Hate to... but this must be done! The best RPG's Ever made!

I thought that this guy was going to list all the best RPGs per platform :(

Since that doesnt seem to be what this thread is about,i have to say that those two lists=total nonsense

Since best RPGs are those madeby blackIsle/bioware,and without them anybest RPG list made is totalconsolized crap!!!

No mention of KOTOR I and II or FF8?

I'm glad everyone has opinions, because I certainly don't agree with yours.

your psx list is all wrong

1)lunar silver star

2)suikoden

3)lunar eternal blue

4)suikoden 2

5)legend of ragoon

6)ff7

7)ff8

8)grandia

9)chrono cross

10)vanguard bandits

There's too much hate for Chrono Cross. It was a decent ga\me.Jandurin

Where the heck did this OUR THE nonsense come from??funnymario

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Meh, pretty bland list. Even if you only mention console RPG's, you missed Chrono Cross,Jandurin

"Decent" isn't good enough when you are looking at the supposed sequel to one of the best RPGs of all time.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]There's too much hate for Chrono Cross. It was a decent ga\me.foxhound_fox

I've beat it 3 times, I think. Just trying out different characters I missed, mainly.

"Decent" isn't good enough when you are looking at the supposed sequel to one of the best RPGs of all time.SemiMaster

I think most of the hate comes from the word "Chrono" being in the title.

KOTORtomarlyn

:)Thaz wut um tawkin bout.

Where is Dragon Quest? It was the first JRPG that I bought for a console and loved.

By the way please change your title to the best Japanese RPGs

[QUOTE="Ninjasonparade"][QUOTE="Drukter"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. inoperativeRS

What a bad list, only JRPGS which are not RPGs at all :SDrukter

Nah, the only real RPGs dont need stats at all, it needs good characters, MULTIPLE choices, not just good and evil and neutral, consequences that affect the world and your surrondings.

Playing an RPG should be like writing your own book and not reading one like you do in JRPG. In JRPG you can't make ANY difference at ALL, the story is already linear, your characters already has his own personality, all you do is read a story and fight battles. That is turned based action game imo. JRPGs got nothing that actually defines the RPG genre.

And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure.

Didn't you just say that Oblivion was not a RPG??!?!?!?!? Are you kidding??? Someone tell me his kidding!

It isn't. It's an action adventure game with roleplaying elements.

I disagree. Sure there are no off screen dice rolls, but you still customize the hell out of your character which is what the base of an RPG is. My choices to advance in certain skills still determine how good or bad my character is going to perform. It seems to me that you are all limiting your ideas to much of what a RPG incompasses. It's not less of an RPG because its first person or because I don't have a party. Now I'm not saying it's as good as a game like Morrowind or Baldur's Gate, but it's still a RPG.

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]

Star Ocean had all the elements of Star Ocean 2 (character recruit, solo town exploration etc), and it was SNES game with better story and combat system.

Breath of Fire 4 was better than Breath of Fire 3 by large margin. Breath of Fire 2 was one of the most disappointing RPGs of SNES era.

Final Fantasy VII uses the traditional ATB system that is widely popular and enhanced it with materia system which gave player freedom to customize it as they want. Sephiroth is still widely known as one of the greatest villian and had set of one of the most interesting cast of characters.

Also, where's Grandia?

MeadAndCheese

Seph is lame get over it. Sorry to tell all of you FF guys but FF7 is 4th in the greater of the series.

Thanks for sharing your opinion you little level 2. :roll:l-_-l

So an opinion isn't valid unless you are registered at Gamespot for a long time?

Final Fantasy Tactics is not on here? What is wrong with the world...

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. Jandurin

sigh... here we go again. I know FF6 is a great game and huge leap from FF5 but really nobody was touched with FF6. There were no real main characters and the only thing memorable in the game was the main villain and the family ghost story. Seriously half of the charcters were useless and weak. But I loved the side stories, the twist, many instances were you felt the game was ending but was not etc.

For me FF7 was a better game mainly because better story, better characters, better battle system... ultimately it was better.

I know FF6 is a great game and huge leap from FF5 but really nobody was touched with FF6. There were no real main characters and the only thing memorable in the game was the main villain and the family ghost story.Tamarind_Face

Hello, Dungeons and Dragons.

