Hate to... but this must be done! The best RPG's Ever made!

Okay so most of us have seen OUR THE Tidus22 fail epically over and over, but this is where I draw the line. His list was so made of fail I will have to write my own. Not only will I write my own but I will write one for every console that I think is worthy of an RPG top 10 list.!!

Sadly never owning a PS2 and being to stubborn to give up my GC for the better console. I cannot and will not make a PS2 list, I can only from my hand make a well made SNES and PS1 list. Also I don't play many RPG's on PC. Many say Oblivion was a great game, think about this I beat the D.brother hood, thief chain, mage chain, warrior chain, Gladiator chain, and Main story until it bugged out on the siege of that snowy town ( Cheydenhal maybe : / well w/e it was) all well staying at level 2. That isn't what I would call a good game, still a very good game to mess around in though, Fallout though! Now that is a game! What was that sweet perk Splatter house? That made everyone die in the most horrible way XD to awesome! Nes doesn't need a list its all good.

Lets start with the grand champ of all console gaming SUPER F***ing Nintendo!

Snes

1. Chrono trigger - Its the best RPG that has been made to date, its only competition is whats in number 2.

2. Final Fantasy 3/6 - If you think FF7 needed a movie and not FF6? Your a fanboy! This story is so damn good and Kefka is so damn badass, its not even funny!

3. Earth Bound/ Secret of mana 3/Seiken Densetsu 3 - This game is so damn good it is 1st on my list. Nothing will replace it! RUNAWAY 5!!! This game is soo good it has its own Rap song, and its pretty damn good, and I don't even like rap. http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01424/ SM3 was very well made, as far as I know there wasnt a SM2 realease or I have never heard of one. But it doesnt matter Sm3 takes enough names and kicks enough @$$ for SM2 and SM3 Personally >.> I liked the Amazon chich I liked the way her classes turned out and I always took the paladin as a side charecter along with the super evil warlock mage chich :D. Also if you didnt know >.> if you turn on your first back ground filter and there is a sleeping person near you, it will see under the blankets and show you a nude avatar * Shh* i didnt tell you ^^

4. Secret of Mana - Cannons! Crazy little dwarfs! Upgradable weapons! Multiplayer! This game had all that and case of Balls.

5. Secret of Evermore/Star ocean - Your dog eats face. You could cast like a million things at once. It had great tunes. It had Bazookas. It had more then you needed, but still kept giving! I dont have the will in me to remove Secret of Evermore but after long and hard convincing the light has been brought to my eyes that starocean is as great if not great then secret of evermore. Sadly I had to wait for the rom version to be able to play it :(

6. Terranigma - A rare game, in fact it never hit the states as far as I know, so what your gonna wanna do is find "other" means to play this very awesome game.

7. Breath of Fire 2 - Many say 1 is a better game, but I think the speed and a combat revamp was all that game needed, and in Breath of fire 2 it got exactly that.

8. Final Fantasy 2/4 - I had a crush on Rydia, that probably the only reason this makes the list for me. That and Kain was a dragoon, and dragoons are badass. Cecile was a winine emo dark knight then a courageous yet flaming paladin lose and lose for him am afraid.

9. Super mario RPG -= It could be higher, but it was a bit easy for any RPG's standards. Between frogofushous and other sweet charecters (Axem rangers, Smithy, Jeno, Mario, No luigi *wink*) this game had more then enough to make any list in and SNES genre.. Well one involving Mario or RPG's XD.

10.Illusions of Gaia - It shouldn't be so low on the list, but lets face it. IT WAS HARD, like battletoads hard, if you were a kid without a dad who played games you made it to the pyramid and no further. If you did manage to beat this game all on your own, even back before the days of the Internet guides. My hats of to you sir! ( Was it me or was the Russian roulette glass always in the middle?)

PS1 The 2nd in command has some very fine titles LOOK IT OVER!

1. Suikoden 2 - Don't challenge this its the best, and always will be the best on the system, with loadable date to get MCdaol in your party so he can soul eater the hell out of your enemies how could this be bad, which brings me to #2!

2. Suikoden - You get a dragons castle as your own after you melt his face, then you gather and army and take over your country! After all this you just take your bag and best friend and walk right into Suikoden 2! If thats not epic enough then play S2 and have one of the best female leads ever to be in a game in your party, EVER! ( Better then that sk**k arisis ).

3. Legend of Mana - Unleashing giant movies that had sweet effects with a creat your own map and so many side quests it would make even a vertern gamer tired to do them all this game rocked! Giant talking mountains and trees also make everything better!

4. FF7 - You know why this game is here? Of course you do! Among sweet characters like Barret Cid and Tifa, You had some really terrible ones. Caitsith >.> am looking at you buddie. On top of the great characters though this game had some awesome stuff like a **** load of FMV which kicked ass at the time, but now is kinda boring, you had FULL 3d BATTLES! AND SWEET KICK ASS LIMITE BREAKS!. The main reason i put this here is for one sole reason, its on PC and has been remade with better Graphix and sound and its soooooo much sweeter.

5. Breath of Fire 3 - You got to tell fairys to go out and hunt and kill animals, this in my head is a thing of greatness. Don't question the game either setting out on a mission to inevitbly kill *Blank* just like the other Breath of fires is sweet! For those that understand *Blank* dont ruin it for the non players. Also Turning into a dragon once again is freaking awesome.

6.Thousand Arms - Date chicks to make better weapons... The real world isnt even that cool. Unique combat system and great sotry to.

7. Sage frontier - Massive combos fastest paced battle system ever, learning new movies 7 independent stories 6 of which are great. ( Slaps Riki) Now many side Characters don't get honorable mention in my posts but Gen is the Mother F***ing man! If you don't know Gen you don't know Sh**. To bad Sage frontier 2 Sucked so much beaner.

