I agree with this post. I keep seeing people say "The best games I have played are for this gen" or "games have never been better" only to see that they have no examples. Games have been declining since the PS2 was over (still going in a way). People are taking graphics for granted and Dev's are banking on it.CoreoVIIThe first intelligent post I've seen in a while. Thank you for intelligence. Nice pic by the way.
Has anyone else noticed a general decline in game quality this generation?
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[QUOTE="CoreoVII"]I agree with this post. I keep seeing people say "The best games I have played are for this gen" or "games have never been better" only to see that they have no examples. Games have been declining since the PS2 was over (still going in a way). People are taking graphics for granted and Dev's are banking on it.ThaLootDogThe first intelligent post I've seen in a while. Thank you for intelligence. Nice pic by the way.
Is it intelligent because it agrees with you?
YOU are on the right track my friend. Definitely the most uplifting post I read. If gamers of today went back and played old titles like I did, they could see what they were missing. The best games are in the past. May I recommend Psychonauts, Paper Mario 64, or Earthbound. I went back THIS YEAR, in the middle of the new gen, and enjoyed Earthbound, a game from 3 generations passed, and had more fun than anything on the 360. You all accuse me of nostalgia, then how is it that I went back to an older game I had never played and had a much better time than with any of the newer products? I suppose you will now accuse me of some deja-vu nostalgia where I have nostalgic feelings for something I never played. Good day, all these new gamers who are admitted Halo 3 and COD fanboys really need to stop talking.Ironically, this has been a case to myself. The Video Game Marketing system usually follows as a trend [not everyone playing video games... idiot]. When I got my 360 it was mainly pointed at Halo 3... Because it was the only game I really knew. Hell, if I knew about Half-Life and the rest I would have threw Halo 3 in the trash...
Eventually I bought Gears of War, hell... It was decent, but it felt like I wanted to rip myself apart from boredom... Which made me surprise hearing all my friends saying Gears of War is awesome... Maybe even Gears of War 2 being awesome. I bought it because my friends did, along with Fable II.Stating the truth, am I just an idiot following a trend? Probably. Do I know anything about the video game industry? Hell no. Do I like video gaming.. Yeah. Super Mario 64 and Kingdom Hearts was a god to me. Especially Kingdom Hearts. People like me apparently have a keyword... A lost soul. Do I want to remain a lost soul. NO! Ankleslam101
TF2, MGS4, Halo 3, Gears, Crysis, RSV, Empire TW, CoD4, Forza 2, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Stalker, Brawl, SMG, Dark Resurrection, God of War CoO, Uncharted, L4D, HL2E2, Portal, Sins of a Solar Empire, King's Bounty, Dead Rising, Castle Crashers, World in Conflict, Killzone 2, GTA 4, Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, Assassins Creed, DiRT, GRiD and PixelJunk Monsters say HELL NO!clembo1990Yeah, they are rated highly, but would HE like them, it's purely opinions when it comes to liking/disliking games.
[QUOTE="clembo1990"]TF2, MGS4, Halo 3, Gears, Crysis, RSV, Empire TW, CoD4, Forza 2, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Stalker, Brawl, SMG, Dark Resurrection, God of War CoO, Uncharted, L4D, HL2E2, Portal, Sins of a Solar Empire, King's Bounty, Dead Rising, Castle Crashers, World in Conflict, Killzone 2, GTA 4, Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, Assassins Creed, DiRT, GRiD and PixelJunk Monsters say HELL NO!mitu123Yeah, they are rated highly, but would HE like them, it's purely opinions when it comes to liking/disliking games. That's all well and good but if he doesn't like any of those games I'm inclined to slap some sense into him.
[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]TF2, MGS4, Halo 3, Gears, Crysis, RSV, Empire TW, CoD4, Forza 2, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Stalker, Brawl, SMG, Dark Resurrection, God of War CoO, Uncharted, L4D, HL2E2, Portal, Sins of a Solar Empire, King's Bounty, Dead Rising, Castle Crashers, World in Conflict, Killzone 2, GTA 4, Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, Assassins Creed, DiRT, GRiD and PixelJunk Monsters say HELL NO!clembo1990Yeah, they are rated highly, but would HE like them, it's purely opinions when it comes to liking/disliking games. That's all well and good but if he doesn't like any of those games I'm inclined to slap some sense into him. I only played a few of those games and they were all good, hopefully he reads your suggestions.
TF2, MGS4, Halo 3, Gears, Crysis, RSV, Empire TW, CoD4, Forza 2, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Stalker, Brawl, SMG, Dark Resurrection, God of War CoO, Uncharted, L4D, HL2E2, Portal, Sins of a Solar Empire, King's Bounty, Dead Rising, Castle Crashers, World in Conflict, Killzone 2, GTA 4, Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, Assassins Creed, DiRT, GRiD and PixelJunk Monsters say HELL NO!clembo1990
At of all these games the only ones I actually liked were MGS4, Crysis, Empire, Mass Effect, Stalker, Portal, Sins, Dead Space, Assassin's Creed and even those were mostly only moderately good, the rest were mostly crap, with the exception of SMG which was okay but without a doubt the first canon 3d mario that wasn't amazing. Mario in space? Come on. The only real standouts were MGS4 and Portal, maybe Dead Space. And you didn't mention Braid which empasized the fail.
