Has MS abandoned core gamers?

The era of 'exclusives' being a driving factor are over. The majority of the really big games of 2011 and 2012 aren't 'exclusives'. KC_Hokie

Yeah, they won't be if the platform you game on doesn't have any exclusives worth playing, that much is obvious. For gamers whose platforms do get amazing exclusives, they are just as relevant as ever.

The era of 'exclusives' being a driving factor are over. The majority of the really big games of 2011 and 2012 aren't 'exclusives'. KC_Hokie

Were they referring to exclusives with regards to that comment TC? There are plenty of "hardcore" multiplats, but MS haven't had much of a focus on exclusives in a while.

^serious?ActionRemix

Zelda SS, a motion controlled game, is getting 10/10 all around

strange stuff, arent all motion control games for casuals ?

Funny that one of the best games this generation is actually a motion contolled game

I would like to read the TC view on the matter

I mean dimissing 16 xbox 360 exclusives like the dont exist because of motion controls, yet Zelda SS, a motion control game is one of the best this generation, if not the very best

They're chasing dollars like the rest of them, look at Nintendo they went casual and make piles of green... MS want to do this as well.JohnF111

Nintendo is also posting their first annual lost ever because their market strategy wasn't sustainable.

With the 360 you have Kinect for kids/anybody who wants to use it (Dance Central is pretty popular amongst college age groups), you have all the multiplats + whatever exclusives they get that appeal to the main demographic of gamers (roughly 14-30 years of age I imagine), on occasion it gets niche shmups, and JRPGs (which it did at one point get exclusively) for that crowd of gamers, you have a mass of entertainment features through XBL that appeal to a crowd of people who crave that tech under their tv, and then you have XBLA which blows both PSN and WiiWare out of the water.

Microsoft has a much more sustainable strategy as it stands for a console in today's market in comparison to the Wii. Nintendo is going to have to make huge changes if it wants the Wii U to be successful that's for sure, but if the 3DS is any indication of how far seperated Nintendo is from the market then who knows? Will we get a controller that sucks? Will the online still be awful (the 3DS still uses friend codes.....)? Will Nintendo continue to not support localization of its titles?

They could easily EASILY pull themselves back, but Nintendo keeps making bad decisions. I don't get it.

Zelda SS, a motion controlled game, is getting 10/10 all around

strange stuff, arent all motion control games for casuals ?

Funny that one of the best games this generation is actually a motion contolled game

I would like to read the TC view on the matter

I mean dimissing 16 xbox 360 exclusives like the dont exist because of motion controls, yet Zelda SS, a motion control game is one of the best this generation, if not the very best

loosingENDS

Playing games does not involving me jumping around, but if it makes you happle ABlefa3 go ahead.

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Zelda SS, a motion controlled game, is getting 10/10 all around

strange stuff, arent all motion control games for casuals ?

Funny that one of the best games this generation is actually a motion contolled game

I would like to read the TC view on the matter

I mean dimissing 16 xbox 360 exclusives like the dont exist because of motion controls, yet Zelda SS, a motion control game is one of the best this generation, if not the very best

tenaka2

Playing games does not involving me juping around, but if it makes you happle ABlefa3 go ahead.

Exercise? actual exertion? god forbid!PC360Wii

Hey, there's a distinct difference between wanting to relax playing video games whilst working out at other times (gym/running/sports/etc) and doing a portion of that exercise whilst gaming. I would rather be a part of the former :P

Didn't Gears of War 3 release this year?meetroid8

It didnt have 20.000 leaves, or an interactive 10,0000 replay ability over a growing world!

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Exercise? actual exertion? god forbid!lundy86_4

Hey, there's a distinct difference between wanting to relax playing video games whilst working out at other times (gym/running/sports/etc) and doing a portion of that exercise whilst gaming. I would rather be a part of the former :P

Why not both.... ultimatly the goal is to immerse you fully. while its very primitive even now... despite PC having the best graphics for immersion all we are doing is this:

Where to aim?

sadly by the time this is the norm we will probably be old and unable ... but fitness and activeness can increase immersion, when done right. sadly I dont think kinect and wii-mote are anywhere near as both are highly abusable.

Why not both.... ultimatly the goal is to immerse you fully. while its very primitive even now... despite PC having the best graphics for immersion all we are doing is this:

Where to aim?

sadly by the time this is the norm we will probably be old and unable ... but fitness and activeness can increase immersion, when done right. sadly I dont think kinect and wii-mote are anywhere near as both are highly abusable.