8. Valkyrie Profile -= Yes this game slipped my mind, but thats cause my burned copy didnt let me finish the game *angry*, It had great combat and an intresting charecter building system where you would send your newly invited Aesire ( I think) To fight for Odin in the war to end all wars Ragnorok ( Armafukinggeddon man!) It had very nice style to the game to you flew around listened for voice and collected sweet weapons and either kept them for your self or gave them to Odin :D Either way this game had bounds for a squel written all over it, it got one who knew :0!

9. Star ocean - 250 level, Infinite Dungeon or so it might have seemed to people.( It was just really deep) and a boss that would eat you alive if you weren't hella good! Plus 40 + endings. Needed multiplayer.

10. Tales of Destiny - Multi-player up 4 people, Sweet tower of Druga, Cool characters and 80+ hours of game, cool spells and skills to boot!

I can't believe you put Secret of Evermore on top 10........

Also Breath of Fire 2 was pretty bad. Poor balance between characters, poor pacing, poor storyline. Breath of Fire might've had more simplier combat system, but it had better pacing and better storyline with better character balance.

And I can't believe you didn't put Star Ocean on SNES top 10 list.

And Legend of Mana over FFVII? C'mon. And no Valkyrie Profile and there is Breath of Fire 3? Which is easily worst of the series?

Also Suikoden series is good, but not that good.

You need to work that list again.

My favorite rpgs would have to be

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

Pokemon Red/Blue/Silver/Gold/Ruby/You get the picture

and Golden Sun

The Perk in _Falloout ur looking for is Bloodymess:P

Good console rpgy lists btw,you just missed Super Mario RPG for the SNES add it and its fine by me:)

I can't believe you put Secret of Evermore on top 10........

Also Breath of Fire 2 was pretty bad. Poor balance between characters, poor pacing, poor storyline. Breath of Fire might've had more simplier combat system, but it had better pacing and better storyline with better character balance.

And I can't believe you didn't put Star Ocean on SNES top 10 list.

And Legend of Mana over FFVII? C'mon. And no Valkyrie Profile and there is Breath of Fire 3? Which is easily worst of the series?

Also Suikoden series is good, but not that good.

You need to work that list again.

TriangleHard

No I dont well not with all of that, and to me FF7 barely should make that spot. Valkyrie Profile is the only place your right! Star Ocean on Snes was not better then any of the games I listed. Breath of Fire 2 and 3 are great games, Legend of Mana rapes FF7's Uninspied gameplay, and craptastic villian and main charecter are the reason for it failing so hard. Sepheroth was as lame as Death-X from FF5. Cloud was as cry baby as Cecile from FF2.

After I have thought about it am putting FF7 wher it belongs.

I will be adding the 2 following games they skipped my mind for some reason. * Super mario RPG, and Valkyrie Profile.

Is this a joke cause its not very funny ;) Best RPGs ever made is subject to opinion not fact, thus this thread is useless.

But these wouldn't even make the list...

Secret of Evermore, BOF2, Terranigma, Paladin Quest, Illusions of Gaia, Legend of Mana, Thousand Arms, Saga Frontier, Wild Arms (maybe 2) and Tales of Destiny (many others out shine this piece of junk).

Nice try but those games shouldn't even make the list period.

it has to be oblivion. i hate rpg and loved oblivion, it was that good.rdo

Because it wasn't a true RPG, its more of an action game

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]

I can't believe you put Secret of Evermore on top 10........

Also Breath of Fire 2 was pretty bad. Poor balance between characters, poor pacing, poor storyline. Breath of Fire might've had more simplier combat system, but it had better pacing and better storyline with better character balance.

And I can't believe you didn't put Star Ocean on SNES top 10 list.

And Legend of Mana over FFVII? C'mon. And no Valkyrie Profile and there is Breath of Fire 3? Which is easily worst of the series?

Also Suikoden series is good, but not that good.

You need to work that list again.

MeadAndCheese

No I dont well not with all of that, and to me FF7 barely should make that spot. Valkyrie Profile is the only place your right! Star Ocean on Snes was not better then any of the games I listed. Breath of Fire 2 and 3 are great games, Legend of Mana rapes FF7's Uninspied gameplay, and craptastic villian and main charecter are the reason for it failing so hard. Sepheroth was as lame as Death-X from FF5. Cloud was as cry baby as Cecile from FF2.

After I have thought about it am putting FF7 wher it belongs.

I will be adding the 2 following games they skipped my mind for some reason. * Super mario RPG, and Valkyrie Profile.

Star Ocean had all the elements of Star Ocean 2 (character recruit, solo town exploration etc), and it was SNES game with better story and combat system.

Breath of Fire 4 was better than Breath of Fire 3 by large margin. Breath of Fire 2 was one of the most disappointing RPGs of SNES era.

Final Fantasy VII uses the traditional ATB system that is widely popular and enhanced it with materia system which gave player freedom to customize it as they want. Sephiroth is still widely known as one of the greatest villian and had set of one of the most interesting cast of characters.

Also, where's Grandia?

it has to be oblivion. i hate rpg and loved oblivion, it was that good.rdo

[QUOTE="rdo"]it has to be oblivion. i hate rpg and loved oblivion, it was that good.Lonelynight

Because it wasn't a true RPG, its more of an action game

Yeah pretty much what he said Action/adventure,RPG light in every department!

Star Ocean had all the elements of Star Ocean 2 (character recruit, solo town exploration etc), and it was SNES game with better story and combat system.

Breath of Fire 4 was better than Breath of Fire 3 by large margin. Breath of Fire 2 was one of the most disappointing RPGs of SNES era.

Final Fantasy VII uses the traditional ATB system that is widely popular and enhanced it with materia system which gave player freedom to customize it as they want. Sephiroth is still widely known as one of the greatest villian and had set of one of the most interesting cast of characters.

