Has MS abandoned core gamers?

With 2 exclusives next year and comment like this?

The Xbox 360 is doing great, and Microsoft says it hasn't forgotten who made that happen.

Kinect may be selling better than anyone - including Microsoft - expected, but anyone concerned that Microsoft will sideline hardcore games in favor of mini-game collections and shovelware may be worrying.

Is there anything but shovelware wii like games remaining for the 360?

They will never admit it but they have definitely pushed core gamers to the side, because they know where the money is now. Casual gamers ate up Kinect and all its shovelware so MS is going to keep making more for them. I'm not saying we aren't going to get our Forzas, Gears and Halos, but new IP's geared toward the core aren't looking too promising. Maybe next gen this will change, i sure hope so.

-__- They even held a farewell party sometime last year where they made everyone wear a LED-tutu/poncho.

*waits for loosingEnd and his list to show up*

They're definitely putting less emphasis on them. Why? Because they're not worth it.ActionRemix

That's very true. It's much easier to make money off of those who don't really care about fancy graphics...than trying to please an increasingly difficult fanbase.

Compare the budget for a casual game and a hardcore game...both can sell the same amount of copies, but the casual game cost 1/10th of the budget.

Also, the companies don't need to worry about piracy with casual titles.

Family gaming seems to be where the money is, they want that market.

There's no proof that they haven't abandoned them. Kinect and a lack of non-Kinect exclusives is proof that they have. So the answer is a resounding YES.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]They're definitely putting less emphasis on them. Why? Because they're not worth it.peterw007

That's very true. It's much easier to make money off of those who don't really care about fancy graphics...than trying to please an increasingly difficult fanbase.

Compare the budget for a casual game and a hardcore game...both can sell the same amount of copies, but the casual game cost 1/10th of the budget.

Also, the companies don't need to worry about piracy with casual titles.

No, especially given the amount of hardcore games that have released on the 360 this year... They ARE supporting their new endevour however and probably will as long as its a financial success... its actually called buisness. Quite frankly they've become arguably the biggest hardcore media device and the most casual in the same generation... a feat not easily achieved and dont kid yourself, Sony and Nintendo wish they could do as well.

With 2 exclusives next year and comment like this?

The Xbox 360 is doing great, and Microsoft says it hasn't forgotten who made that happen.

Kinect may be selling better than anyone - including Microsoft - expected, but anyone concerned that Microsoft will sideline hardcore games in favor of mini-game collections and shovelware may be worrying.

Is there anything but shovelware wii like games remaining for the 360?

tenaka2

Actually it has 18 core exclusives next year and a few casual ones too, plus many amazing PC/360 only games like Witcher 2

Check my signature for details

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28918183/xbox-360-game-lineup-in-2012-more-exclusives-than-ever-?tag=topics%3Btitle

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Hardcore Exclusives (18)

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Ryse (exclusive)

Fable Journey (exclusive)

Project Draco (exclusive)

Halo 4 (exclusive)

Dust Elysian Tale (exclusive)

Haunt (exclusive)

Star Wars (exclusive)

Steel Batallion (exclusive)

Battleblock Theater (exclusive)

Bloogforge (exclusive)

Clas4 Zombi MMO (exclusive)

Diabolical Pitch (exclusive)

Hybrid (exclusive)

Obsidian RPG (exclusive)

Skyrim DLC (timed exclusive)

Trials Evolution (exclusive)

Alan Wake Night Springs (exclusive)

Fusion Genesis (exclusive)

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PC/360 only games (not on other consoles)

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

FEZ (PC/360 only)

Minecraft (PC/360 only)

Owlboy (PC/360 only)

Capsized (PC/360 only)

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PS3/360 only games (not on PC)

FF13-2 (PS3/360 only)

Dragon Dogma (PS3/360 only)

Asura's Wrath (PS3/360 only)

Overstrike (PS3/360 only)

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Special

Skyrim timed exclusive DLC expansions

Exclusive Kinect support for Mass Effect 3

*waits for loosingEnd and his list to show up*

NoodleFighter

Sir, your prophecy was proven correct.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]They're definitely putting less emphasis on them. Why? Because they're not worth it.ActionRemix

That's very true. It's much easier to make money off of those who don't really care about fancy graphics...than trying to please an increasingly difficult fanbase.