Halo 3, Gears, RSV, COD4, Forza, Brawl, and Dead Rising were all crap IMO. Just shootem' ups and button mashers.
I do agree with you (I'm also 16, but not so deeply immersed on gaming at early ages). There are only like 5 games this gen that I already own (distributed among 3 systems) that I like, but only like 2 that I love.
I would say the problem is that the videogame industry turned into a mass market indutry, crushing quality with profitability.
I would even dare to say there's gonna be a 2nd industry crash by 2012, due to many videogames having a spectacular presentation with no significant substance inside. That, combined with the effect of the current economical recession & the unbalance among system capabilities.
[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Some have said as much so I won't pile on and just say: Gaming IMO this gen has been too good for this gamer to thoroughly enjoy it all.ThaLootDogYou have Halo 3 as your gamerpic, you obviously know nothing of gaming. As I said before, I HAVE enjoyed this gen, but there is a prevalent decrease in the depth of todays games. Halo 3 is about as shallow as it gets, so I assume you know nothing of what I speak.
If that's how you talk to fellow gamers your self, I doubt you know much about gamers, and hence know little about gaming. "You don't know anything about gaming, because you have a terrible taste in games." I hope you're joking, because otherwise I do not see you getting on well with others here at all. That was such an arrogant thing to say I still find it hard to believe you said it. Is it against the 'Gamer elite law' to like Halo 3 now? One of the most popular games ever made, with one of the biggest online communities ever, with some of the most competive players out there? Really? Care to give us some examples of these immensly deep games you're talking about?
The nostalgic part of your post is the flaw. You grew up with games like mario and zelda in your childhood. When you are a child, even crap games can seem good because you don't really look at the flaws. Now that you are older you can critically analyze games, so now they aren't as awe-inspiring. So to answer your question, no, game quality isn't declining, but the flaws in games are now more noticable now that you are older.
cgi15
I don't know what's funnier: trying to say that the only reason the Mario and Zelda games are so highly regarded is because of nostalgia goggles, or the fact that you have an Alter Bridge avatar.
Sure I can analyze those games now that I'm older, and you know what? They're STILL better than half the junk that passes for "AAA" titles these days. Quality IS declining.
[QUOTE="rattleheadxyz"][QUOTE="ThaLootDog"] ...years from now are people still going to be marveling at how GTA4 and Little Big Planet CHANGED the history of gaming, altering all the fundamentals and improving our experience overall?Dahaka-UK
Yes, yes they are.
I don't see how, neither are that great to be remembered for years to come.I agree. What did GTA 4 bring to the table that hadn't already been done?
Little Big Planet? It's got a level editor, that's not exactly anything new.
People are never satisfied. :roll:
I wonder how many people brought this crap up last generation.
[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="rattleheadxyz"]I don't see how, neither are that great to be remembered for years to come.Yes, yes they are.
svetzenlether
I agree. What did GTA 4 bring to the table that hadn't already been done?
Little Big Planet? It's got a level editor, that's not exactly anything new.
I don't think you've actually played LBP. The whole game is built around the level editor, the game IS the level editor. All the story levels, which are fantastic, are all desgined on the same editor, and shared and distributed quickly and easily on to the PSN network for others to try. It's not a simple tool like in most console games with editors, like the forge in Halo 3, it actually lets you make pretty much anything you want, and easily, meaning no months of learning how to use a programming langauge or modding tools to make anything work anywhere near as required. LBP will be remembered for taking integrated shared DLC to a new level that will be fairly standard in a few years. All it requires is that the user input some creativity. How many other games have a difficulty based on the users own level of creativity?
If I'm never satisfied why am I enjoying older games more than the new, without bringing out nostalgia comments which are totally untrue. And I'm willing to bet hardly anybody complained the last generation. If they did I'd pretty much question them. I'll tell you why I'm not satisfied though. The bad taste this generation is leaving.People are never satisfied. :roll:
I wonder how many people brought this crap up last generation.
Silverbond
People are never satisfied. :roll:
I wonder how many people brought this crap up last generation.
Silverbond
For as long as nostalgia exsits no one will ever choose to be satisfied. That's just the way people are. I don't know how people ever came to consider nostalgia as a good thing, when all it has ever done is make people long for the past.
i don't think you are mentioning quality, but genre defining. if you talk about genre defining, then yes this generation hasn't seen much apart from mirrors edge and lbp.
as far as quality, i find it a hell of a lot better than previous generations. 1st off, i couldn't stand any shooters on consoles. there has been a big step up in the quality of console shooters even if they are starting to feel repetetive.