Also, where's Grandia?

TriangleHard

Seph is lame get over it. Sorry to tell all of you FF guys but FF7 is 4th in the greater of the series.

People saying Tales of destiny is junk.. and I thought you were all gamers.. Sigh. Grandia 1 was not as good it was boring the Voice acting for battle scene was as bad as the voice over for advent children.

Secret of Evermore is by the best Action/RPG/Adventure ever made. Well that i have played thats forsure.

Breath of Fire 2 started most of the great elements of the breath of fire games. Your own town, good charecters (Great if one was Blue) and it didnt drag out like number 4. Which by far the worst of the 4 that I played. It didnt follow the breath of fire tradition story like the other 3, I dont even get why its a breath of fire ? Ryu Kills god thats the game and thats the way it should stay, it didnt change for 3 runs why change at 4?

You thought Illusion of Gaia was hard? Wow. I beat that game I don't know how many times. I never found it that challenging. Besides, can it really count as an RPG? And FFVI... I will agree that the game is pretty epic, but I just could never be bothered to finish the last part of the game, since the story falls apart completely. Anyway, here's my list of favorites: 1. Chrono Trigger (SNES) - Needs no explanation. 2. Star Ocean II (PS1) - Great characters and gameplay, 80+ endings, great OST, all around-epic. 3. FFVIII (PS1) - My favorite FF. I'm not really sure why. 4. Planescape: Torment (PC) - Great characters, story, and dialogue. Just plain awesome. 5. KOTOR (PC) - Star Wars at its finest. 6. Morrowind (PC) - Elder Scrolls at its finest. 7. Baten Kaitos: Origins (GC) - Perfected the first game in every way. Great story, wonderful characters and humorous dialogue. 8. FFV (SNES) - My favorite old-school FF. What can I say? 9. Phantasy Star I (SMS) - My first real introduction to RPGs. Really great for its time, in graphics, gameplay, and story. 10. FFVII (PS1) - Had to be here. Honorable mentions go to Tales of Symphonia (GC), Skies of Arcadia (GC), and Breath of Fire IV.bexarath

Not sure I get this one, I found that game to be all around kinda meh.

I also must have played a crappy FFV (PS1 version slow load times and all) but it may have tainted the game for cause I didn't kind it to be all that great. Job system was neat and all but honeslty who used a good majority of the weaker jobs? It gave that bad taste in my outh like FF3 DS did, so many jobs, so many usless ones to.

[QUOTE="bexarath"]You thought Illusion of Gaia was hard? Wow. I beat that game I don't know how many times. I never found it that challenging. Besides, can it really count as an RPG? And FFVI... I will agree that the game is pretty epic, but I just could never be bothered to finish the last part of the game, since the story falls apart completely. Anyway, here's my list of favorites: 1. Chrono Trigger (SNES) - Needs no explanation. 2. Star Ocean II (PS1) - Great characters and gameplay, 80+ endings, great OST, all around-epic. 3. FFVIII (PS1) - My favorite FF. I'm not really sure why. 4. Planescape: Torment (PC) - Great characters, story, and dialogue. Just plain awesome. 5. KOTOR (PC) - Star Wars at its finest. 6. Morrowind (PC) - Elder Scrolls at its finest. 7. Baten Kaitos: Origins (GC) - Perfected the first game in every way. Great story, wonderful characters and humorous dialogue. 8. FFV (SNES) - My favorite old-school FF. What can I say? 9. Phantasy Star I (SMS) - My first real introduction to RPGs. Really great for its time, in graphics, gameplay, and story. 10. FFVII (PS1) - Had to be here. Honorable mentions go to Tales of Symphonia (GC), Skies of Arcadia (GC), and Breath of Fire IV.MeadAndCheese

Not sure I get this one, I found that game to be all around kinda meh.

I also must have played a crappy FFV (PS1 version slow load times and all) but it may have tainted the game for cause I didn't kind it to be all that great. Job system was neat and all but honeslty who used a good majority of the weaker jobs? It gave that bad taste in my outh like FF3 DS did, so many jobs, so many usless ones to.

Earthbound doesn't even deserve to be up there. And where's Final Fantsay V? Or Dragon Quest V or VI? You're counting games that weren't released in America, so those should count too.Video_Game_King

Cant say I played the Dragon quest games all that much, played all the dragon warriors back on the NES, but yeah. Hmm I will read up on the ones you mentioned and see if they can take a spot from one of the other games ( Cough FF7 cough)

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]

Star Ocean had all the elements of Star Ocean 2 (character recruit, solo town exploration etc), and it was SNES game with better story and combat system.

Breath of Fire 4 was better than Breath of Fire 3 by large margin. Breath of Fire 2 was one of the most disappointing RPGs of SNES era.

Final Fantasy VII uses the traditional ATB system that is widely popular and enhanced it with materia system which gave player freedom to customize it as they want. Sephiroth is still widely known as one of the greatest villian and had set of one of the most interesting cast of characters.

Also, where's Grandia?

MeadAndCheese

Seph is lame get over it. Sorry to tell all of you FF guys but FF7 is 4th in the greater of the series.

People saying Tales of destiny is junk.. and I thought you were all gamers.. Sigh. Grandia 1 was not as good it was boring the Voice acting for battle scene was as bad as the voice over for advent children.

Secret of Evermore is by the best Action/RPG/Adventure ever made. Well that i have played thats forsure.

Breath of Fire 2 started most of the great elements of the breath of fire games. Your own town, good charecters (Great if one was Blue) and it didnt drag out like number 4. Which by far the worst of the 4 that I played. It didnt follow the breath of fire tradition story like the other 3, I dont even get why its a breath of fire ? Ryu Kills god thats the game and thats the way it should stay, it didnt change for 3 runs why change at 4?