Compare the budget for a casual game and a hardcore game...both can sell the same amount of copies, but the casual game cost 1/10th of the budget.

Also, the companies don't need to worry about piracy with casual titles.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

With 2 exclusives next year and comment like this?

The Xbox 360 is doing great, and Microsoft says it hasn't forgotten who made that happen.

Kinect may be selling better than anyone - including Microsoft - expected, but anyone concerned that Microsoft will sideline hardcore games in favor of mini-game collections and shovelware may be worrying.

Is there anything but shovelware wii like games remaining for the 360?

loosingENDS

Actually it has 18 core exclusives next year and a few casual ones too, plus many amazing PC/360 only games like Witcher 2

Check my signature for details

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28918183/xbox-360-game-lineup-in-2012-more-exclusives-than-ever-?tag=topics%3Btitle

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Hardcore Exclusives (18)

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Ryse (exclusive)

Your list of vapor ware and kinect titles cannot help the core gamer.

The Core gamer does not use connect, could you list title that dont need kinect?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

With 2 exclusives next year and comment like this?

The Xbox 360 is doing great, and Microsoft says it hasn't forgotten who made that happen.

Kinect may be selling better than anyone - including Microsoft - expected, but anyone concerned that Microsoft will sideline hardcore games in favor of mini-game collections and shovelware may be worrying.

Is there anything but shovelware wii like games remaining for the 360?

loosingENDS

Actually it has 18 core exclusives next year and a few casual ones too, plus many amazing PC/360 only games like Witcher 2

Check my signature for details

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28918183/xbox-360-game-lineup-in-2012-more-exclusives-than-ever-?tag=topics%3Btitle

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Hardcore Exclusives (18)

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Ryse (exclusive)

Fable Journey (exclusive)

Project Draco (exclusive)

Halo 4 (exclusive)

Dust Elysian Tale (exclusive)

Haunt (exclusive)

Star Wars (exclusive)

Steel Batallion (exclusive)

Battleblock Theater (exclusive)

Bloogforge (exclusive)

Clas4 Zombi MMO (exclusive)

Diabolical Pitch (exclusive)

Hybrid (exclusive)

Obsidian RPG (exclusive)

Skyrim DLC (timed exclusive)

Trials Evolution (exclusive)

Alan Wake Night Springs (exclusive)

Fusion Genesis (exclusive)

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PC/360 only games (not on other consoles)

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

FEZ (PC/360 only)

Minecraft (PC/360 only)

Owlboy (PC/360 only)

Capsized (PC/360 only)

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PS3/360 only games (not on PC)

FF13-2 (PS3/360 only)

Dragon Dogma (PS3/360 only)

Asura's Wrath (PS3/360 only)

Overstrike (PS3/360 only)

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Special

Skyrim timed exclusive DLC expansions

Exclusive Kinect support for Mass Effect 3

The only hardcore ones on that list are Halo 4, Alan Wake, ****4 mmo, Steel Batallion, and that Obsidian game. The rest are all going to be dumbed down Kinect games for casuals (See Fable the Jourey gameplay e3) or aren't exclusive (Trials Evolution, Skyrim DLC) or I've never even heard of like some (Battleblock theater? Hybrid? Fusion Genesis?) You are clearly grasping at straws with some of these. While I agree Halo 4, Alan Wake and that new ****4 mmo look promising, the rest look rather mediocre and not geared towards core for the most part.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

*waits for loosingEnd and his list to show up*

peterw007

Sir, your prophecy was proven correct.