2nd....the quality of graphics have pushed level design to a whole new level and how the environment works in a game. immersion has to get a bigger bump due to how these character models and how environments look. i was blown away at how the world worked in assasins creed. most of my enjoyement was the beauty and the immersion of damascus. say what you want about their repetetive gameplay, but no one can deny the breathing organic world assasins creed was. this would not have been possible had it been in previous generations.
3rd...with the release of heavy rain, it looks like these developers are really serious about pushing the narrative of games. even killzone 2 gets demerit for its predictable foul mouth dialogue with f bombs being fillers than actual dialogue(even though i know plenty of people who speak like that even though they aren't fighting a war. i imagine i would be talking like that if not worse if i was a midst a fire fight. c'mon don't tell me the revievers are to smart for good old fashion f bombs?)
i think theres a million great things that this generation of games brought, but deep down inside i welcome all these sequels (only the good ones off course) because everytime i play a great game, i wish that the story would have been expanded, or the game was longer...hence the sequels. if thats not your thing, thats fine, but i think its a stretch to say this generation's quality has gone down...its actually gone up...
[QUOTE="Silverbond"]If I'm never satisfied why am I enjoying older games more than the new, without bringing out nostalgia comments which are totally untrue. And I'm willing to bet hardly anybody complained the last generation. If they did I'd pretty much question them. I'll tell you why I'm not satisfied though. The bad taste this generation is leaving.People are never satisfied. :roll:
I wonder how many people brought this crap up last generation.
Dahaka-UK
What older games? What newer games? It's of your own choosing, no one forces you to play anything, yet you choose games you don't like to play. If you really wanted to enjoy newer games you could easily find newer games you would enjoy. You just refuse to do so. All people ever do is complain and ask for more, you seem to think that this "Game quality is degrading" rubish is new to this generation. It's not. It's exsisted since the first switch of platforms occured. All people ever do is complain rather than appreciate what they have, what developers have put their life towards creating so that you could have a few hours of enjoyment. You repay that favour by condeming them claiming that their games are no longer deep as they used to be, while providing no evidence to back up the point being made.
Yes, yes they are.
Silverbond
I don't see how, neither are that great to be remembered for years to come.
I agree. What did GTA 4 bring to the table that hadn't already been done?
Little Big Planet? It's got a level editor, that's not exactly anything new.
Yeah man.. I agree. LBP, the only positive aspect is the level creator but even then what is the point of having a level creator based around really poor platforming elements. Lets face it, the general gameplay to LBP just isn't that great, there are far more better platforming games in existence. Don't even get me started on GTA4, that game doesn't even deserve it's sales and all the praise it gets.
[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]If I'm never satisfied why am I enjoying older games more than the new, without bringing out nostalgia comments which are totally untrue. And I'm willing to bet hardly anybody complained the last generation. If they did I'd pretty much question them. I'll tell you why I'm not satisfied though. The bad taste this generation is leaving.People are never satisfied. :roll:
I wonder how many people brought this crap up last generation.
WasntAvailable
What older games? What newer games? It's of your own choosing, no one forces you to play anything, yet you choose games you don't like to play. If you really wanted to enjoy newer games you could easily find newer games you would enjoy. You just refuse to do so. All people ever do is complain and ask for more, you seem to think that this "Game quality is degrading" rubish is new to this generation. It's not. It's exsisted since the first switch of platforms occured. All people ever do is complain rather than appreciate what they have, what developers have put their life towards creating so that you could have a few hours of enjoyment. You repay that favour by condeming them claiming that their games are no longer deep as they used to be, while providing no evidence to back up the point being made.
I could be here all day telling you which games I like better than which but in the end it's just a waste of time and pointless. You could just lay it off as it all being opinion based. Me on the other hand think it's very much fact that games are getting worse, it's clear as day. I just don't enjoy games of today at all. Being a fan of nearly every genre out there, most of them are all average to me and I simply don't accept average games like most gamers do of this generation. Why should I appreciate mediocrity. I think gamers of this generation have gotten far too easy to please and their standards have dropped immensely.
Ofcourse it would be stupid in saying gamers didn't complain any of the previous generations. I'm sure "some" gamers had their reasons at the time. This generataion however, most gamers have got every right to complain as quality is degrading dew to money hungry developers and casuals. It might not be apparent to many of you yet but if things continue the way there going. You will soon see the truth. Probably by next gen though where your favorite games will be dumbed down even further in which point I'll be quiting the notion of ever being a gamer.
I don't think you've actually played LBP. The whole game is built around the level editor, the game IS the level editor. All the story levels, which are fantastic, are all desgined on the same editor, and shared and distributed quickly and easily on to the PSN network for others to try. It's not a simple tool like in most console games with editors, like the forge in Halo 3, it actually lets you make pretty much anything you want, and easily, meaning no months of learning how to use a programming langauge or modding tools to make anything work anywhere near as required. LBP will be remembered for taking integrated shared DLC to a new level that will be fairly standard in a few years. All it requires is that the user input some creativity. How many other games have a difficulty based on the users own level of creativity?
WasntAvailable
One that instantly comes to mind is Trackmania.