Sephiroth had some serious Oedipus complex, but so did Sakaguchi during that time due to losing his mother. At least they story did evolve quite well with that Oedipus complex theme.

Final Fantasy 7 is best of Final Fantasy. What I don't understand is overrating of Final Fantasy 6 which had really broken level up system with Espers and really poor story telling once it goes to World of Ruins. Not to mention poor detail of story.

Tales of Destiny was alright, but rest of Tales series is pretty bad. Offering one of the worst combat system besides Star Ocean 3 and Xenosaga 2. Also one of the worst dungeon layout.

Grandia offers one of the most strategic and deep combat system in JRPG genre, and unique dining system really enhance that detailed story telling. The pacing is fairly slow, but that was the beauty of the game very much in Dragon Quest-ish style.

Breath of Fire 2 had terrible elements of Breath of Fire games. The great balanced characters was gone. The great pacing and balance between monster and character was gone. The drama was gone and left with really bad jokes.

Breath of Fire 4 had to chance it's roots because Breath of Fire 3 left really terrible after taste to many fans, and did excellent job with more complicated storyline, balance of characters, pacing, and working combat system for a change.

Secret of Evermore was the worst Action RPG from Square I can remember. The mood was left bland with lack of music and the graphic was inferior compared to Secret of Mana. Technically it was superior, but thanks to poor art design everything was really bland. Level design was quite poor as well with exploration being hassell. It was broken version of Secret of Mana.

[QUOTE="MeadAndCheese"]

[QUOTE="bexarath"]You thought Illusion of Gaia was hard? Wow. I beat that game I don't know how many times. I never found it that challenging. Besides, can it really count as an RPG? And FFVI... I will agree that the game is pretty epic, but I just could never be bothered to finish the last part of the game, since the story falls apart completely. Anyway, here's my list of favorites: 1. Chrono Trigger (SNES) - Needs no explanation. 2. Star Ocean II (PS1) - Great characters and gameplay, 80+ endings, great OST, all around-epic. 3. FFVIII (PS1) - My favorite FF. I'm not really sure why. 4. Planescape: Torment (PC) - Great characters, story, and dialogue. Just plain awesome. 5. KOTOR (PC) - Star Wars at its finest. 6. Morrowind (PC) - Elder Scrolls at its finest. 7. Baten Kaitos: Origins (GC) - Perfected the first game in every way. Great story, wonderful characters and humorous dialogue. 8. FFV (SNES) - My favorite old-school FF. What can I say? 9. Phantasy Star I (SMS) - My first real introduction to RPGs. Really great for its time, in graphics, gameplay, and story. 10. FFVII (PS1) - Had to be here. Honorable mentions go to Tales of Symphonia (GC), Skies of Arcadia (GC), and Breath of Fire IV.bexarath

Not sure I get this one, I found that game to be all around kinda meh.

I also must have played a crappy FFV (PS1 version slow load times and all) but it may have tainted the game for cause I didn't kind it to be all that great. Job system was neat and all but honeslty who used a good majority of the weaker jobs? It gave that bad taste in my outh like FF3 DS did, so many jobs, so many usless ones to.

Battle on the Big bridge! Yeah man that game did have rocking tunes like Mystic quest style XD I forgot. Maybe it should hold a place up there I forgot about so much of that game. It was hella long as I remember and yeah I guess weaker jobs give a challenge, but if you want a challenge I dont think RPG's are the place for it : /

@ Triangle

Not sure why you got it out for Secret f evermore, I can still play that game more then secret of mana, but to each his own. I will refine the list a bit but still you should not have said FF7 was the best FF.

I hated grandia to be honest, I got the the end of the world and wouldnt go further, I didnt like the combat and didnt like the charecters. Grandia 3 however I have had the pleasure of seeing my bro play a bit and it would make my PS2 list if i could ever make one in a heart beat.

FF 3 is the best then FF 4 then FF 1 then FFV and FFVI can battle it out for 4th. The first 3 are undisputable aside from moving them within the first 3 spots (eg FF1 FF3 FF4 to be an example.)

Battle on the Big bridge! Yeah man that game did have rocking tunes like Mystic quest style XD I forgot. Maybe it should hold a place up there I forgot about so much of that game. It was hella long as I remember and yeah I guess weaker jobs give a challenge, but if you want a challenge I dont think RPG's are the place for it : /

MeadAndCheese

[QUOTE="MeadAndCheese"]

Battle on the Big bridge! Yeah man that game did have rocking tunes like Mystic quest style XD I forgot. Maybe it should hold a place up there I forgot about so much of that game. It was hella long as I remember and yeah I guess weaker jobs give a challenge, but if you want a challenge I dont think RPG's are the place for it : /

bexarath

Crazy talk, you say Illusion is easy but emerald weapon and that Queen ( I think it was a queen) after you beat the cave of trials and played the trumpet were hard?!? We must be better players at differnt things. Illusions of gaia rocked me over on finding gems and puzzels.

Although I can agree that the queen (She was a queen right?) After cave of trials was pretty tough just not at 250 with the Star sword ( Or the sword that shoots starts). Emerald weapon was way to easy though Knights of the round, Last move materia ( what ever let you cast a spell before you died thingy) and phonix ruined that game for me :( so easy. Also the insane counter magic and materia combos just made you way to powerful.

All be it I guess puzzels are my weakness. ; ;

Edit: Water breathing materia was also a big factor in emerald weapon when you werent a crazy insane high lvl.

@ Triangle

Not sure why you got it out for Secret f evermore, I can still play that game more then secret of mana, but to each his own. I will refine the list a bit but still you should not have said FF7 was the best FF.

I hated grandia to be honest, I got the the end of the world and wouldnt go further, I didnt like the combat and didnt like the charecters. Grandia 3 however I have had the pleasure of seeing my bro play a bit and it would make my PS2 list if i could ever make one in a heart beat.

