Dude, I think it totally matters. It makes sense for certain franchises (like sports) to be multiplat, but if everything went that way the industry would go to crap.
Yeah of course it matters. Once you get the system you want the other systems on the market aren't worth buying until they get an exclusive you just gotta have. Its real important for PS3 considering its the most expensive.
Hrm. Well...in terms of this generation, the big power house HD games are going to PS3 and 360 only. Wii is going to get left behind. So with the exclusives to go to which console, PS3 or 360, it is a big must. If one game plays better on the other system, which one are you going to go for? The obvious better verion. But it doesn't really go further into detail by what Phil meant. So it's a toss up IMO.
Yeah of course it matters. Once you get the system you want the other systems on the market aren't worth buying until they get an exclusive you just gotta have. Its real important for PS3 considering its the most expensive.JiveT
I agree. The exclusives are the only thing that make people even consider buying a $600 console. It's going to be a painful gen for cows.
Doesn't matter?? what the, thats all that matters.... if all games came out for all consoles there would be no idea in owning a console instead of another...
As the President of SCE Worldwide, the main developer of Playstation 3 exclusives, I'm quite sure Phil cares about them and knows their importance. fuzzysquash
When it comes to consoles exclusive titles is EXTREMELY important. The history of game console tells us that software is what's most important in gaming industry, and having software that other system doesn't provide is huge reason why gamers choose particular system over other systems. If system power was deciding factor, PS1 and PS2 wouldn't have had such huge success.
I'm pretty sure he made such statement because PS3 as of now lacks exclusive titles announced. If they have secured more exclusive titles, then they would make much different statement.
[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]As the President of SCE Worldwide, the main developer of Playstation 3 exclusives, I'm quite sure Phil cares about them and knows their importance. cakeorrdeath
Then why does he say otherwise?
cakeorrdeath, dont take execs 'words' seriously, they always lie. nintendo once said 'online play is irrelevant' but look at them now, they are striving for it. Sony also said 'achievements aint that really important', but look at what they are doing now, Hall of Fame.
seriously execs all say crap and lie. they say what the public wants to hear, most of the time, they are in damage control.
When it comes to consoles exclusive titles is EXTREMELY important. The history of game console tells us that software is what's most important in gaming industry, and having software that other system doesn't provide is huge reason why gamers choose particular system over other systems. If system power was deciding factor, PS1 and PS2 wouldn't have had such huge success.
I'm pretty sure he made such statement because PS3 as of now lacks exclusive titles announced. If they have secured more exclusive titles, then they would make much different statement. TriangleHard
agreed. people should not expect them to admit the truth.
e.g. if their sales are poor, do you expect him to say 'our sales are crap'? he obviously going to say otherwise. trust me, he knows the importance.
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]As the President of SCE Worldwide, the main developer of Playstation 3 exclusives, I'm quite sure Phil cares about them and knows their importance. xxThyLordxx
Then why does he say otherwise?
cakeorrdeath, dont take execs 'words' seriously, they always lie. nintendo once said 'online play is irrelevant' but look at them now, they are striving for it. Sony also said 'achievements aint that really important', but look at what they are doing now, Hall of Fame.
seriously execs all say crap and lie. they say what the public wants to hear, most of the time, they are in damage control.
Terrible example! If we can expect the same level of porgress from Sony towards exclusives as Nintendo has done towards online that is not good!
I think he is facing up to reality. It costs a mind numbing amount of money to make a AAA next-gen game, nobody can escape that. If a dev goes one console exclusive you are cutting one hell of a revenue stream off. Try explaining that to the stock holders. They are more important than fanboys and their bragging rights I think. I am amazed Gears hasnt gone multi myself.
I think he is facing up to reality. It costs a mind numbing amount of money to make a AAA next-gen game, nobody can escape that. If a dev goes one console exclusive you are cutting one hell of a revenue stream off. Try explaining that to the stock holders. They are more important than fanboys and their bragging rights I think. I am amazed Gears hasnt gone multi myself.orangeonxbox
For a developer and publisher, yes, the best idea is go multi-console, because they just want to release their game, and make money off of it... But for a console maker, its HUGELY important that they have something the others doesn't...
[QUOTE="orangeonxbox"]spoke too soon it seems; gears news... http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38078 Well.. in a way, a PC is a Microsoft console... thats why Vista has Live and has connection to the 360.... Thats why they release Halo and Gears on it... What your NOT gonna see, is GeoW going to the PS3 or Wii...
