Has a below average game ever had a sequel that was hyped this much ??? (+rant)

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#1 MIYAMOTOnext007
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:? I don't think so. Killzone 2 shouldn't be the most hyped game. Killzone and Guerilla have not yet proven themselves in FPSs. This is just plain stupid. I mean wth???!!!?? It looks like it has good graphics and animations. We don't know much about the gameplay, but hey its the sequel to the outstanding killzone I'm sure it's gameplay will be top notch :roll:. This is like hyping "XII" 2 more than any other proven game just because it has good graphics and animations. :| I hate that there is another thread about Killzone, but I really felt like letting out my thoughts. Oh and I'm a Hermit but I seriously think it is the most idiotic thing in gaming history that the cows say Lemmings are jealous of Killzone 2, and that they are also scared and try to avoid it. Jeez you cows latch onto the nuts of any first person shooter you exlusively get (Resistance, Killzone 2). Why don't you guys just look forward to Crysis, Halo 3, or Bioshock. We KNOW those are going to be great shooters. You guys are just evily brainwashed by Sony to become greedy and blind. Look into your selves, deep down you know Bioshock and Crysis are more worthy to follow so far than Killzone 2, why do you not admit it. You should be getting excited for those shooters not a shooter that you know nothing about that comes form a series and dev that has already failed you once before.
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#2 nyoroism
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Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.
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#3 theburg
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The dev team is much larger than it was originally, it is mostly people who didnt work on the original. The budget is much higher. The support from sony to understand the PS3 hardware is better. Your thread fails.

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#4 rey06
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i seriously dont get cows...:roll:
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#5 thirstychainsaw
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Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.nyoroism

Average is like 7.5...:|

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#6 MIYAMOTOnext007
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Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.nyoroism
Gamespot may call it that but the average game here does not get a 5.
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#7 cobrax75
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Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.nyoroism

average is 7 I think.

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#8 ParadiddleFill
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I think the argument is not the game itslef but the graphics that have people intrested in the game
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#9 Koalakommander
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it's hard not to be impressed at this point
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#10 goblaa
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Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.nyoroism

No. 7.0 and 7.5 is average. If you got a 50% on a test, you failed.

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#11 MIYAMOTOnext007
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The dev team is much larger than it was originally, it is mostly people who didnt work on the original. The budget is much higher. The support from sony to understand the PS3 hardware is better. Your thread fails.

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Crytek has a much larger dev team for Crysis and some cows say it is just Far Cry with a little better graphics and that it should not be hyped. :? Also Far Cry was much better then Killzone in the first place.
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It's cows, Sony fans hype everything like it'll be good, the reason why there has been so many cow ownage in SW is because cows hype anything on the PS3, Motorstorm was hyped to no end, Resistance was as well, even Genji and Untold Legends were hyped, it's to be expected, it'll be fun to be here for their game releases, some of which I don't really expect much from.
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Well its a WAY higher Budget which is around 20 million dollars or euros not sure, also its guerilla but almost a completely diffrent team, Anyways why cant we hype this but we can hype crysis, bioshock and halo 3? Also killzone 2 owned graphics wise and animation wiseand its far from its release which is around 6-8 months comapred to halo which is 2 months away and bioshock is like 3, Crysis is a whole diff story th, becuase we all know graphically it will own but i still arent interested on it, the story doesent pull me in like bioshock or kz 2, all in all i think killzone 2 deserves the hype and it will probably live up to it aswell IMO mine!!!
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#14 nyoroism
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[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.goblaa

No. 7.0 and 7.5 is average. If you got a 50% on a test, you failed.

Sorry, I didn't know GameSpot had different standards for this. A lot of other gaming review sites have 5.0 as the average. Seeing as it's the exact middle point and all. Nothing particularly bad, nothing particularly good.
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[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.goblaa

No. 7.0 and 7.5 is average. If you got a 50% on a test, you failed.

So confusing..

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#16 thirstychainsaw
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.nyoroism

No. 7.0 and 7.5 is average. If you got a 50% on a test, you failed.

Sorry, I didn't know GameSpot had different standards for this. A lot of other gaming review sites have 5.0 as the average. Seeing as it's the exact middle point and all. Nothing particularly bad, nothing particularly good.

No, anything below a 6 is pretty much a horrible game.

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#17 nyoroism
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[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.thirstychainsaw

No. 7.0 and 7.5 is average. If you got a 50% on a test, you failed.