[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"] If I'm never satisfied why am I enjoying older games more than the new, without bringing out nostalgia comments which are totally untrue. And I'm willing to bet hardly anybody complained the last generation. If they did I'd pretty much question them. I'll tell you why I'm not satisfied though. The bad taste this generation is leaving.Dahaka-UK
What older games? What newer games? It's of your own choosing, no one forces you to play anything, yet you choose games you don't like to play. If you really wanted to enjoy newer games you could easily find newer games you would enjoy. You just refuse to do so. All people ever do is complain and ask for more, you seem to think that this "Game quality is degrading" rubish is new to this generation. It's not. It's exsisted since the first switch of platforms occured. All people ever do is complain rather than appreciate what they have, what developers have put their life towards creating so that you could have a few hours of enjoyment. You repay that favour by condeming them claiming that their games are no longer deep as they used to be, while providing no evidence to back up the point being made.
I could be here all day telling you which games I like better than which but in the end it's just a waste of time and pointless. You could just lay it off as it all being opinion based. Me on the other hand think it's very much fact that games are getting worse, it's clear as day. I just don't enjoy games of today at all. Being a fan of nearly every genre out there, most of them are all average to me and I simply don't accept average games like most gamers do of this generation. Why should I appreciate mediocrity. I think gamers of this generation have gotten far too easy to please and their standards have dropped immensely.
Ofcourse it would be stupid in saying gamers didn't complain any of the previous generations. I'm sure "some" gamers had their reasons at the time. This generataion however, most gamers have got every right to complain as quality is degrading dew to money hungry developers and casuals.
Yet you provide no evidence to back up your claims, once again. All you have just said can basically be summed up as:
"I don't like games anymore because they are not as good as they were."
"I do not need evidence to back this claim, as for some (bizare) reason I think my own personal opinion is the same as fact."
If that were enough to form an argument then the counter would be simple, I am not experiencing the same issues you are talking about and I believe that to be fact, but I do not believe that you can use the words 'think' or 'believe' and 'fact' in the same sentence, and believe you are talking about facts. You have given me nothing to go own but a point with nothing to back it and all that says to me is "nostalgia", and you wont provide me any real evidence to prove otherwise. If it's really so clear as day, prove it, don't just state it and expect it to become true by its self.
What older games? What newer games? It's of your own choosing, no one forces you to play anything, yet you choose games you don't like to play. If you really wanted to enjoy newer games you could easily find newer games you would enjoy. You just refuse to do so. All people ever do is complain and ask for more, you seem to think that this "Game quality is degrading" rubish is new to this generation. It's not. It's exsisted since the first switch of platforms occured. All people ever do is complain rather than appreciate what they have, what developers have put their life towards creating so that you could have a few hours of enjoyment. You repay that favour by condeming them claiming that their games are no longer deep as they used to be, while providing no evidence to back up the point being made.
I could be here all day telling you which games I like better than which but in the end it's just a waste of time and pointless. You could just lay it off as it all being opinion based. Me on the other hand think it's very much fact that games are getting worse, it's clear as day. I just don't enjoy games of today at all. Being a fan of nearly every genre out there, most of them are all average to me and I simply don't accept average games like most gamers do of this generation. Why should I appreciate mediocrity. I think gamers of this generation have gotten far too easy to please and their standards have dropped immensely.
Ofcourse it would be stupid in saying gamers didn't complain any of the previous generations. I'm sure "some" gamers had their reasons at the time. This generataion however, most gamers have got every right to complain as quality is degrading dew to money hungry developers and casuals.
Yet you provide no evidence to back up your claims, once again. All you have just said can basically be summed up as:
"I don't like games anymore because they are not as good as they were."
"I do not need evidence to back this claim, as for some (bizare) reason I think my own personal opinion is the same as fact."
If that were enough to form an argument then the counter would be simple, I am not experiencing the same issues you are talking about and I believe that to be fact, but I do not believe that you can use the words 'think' or 'believe' and 'fact' in the same sentence, and believe you are talking about facts. You have given me nothing to go own but a point with nothing to back it and all that says to me is "nostalgia", and you wont provide me any real evidence to prove otherwise. If it's really so clear as day, prove it, don't just state it and expect it to become true by its self.
OK then. Where would you like me to get this evidence from. Pull it from a magic hat perhaps? I don't got no evidence. You cannot prove something to anyone that grossly in denial on the subject. I just know from experience of playing games all my life that games are getting worse. Maybe that feeling just hasn't hit you yet? It will. I assure you.[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]I could be here all day telling you which games I like better than which but in the end it's just a waste of time and pointless. You could just lay it off as it all being opinion based. Me on the other hand think it's very much fact that games are getting worse, it's clear as day. I just don't enjoy games of today at all. Being a fan of nearly every genre out there, most of them are all average to me and I simply don't accept average games like most gamers do of this generation. Why should I appreciate mediocrity. I think gamers of this generation have gotten far too easy to please and their standards have dropped immensely.
Ofcourse it would be stupid in saying gamers didn't complain any of the previous generations. I'm sure "some" gamers had their reasons at the time. This generataion however, most gamers have got every right to complain as quality is degrading dew to money hungry developers and casuals.