FF 3 is the best then FF 4 then FF 1 then FFV and FFVI can battle it out for 4th. The first 3 are undisputable aside from moving them within the first 3 spots (eg FF1 FF3 FF4 to be an example.)

MeadAndCheese

Secret of Mana to be is the best Action RPG I've ever played. Perhaps because of that my expectation of Secret of Evermore was too great.

Also maybe addtion of bitterness of not getting Seiken Densetsu 3 might've added to it. But Secret of Evermore disappointed me when I played it like 15 (how long has it been?) years ago, while Seiken Densetsu 3 was excellent when I played it 3 years ago.

The presentation of Secret of Evermore was quite poor to my eyes with bland music and art design. Also story wasn't epic like Secret of Mana.

I loved Grandia, and remains as one of my favorite JRPG. If you think Grandia 3 looks great, I don't know why you can't find Grandia 1 attractive because they have almost identical battle system and Grandia is only game of the series where story was actually good enough to follow.

Final Fantasy 6 to me was one of the worst Final Fantasy I've played. The world was dark and gloomy, the mixture of technology and medievil setting didn't settle in with me that well. Previous FF games did have that too but technology felt more in place using wooden airship etc. Not robot army then there is stone built castles with Nazi looking like soilders attacking. Also the story of FFVI failed to capture me because it was divided into too many piece with each individual characters. While all these characters recieved some spotlight, but none of them really had much progression except handful and so many of their story was left untold like Shadow, leaving the game largely feeling like it was left unfinished. Also after World of Ruins, they didn't even bother trying to come up with plausible plot and just wrapped it up in a hurry. Really poor development of story and character development.

FFIV was quite poor too. It was big game only because it was first game that had ATB system first introduced but other than that, it was very mediocre all the way through. The story, the characters, etc.

I haven't liked Final Fantasy series that much actually until Final Fantasy 7 came out. Before then, I was big Dragon Quest fan and I saw Final Fantasy series as second tier RPG franchise, but that quickly changed with Final Fantasy 7. It won be over and until now I recongnize it as greatest RPG franchise yet.

[QUOTE="MeadAndCheese"]

Secret of Mana to be is the best Action RPG I've ever played. Perhaps because of that my expectation of Secret of Evermore was too great.

Also maybe addtion of bitterness of not getting Seiken Densetsu 3 might've added to it. But Secret of Evermore disappointed me when I played it like 15 (how long has it been?) years ago, while Seiken Densetsu 3 was excellent when I played it 3 years ago.

The presentation of Secret of Evermore was quite poor to my eyes with bland music and art design. Also story wasn't epic like Secret of Mana.

I loved Grandia, and remains as one of my favorite JRPG. If you think Grandia 3 looks great, I don't know why you can't find Grandia 1 attractive because they have almost identical battle system and Grandia is only game of the series where story was actually good enough to follow.

Final Fantasy 6 to me was one of the worst Final Fantasy I've played. The world was dark and gloomy, the mixture of technology and medievil setting didn't settle in with me that well. Previous FF games did have that too but technology felt more in place using wooden airship etc. Not robot army then there is stone built castles with Nazi looking like soilders attacking. Also the story of FFVI failed to capture me because it was divided into too many piece with each individual characters. While all these characters recieved some spotlight, but none of them really had much progression except handful and so many of their story was left untold like Shadow, leaving the game largely feeling like it was left unfinished. Also after World of Ruins, they didn't even bother trying to come up with plausible plot and just wrapped it up in a hurry. Really poor development of story and character development.

FFIV was quite poor too. It was big game only because it was first game that had ATB system first introduced but other than that, it was very mediocre all the way through. The story, the characters, etc.

I haven't liked Final Fantasy series that much actually until Final Fantasy 7 came out. Before then, I was big Dragon Quest fan and I saw Final Fantasy series as second tier RPG franchise, but that quickly changed with Final Fantasy 7. It won be over and until now I recongnize it as greatest RPG franchise yet.

TriangleHard

Oh I see Secret of Mana 3/Seiken Densetsu 3 was realy, really really damn good, I shoudl include that in my list. i just have only gotten to play most of those gams threw emulator. Same with Star Ocean 2/1 ? *confused*. I personaly really liked FF6 I played it back when i didnt have Net and endded up being 100% complete once I had the chance to look everything up.

I agree there was a bunch of charecter devlopmet missing from FF6 though Terra and General Leo really should not have been split up like that, it broke my poor gamer heart :( Shadows story gets filled in with the dreams pretty good, I hear it was way more complete in the FF6 in Japan but even the re-realease dnt contain the full set of dreams. All in all its got some really great stories tied in ti though. Edgar and Sabin, Celes and Locke, the Opera scene *Giddy*, I just love that game to death.

Am gonna go include SM 3 and Star ocean in that SNES list. They were great games and i should have gave them a better chance I was playing them when it was GC era ( No games on GC so i had to do something ) I may have been harder on teh critque of them at an older stage.

Oh I see Secret of Mana 3/Seiken Densetsu 3 was realy, really really damn good, I shoudl include that in my list. i just have only gotten to play most of those gams threw emulator. Same with Star Ocean 2/1 ? *confused*. I personaly really liked FF6 I played it back when i didnt have Net and endded up being 100% complete once I had the chance to look everything up.

I agree there was a bunch of charecter devlopmet missing from FF6 though Terra and General Leo really should not have been split up like that, it broke my poor gamer heart :( Shadows story gets filled in with the dreams pretty good, I hear it was way more complete in the FF6 in Japan but even the re-realease dnt contain the full set of dreams. All in all its got some really great stories tied in ti though. Edgar and Sabin, Celes and Locke, the Opera scene *Giddy*, I just love that game to death.

