves arent the ones to credit for pushing gaming forward....its those creative indie devs

No, They're pushing gaming forward by encouraging and funding progressive movements that don't have the same resources that sony does at hand.

in other words: funding projects and ideas that they didnt come up with....

which is what i've been saying

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

true, they have the backing to fund projects like that, but them themselves arent the ones to credit for pushing gaming forward....its those creative indie devs

ogvampire

No, They're pushing gaming forward by encouraging and funding progressive movements that don't have the same resources that sony does at hand.

in other words: funding projects and ideas that they didnt come up with....

which is what i've been saying

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]I'm not i just like top quality hardware with progressive software that sets it apart. i'm not bashing anyone else's products i've just been acustomed to good quality. the snes got interested in gaming the playstation made me a gamer

TheOldOlder

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No, They're pushing gaming forward by encouraging and funding progressive movements that don't have the same resources that sony does at hand.

colosion

in other words: funding projects and ideas that they didnt come up with....

which is what i've been saying

with that logic, we might as well credit banks and lending institutions for giving loans to indie devs

are they not 'funding progressive movements' just like sony?

[QUOTE="colosion"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

in other words: funding projects and ideas that they didnt come up with....

which is what i've been saying

ogvampire

with that logic, we might as well credit banks and lending institutions for giving loans to indie devs

are they not 'funding progressive movements' just like sony?

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

This is pretty much what it boils down to.

colosion

QFT.

Gaming would not miss a beat if Sony left the industry.

Yes, I'm serious. The gaming industry would be just fine if Sony left. I own a PS3 and it's mainly a blu-ray player for me. :)

Developers would just get re-hired by another company and gaming would continue as normal.

I believe Sony is the only company suitable to dominate the market, with a fair marketshare in the hands of good competition of course, gaming as we know it was shaped by the Ps1 and Ps2

TheOldOlder

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"]

I believe Sony is the only company suitable to dominate the market, with a fair marketshare in the hands of good competition of course, gaming as we know it was shaped by the Ps1 and Ps2

-GeordiLaForge-

Sony never made gaming as it should be. They certainly contributed to it, but they had their fair share of flaws as well. Face it, no company "perfected" gaming alone.

pp222

how come we're full of shovelware ang trash like never before the first gen sony slumps from their dominant position? the TheOldOlder

That's just your opinion, and one that I do not share

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="colosion"] Well, then we shall credit them. Without that money, indie devs would have their lifes complicated. colosion

with that logic, we might as well credit banks and lending institutions for giving loans to indie devs

are they not 'funding progressive movements' just like sony?

um... they take a cut of the profits AND they own the ip for future royalties...

sony is in it to make money and to push their business forward, not gaming. just like MS and Nintendo...

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"] how come we're full of shovelware ang trash like never before the first gen sony slumps from their dominant position? the LosDaddie

That's just your opinion, and one that I do not share

If Sony's Playstation 3 is "gaming as it's supposed to be" then I don't want to be a gamer anymore. A massively overpriced system designed to push a movie format into my home, and constantly pitched with a holier-than-thou attitude has no place in my vision for a better gaming landscape. - Gaming as a whole will learn from Sony's market failure. A decade from now, no one is going to look back and go "poor Sony". The Wii is annoying, but it's not the future. The Playstation line isn't the future either.subrosian

Sony themselves should have learned this very lesson from mistakes of the past. 3DO, NeoGeo, and Jaguar tried to market expensive consoles on the promise of "gaming power like never before". And look how those turned out.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="TheOldOlder"] how come we're full of shovelware ang trash like never before the first gen sony slumps from their dominant position? the TheOldOlder

That's just your opinion, and one that I do not share

sony's ps1 and ps2 had more shovelware than any other system before... the Wii has taken the throne in that regard, but the point is that stuff like this was ushered in by sony

No, your just a Sony fanboy whos upset they arent winning in either games or sales. The xbox gots slapped around by the PS2 but now that the 360 has matched the PS3, even beating it in alot of areas, its hurting your feelings. Microsoft have shown this gen that they can lead the gaming industry just as well/better than Sony.

No, your just a Sony fanboy whos upset they arent winning in either games or sales. The xbox gots slapped around by the PS2 but now that the 360 has matched the PS3, even beating it in alot of areas, its hurting your feelings. Microsoft have shown this gen that they can lead the gaming industry just as well/better than Sony.

shutdown_202

No, your just a Sony fanboy whos upset they arent winning in either games or sales. The xbox gots slapped around by the PS2 but now that the 360 has matched the PS3, even beating it in alot of areas, its hurting your feelings. Microsoft have shown this gen that they can lead the gaming industry just as well/better than Sony.

shutdown_202

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="colosion"] Well, then we shall credit them. Without that money, indie devs would have their lifes complicated. colosion

with that logic, we might as well credit banks and lending institutions for giving loans to indie devs

are they not 'funding progressive movements' just like sony?

:| All that says is Sony is massively out of touch with it's audience. They want games that will attract a wide range of people, not niche titles that'll only get the attention of small amount of people.

[QUOTE="54321t"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism does this link mean anything to you ppl stop it dr octagonapus bwaaaaaaaahTheOldOlder

this poster has been going in just about every thread saying the same thing.... he must be bored

one thing is for sure this gen suks compared to previous gen.PSP107