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"] "Decent" isn't good enough when you are looking at the supposed sequel to one of the best RPGs of all time.Jandurin

I think most of the hate comes from the word "Chrono" being in the title.

Because everyone touts it as being the sequel. Not just some. EVERYONE. To me it was just another mediocre RPG that wasn't particularly bad, but no way the marvelous 10 Gamespot gave it. People automatically associate it with Trigger, and that's a terrible thing to do, seeing as the only relation to Trigger that Cross bears is the last boss fight.

I'm not saying don't like it, but I am saying a lot of the hate IS justified.

Because everyone touts it as being the sequel. Not just some. EVERYONE. To me it was just another mediocre RPG that wasn't particularly bad, but no way the marvelous 10 Gamespot gave it. People automatically associate it with Trigger, and that's a terrible thing to do, seeing as the only relation to Trigger that Cross bears is the last boss fight.

I'm not saying don't like it, but I am saying a lot of the hate IS justified.SemiMaster

It's a good game on its own merit, but not as the "sequel" to Chrono Trigger.

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]Because everyone touts it as being the sequel. Not just some. EVERYONE. To me it was just another mediocre RPG that wasn't particularly bad, but no way the marvelous 10 Gamespot gave it. People automatically associate it with Trigger, and that's a terrible thing to do, seeing as the only relation to Trigger that Cross bears is the last boss fight.

I'm not saying don't like it, but I am saying a lot of the hate IS justified.Jandurin

It's a good game on its own merit, but not as the "sequel" to Chrono Trigger.

But don't get the word "good" confused with something like "Great" or "superb" because I will fight that to the death.

But don't get the word "good" confused with something like "Great" or "superb" because I will fight that to the death.SemiMaster

I'm not confused. :P

I used the words decent, and good. Not great or perfect or anything.

Though I did like playing as Lynx a lot.

Wow. I really messed up that quote business.

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]Well, right. That's my point exactly.

It's a good game on its own merit, but not as the "sequel" to Chrono Trigger.Jandurin

I'm not confused. :P

I used the words decent, and good. Not great or perfect or anything.

Though I did like playing as Lynx a lot.

But don't get the word "good" confused with something like "Great" or "superb" because I will fight that to the death.

I think you understand perfectly, perhaps just not my wording.

It's good (I.E. 7.0 to 7.5 in System Wars terms) no more in my book. Good is good. But good is not great. People always use good and great interchangably, and semantics get confusing. I was trying to clarify that point but I think you already gather that, so I'm gonna go play in the corner now.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"] I know FF6 is a great game and huge leap from FF5 but really nobody was touched with FF6. There were no real main characters and the only thing memorable in the game was the main villain and the family ghost story.Jandurin

Hello, Dungeons and Dragons.

Have you played ff7? wtf are you talking about? Cloud didnt seek sephiroth to have an adventure.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"] I know FF6 is a great game and huge leap from FF5 but really nobody was touched with FF6. There were no real main characters and the only thing memorable in the game was the main villain and the family ghost story.Tamarind_Face

Hello, Dungeons and Dragons.

Have you played ff7? wtf are you talking about? Cloud didnt seek sephiroth to have an adventure.

Yes, I've played FF7.

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="Ninjasonparade"][QUOTE="Drukter"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]seriously play more Jrpgs. Suikoden 2 is better or as great as FF7. Ninjasonparade

What a bad list, only JRPGS which are not RPGs at all :SDrukter

Nah, the only real RPGs dont need stats at all, it needs good characters, MULTIPLE choices, not just good and evil and neutral, consequences that affect the world and your surrondings.

Playing an RPG should be like writing your own book and not reading one like you do in JRPG. In JRPG you can't make ANY difference at ALL, the story is already linear, your characters already has his own personality, all you do is read a story and fight battles. That is turned based action game imo. JRPGs got nothing that actually defines the RPG genre.

And if you thought I meant Oblivion or Fable, no they are not RPGS either, they are hack'n'slash action adventure.

Didn't you just say that Oblivion was not a RPG??!?!?!?!? Are you kidding??? Someone tell me his kidding!

It isn't. It's an action adventure game with roleplaying elements.