Am gonna go include SM 3 and Star ocean in that SNES list. They were great games and i should have gave them a better chance I was playing them when it was GC era ( No games on GC so i had to do something ) I may have been harder on teh critque of them at an older stage.

MeadAndCheese

Star Ocean has weird naming going.

First game is called Star Ocean, which is SNES game and second game is called Star Ocean: Second Story, which is PS1 game.

First Star Ocean is really good. I played it imported, and had no clue wtf they were saying but I just knew how good it was because of excellent graphic, combat system, and so many stuff to do I had no clue about until I played translated roms (thank god for emulators)

It was a waste of money to import it, but it didn't feel like waste of money because it seemed so good. I confirmed it was good not that long ago with emulator, and after playing it all the way through, I couldn't help but to shake my head thinking what a disaster Star Ocean series turned out to be. Star Ocean 2 was alright compared to first one, but 3rd one was just a shame to the franchise.

Final Fantasy VI is second most disappointing Final Fantasy game to me right after Final Fantasy VIII. The beginning had great potential. The political storyline, the rebel army (bit of Star Wars theme in a way), and king who has false alliance with empire and supporting rebel army.

It was going well, but then FFVI chucked away all the political storyline and concentrated on more fantasy based storyline with Espers and while doing that, the story started to move away from overall plot to more character related plot. Even then I was ok with it.

Then they chucked it all away with no characters really getting much attention nor the plot staying fantasy based of Espers nor political. It was just one man show of a mad clown. Then I was just plain disappointed with it because they had a chance to create great plot, but just kept taking odd twist without developing anything. Very disappointing, and one of the reason why I think Sakaguchi is overrated. Only Final Fantasy game I can remember that kept the nature of story from beginning to the end was Final Fantasy 7. Perhaps that's why I like FFVII so much. When FFVII had a plot twist, it made sense and it affected the entire game to that point. It made you look back and see things differently.

Fallout 1&2

Planescape: Torment

@ Triangle

Star ocean is on there now :D

I agree with that, I never thought about it very much but yes FF7 really does stick to one thing the whole time, well 3 things I guess. Could killing Seph, saving the planet, and taking down shinra. With a little less of number 3 because the Diamond weapon went and blew away Midgar tower.

If there is one thing that I just dont like about FF7 it has to be Cloud and Spheroth, they just seem so blah to me. The one thing that really made me hate FF7 so much was the will power of cloud, when he gave Seph the black materia I was like " You are one giant worthless worm of a charecter I should replace you with Red13 you d***he!"

I guess the reason FF6 jumps around so much is so does the super power of the game. I mean Empire starts off with it, then the Espers eat the empire, Kekfa takes it from the espers by getting all powerd up by the statues then it all dissapears as all the espers die with the statues when you finish the game and all. I can see how many would find that kinda agravationg though.

4. Secret of Mana - Cannons! Crazy little dwarfs! Upgradable weapons! Multiplayer! This game had all that and case of Balls.MeadAndCheese

@ Triangle

Star ocean is on there now :D

I agree with that, I never thought about it very much but yes FF7 really does stick to one thing the whole time, well 3 things I guess. Could killing Seph, saving the planet, and taking down shinra. With a little less of number 3 because the Diamond weapon went and blew away Midgar tower.

If there is one thing that I just dont like about FF7 it has to be Cloud and Spheroth, they just seem so blah to me. The one thing that really made me hate FF7 so much was the will power of cloud, when he gave Seph the black materia I was like " You are one giant worthless worm of a charecter I should replace you with Red13 you d***he!"

I guess the reason FF6 jumps around so much is so does the super power of the game. I mean Empire starts off with it, then the Espers eat the empire, Kekfa takes it from the espers by getting all powerd up by the statues then it all dissapears as all the espers die with the statues when you finish the game and all. I can see how many would find that kinda agravationg though.

MeadAndCheese

awesome :D

I agree with Cloud and Sephiroth not being much of characters you can really get attached to, but such personality was needed to play their roles perfectly for the story. I think that is good enough for them. I personally was attached to Cloud (that sounds so wrong), because he was character shrouded with mystery. They Cloud we saw wasn't Cloud, but he was actually more of Zack. Cloud for the 90% of the game was more of combination of Zack, Sephiroth, and memories of Cloud. Also, Cloud giving up that black materia was not annoying as Kain from FFIV. Ugh talk about an @$$. Every time he joined my party I KNEW he will betray me. I always had urge to attack him and often did, and that b@stard had the nerve to aim for my girl Rosa too.

Also you have to admit FFVII had strong cast of female characters.

Here is my list:

1)Baldurs Gate II (PC)
2) Pool of Radiance (PC)
3) Wasteland (PC)
4) Starflight (PC)
5) Baldurs Gate (PC)
6) Elder Scrolls III Moorwind (Xbox, yes I enjoyed it more on Xbox than PC)
7) Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox)
8) Chronotrigger (SNES)
9) Tactics Ogre (PS1)
10) Diablo II (PC)

IMO.

Pool of Radiance? The graphics on that game suck.

You camp, and they show you a picture of a campfire for goodness sake.

You walk around on a freaking map :o

I can't believe you put Secret of Evermore on top 10........

Also Breath of Fire 2 was pretty bad. Poor balance between characters, poor pacing, poor storyline. Breath of Fire might've had more simplier combat system, but it had better pacing and better storyline with better character balance.

And I can't believe you didn't put Star Ocean on SNES top 10 list.

And Legend of Mana over FFVII? C'mon. And no Valkyrie Profile and there is Breath of Fire 3? Which is easily worst of the series?

Also Suikoden series is good, but not that good.

You need to work that list again.