Dahaka-UK
Yet you provide no evidence to back up your claims, once again. All you have just said can basically be summed up as:
"I don't like games anymore because they are not as good as they were."
"I do not need evidence to back this claim, as for some (bizare) reason I think my own personal opinion is the same as fact."
If that were enough to form an argument then the counter would be simple, I am not experiencing the same issues you are talking about and I believe that to be fact, but I do not believe that you can use the words 'think' or 'believe' and 'fact' in the same sentence, and believe you are talking about facts. You have given me nothing to go own but a point with nothing to back it and all that says to me is "nostalgia", and you wont provide me any real evidence to prove otherwise. If it's really so clear as day, prove it, don't just state it and expect it to become true by its self.
OK then. Where would you like me to get this evidence from. Pull it from a magic hat perhaps? I don't got no evidence. You cannot prove something to anyone that grossly in denial on the subject. I just know from experience of playing games all my life that games are getting worse. Maybe that feeling just hasn't hit you yet? It will. I assure you.I can assure you I will not. I have been playing games for a long time, and I have allways looked for the best in games, not the worst. And I do not let nostalgia rule any part of me.
You can not prove anything with out evidence, I'm sorry, but it's not possible. There is no denial from me here, I know what I enjoy, and I know why I enjoy games the way I do, I can and will put forward reasons as to why I like or dislike games on request. I consider that to be atleast some form of evidence. I will not blindly state games are declining in quality this generation with nothing to back up the point. You have no case, nothing to prove, only some gut feeling you seem to think you can declare as fact. I don't go by gut feelings, I go by evidence and evaluation. But you're not intrested in this, you would have come prepared to back up your own points if you were, and now I'm bored. I recommend you think why you think the way you do before you comit to anything. Baseless comments will get you nowhere.
[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]OK then. Where would you like me to get this evidence from. Pull it from a magic hat perhaps? I don't got no evidence. You cannot prove something to anyone that grossly in denial on the subject. I just know from experience of playing games all my life that games are getting worse. Maybe that feeling just hasn't hit you yet? It will. I assure you.Yet you provide no evidence to back up your claims, once again. All you have just said can basically be summed up as:
"I don't like games anymore because they are not as good as they were."
"I do not need evidence to back this claim, as for some (bizare) reason I think my own personal opinion is the same as fact."
If that were enough to form an argument then the counter would be simple, I am not experiencing the same issues you are talking about and I believe that to be fact, but I do not believe that you can use the words 'think' or 'believe' and 'fact' in the same sentence, and believe you are talking about facts. You have given me nothing to go own but a point with nothing to back it and all that says to me is "nostalgia", and you wont provide me any real evidence to prove otherwise. If it's really so clear as day, prove it, don't just state it and expect it to become true by its self.
WasntAvailable
I can assure you I will not. I have been playing games for a long time, and I have allways looked for the best in games, not the worst. And I do not let nostalgia rule any part of me.
You can not prove anything with out evidence, I'm sorry, but it's not possible. There is no denial from me here, I know what I enjoy, and I know why I enjoy games the way I do, I can and will put forward reasons as to why I like or dislike games on request. I consider that to be atleast some form of evidence. I will not blindly state games are declining in quality this generation with nothing to back up the point. You have no case, nothing to prove, only some gut feeling you seem to think you can declare as fact. I don't go by gut feelings, I go by evidence and evaluation. But you're not intrested in this, you would have come prepared to back up your own points if you were, and now I'm bored. I recommend you think why you think the way you do before you comit to anything. Baseless comments will get you nowhere.
Ok, Wasn'tAvailable, even though I am sure you took particular offense to my Halo 3 comment because you like it, I apologize for that quip, the person I intended it for wasn't deserving of it and I was being a real you know what. Bad day sorry. I know I shouldn't bash on others tastes, and I'm no online barbarian that offends someone and doesn't say sorry, because I am, but I am just frustrated with gamers' tastes these days. All my friends are obsessed with games like COD and Halo while all my life I have been trying to persuade them to play what I myself consider GOOD games, only for them to say they aren't into gaming. Now to see half the population delve into gaming due to its sudden popularity when they once shunned it is just a real kick in my @$$ if you know what I mean. As a side note I want you to know nostalgia plays no part in my opinions either as I always try and play games with zero expectations, a blank page. Like I mentioned before, I recently went back and played a SNES classic, Earthbound, and had more fun with that "retro, old" game than most anything this generation has spewed out. I went on to play the other Mother titles, and without any nostalgia, I loved that series. So far I have felt zero love for anything this generation. Sure I liked some games, but L-O-V-E ,JOHN SINATRA LOVE, I don't think so. There is a decline in gaming as far as I'm concerned, but keep doing what makes you happy. I'm not saying you have to suddenly drop everything you thought was fun and conform to my opinion, which you gladly won't, but we are just discussing our feeling of loss in the loss of the older style of gaming. None of this flashy stuff, where graphics and gun-variety defined a game. I'm talking about back when people looked at Half-Life or Zelda fanboys and questioned their sexually and anyone seen wearing a green-pipe t-shirt was granted an awkward stare. There has been a huge shift in bias, whereas a gamer was pretty much automatically a nerd, to where we are now were every jock and meathead in the business in on a copy of Madden or COD. Why has this shift happened? Well that is an easy question. The industry has shifted gaming more towards the general public, or in Nintendo's case completely toward the general public, and shy-ed away from all the hardcore gamers, itching for the next TRUE gaming gem. Sadly we haven't gotten many of those lately, and even the gaming legends of past are milking what little originality they have left. Can you really compare Twilight Princess to Ocarina, Majora's Mask, or even Windwaker? I don't think so, and if you take the time to think about it neither will you. I hope I added a little credibility to my point.