Sorry, I didn't know GameSpot had different standards for this. A lot of other gaming review sites have 5.0 as the average. Seeing as it's the exact middle point and all. Nothing particularly bad, nothing particularly good.

No, anything below a 6 is pretty much a horrible game.

Well the important thing to meis that I don't think that way. 5.0 will always be average to me.
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Well its a WAY higher Budget which is around 20 million dollars or euros not sure, also its guerilla but almost a completely diffrent team, Anyways why cant we hype this but we can hype crysis, bioshock and halo 3? Also killzone 2 owned graphics wise and animation wiseand its far from its release which is around 6-8 months comapred to halo which is 2 months away and bioshock is like 3, Crysis is a whole diff story th, becuase we all know graphically it will own but i still arent interested on it, the story doesent pull me in like bioshock or kz 2, all in all i think killzone 2 deserves the hype and it will probably live up to it aswell IMO mine!!!Blanco98
You are honestly more hyped for KZ2 than Crysis!!!!!!????!!?!?!? Why!!!!!!!?!?!? Seriously why!!!!!!!!?????! We have seen a liitle KZ2 video. Crysis has everything!
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It's cows, Sony fans hype everything like it'll be good, the reason why there has been so many cow ownage in SW is because cows hype anything on the PS3, Motorstorm was hyped to no end, Resistance was as well, even Genji and Untold Legends were hyped, it's to be expected, it'll be fun to be here for their game releases, some of which I don't really expect much from. themyth01

have they been wrong? Resistance was good. Motorstorm was good. Ninja Gaiden Sigma was good.

You act like they hype Genji and Gundam. Right now they are hyping KZ2, Lair, Heavenly Sword, FF13, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Haze, UT3, and Assassin's Creed.

If you don't think those games deserved to be hype then you are one sad lemming.

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#20 Hidden-kazama
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Just because something was bad in the past doesn't mean it will automatically be horrible (Sure it doesn't mean it will be good). That is a Chanticleer Fallacy. I am not blown away by Killzone 2 trailer, but i see the that it can be very good, as long as they work out the problems they had with killzone 1.

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[QUOTE="themyth01"]It's cows, Sony fans hype everything like it'll be good, the reason why there has been so many cow ownage in SW is because cows hype anything on the PS3, Motorstorm was hyped to no end, Resistance was as well, even Genji and Untold Legends were hyped, it's to be expected, it'll be fun to be here for their game releases, some of which I don't really expect much from. Koalakommander

have they been wrong? Resistance was good. Motorstorm was good. Ninja Gaiden Sigma was good.

You act like they hype Genji and Gundam. Right now they are hyping KZ2, Lair, Heavenly Sword, FF13, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Haze, UT3, and Assassin's Creed.

If you don't think those games deserved to be hype then you are one sad lemming.

Yeh but they hype most of them to be like the best game ever in its genre. Resistance and Motorstorm were both FAR from that. They hyped those AAA they were thinking theyd be more than just good.
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#22 Eltroz
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Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.
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#23 MIYAMOTOnext007
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Just because something was bad in the past doesn't mean it will automatically be horrible (Sure it doesn't mean it will be good). That is a Chanticleer Fallacy. I am not blown away by Killzone 2 trailer, but i see the that it can be very good, as long as they work out the problems they had with killzone 1.

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I know, I am not saying it doesn't have a chance to be good I'm just saying Cows shouldn't be saying its gods son in video game form when it hasn't proven it self yet.
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Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.Eltroz

lemmings do the same thing.

no one is excited for kz2 after the trailer? wow...

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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.Koalakommander

lemmings do the same thing.

no one is excited for kz2 after the trailer? wow...

I said all the consoles have people that do that but cows are far the worst.
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.Koalakommander

lemmings do the same thing.

no one is excited for kz2 after the trailer? wow...