PC360Wii

I don't wanna :cry:

Personally, it doesn't appeal to me. That being said, once we get something tactile and immersive from it, my opinion could change. As it stands, waving my arms and running with Kinect, just doesn't do it for me :P

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Zelda SS, a motion controlled game, is getting 10/10 all around

strange stuff, arent all motion control games for casuals ?

Funny that one of the best games this generation is actually a motion contolled game

I would like to read the TC view on the matter

I mean dimissing 16 xbox 360 exclusives like the dont exist because of motion controls, yet Zelda SS, a motion control game is one of the best this generation, if not the very best

tenaka2

Playing games does not involving me jumping around, but if it makes you happle ABlefa3 go ahead.

But not all Kinect or Wii games have you jump around

In any case, will you play Zelda SS or skip it because of the dreadfull casual hand waving ?

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Zelda SS, a motion controlled game, is getting 10/10 all around

strange stuff, arent all motion control games for casuals ?

Funny that one of the best games this generation is actually a motion contolled game

I would like to read the TC view on the matter

I mean dimissing 16 xbox 360 exclusives like the dont exist because of motion controls, yet Zelda SS, a motion control game is one of the best this generation, if not the very best

PC360Wii

Playing games does not involving me juping around, but if it makes you happle ABlefa3 go ahead.

But I thought console gamers like console gaming cause they could play on the couch :?

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Exercise? actual exertion? god forbid!PC360Wii

Hey, there's a distinct difference between wanting to relax playing video games whilst working out at other times (gym/running/sports/etc) and doing a portion of that exercise whilst gaming. I would rather be a part of the former :P

Why not both.... ultimatly the goal is to immerse you fully. while its very primitive even now... despite PC having the best graphics for immersion all we are doing is this:

Where to aim?

sadly by the time this is the norm we will probably be old and unable ... but fitness and activeness can increase immersion, when done right. sadly I dont think kinect and wii-mote are anywhere near as both are highly abusable.

Ever heard of Novint XIO

Is there anything but shovelware wii like games remaining for the 360?

tenaka2

MS seems to be marketing their console as a living room entertainment hub, with Kinect at the centre.

Sony appears to be focussing on increasing market share in the console and handheld markets.

It's almost as if they swapped places from the beginning of this gen. Sony certainly marketed the PS3 as an entertainment hub, whilst the 360 was all about the games.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Here's a list of PS3 exclusives someone on this site might actually buy: The Last Guardian Starhawk Sly Cooper Papa and Yo TekkenActionRemix

Whats in your laptop?

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Playing games does not involving me juping around, but if it makes you happle ABlefa3 go ahead.

NoodleFighter

But I thought console gamers like console gaming cause they could play on the couch :?

And you can play all 2012 Kinect games on the couch, you just need to wave your right or both hands, depending on the game, like in Zelda SS

Fable has been confirmed playable sitting down

Ryse and Steel Batallion are hybrid games too

In Draco you control the dragon with the hands and there is no jumping or anything too

Why would all Kinect games be the same, not all games are sports

People hate on games like COD, and Halo, and say it lacks creativity and is destroying the industry....

If anything, these games are saving the industry right now, becasue they are a constant reminder the hardcore titles still bring in the big bucks when it becomes a hit.

We should hate on all this shovelware for kinect, move and the Wii. These games are what will destroy the industry as we know it.. .

They will never admit it but they have definitely pushed core gamers to the side, because they know where the money is now. Casual gamers ate up Kinect and all its shovelware so MS is going to keep making more for them. I'm not saying we aren't going to get our Forzas, Gears and Halos, but new IP's geared toward the core aren't looking too promising. Maybe next gen this will change, i sure hope so.

xXCombatWombat

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Exercise? actual exertion? god forbid!loosingENDS

But I thought console gamers like console gaming cause they could play on the couch :?

And you can play all 2012 Kinect games on the couch, you just need to wave your right or both hands, depending on the game, like in Zelda SS

Fable has been confirmed playable sitting down

Ryse and Steel Batallion are hybrid games too

In Draco you control the dragon with the hands and there is no jumping or anything too

Why would all Kinect games be the same, not all games are sports

Didn't that ryse demo clearly show that guy throwing punches and spartan kicks :P but it's ok as long as I aint doing this

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Exercise? actual exertion? god forbid!NoodleFighter

Whats in your laptop?NoodleFighter

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]But I thought console gamers like console gaming cause they could play on the couch :?ActionRemix

Whats in your laptop?NoodleFighter

Oh just wondering since you said PC games other then ones your laptop could run I was going to list some games like WarFace, X Rebirth, and ArmA 3, which is far as I am aware of for the being the most technical PC only games in 2012.

