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Poll Has the tide turned against Sony? (65 votes)

Never!!1111 6%

No 42%

Maybe 17%

Yes 29%

It was never in Sony's favor!!1111 6%

Sony has been taking a pounding lately. NPD numbers are not in their favor the past few months. Public reception of the Pro has been a total flop. They have had to delay games numerous times. Xbox One Slim has had a great reception and should carry the console. Scorpio is going to totally outmatch the Pro this time next year.

Is Sony going down the same path Microsoft did last gen where it had a great start, but finished poorly?

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#51 Edited By deactivated-5c0b07b32bf03

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@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

That nicely sums up you and all of your arguments in a nutshell.

So you're just going to shit post and ignore the fact that the PlayStation 4 has HDMI 1.4 and the requirement for HDR is 2.0a.

Nice life.

No, I am simply pointing out **again** your basic behavior, which is to first be enraged by Sony's success, and then to make up all kinds of 'truths' to support your fictitious claims. It never ends with you. I guess that's the point, huh?

This is still shit posting, you're ignoring what is being said and going off on some diatribe about me.

Answer a question, if the output hardware only supports HDMI 1.4 spec, how can it perform HDR if the spec requirement for it is HDMI 2.0a?

I have no idea how it can perform HDR. Really, I don't. I'm not ignoring what you're saying--I am utterly without a good answer to give you. The point I am trying to make is that you, as well, are without an answer. Just own that, dude. You don't have the facts. You just have speculation. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but you just get so worked up. Who knows how Sony will pull it off? We'll just have to see.

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#52 dynamitecop

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@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

That nicely sums up you and all of your arguments in a nutshell.

So you're just going to shit post and ignore the fact that the PlayStation 4 has HDMI 1.4 and the requirement for HDR is 2.0a.

Nice life.

No, I am simply pointing out **again** your basic behavior, which is to first be enraged by Sony's success, and then to make up all kinds of 'truths' to support your fictitious claims. It never ends with you. I guess that's the point, huh?

This is still shit posting, you're ignoring what is being said and going off on some diatribe about me.

Answer a question, if the output hardware only supports HDMI 1.4 spec, how can it perform HDR if the spec requirement for it is HDMI 2.0a?

I have no idea how it can perform HDR. Really, I don't. I'm not ignoring what you're saying--I am utterly without a good answer to give you. The point I am trying to make is that you, as well, are without an answer. Just own that, dude. You don't have the facts. You just have speculation. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but you just get so worked up. Who knows how Sony will pull it off? We'll just have to see.

Let me post something that should clear things right up.

"Current UHD 4k industry standards require an HDMI 2.0a connection with HDCP 2.2 enabled to support HDR10 and Dolby Vision, the competing HDR standards. Both the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One launched in 2013 with HDMI 1.4 support, which offers some support for expanded color gamuts, one component of the current HDR standards. HDMI 2.0a requires specific hardware to support HDR requirements, and while some devices can be upgraded from HDMI 2.0 to 2.0a, it's unclear if this is the case with the PS4's HDMI 1.4 output. You can't upgrade a 1.4 hdmi port to a 2.2 HDCP enabled, you can't have HDR in a non 4K TV with a signal that isn't at a MINIMUM upscaled to 4k. But awesome story bro. Keep believing in magic. If you believe in magic then i guess it can be reality that 2013 ps4 with 1.4 HDMI protocol can support HDR."

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#53 deactivated-5c0b07b32bf03

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@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

So you're just going to shit post and ignore the fact that the PlayStation 4 has HDMI 1.4 and the requirement for HDR is 2.0a.

Nice life.

No, I am simply pointing out **again** your basic behavior, which is to first be enraged by Sony's success, and then to make up all kinds of 'truths' to support your fictitious claims. It never ends with you. I guess that's the point, huh?

This is still shit posting, you're ignoring what is being said and going off on some diatribe about me.

Answer a question, if the output hardware only supports HDMI 1.4 spec, how can it perform HDR if the spec requirement for it is HDMI 2.0a?

I have no idea how it can perform HDR. Really, I don't. I'm not ignoring what you're saying--I am utterly without a good answer to give you. The point I am trying to make is that you, as well, are without an answer. Just own that, dude. You don't have the facts. You just have speculation. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but you just get so worked up. Who knows how Sony will pull it off? We'll just have to see.

Let me post something that should clear things right up.