[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]OK then. Where would you like me to get this evidence from. Pull it from a magic hat perhaps? I don't got no evidence. You cannot prove something to anyone that grossly in denial on the subject. I just know from experience of playing games all my life that games are getting worse. Maybe that feeling just hasn't hit you yet? It will. I assure you.Yet you provide no evidence to back up your claims, once again. All you have just said can basically be summed up as:
"I don't like games anymore because they are not as good as they were."
"I do not need evidence to back this claim, as for some (bizare) reason I think my own personal opinion is the same as fact."
If that were enough to form an argument then the counter would be simple, I am not experiencing the same issues you are talking about and I believe that to be fact, but I do not believe that you can use the words 'think' or 'believe' and 'fact' in the same sentence, and believe you are talking about facts. You have given me nothing to go own but a point with nothing to back it and all that says to me is "nostalgia", and you wont provide me any real evidence to prove otherwise. If it's really so clear as day, prove it, don't just state it and expect it to become true by its self.
WasntAvailable
I can assure you I will not. I have been playing games for a long time, and I have allways looked for the best in games, not the worst. And I do not let nostalgia rule any part of me.
You can not prove anything with out evidence, I'm sorry, but it's not possible. There is no denial from me here, I know what I enjoy, and I know why I enjoy games the way I do, I can and will put forward reasons as to why I like or dislike games on request. I consider that to be atleast some form of evidence. I will not blindly state games are declining in quality this generation with nothing to back up the point. You have no case, nothing to prove, only some gut feeling you seem to think you can declare as fact. I don't go by gut feelings, I go by evidence and evaluation. But you're not intrested in this, you would have come prepared to back up your own points if you were, and now I'm bored. I recommend you think why you think the way you do before you comit to anything. Baseless comments will get you nowhere.
Then again, you'll blindly state why games are getting better? Oh thats right, you have yet to prove why I'm wrong and your right. You could throw lots of opinions at me I suppose. It wouldn't change the inevitable fact that games are getting worse. I'm not a graphics whore you see. I don't too much get impressed by shiney things, I have an eye for detail, the details of which I'm not seeing in games today.
My personal experience is that by more games you play, the less excitement you get on new games. By the time you are playing game # 25 of a specific genre you probably have seen it all.glez13
As a 38 year old gamer ... I'd also suggest perhaps skipping a console generaiton [go PC for a bit]. After 5 years, you've got a better perspective coming back to console gaming.
We all idealize our experiences when young, and it IS hard to see anything exciting about the 25th iteration of the same thing. Personally, the FPS genre is played out and I've just got no interest. That's why I play everything else ... and have found in games like World of Goo a lot to remind me of why I love gaming in the first place.
The increased costs, staff, and intricacies of HD gaming this gen have made a lot of games like big movie blockbusters ... often lacking soul, and aimed at the largest market possible to try to recoup costs. It's understandable, but people are less willing to take chances, try whole new ideas when you're looking at serious $$$ to get the game to market. The most innovative games of late IMO are the download service games - where a couple people can make a short but unique game without all that overhead ... and thus take chances, try new ideas [flower, world of goo].
The good games this generation take gaming further. The bad ones, well ... like pop music, it's aimed at a certain age and if you're too old for that ... it's not for you. Doesn't mean it's bad, just mean it's not for you.
[QUOTE="clembo1990"]TF2, MGS4, Halo 3, Gears, Crysis, RSV, Empire TW, CoD4, Forza 2, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Stalker, Brawl, SMG, Dark Resurrection, God of War CoO, Uncharted, L4D, HL2E2, Portal, Sins of a Solar Empire, King's Bounty, Dead Rising, Castle Crashers, World in Conflict, Killzone 2, GTA 4, Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, Assassins Creed, DiRT, GRiD and PixelJunk Monsters say HELL NO!ThaLootDog
At of all these games the only ones I actually liked were MGS4, Crysis, Empire, Mass Effect, Stalker, Portal, Sins, Dead Space, Assassin's Creed and even those were mostly only moderately good, the rest were mostly crap, with the exception of SMG which was okay but without a doubt the first canon 3d mario that wasn't amazing. Mario in space? Come on. The only real standouts were MGS4 and Portal, maybe Dead Space. And you didn't mention Braid which empasized the fail.