I disagree. Sure there are no off screen dice rolls, but you still customize the hell out of your character which is what the base of an RPG is. My choices to advance in certain skills still determine how good or bad my character is going to perform. It seems to me that you are all limiting your ideas to much of what a RPG incompasses. It's not less of an RPG because its first person or because I don't have a party. Now I'm not saying it's as good as a game like Morrowind or Baldur's Gate, but it's still a RPG.

It's all smokes and mirrors. The choices you make in Oblivion are only choices on the surface, they all pretty much lead to the same end result, mostly because of the level scaling and stupid leveling system. Seriously, I played oblivion a LOT and really liked it, but that's only because I from the very beginning gave up my hope on seeing any real roleplaying in it. I guess you could call it an action rpg if you really wanted, though.

My FAV RPGs of all time

Diablo series

Elder Scrolls series

Baldurs Gate Series

KotoR series

Soon to be added to that list, im sure ... Mass Effect series

typical SE fanbody... um where are the Atlus games? SMT III Nocturne? 300+ hours of gameplay and the best JRPG on the PS2... yet not on the list. secret of evermore was filth.

Okay so most of us have seen OUR THE Tidus22 fail epically over and over, but this is where I draw the line. His list was so made of fail I will have to write my own. Not only will I write my own but I will write one for every console that I think is worthy of an RPG top 10 list.!!

Sadly never owning a PS2 and being to stubborn to give up my GC for the better console. I cannot and will not make a PS2 list, I can only from my hand make a well made SNES and PS1 list. Also I don't play many RPG's on PC. Many say Oblivion was a great game, think about this I beat the D.brother hood, thief chain, mage chain, warrior chain, Gladiator chain, and Main story until it bugged out on the siege of that snowy town ( Cheydenhal maybe : / well w/e it was) all well staying at level 2. That isn't what I would call a good game, still a very good game to mess around in though, Fallout though! Now that is a game! What was that sweet perk Splatter house? That made everyone die in the most horrible way XD to awesome! Nes doesn't need a list its all good.

Lets start with the grand champ of all console gaming SUPER F***ing Nintendo!

Snes

1. Chrono trigger - Its the best RPG that has been made to date, its only competition is whats in number 2.

2. Final Fantasy 3/6 - If you think FF7 needed a movie and not FF6? Your a fanboy! This story is so damn good and Kefka is so damn badass, its not even funny!

3. Earth Bound/ Secret of mana 3/Seiken Densetsu 3 - This game is so damn good it is 1st on my list. Nothing will replace it! RUNAWAY 5!!! This game is soo good it has its own Rap song, and its pretty damn good, and I don't even like rap. http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01424/ SM3 was very well made, as far as I know there wasnt a SM2 realease or I have never heard of one. But it doesnt matter Sm3 takes enough names and kicks enough @$$ for SM2 and SM3 Personally >.> I liked the Amazon chich I liked the way her classes turned out and I always took the paladin as a side charecter along with the super evil warlock mage chich :D. Also if you didnt know >.> if you turn on your first back ground filter and there is a sleeping person near you, it will see under the blankets and show you a nude avatar * Shh* i didnt tell you ^^

4. Secret of Mana - Cannons! Crazy little dwarfs! Upgradable weapons! Multiplayer! This game had all that and case of Balls.

5. Secret of Evermore/Star ocean - Your dog eats face. You could cast like a million things at once. It had great tunes. It had Bazookas. It had more then you needed, but still kept giving! I dont have the will in me to remove Secret of Evermore but after long and hard convincing the light has been brought to my eyes that starocean is as great if not great then secret of evermore. Sadly I had to wait for the rom version to be able to play it :(

6. Terranigma - A rare game, in fact it never hit the states as far as I know, so what your gonna wanna do is find "other" means to play this very awesome game.

7. Breath of Fire 2 - Many say 1 is a better game, but I think the speed and a combat revamp was all that game needed, and in Breath of fire 2 it got exactly that.

8. Final Fantasy 2/4 - I had a crush on Rydia, that probably the only reason this makes the list for me. That and Kain was a dragoon, and dragoons are badass. Cecile was a winine emo dark knight then a courageous yet flaming paladin lose and lose for him am afraid.