They did when they released Kinect.

They did when they released Kinect.

mitu123

Then why do they have 25 hardcore exclusives and PC/360 only games in 2012 ?

More than any year so far and the most new core IPs too than any year

Seems to me that they are abandoning the casual gamers altogether, none of the 2012 games is for casuals actually, not one

Did you know that "core" gamers are a concept that was introduced by viral marketers? The more you know.

M$ abandoned core gamers the moment they released Kinect.

M$ abandoned core gamers the moment they released Kinect.

call_of_duty_10

And shutdown / casualized all of their hardcore 1st-party studios.

To be fair this late into a consoles life its going to be mainly kids getting them, once a new expensive system comes out the focus will shift back again and everybody will forget that this happens every generation :roll:.

Console gaming is dying.

To be fair this late into a consoles life its going to be mainly kids getting them, once a new expensive system comes out the focus will shift back again and everybody will forget that this happens every generation :roll:.

SapSacPrime

Cows worry about the 360 more than Lems do. Wonder why that is?

Okay, since you guys apparently really buy into this "core" gamer garbage, give me an example of a "core" game and tell me what makes it so "core."

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They did when they released Kinect.

loosingENDS

Then why do they have 25 hardcore exclusives and PC/360 only games in 2012 ?

More than any year so far and the most new core IPs too than any year

Seems to me that they are abandoning the casual gamers altogether, none of the 2012 games is for casuals actually, not one

Yes, but they have the cycle of Gears, Forza, Halo and Fable to fall back on and dont forgot those timed exclusive dlc

Coes worry about the 360 more than Lems do. Wonder why that is?

WarTornRuston

Yes. They abandoned PC a long time ago.SF_KiLLaMaN

It seems like they are trying to get us back by integrating kinect into windows and XBL. I think they said they might even make some PC exclusives but I'm sure it ain't happening.

While I think the term "hardcore" gamer is a joke, I do agree that MS isn't giving thier fans what they want. It's all about Kinect nowand watered down PC ports, with a dash of Halo here and there.

While I think the term "hardcore" gamer is a joke, I do agree that MS isn't giving thier fans what they want. It's all about Kinect nowand watered down PC ports, with a dash of Halo here and there.

ShadowMoses900

I would think so, at least for the most part. I can't see anything in the 360's upcoming lineup that I'm interested as a "hardcore" gamer.

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While I think the term "hardcore" gamer is a joke, I do agree that MS isn't giving thier fans what they want. It's all about Kinect nowand watered down PC ports, with a dash of Halo here and there.

JohnF111

Agreed, like I certainly have my prefrences as we all do. But I will enjoy a game on any system as long as I'm having fun with it, and that's all that matters. It's kind of like on xbox live with the gamerzones that people have (they don't really do anything though) and some people set their zone to "pro" which I find funny, unless they get paid to play games or something than your not a "pro" gamer. Game reviewers and tournament players are the only people who should be considered "pro" since they get paid to play games, it's just a hobby for everyone else.

I want to ask you guys again, what's a "hardcore" game? Gears 3? Calla doody? There are millions of 12 and 13 year olds playing those games. You run and shoot and duck behind stuff. OOOOH SO HARDCORE. Is uncharted 3 a "hardcore" game? Cinematics, linear level designs, simple puzzles and boring gameplay.

I don't think they have..... it's because there is plenty of 3rd party games being made for them to worry about making exclusives. Instead they ust make kinect games for the casual gamers.

I want to ask you guys again, what's a "hardcore" game? Gears 3? Calla doody? There are millions of 12 and 13 year olds playing those games. You run and shoot and duck behind stuff. OOOOH SO HARDCORE. Is uncharted 3 a "hardcore" game? Cinematics, linear level designs, simple puzzles and boring gameplay.

xLittlekillx

I think some games require more dedication and skill level than others, but I don't consider them "hardcore" either lol. Just more challenging and complex games that attract some people who like a challenge and want to be tested ect... Doesn't make them "hardcore" lol.

They're definitely putting less emphasis on them. Why? Because they're not worth it.ActionRemix