Halo 3, Gears, RSV, COD4, Forza, Brawl, and Dead Rising were all crap IMO. Just shootem' ups and button mashers. So you liked a few then?
. Has anyone been able to forget games like Zelda, Mario, and Half-Life? ThaLootDogYeah I also remember a bunch of absolutely horrible games from about that time like Shaq-fu and Superman 64.....not to mention how many games from the 80's can I find that would probably make "Chicken Shoot" look like a masterpiece.
[QUOTE="ThaLootDog"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]TF2, MGS4, Halo 3, Gears, Crysis, RSV, Empire TW, CoD4, Forza 2, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Stalker, Brawl, SMG, Dark Resurrection, God of War CoO, Uncharted, L4D, HL2E2, Portal, Sins of a Solar Empire, King's Bounty, Dead Rising, Castle Crashers, World in Conflict, Killzone 2, GTA 4, Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, Assassins Creed, DiRT, GRiD and PixelJunk Monsters say HELL NO!clembo1990
At of all these games the only ones I actually liked were MGS4, Crysis, Empire, Mass Effect, Stalker, Portal, Sins, Dead Space, Assassin's Creed and even those were mostly only moderately good, the rest were mostly crap, with the exception of SMG which was okay but without a doubt the first canon 3d mario that wasn't amazing. Mario in space? Come on. The only real standouts were MGS4 and Portal, maybe Dead Space. And you didn't mention Braid which empasized the fail.
Halo 3, Gears, RSV, COD4, Forza, Brawl, and Dead Rising were all crap IMO. Just shootem' ups and button mashers. So you liked a few then?
Well the only games I can say I truly liked are Orange Box, Braid, Condemned, Dead Space, MGS4, and Assassin's Creed. The others are good, but not anything I will rant about 5 years from now. I hope people aren't getting the wrong idea from me and interpreting my posts as "ALL VIDEO GAMES TODAY SUCK!" That's not what I'm saying at all,because I still have a great time with some games. I'm just saying that we are missing games that remind us why we LOVE gaming. Braid did that for me. To tell you the truth I was about to give up on gaming altogether, but the second I finished that game I knew there was still hope, that there were still developers who cared about gaming, not the cash from it. So all of you who love your graphics and guns and online gaming, good for you, it is the product of your generation, and the products of our times are different and uncomparable. It's like comparing apples to oranges, except the apples are yesterday's games and the oranges today's. Now imagine a guy obsessed with apples, I mean fe friggin loves these things, but one day his local fruit manufacturer tells this man they are going to stop production of apples and start making oranges. Now this guy is just crushed, I mean this b!T$# is applesauce. Sure he likes the oranges, they are different but still good; but they will never be apples, and something has been lost for that man. Now that story is ridiculous and I don't intend any of you to be persuaded at all by it, by I hope you get my basic message. That I have acid-reflux, me and oranges don't mix, and fruits are manufactured in large metal factories.
You had a different feeling when playing games of old.....it is not that they are better or these games are declining, you just miss the feeling you had when you played games the first. I remember how I felt when I played Melee tournaments with my cousins in high school, and the memories along with it. So due to the experiences you had playing it you cherish those games more....that's called nostalgia. Tulak_HordIf you read my previous posts, I disclaimed nostalgia as a factor in why I dislike new games, I simply just like the style and fun of older games. Games today feel clunky, lifeless, devoid of soul. Today's game are completely centered around graphics, violence, flashy substance, and a determination to look like the next big hollywood blockbuster, possibly matching it in lifeless-ness. Hence why I don't like them. I'm not a hollywood blockbuster guy, I'm like more indie/cult films like City of God, Requiem for a Dream, American Beauty, Let The Right One In, Eternal Sunshine, Donnie Darko, Reservoir Dogs, and a lot of other films Hollywood folk don't like too much. I don't like films like Die Hard, Bourne Identity, The Mummy, or any other crappy Blockbuster, so I definitely do not like the direction gaming. I mean the biggest focus right now is on a form of gameplay WITH NO STORY OR CHARACTERS! Multiplayer is killing the industry and pushing it further into a territory I loathe.
[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Some have said as much so I won't pile on and just say: Gaming IMO this gen has been too good for this gamer to thoroughly enjoy it all.ThaLootDogYou have Halo 3 as your gamerpic, you obviously know nothing of gaming. As I said before, I HAVE enjoyed this gen, but there is a prevalent decrease in the depth of todays games. Halo 3 is about as shallow as it gets, so I assume you know nothing of what I speak.
this quote explains everything. your qualms have nothing to do with depth or declining quality of games. they have everything to do with being a narrow-sighted elitist.
you have some fierce vendetta against fps and multiplayer online gaming. i am sorry to break it to you, but online play is central to gaming. consoles are just catching up to what pc gamers have known and enjoyed since like the mid ninties. and there is nothing wrong intrinsically with online play despite claims it is ruining gaming. why should anybody fault a game for promoting interaction as opposed to sitting alone doing your thing by yourself in a game? how can this be considered an intrinsic flaw? its like buying an apple and being pissed because it isnt an orange. get over yourself. there are lots of single player games still available and many games with multiplayer modes have fantastic single player experiences.