9. Super mario RPG -= It could be higher, but it was a bit easy for any RPG's standards. Between frogofushous and other sweet charecters (Axem rangers, Smithy, Jeno, Mario, No luigi *wink*) this game had more then enough to make any list in and SNES genre.. Well one involving Mario or RPG's XD.

10.Illusions of Gaia - It shouldn't be so low on the list, but lets face it. IT WAS HARD, like battletoads hard, if you were a kid without a dad who played games you made it to the pyramid and no further. If you did manage to beat this game all on your own, even back before the days of the Internet guides. My hats of to you sir! ( Was it me or was the Russian roulette glass always in the middle?)

PS1 The 2nd in command has some very fine titles LOOK IT OVER!

1. Suikoden 2 - Don't challenge this its the best, and always will be the best on the system, with loadable date to get MCdaol in your party so he can soul eater the hell out of your enemies how could this be bad, which brings me to #2!

2. Suikoden - You get a dragons castle as your own after you melt his face, then you gather and army and take over your country! After all this you just take your bag and best friend and walk right into Suikoden 2! If thats not epic enough then play S2 and have one of the best female leads ever to be in a game in your party, EVER! ( Better then that sk**k arisis ).

3. Legend of Mana - Unleashing giant movies that had sweet effects with a creat your own map and so many side quests it would make even a vertern gamer tired to do them all this game rocked! Giant talking mountains and trees also make everything better!

4. FF7 - You know why this game is here? Of course you do! Among sweet characters like Barret Cid and Tifa, You had some really terrible ones. Caitsith >.> am looking at you buddie. On top of the great characters though this game had some awesome stuff like a **** load of FMV which kicked ass at the time, but now is kinda boring, you had FULL 3d BATTLES! AND SWEET KICK ASS LIMITE BREAKS!. The main reason i put this here is for one sole reason, its on PC and has been remade with better Graphix and sound and its soooooo much sweeter.

5. Breath of Fire 3 - You got to tell fairys to go out and hunt and kill animals, this in my head is a thing of greatness. Don't question the game either setting out on a mission to inevitbly kill *Blank* just like the other Breath of fires is sweet! For those that understand *Blank* dont ruin it for the non players. Also Turning into a dragon once again is freaking awesome.

6.Thousand Arms - Date chicks to make better weapons... The real world isnt even that cool. Unique combat system and great sotry to.

7. Sage frontier - Massive combos fastest paced battle system ever, learning new movies 7 independent stories 6 of which are great. ( Slaps Riki) Now many side Characters don't get honorable mention in my posts but Gen is the Mother F***ing man! If you don't know Gen you don't know Sh**. To bad Sage frontier 2 Sucked so much beaner.

8. Valkyrie Profile -= Yes this game slipped my mind, but thats cause my burned copy didnt let me finish the game *angry*, It had great combat and an intresting charecter building system where you would send your newly invited Aesire ( I think) To fight for Odin in the war to end all wars Ragnorok ( Armafukinggeddon man!) It had very nice style to the game to you flew around listened for voice and collected sweet weapons and either kept them for your self or gave them to Odin :D Either way this game had bounds for a squel written all over it, it got one who knew :0!

9. Star ocean - 250 level, Infinite Dungeon or so it might have seemed to people.( It was just really deep) and a boss that would eat you alive if you weren't hella good! Plus 40 + endings. Needed multiplayer.

10. Tales of Destiny - Multi-player up 4 people, Sweet tower of Druga, Cool characters and 80+ hours of game, cool spells and skills to boot!

MeadAndCheese

sorry oblivion was horrible... sold it half way through. It was far from an RPG.. no skill combat and basically just hacking and slashing resulted in pathetic gameplay.

[QUOTE="rdo"]it has to be oblivion. i hate rpg and loved oblivion, it was that good.Lonelynight

Because it wasn't a true RPG, its more of an action game

Pool of Radiance? The graphics on that game suck.

You camp, and they show you a picture of a campfire for goodness sake.

You walk around on a freaking map :o

Jandurin

I presume he means the original (I never played the remake) and for its time it was awesome!

No Chrono Cross for PS1?!!??!??

...no seriously?