"Current UHD 4k industry standards require an HDMI 2.0a connection with HDCP 2.2 enabled to support HDR10 and Dolby Vision, the competing HDR standards. Both the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One launched in 2013 with HDMI 1.4 support, which offers some support for expanded color gamuts, one component of the current HDR standards. HDMI 2.0a requires specific hardware to support HDR requirements, and while some devices can be upgraded from HDMI 2.0 to 2.0a, it's unclear if this is the case with the PS4's HDMI 1.4 output. You can't upgrade a 1.4 hdmi port to a 2.2 HDCP enabled, you can't have HDR in a non 4K TV with a signal that isn't at a MINIMUM upscaled to 4k. But awesome story bro. Keep believing in magic. If you believe in magic then i guess it can be reality that 2013 ps4 with 1.4 HDMI protocol can support HDR."

Well, yeah. It's kind of a mystery. Like I said, we'll have to see. No one really knows what the Pro can do at this point. We'll find out soon enough. You have to understand, on a personal level, that I'm not some balls-to-the-wall diehard for Sony. As I've said before, I don't trust the company as far as I can spit on them. If the Pro turns out to be a solid device that is worth the price tag, I might pick it up. If not, and it's trash bin status, so be it. No loss for me.

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#54 Edited By N64DD

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@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

What would I need a link for? ~~The console's HDMI port hardware is HDMI 1.4, are you really that clueless? When 2.0a is the requirement for HDR, how do you figure they can achieve that with 1.4's much more limited bandwidth?~~

~~It has to be some kind of a trick, the same as the trick used with PSVR on the PlayStation 4, interpolating frames to replicate a higher framerate.~~

That nicely sums up you and all of your arguments in a nutshell.

So you're just going to shit post and ignore the fact that the PlayStation 4 has HDMI 1.4 and the requirement for HDR is 2.0a.

Nice life.

No, I am simply pointing out **again** your basic behavior, which is to first be enraged by Sony's success, and then to make up all kinds of 'truths' to support your fictitious claims. It never ends with you. I guess that's the point, huh?

This is still shit posting, you're ignoring what is being said and going off on some diatribe about me.

Answer a question, if the output hardware only supports HDMI 1.4 spec, how can it perform HDR if the spec requirement for it is HDMI 2.0a?

A link is needed because I never heard of HDR needing HDMI 2.0. I know that you should use 2.0 for full 4k support.

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#55 dynamitecop

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@reduc_ab_ said:

Well, yeah. It's kind of a mystery. Like I said, we'll have to see. No one really knows what the Pro can do at this point. We'll find out soon enough. You have to understand, on a personal level, that I'm not some balls-to-the-wall diehard for Sony. As I've said before, I don't trust the company as far as I can spit on them. If the Pro turns out to be a solid device that is worth the price tag, I might pick it up. If not, and it's trash bin status, so be it. No loss for me.

You must have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, I'm not talking about the Pro, that will absolutely have HDMI 2.0a, I'm talking about the PlayStation 4.

@n64dd said:

A link is needed because I never heard of HDR needing HDMI 2.0. I know that you should use 2.0 for full 4k support.

"What is it about HDR that requires the format extension?

There is additional metadata is that required to deliver the enhancements offered by HDR. HDMI 2.0a adds the ability for devices to be able to transmit/receive this metadata."

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0a_faq.aspx#149

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@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

Well, yeah. It's kind of a mystery. Like I said, we'll have to see. No one really knows what the Pro can do at this point. We'll find out soon enough. You have to understand, on a personal level, that I'm not some balls-to-the-wall diehard for Sony. As I've said before, I don't trust the company as far as I can spit on them. If the Pro turns out to be a solid device that is worth the price tag, I might pick it up. If not, and it's trash bin status, so be it. No loss for me.

You must have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, I'm not talking about the Pro, that will absolutely have HDMI 2.0a, I'm talking about the PlayStation 4.

@n64dd said:

A link is needed because I never heard of HDR needing HDMI 2.0. I know that you should use 2.0 for full 4k support.

"What is it about HDR that requires the format extension?

There is additional metadata is that required to deliver the enhancements offered by HDR. HDMI 2.0a adds the ability for devices to be able to transmit/receive this metadata."

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0a_faq.aspx#149

thanks for the link.

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#57 Edited By deactivated-5c0b07b32bf03

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@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

Well, yeah. It's kind of a mystery. Like I said, we'll have to see. No one really knows what the Pro can do at this point. We'll find out soon enough. You have to understand, on a personal level, that I'm not some balls-to-the-wall diehard for Sony. As I've said before, I don't trust the company as far as I can spit on them. If the Pro turns out to be a solid device that is worth the price tag, I might pick it up. If not, and it's trash bin status, so be it. No loss for me.