The cows are definetly excited after the trailer. Heck, I am to, but I just don't think it deserves to be the most hyped game EVER when we still don't REALLY know if it will be good.
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#27 theburg
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Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.Eltroz

Yeah, which is why the official hype thread for LAIR, one of the best looking games upcoming, was only AA :roll:

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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.theburg

Yeah, which is why the official hype thread for LAIR, one of the best looking games upcoming, was only AA :roll:

:lol:Cows can't catch enough breath in between yelling about Killzone to hype Lair.
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.theburg

Yeah, which is why the official hype thread for LAIR, one of the best looking games upcoming, was only AA :roll:

So hermits,lemmings,and sheep are not able to post in that thread also? That will effect the score also
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#30 Hidden-kazama
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I understand what you are staying, but in all fairness the only games that have proven themselves are the games that have already came out. I mean look at Halo 3, Halo 1 & 2 are considered to be some of the best experience gaming has to offer, but that doesn't mean Halo 3 will be like that. Halo 3 could very well end up sucking, but all wereally have that we can judge the game off of is the beta, and what others tell us. Hell, it evenworks for Brawl too,since we can't make a judgement until it is release, unfortunately, even then we can't say a game has proven itself, since it is all opinion based. I mean to me Shadowrun is an amazing game, it easilyis funner that Gears of War, but to other the opposite holds true.
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#31 xbox360isgr8t
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6.9 lol thats funny
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Liberation was very good.
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.theburg

Yeah, which is why the official hype thread for LAIR, one of the best looking games upcoming, was only AA :roll:

Maybe thats because the majority of people here aren't Sony fanboys, so they're hyping the game more reasonably.
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#34 MIYAMOTOnext007
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6.9 lol thats funnyxbox360isgr8t
:lol: At least something good came out of the original killzone:lol:
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#35 darkodonnie
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It's not very surprising that it is being hyped so much. The first one had a lot of potential to be great, so cows will hope that this one lives up to that potential, and at least graphically the game looks great.
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#36 -Karmum-
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i seriously dont get cows...:roll:rey06

It's this hyped because of the damn E3 05 trailer...hyped by Sony fans anyhow. And once the E3 07 trailer rolled along...it picked up even more, because it is drastically similar to the CGI trailer.

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Well its a WAY higher Budget which is around 20 million dollars or euros not sure, also its guerilla but almost a completely diffrent team, Anyways why cant we hype this but we can hype crysis, bioshock and halo 3? Also killzone 2 owned graphics wise and animation wiseand its far from its release which is around 6-8 months comapred to halo which is 2 months away and bioshock is like 3, Crysis is a whole diff story th, becuase we all know graphically it will own but i still arent interested on it, the story doesent pull me in like bioshock or kz 2, all in all i think killzone 2 deserves the hype and it will probably live up to it aswell IMO mine!!!Blanco98

The story of Killzone 2 so far (as I understand it) is "now its 2 years after Killzone and the good guys are going to the badguys planet to kidnap their emperor"...or something. Don't get me wrong, Killzone 2 might have a great story, but we sure as hell haven't seen enough of it to be 'pulled in' yet...unless your a Killzone 1 fan?

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#38 MIYAMOTOnext007
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[QUOTE="rey06"]i seriously dont get cows...:roll:-Karmum-

It's this hyped because of the damn E3 05 trailer...hyped by Sony fans anyhow. And once the E3 07 trailer rolled along...it picked up even more, because it is drastically similar to the CGI trailer.

??? still don't understand cows either.
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i played the original killzone. i liked the single player but the multiplayer part of it to me was lacking so much. compared to halo, killzone for ps2 multiplayer wise was awful.

Hey, maybe this is getting hyped but thats cause of its graphics. i mean look at all those movie games that are top sellers. that should be worth complaining about. not a game that had potential but didnt reach it. plus its sony, first party is not letting go of a franchise casue of one average game.

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#40 Koalakommander
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[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.MIYAMOTOnext007

lemmings do the same thing.

no one is excited for kz2 after the trailer? wow...

The cows are definetly excited after the trailer. Heck, I am to, but I just don't think it deserves to be the most hyped game EVER when we still don't REALLY know if it will be good.

i agree with you that a sequel to a mediocre game shouldn't get more attention then crysis and other great games. However, the first killzone was supposed to be a Halo killer. It wasn't. and now they come back with Kz2 acting all mighty with a CGI trailer. Now everyone is waiting for real KZ2 footage so they can lay "ownage" on the game and be done with it. Turns out it looks good, and since everybody was waiting to tear it down, they witnessned its true potential.

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[QUOTE="MIYAMOTOnext007"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Cows will hype anything to no end that is exclusive. Heck cows were hyping that rubber ducky game and calling all cars. Just more proof that they only care about a game being exclusive just look how they went crazy for Haze when awhile ago it was rumored exclusive for 2 days. No one talked about that game till then. All console has people that do it but cows by far are the worst.Koalakommander

lemmings do the same thing.

no one is excited for kz2 after the trailer? wow...