TriangleHard

*face palm*

seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7.

seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. Tamarind_Face

What a bad list, only JRPGS which are not RPGs at all :SDrukter

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]

I can't believe you put Secret of Evermore on top 10........

Also Breath of Fire 2 was pretty bad. Poor balance between characters, poor pacing, poor storyline. Breath of Fire might've had more simplier combat system, but it had better pacing and better storyline with better character balance.

And I can't believe you didn't put Star Ocean on SNES top 10 list.

And Legend of Mana over FFVII? C'mon. And no Valkyrie Profile and there is Breath of Fire 3? Which is easily worst of the series?

Also Suikoden series is good, but not that good.

You need to work that list again.

Tamarind_Face

*face palm*

seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7.

I played it, and I love Suikoden series.

Still not THAT good. It does great job imitating Romance of the Three Kingdom story with fantasy twist to it, but Final Fantasy VII tops it with better presentation, better pacing, and excellent storyline with perfect use of plot twists.

Also I'm willing to bet I played more JRPGs than you. It's been my favorite genre since NES era, and that's the genre I play most.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. Jandurin

What a bad list, only JRPGS which are not RPGs at all :SDrukter

Nah, the only real RPGs dont need stats at all, it needs good characters, MULTIPLE choices, not just good and evil and neutral, consequences that affect the world and your surrondings.

Playing an RPG should be like writing your own book and not reading one like you do in JRPG. In JRPG you can't make ANY difference at ALL, the story is already linear, your characters already has his own personality, all you do is read a story and fight battles. That is turned based action game imo. JRPGs got nothing that actually defines the RPG genre.

And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. Drukter

What a bad list, only JRPGS which are not RPGs at all :SDrukter

Nah, the only real RPGs dont need stats at all, it needs good characters, MULTIPLE choices, not just good and evil and neutral, consequences that affect the world and your surrondings.

Playing an RPG should be like writing your own book and not reading one like you do in JRPG. In JRPG you can't make ANY difference at ALL, the story is already linear, your characters already has his own personality, all you do is read a story and fight battles. That is turned based action game imo. JRPGs got nothing that actually defines the RPG genre.

And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure.

Didn't you just say that Oblivion was not a RPG??!?!?!?!? Are you kidding??? Someone tell me his kidding!

You, my friend, are freaking crazy. Where are all the really great RPGs?!?!?! Games like Baldur's Gate 1&2, Morrowind, Oblivion, and KoTOR 1&2. All you listed were JRPGs!!!!! Something must be done to convince you that not everything that comes from Japan is godly.Ninjasonparade

You didn't read his list carefully.

He states games for SNES and PS1/PS2.

none of those games were on PS1 and PS2.

Come to think of it, Shadowrun I guess can sneak into top 10 RPG list for SNES.

[QUOTE="Drukter"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. Ninjasonparade

What a bad list, only JRPGS which are not RPGs at all :SDrukter

Nah, the only real RPGs dont need stats at all, it needs good characters, MULTIPLE choices, not just good and evil and neutral, consequences that affect the world and your surrondings.

Playing an RPG should be like writing your own book and not reading one like you do in JRPG. In JRPG you can't make ANY difference at ALL, the story is already linear, your characters already has his own personality, all you do is read a story and fight battles. That is turned based action game imo. JRPGs got nothing that actually defines the RPG genre.

And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure.

Didn't you just say that Oblivion was not a RPG??!?!?!?!? Are you kidding??? Someone tell me his kidding!

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=129 Read and understand. It's not. Fact.

[QUOTE="Drukter"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. Ninjasonparade

What a bad list, only JRPGS which are not RPGs at all :SDrukter

Nah, the only real RPGs dont need stats at all, it needs good characters, MULTIPLE choices, not just good and evil and neutral, consequences that affect the world and your surrondings.

Playing an RPG should be like writing your own book and not reading one like you do in JRPG. In JRPG you can't make ANY difference at ALL, the story is already linear, your characters already has his own personality, all you do is read a story and fight battles. That is turned based action game imo. JRPGs got nothing that actually defines the RPG genre.

And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure.

Didn't you just say that Oblivion was not a RPG??!?!?!?!? Are you kidding??? Someone tell me his kidding!

It isn't. It's an action adventure game with roleplaying elements.

Okay so most of us have seen OUR THE Tidus22 fail epically over and over, but this is where I draw the line. His list was so made of fail I will have to write my own. Not only will I write my own but I will write one for every console that I think is worthy of an RPG top 10 list.!!

Sadly never owning a PS2 and being to stubborn to give up my GC for the better console. I cannot and will not make a PS2 list, I can only from my hand make a well made SNES and PS1 list. Also I don't play many RPG's on PC. Many say Oblivion was a great game, think about this I beat the D.brother hood, thief chain, mage chain, warrior chain, Gladiator chain, and Main story until it bugged out on the siege of that snowy town ( Cheydenhal maybe : / well w/e it was) all well staying at level 2. That isn't what I would call a good game, still a very good game to mess around in though, Fallout though! Now that is a game! What was that sweet perk Splatter house? That made everyone die in the most horrible way XD to awesome! Nes doesn't need a list its all good.

Lets start with the grand champ of all console gaming SUPER F***ing Nintendo!

Snes

1. Chrono trigger - Its the best RPG that has been made to date, its only competition is whats in number 2.

2. Final Fantasy 3/6 - If you think FF7 needed a movie and not FF6? Your a fanboy! This story is so damn good and Kefka is so damn badass, its not even funny!