You must have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, I'm not talking about the Pro, that will absolutely have HDMI 2.0a, I'm talking about the PlayStation 4.

@n64dd said:

A link is needed because I never heard of HDR needing HDMI 2.0. I know that you should use 2.0 for full 4k support.

"What is it about HDR that requires the format extension?

There is additional metadata is that required to deliver the enhancements offered by HDR. HDMI 2.0a adds the ability for devices to be able to transmit/receive this metadata."

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0a_faq.aspx#149

Shit, my bad. This stuff is getting confusing. All these consoles/upgrades/whatever is making my head spin.

But yeah, as far as the PS4 supporting HDR, I REALLY don't know about that one. Believe it when I see it, but it seems like a stretch. Who knows.

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#58 dynamitecop

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@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

Well, yeah. It's kind of a mystery. Like I said, we'll have to see. No one really knows what the Pro can do at this point. We'll find out soon enough. You have to understand, on a personal level, that I'm not some balls-to-the-wall diehard for Sony. As I've said before, I don't trust the company as far as I can spit on them. If the Pro turns out to be a solid device that is worth the price tag, I might pick it up. If not, and it's trash bin status, so be it. No loss for me.

You must have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, I'm not talking about the Pro, that will absolutely have HDMI 2.0a, I'm talking about the PlayStation 4.

@n64dd said:

A link is needed because I never heard of HDR needing HDMI 2.0. I know that you should use 2.0 for full 4k support.

"What is it about HDR that requires the format extension?

There is additional metadata is that required to deliver the enhancements offered by HDR. HDMI 2.0a adds the ability for devices to be able to transmit/receive this metadata."

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0a_faq.aspx#149

Shit, my bad. This stuff is getting confusing. All these consoles/upgrades/whatever is making my head spin.

But yeah, as far as the PS4 supporting HDR, I REALLY don't know about that one. Believe it when I see it, but it seems like a stretch. Who knows.

It's okay, I forgive you.

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@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

Well, yeah. It's kind of a mystery. Like I said, we'll have to see. No one really knows what the Pro can do at this point. We'll find out soon enough. You have to understand, on a personal level, that I'm not some balls-to-the-wall diehard for Sony. As I've said before, I don't trust the company as far as I can spit on them. If the Pro turns out to be a solid device that is worth the price tag, I might pick it up. If not, and it's trash bin status, so be it. No loss for me.

You must have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, I'm not talking about the Pro, that will absolutely have HDMI 2.0a, I'm talking about the PlayStation 4.

@n64dd said:

A link is needed because I never heard of HDR needing HDMI 2.0. I know that you should use 2.0 for full 4k support.

"What is it about HDR that requires the format extension?

There is additional metadata is that required to deliver the enhancements offered by HDR. HDMI 2.0a adds the ability for devices to be able to transmit/receive this metadata."

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0a_faq.aspx#149

Shit, my bad. This stuff is getting confusing. All these consoles/upgrades/whatever is making my head spin.

But yeah, as far as the PS4 supporting HDR, I REALLY don't know about that one. Believe it when I see it, but it seems like a stretch. Who knows.

It's okay, I forgive you.

I'd like to see how they're going to pull the HDR off on the PS4. I have an HDR tv, is there any games that are being patches to HDR anytime soon? I wanna try it out.

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#60 Edited By dynamitecop

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@n64dd said:

@dynamitecop said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

You must have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, I'm not talking about the Pro, that will absolutely have HDMI 2.0a, I'm talking about the PlayStation 4.

"What is it about HDR that requires the format extension?

There is additional metadata is that required to deliver the enhancements offered by HDR. HDMI 2.0a adds the ability for devices to be able to transmit/receive this metadata."

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0a_faq.aspx#149

Shit, my bad. This stuff is getting confusing. All these consoles/upgrades/whatever is making my head spin.

But yeah, as far as the PS4 supporting HDR, I REALLY don't know about that one. Believe it when I see it, but it seems like a stretch. Who knows.

It's okay, I forgive you.

I'd like to see how they're going to pull the HDR off on the PS4. I have an HDR tv, is there any games that are being patches to HDR anytime soon? I wanna try it out.

I just don't think it's actually going to be HDR, it will likely be some kind of simulation of increased color gamut, a trick more or less. That's why I brought up the PSVR and its use of interpolated frames to fake a higher framerate, I see this PS4 HDR being similar in that regard.

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