[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]As the President of SCE Worldwide, the main developer of Playstation 3 exclusives, I'm quite sure Phil cares about them and knows their importance. cakeorrdeath
Then why does he say otherwise? I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....
Just when Sony fanboys can come out of the woodwork, Sony brings out their executives such as Harrison and promptly go on to shoot themselves in the foot once more. God bless them.
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"] I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....
Well then look at their actions. What efforts have they made to secure any third party exclusives in any form? I know Kojima feels like a prisoner being forced to develop MGS4. Sony really isn't throwing them any bones either.
I think it's important to maintain some major exclusives like MGSIV, FFXIII...
The only reason I'm annoyed that GTAIV has gone mutiplat is because I would have much preferred R* to solely focus on the PS3 version and maximise the potential of the hardware and Blu-ray.
Harrison does have a point though. I mean, GC had plenty of exclusives last gen but the 3rd party support was practically non existant and that's why it failed.
PS2/Xbox had plenty of 3rd party support and both had their fair share of exclusives which is why they were both successful.
I think the PS3 line-up is great and it does have enough exclusives and just a great load of games overall (exclusive or not) to keep me satisfied when I purchase the console. I mean, the first game I'm getting for my PS3 isn't even exclusive so I can see Harrison's point.
[QUOTE="Sorlok"][QUOTE="orangeonxbox"]spoke too soon it seems; gears news... http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38078 Well.. in a way, a PC is a Microsoft console... thats why Vista has Live and has connection to the 360.... Thats why they release Halo and Gears on it... What your NOT gonna see, is GeoW going to the PS3 or Wii...
that is totally wrong. in no way it is a microsoft console.
I think it's important to maintain some major exclusives like MGSIV, FFXIII...
The only reason I'm annoyed that GTAIV has gone mutiplat is because I would have much preferred R* to solely focus on the PS3 version and maximise the potential of the hardware and Blu-ray.
Harrison does have a point though. I mean, GC had plenty of exclusives last gen but the 3rd party support was practically non existant and that's why it failed.
PS2/Xbox had plenty of 3rd party support and both had their fair share of exclusives which is why they were both successful.
I think the PS3 line-up is great and it does have enough exclusives and just a great load of games overall (exclusive or not) to keep me satisfied when I purchase the console. I mean, the first game I'm getting for my PS3 isn't even exclusive so I can see Harrison's point. the-very-best
GameCube had very little 3rd party exclusives. All system will have fairly good number of first party exclusives so Zelda and Mario won't be huge difference maker in system war. It is good enough to allow Nintendo to survive, but they won't top other systems alone. PS2 completely dominated when it came to 3rd party exclusives, which is why it remained very dominant. Whether the game is good or not, having exclusives is good.
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"] I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....
Well then look at their actions. What efforts have they made to secure any third party exclusives in any form? Sony competed with other publishers for Heavenly Sword, and got it. They bought Zipper and Guerilla Games. They maintain steadfast relationships with Kojima Productions, Level 5 and Square Enix for MGS4, White Knight and Fabula Nova Crystallis. They're developing next-gen sequels like Ratchet, God of War, Getaway, as well as new franchises like Resistance, Uncharted, and Eight Days. They got Oblivion, GRAW2, Saint's Row, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma--franchises which were either exclusive to 360 or were key franchises MS flaunted. Sony is a competitor in this oligopolistic market, and it feels just as strong of an incentive as any other competitor to retain exclusives to push hardware sales.
[QUOTE="Sorlok"][QUOTE="orangeonxbox"]spoke too soon it seems; gears news... http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38078xxThyLordxx
Well.. in a way, a PC is a Microsoft console... thats why Vista has Live and has connection to the 360.... Thats why they release Halo and Gears on it... What your NOT gonna see, is GeoW going to the PS3 or Wii...
that is totally wrong. in no way it is a microsoft console. Ofcause its not a Microsoft console in the litteral sense... But, Sony and Nintendo are not creating games for the PC market, and the PC-gaming are in 3-ways, PC's with Windows, PC's with Linux/Unix-based OS, and Mac's (also Unix based :P but no matter). And the main PC-Gaming (i'd say 95% of if it, but i have no proof of that, thats just what i'd estimate) is on Windows OS computers... Now, that doesn't mean that Microsoft has them locked so Nintendo and Sony can't make games for them, but they just won't... Microsoft is the only console maker, that does make games for a PC, (not to mention create the OS!). And now with Vista, the PC is litterally connected to the 360, and the Xbox Live system, making the PC an extension to the 360. In that sense, the PC is a Microsoft console.