Dog to a bone, just trying to get the dodge badger known

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

With 2 exclusives next year and comment like this?

The Xbox 360 is doing great, and Microsoft says it hasn't forgotten who made that happen.

Kinect may be selling better than anyone - including Microsoft - expected, but anyone concerned that Microsoft will sideline hardcore games in favor of mini-game collections and shovelware may be worrying.

Is there anything but shovelware wii like games remaining for the 360?

tenaka2

Actually it has 18 core exclusives next year and a few casual ones too, plus many amazing PC/360 only games like Witcher 2

Check my signature for details

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28918183/xbox-360-game-lineup-in-2012-more-exclusives-than-ever-?tag=topics%3Btitle

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Hardcore Exclusives (18)

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Ryse (exclusive)

Your list of vapor ware and kinect titles cannot help the core gamer.

The Core gamer does not use connect, could you list title that dont need kinect?

These are still 18 core exclusives and for the core gamer

Wow. Those are some hardcore exclusives. :lol: Time for me to trade in my JunkStation 3 for a 360!ActionRemix

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Wow. Those are some hardcore exclusives. :lol: Time for me to trade in my JunkStation 3 for a 360!Bigboi500

Indeed, like the 8.5/10 Gunstringer, unlike the 7.5/10 Infamous 2

Here's a list of PS3 exclusives someone on this site might actually buy: The Last Guardian Starhawk Sly Cooper Papa and Yo TekkenActionRemix

Last Guardian will be nice, i have zero interest in the rest

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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Actually it has 18 core exclusives next year and a few casual ones too, plus many amazing PC/360 only games like Witcher 2

Check my signature for details

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28918183/xbox-360-game-lineup-in-2012-more-exclusives-than-ever-?tag=topics%3Btitle

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Hardcore Exclusives (18)

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Ryse (exclusive)

loosingENDS

Your list of vapor ware and kinect titles cannot help the core gamer.

The Core gamer does not use connect, could you list title that dont need kinect?

These are still 18 core exclusives and for the core gamer

Your confused by "core" core means no kinect, MS has nothing for those people who dont want to dance around like asses.

The era of 'exclusives' being a driving factor are over. The majority of the really big games of 2011 and 2012 aren't 'exclusives'. KC_Hokie

I agree. Even last gen I didn't consider exclusives to really be the driving factor to buy one console over another because the multiplats were so good. I always chose them for my Xbox simply because they were better there which in turn made the Xbox my favorite console of last gen.

That said with this gen, despite the power between both consoles being near even, the 360 still has the upperhand when it comes to it's online network, and as well tends to receive more games that the US demographic craves given that it gets more PC multiplats than the PS3 does. There's a reason it still sells as well as it does.

I wonder how next gen will turn out? I wonder how Japanese development will shift when Vita/PS3 multiplats can be made. Perhaps the 360 won't even get Japanese games at that point.

But at least as it stands now multiplats remain the biggest, and best part of the console industry, and until that stops happening the 360 will continue selling as well as it does.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Your list of vapor ware and kinect titles cannot help the core gamer.

The Core gamer does not use connect, could you list title that dont need kinect?

tenaka2

These are still 18 core exclusives and for the core gamer

Your confused by "core" core means no kinect, MS has nothing for those people who dont want to dance around like asses.

Not really, Kinect has nothing to do with it, it is just another control method

You mean Wii that uses the stick has zero core games ?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

These are still 18 core exclusives and for the core gamer

loosingENDS

Your confused by "core" core means no kinect, MS has nothing for those people who dont want to dance around like asses.