3. Earth Bound/ Secret of mana 3/Seiken Densetsu 3 - This game is so damn good it is 1st on my list. Nothing will replace it! RUNAWAY 5!!! This game is soo good it has its own Rap song, and its pretty damn good, and I don't even like rap. http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01424/ SM3 was very well made, as far as I know there wasnt a SM2 realease or I have never heard of one. But it doesnt matter Sm3 takes enough names and kicks enough @$$ for SM2 and SM3 Personally >.> I liked the Amazon chich I liked the way her classes turned out and I always took the paladin as a side charecter along with the super evil warlock mage chich :D. Also if you didnt know >.> if you turn on your first back ground filter and there is a sleeping person near you, it will see under the blankets and show you a nude avatar * Shh* i didnt tell you ^^

4. Secret of Mana - Cannons! Crazy little dwarfs! Upgradable weapons! Multiplayer! This game had all that and case of Balls.

5. Secret of Evermore/Star ocean - Your dog eats face. You could cast like a million things at once. It had great tunes. It had Bazookas. It had more then you needed, but still kept giving! I dont have the will in me to remove Secret of Evermore but after long and hard convincing the light has been brought to my eyes that starocean is as great if not great then secret of evermore. Sadly I had to wait for the rom version to be able to play it :(

6. Terranigma - A rare game, in fact it never hit the states as far as I know, so what your gonna wanna do is find "other" means to play this very awesome game.

7. Breath of Fire 2 - Many say 1 is a better game, but I think the speed and a combat revamp was all that game needed, and in Breath of fire 2 it got exactly that.

8. Final Fantasy 2/4 - I had a crush on Rydia, that probably the only reason this makes the list for me. That and Kain was a dragoon, and dragoons are badass. Cecile was a winine emo dark knight then a courageous yet flaming paladin lose and lose for him am afraid.

9. Super mario RPG -= It could be higher, but it was a bit easy for any RPG's standards. Between frogofushous and other sweet charecters (Axem rangers, Smithy, Jeno, Mario, No luigi *wink*) this game had more then enough to make any list in and SNES genre.. Well one involving Mario or RPG's XD.

10.Illusions of Gaia - It shouldn't be so low on the list, but lets face it. IT WAS HARD, like battletoads hard, if you were a kid without a dad who played games you made it to the pyramid and no further. If you did manage to beat this game all on your own, even back before the days of the Internet guides. My hats of to you sir! ( Was it me or was the Russian roulette glass always in the middle?)

PS1 The 2nd in command has some very fine titles LOOK IT OVER!

1. Suikoden 2 - Don't challenge this its the best, and always will be the best on the system, with loadable date to get MCdaol in your party so he can soul eater the hell out of your enemies how could this be bad, which brings me to #2!

2. Suikoden - You get a dragons castle as your own after you melt his face, then you gather and army and take over your country! After all this you just take your bag and best friend and walk right into Suikoden 2! If thats not epic enough then play S2 and have one of the best female leads ever to be in a game in your party, EVER! ( Better then that sk**k arisis ).

3. Legend of Mana - Unleashing giant movies that had sweet effects with a creat your own map and so many side quests it would make even a vertern gamer tired to do them all this game rocked! Giant talking mountains and trees also make everything better!

4. FF7 - You know why this game is here? Of course you do! Among sweet characters like Barret Cid and Tifa, You had some really terrible ones. Caitsith >.> am looking at you buddie. On top of the great characters though this game had some awesome stuff like a **** load of FMV which kicked ass at the time, but now is kinda boring, you had FULL 3d BATTLES! AND SWEET KICK ASS LIMITE BREAKS!. The main reason i put this here is for one sole reason, its on PC and has been remade with better Graphix and sound and its soooooo much sweeter.

5. Breath of Fire 3 - You got to tell fairys to go out and hunt and kill animals, this in my head is a thing of greatness. Don't question the game either setting out on a mission to inevitbly kill *Blank* just like the other Breath of fires is sweet! For those that understand *Blank* dont ruin it for the non players. Also Turning into a dragon once again is freaking awesome.

6.Thousand Arms - Date chicks to make better weapons... The real world isnt even that cool. Unique combat system and great sotry to.

7. Sage frontier - Massive combos fastest paced battle system ever, learning new movies 7 independent stories 6 of which are great. ( Slaps Riki) Now many side Characters don't get honorable mention in my posts but Gen is the Mother F***ing man! If you don't know Gen you don't know Sh**. To bad Sage frontier 2 Sucked so much beaner.

8. Valkyrie Profile -= Yes this game slipped my mind, but thats cause my burned copy didnt let me finish the game *angry*, It had great combat and an intresting charecter building system where you would send your newly invited Aesire ( I think) To fight for Odin in the war to end all wars Ragnorok ( Armafukinggeddon man!) It had very nice style to the game to you flew around listened for voice and collected sweet weapons and either kept them for your self or gave them to Odin :D Either way this game had bounds for a squel written all over it, it got one who knew :0!

9. Star ocean - 250 level, Infinite Dungeon or so it might have seemed to people.( It was just really deep) and a boss that would eat you alive if you weren't hella good! Plus 40 + endings. Needed multiplayer.

10. Tales of Destiny - Multi-player up 4 people, Sweet tower of Druga, Cool characters and 80+ hours of game, cool spells and skills to boot!

MeadAndCheese

i think it was a great idea to seperate your top 10 RPG´s by system, that way you wont have PC gamers saying "final fantasy" can´t be there because its not an RPG (which i actually agree with that) and you wont have people saying "what no final fantasy (insert number here) THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!"

good list BTW, do a PC RPG list next :)

And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure. Drukter

Meh, pretty bland list. Even if you only mention console RPG's, you missed Chrono Cross,foxhound_fox

It isn't. It's an action adventure game with roleplaying elements.

inoperativeRS

Finally someone else who sees.

[QUOTE="Drukter"] And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure. Jandurin

I did, but it's not the character creation that makes them RPG.

it has to be oblivion. i hate rpg and loved oblivion, it was that good.rdo

Conclusion: Oblivion isn't an RPG (And same goes for all the titles on that list from the TC)