i am not a halo guy, but denying there is depth to that game can only be chalked up to either ignorace or outright lying. between the forge and the single best mutliplayer setup available on a console online, there is no question that halo possesses considerable depth--far more than any fps from an earlier generation save the half-life and team fortress series. there is an enormous amount to do in the game and much of it, as a result of the forge, actually has nothing to do with playing the game. a lot of people dont like halo just so they can be different. maybe youre one of them? (dont bother trying to defend your position as im not going to read this thread again, just sayin)
we have been blessed with a barrage of fantastic titles this generation and we have also seen dlc come into its own offering both horrible exploitation of unselective people and a fantastic new way for indie developers to reach broad audiences. mass effect, viva pinata, gears of war, braid, nhl 09, fallout 3, castle crashers, smg, the list goes on. if you disagree, then frankly i feel sorry for you for being so stuck in your tastes that you cant enjoy quality when it is handed to you on a silver platter.
there has been no decline whatsoever. your taste is just very static. deal with it while the rest of us enjoy everything this generation has to offer.
You have Halo 3 as your gamerpic, you obviously know nothing of gaming. As I said before, I HAVE enjoyed this gen, but there is a prevalent decrease in the depth of todays games. Halo 3 is about as shallow as it gets, so I assume you know nothing of what I speak.[QUOTE="ThaLootDog"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Some have said as much so I won't pile on and just say: Gaming IMO this gen has been too good for this gamer to thoroughly enjoy it all.CaptainHarley
this quote explains everything. your qualms have nothing to do with depth or declining quality of games. they have everything to do with being a narrow-sighted elitist.
you have some fierce vendetta against fps and multiplayer online gaming. i am sorry to break it to you, but online play is central to gaming. consoles are just catching up to what pc gamers have known and enjoyed since like the mid ninties. and there is nothing wrong intrinsically with online play despite claims it is ruining gaming. why should anybody fault a game for promoting interaction as opposed to sitting alone doing your thing by yourself in a game? how can this be considered an intrinsic flaw? its like buying an apple and being pissed because it isnt an orange. get over yourself. there are lots of single player games still available and many games with multiplayer modes have fantastic single player experiences.
i am not a halo guy, but denying there is depth to that game can only be chalked up to either ignorace or outright lying. between the forge and the single best mutliplayer setup available on a console online, there is no question that halo possesses considerable depth--far more than any fps from an earlier generation save the half-life and team fortress series. there is an enormous amount to do in the game and much of it, as a result of the forge, actually has nothing to do with playing the game. a lot of people dont like halo just so they can be different. maybe youre one of them? (dont bother trying to defend your position as im not going to read this thread again, just sayin)
we have been blessed with a barrage of fantastic titles this generation and we have also seen dlc come into its own offering both horrible exploitation of unselective people and a fantastic new way for indie developers to reach broad audiences. mass effect, viva pinata, gears of war, braid, nhl 09, fallout 3, castle crashers, smg, the list goes on. if you disagree, then frankly i feel sorry for you for being so stuck in your tastes that you cant enjoy quality when it is handed to you on a silver platter.
there has been no decline whatsoever. your taste is just very static. deal with it while the rest of us enjoy everything this generation has to offer.
I respected what everyone wrote, and am admittedly sorry and embarrased at the Halo bashing comment I made, I made it out of annoyance for the day I was having. Also note the gamer I insulted didn't apologize for saying this gen of gaming "was too good for me". The only comment I have really detested was yours. You obviously read little of what I wrote, accused me of being an elitist, accused me of being "blinded to the depth" of games, just ASSUME you know my tastes!,and then don't even give me a chance to return the favor of your bashing. If you took the time to read I apologized for the Halo comment, and I really liked Halo 1. Just because I didn't like Halo 2 or 3 doesn't make me an "elitist" or prove I'm just "trying to be different", I just thought they were crap. I loved Halo 1, but 2 and 3 completely ditched any emphasis on story and focused completely on multiplayer, stealing GMOD and claiming it as "The Forge" along the way. I said Halo 3 was shallow because 90% of the people obsessed with it are people who have never even picked up a controller prior to Halo 3. Also I have no "fierce vendetta" against FPS and online shooters. Half-Life is my second favorite game of all time and I was a COD4 junkie. What I do have a vandetta against is how multiplayer is completely stealing the spotlight from single-player. You say there are PLENTY of GREAT single-eplayer games just popping up all over the systems, when there are surely NOT. Mass Effect failed and Gears of War failed from what you said, and the fact you have Viva Pinata as a great game of this era just goes to show how far we've fallen. From now on don't accuse me of being "stuck in my tastes", if that is even coherent, and stick to your mediocre games and stop telling me how I think. Now you get over yourself. My only remaining irk is that you won't get to read how much I loathed your post.Please Log In to post.
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