[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"] I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....
Well then look at their actions. What efforts have they made to secure any third party exclusives in any form? Sony competed with other publishers for Heavenly Sword, and got it. They bought Zipper and Guerilla Games. They maintain steadfast relationships with Kojima Productions, Level 5 and Square Enix for MGS4, White Knight and Fabula Nova Crystallis. They're developing next-gen sequels like Ratchet, God of War, Getaway, as well as new franchises like Resistance, Uncharted, and Eight Days. They got Oblivion, GRAW2, Saint's Row, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma--franchises which were either exclusive to 360 or were key franchises MS flaunted. Sony is a competitor in this oligopolistic market, and it feels just as strong of an incentive as any other competitor to retain exclusives to push hardware sales.
Excellent responce. I am still not convinced it holds the same prioritie it did during the PS2 era.
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"] I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....
Well then look at their actions. What efforts have they made to secure any third party exclusives in any form? Sony competed with other publishers for Heavenly Sword, and got it. They bought Zipper and Guerilla Games. They maintain steadfast relationships with Kojima Productions, Level 5 and Square Enix for MGS4, White Knight and Fabula Nova Crystallis. They're developing next-gen sequels like Ratchet, God of War, Getaway, as well as new franchises like Resistance, Uncharted, and Eight Days. They got Oblivion, GRAW2, Saint's Row, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma--franchises which were either exclusive to 360 or were key franchises MS flaunted. Sony is a competitor in this oligopolistic market, and it feels just as strong of an incentive as any other competitor to retain exclusives to push hardware sales.
Excellent responce. I am still not convinced it holds the same prioritie it did during the PS2 era.
GTAIV not being a timed exclusive is the only major change that's happened this gen. If it were exclusive to the 360 then Sony would be in alot of trouble but the fact that's its not and the fact that GTA has never been exclusive kind of takes away from the effect of this loss.
We'll see what happens but both MS/Sony are working as hard as they did last gen imo. I think Sony is smarter though and I think brand power is stronger than what you think it is, which is why I see PS3 winning the console war.
This article gives more insight to what Phil was saying in concerns with third party exclusives. Almost mentioning about GTA4 not being exclusive. But in short, he goes on to say that the PS3 install base isn't enough to hold an exclusive title until there is a bigger user base. In every way he is right.
Which draws some questions. DMC4. Multiplat if released this year? Bigger named games delayed till next year, aka MGS4 to wait on a bigger userbase of the PS3?
And aren't you supposed to be at work? :P the-very-best
My job is easy. There are three of us doing the same job. I am the only one who can touch type. Needless to say the end result is a lot of free time at work.
[QUOTE="the-very-best"] And aren't you supposed to be at work? :P cakeorrdeath
My job is easy. There are three of us doing the same job. I am the only one who can touch type. Needless to say the end result is a lot of free time at work. Hihihi, i'm also doing a job where there isn't alot to do ^^... getting paid to disguss gaming ^^
[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]As the President of SCE Worldwide, the main developer of Playstation 3 exclusives, I'm quite sure Phil cares about them and knows their importance. cakeorrdeath
Then why does he say otherwise?
in a good light, hes saying 'we think our product will move itself without exclusives' in a bad light, hes saying 'im dodging an important issue by telling a pretty obvious lie, and telling everyone we no longer have the resources to secure many exclusives because of our extremely shoddy early run with our product'
Hrm. Well...in terms of this generation, the big power house HD games are going to PS3 and 360 only. Wii is going to get left behind. So with the exclusives to go to which console, PS3 or 360, it is a big must. If one game plays better on the other system, which one are you going to go for? The obvious better verion. But it doesn't really go further into detail by what Phil meant. So it's a toss up IMO.chrismunx
...you're actually going to go for the cheaper system. the differences between 360 & ps3 are so small you are basically fetishising gaem visuals to see what is better & your average consumner is NOT going to spend $600 to play content they can get for $300 or $400.
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"] I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....fuzzysquash
Well then look at their actions. What efforts have they made to secure any third party exclusives in any form? Sony competed with other publishers for Heavenly Sword, and got it. They bought Zipper and Guerilla Games. They maintain steadfast relationships with Kojima Productions, Level 5 and Square Enix for MGS4, White Knight and Fabula Nova Crystallis. They're developing next-gen sequels like Ratchet, God of War, Getaway, as well as new franchises like Resistance, Uncharted, and Eight Days. They got Oblivion, GRAW2, Saint's Row, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma--franchises which were either exclusive to 360 or were key franchises MS flaunted. Sony is a competitor in this oligopolistic market, and it feels just as strong of an incentive as any other competitor to retain exclusives to push hardware sales. Along with the exclusives you mentioned, Sony has lost some a decent amount of exclusives. Plain and simple if Sony can't get out of the gate, then publishers will stay away from Sony, because of the high production values of next-gen titles.