Not really, Kinect has nothing to do with it, it is just another control method

You mean Wii that uses the stick has zero core games ?

no it just means you have no idea what core means, people avoided the wii because they didnt want to bounce around the room looking like **** your suggestist its the way to go lol

I imagine because of fable lol

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Your confused by "core" core means no kinect, MS has nothing for those people who dont want to dance around like asses.

tenaka2

Not really, Kinect has nothing to do with it, it is just another control method

You mean Wii that uses the stick has zero core games ?

no it just means you have no idea what core means, people avoided the wii because they didnt want to bounce around the room looking like **** your suggestist its the way to go lol

I imagine because of fable lol

So, you mean all Wii and Kinect and Move games are worthless and only for casuals, just because you may have to wave your right hand to play them ?

Zelda SS, one of the best games this generation, is casual casual crap now ?

Well, i would not agree with that in a million years, sorry

Indeed, like the 8.5/10 Gunstringer, unlike the 7.5/10 Infamous 2loosingENDS

No, especially given the amount of hardcore games that have released on the 360 this year... TheEroica

[QUOTE="gensigns"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Here's a list of 2012 PS3 exclusives someone on this site might actually buy: The Last Guardian Starhawk Sly Cooper Papa and Yo Tekken Dragon's Crown (spiritual successor to Muramasa)ActionRemix

Yes, it has

A new Fable(Fable Journey)

A new Alan Wake (Alan Wake Night Falls)

A new Witcher (Witcher 2)

A new Halo (Halo 4)

A new Panzer Dragoon (Project Draco)

A new Crytek game (Ryse)

A stunning 2D action game (Dust)

A new From Software game (Steel batallion)

A new ghost/asventure from Sega (Haunt)

A new RPG from Obsidian

A new game from Climax, Sudeki developers (Bloogforge)

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Probably the best lineup since its launch, i will buy them all day one of course

Dragon's CrownActionRemix

I don't believe Dragon's Crown is a PS3 exclusive. It was announced along with the PS Vita, and is supposed to be supported between the PS3/Vita. I'm also pretty certain it's not a 'spiritual successor' to Murumasa. It's just a game by the same devs with a funky artstyle. Nonetheless it looks cool.

That said Dragon's Crown is the only one that interests me of the bunch.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="gensigns"] That's actually a pretty poor list.loosingENDS

Yes, it has

A new Fable(Fable Journey)

A new Alan Wake (Alan Wake Night Falls)

A new Witcher (Witcher 2)

A new Halo (Halo 4)

A new Panzer Dragoon (Project Draco)

A new Crytek game (Ryse)

A stunning 2D action game (Dust)

A new From Software game (Steel batallion)

A new ghost/asventure from Sega (Haunt)

A new RPG from Obsidian

A new game from Climax, Sudeki developers (Bloogforge)

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Probably the best lineup since its launch, i will buy them all day one of course

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="gensigns"] That's actually a pretty poor list.loosingENDS

Yes, it has

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Probably the best lineup since its launch, i will buy them all day one of course

so nothing that doesnt need kinect then?

MS probably figures that their install base is large enough that they don't have to have any exclusives. At this point most core gamers that considered buying a 360, have already bought one. Multiplats are enough to keep their current userbase occupied and pushing Kinect garbage will gain more of the casual marketshare

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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Did you see the 360 list? XDtenaka2

Yes, it has

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Probably the best lineup since its launch, i will buy them all day one of course

so nothing that doesnt need kinect then?

I hope so, Kinect is the future, why would i want a game without Kinect ?

I love the fresh things Kinect brings, i have been playing the standard stuff for 20 years now and before Kinect games seemed all the same

Well, not anymore, gameplay has gone next gen and will be in all 2012 360 games

Sad that is not in Witcher 2 though

Hopefully after Steel Batllion, From SOftware will make Dark Souls 2 a Kinect exclusive, imagine actually fighting the monsters than just pressing buttons

^serious?ActionRemix

Of course, as long as these games can be played sitting down, i definatly want the extra immersion and interaction Kinect will bring

In fact if i could play all games with Kinect, would be the best

It was high time something more interactive and immersive than the joke of pressing buttons on a silly pad appeared

I cant wait to play Zelda SS too with the new controls and fighting system, no matter how much i have to wave