The cows are definetly excited after the trailer. Heck, I am to, but I just don't think it deserves to be the most hyped game EVER when we still don't REALLY know if it will be good.

i agree with you that a sequel to a mediocre game shouldn't get more attention then crysis and other great games. However, the first killzone was supposed to be a Halo killer. It wasn't. and now they come back with Kz2 acting all mighty with a CGI trailer. Now everyone is waiting for real KZ2 footage so they can lay "ownage" on the game and be done with it. Turns out it looks good, and since everybody was waiting to tear it down, they witnessned its true potential.

Yes the fake treailer got me interested to and it should be talked about but not hyped to be one of the best shooters ever, not yet. But yeah it definetly deserves the ATTENTION, just not the HYPE.
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#42 Eltroz
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I just looked up Guerrilla also and they have not made any good games. Killzone 6.9, Shellshock: nam 67 scored 5.4. It is not like this is Bioware or Blizzard that deserve the benefit of doubt. Does that mean they can not make a great game of course not. They can still make a great game but no reason to hype a sequal to a failed game with this much hype.

Also Shellshock is the only other game I could find there may be others better or worse.

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#43 Sully28
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haha lemmings are already starting to be silenced since e3. More people are already wanting ps3. We are getting times exclusives and more content, and better first party games. I cant wait untill killzone2 is released so you lemmings eat your words even more. You guys will be back on the bottom. Nitendo may still be on top since its clearly made for casuals(judged by their e3 showing), but ps3 will be the best next gen system.

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#44 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Below average? It got a 6.9, average is 5.0.goblaa

No. 7.0 and 7.5 is average. If you got a 50% on a test, you failed.

But in baseball batting .500 is amazing :twisted:

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I just looked up Guerrilla also and they have not made any good games. Killzone 6.9, Shellshock: nam 67 scored 5.4. It is not like this is Bioware or Blizzard that deserve the benefit of doubt. Does that mean they can not make a great game of course not. They can still make a great game but no reason to hype a sequal to a failed game with this much hype.

Also Shellshock is the only other game I could find there may be others better or worse.

Eltroz
Oh god:lol: I didn't know they made that also!!! Two games that are poor by gamespot standards!!!!! And they still think this will be the greatest game of all time.
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Well its a WAY higher Budget which is around 20 million dollars or euros not sure, also its guerilla but almost a completely diffrent team, Anyways why cant we hype this but we can hype crysis, bioshock and halo 3? Also killzone 2 owned graphics wise and animation wiseand its far from its release which is around 6-8 months comapred to halo which is 2 months away and bioshock is like 3, Crysis is a whole diff story th, becuase we all know graphically it will own but i still arent interested on it, the story doesent pull me in like bioshock or kz 2, all in all i think killzone 2 deserves the hype and it will probably live up to it aswell IMO mine!!!Blanco98
Crysis, Bioshock and Halo 3 are all either sequels or spiritual successors to well liked and critically acclaimed games, Killzone 2 isn't.
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GTA 1 & 2 weren`t exactly stellar, but we all know how the sequel ended up.
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it's hard not to be impressed at this point
Koalakommander

exactly. also, why can't ppl be opened to new things? KZ2 is the new thing here, the game that can make a failure prequel become an award winning and audience claimed great game. has that happened before? even if the answer is no, does it matter? does that means it can't happen?

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I'm really not surprised that they hype killzone 2. I myself am really excited about this game, i could'nt care less about killzone 2 before the trailer but the game just looks incredible, i think the graphics look incredible but thats not what excites me the most about this game, it's the action. You all saw how many things were happening at once on screen, i'm not much of an fps player but this game has given me a another reason to buy a ps3 and for that i am glad. However i never played the first killzone and i've heard nothing but bad news about it so i'm still a little bit concerned that this game wont do so good, but i will still buy it, if the game is just like that trailer then i have a lot of faith in it.
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I just looked up Guerrilla also and they have not made any good games. Killzone 6.9, Shellshock: nam 67 scored 5.4. It is not like this is Bioware or Blizzard that deserve the benefit of doubt. Does that mean they can not make a great game of course not. They can still make a great game but no reason to hype a sequal to a failed game with this much hype.

Also Shellshock is the only other game I could find there may be others better or worse.

Eltroz

they made llzone liberation which got 8.3 and AAA at IGN.