Harrison says exclusives are not a priority for the PS3.
Fom Kotaku's live Blog of the SCEA blog congress;
He also says he doesn't think that exclusives are as important.
"I' m not sure that's as big a deal as everyone points out," he said.
What do people think about this? Is he right? Does it matter whether or not games are exclusives as long as there are games? cakeorrdeath
Is it just me or does everything PS3 doesn't have not important? Can't they just "yeah this is important and we are really trying to improve here" instead of "rumble? nah thats last-gen! exclusives? not that important."
Harrison says exclusives are not a priority for the PS3.
Fom Kotaku's live Blog of the SCEA blog congress;
He also says he doesn't think that exclusives are as important.
"I' m not sure that's as big a deal as everyone points out," he said.
What do people think about this? Is he right? Does it matter whether or not games are exclusives as long as there are games? cakeorrdeath
I am not buying a PS3 because of that, he must change his mind about exclusives really, especially when h speaks of a year delayed machine that costs 2x xbox360
Well let's see here...if exclusives don't matter...let's just assume that every game comes out on both PS3 and 360....tell me, why would I get a PS3 at $200 more than a 360? That's just an ignorant statement for him to make, one that just shows that he wants you to buy Sony's product just because it has "SONY" written on it.
Hrm. Well...in terms of this generation, the big power house HD games are going to PS3 and 360 only. Wii is going to get left behind. So with the exclusives to go to which console, PS3 or 360, it is a big must. If one game plays better on the other system, which one are you going to go for? The obvious better verion. But it doesn't really go further into detail by what Phil meant. So it's a toss up IMO.chrismunx
You've got to learn to start putting the 360 first in your sentences. You also ought to separate it from the term PS3 with a few words in between. That way you'll look less delusional and it won't seem as though you want the 360's prowess to rub off on the lacklusdtre PS3. Harrison (whoever he is) is engaged in a different type of damage control to yours, but both are risible imo.
He's right..why start spending mega bucks on a franchise they may fall through the cracks..Sony looks to be going the NES route to working on first party games and thats not a bad thing at all, the only difference is the 3rd party support....no offence to 360 owners but there is more to gaming than 1,2,3 person shooters and one or two action games...360 has potential and a really great game with Gears but as Sony dropped the hammer with Home and the LBW game and showed that they are going to take care of home and also shupply us with 3rd party games, the thing is people say Sony rely's on sequals but yet Microsoft gets a franchise and that concept is gold? Either way Sony is doing what the tortoise did start out slow and be there at the end
[QUOTE="Boba_Fett_3710"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"] I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....
Well then look at their actions. What efforts have they made to secure any third party exclusives in any form? I know Kojima feels like a prisoner being forced to develop MGS4. Sony really isn't throwing them any bones either.
considering he's going to get a pay-off for a mvie thats going to bring more than MGS4 I think thats fair..dont you?
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"] I don't know....Phil and Kaz say weird stuff sometimes....I don't take their stranger comments too seriously....
Well then look at their actions. What efforts have they made to secure any third party exclusives in any form? Sony competed with other publishers for Heavenly Sword, and got it. They bought Zipper and Guerilla Games. They maintain steadfast relationships with Kojima Productions, Level 5 and Square Enix for MGS4, White Knight and Fabula Nova Crystallis. They're developing next-gen sequels like Ratchet, God of War, Getaway, as well as new franchises like Resistance, Uncharted, and Eight Days. They got Oblivion, GRAW2, Saint's Row, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma--franchises which were either exclusive to 360 or were key franchises MS flaunted. Sony is a competitor in this oligopolistic market, and it feels just as strong of an incentive as any other competitor to retain exclusives to push hardware sales.
Excellent responce. I am still not convinced it holds the same prioritie it did during the PS2 era.
It is really funny how 100 people can read the same exact article and then have 100 different views about what he was saying, especially if you don't like Sony!
3rd party exclusive aren't what they used to be because of how much Developers have to spend on making a game, if they speard it out over a few consoles they make there money back and then some.............First and Second party games will be that much more important this gen!!!!!!
Come on people please tell you guys have more sense than that!!!
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