Have we entered the Nintendo era? (longish read)

Hey guys, this is my first post but i've been lurking here for a few years. Anyway on to the point, please read before attacking.

Lets start with a little history lesson. 2006 was mostly dominated by the PS2 with games such as FFXII, Okami and Rogue Galaxy. November 2006 was the day all that changed and we entered the Xbox era with Gears recieving universal acclaim shortly followed by a 1-2 punch with Rainbow Six Vegas. This golden era continued right through 2007 with amazing games like Halo 3, Mass Effect, PGR4, AC6, Bioshock (at the time, we didnt know some were multi). This continued right until June 2008.......

Yes, we all know what happened in that month MGS4 came smashing out of the starting gate with a 10 and we officially entered the PS3 era from there. With an impressive E3 showing that year, the games just kept pouring out and the PS3 really unleashed in 09 with games such as Uncharted 2, Ratchet and Clank Future 2, Demons Souls, Infamous and Killzone 2. This era continued right up untill May 2010.

As we all know what happened in May 2010, Nintendo delivered a 1-2 with the perfect SMG2 followed by the near perfect S&P2. I thought we had entered the Nintendo era right then but i still had doubts in my mind. Whether they could continue this success and that MS & Sony would deliver their big guns. Well this E3 has shown that they're not going at it as hard as Nintendo are and with games right through to 2011, i see this Nintendo Era continuing through to May/June 2012 as history shows us.

Sure we won't see as many blockbusters hitting the system as the other two era's, Nintendo will never have that high level of multiplat support this gen, but expect the best games to be on the Wii, and i havent even mentioned the DS'

Sumary: Welcome to the Nintendo Era, i hope you enjoy your stay :D

Yeah, we entered it when the DS came out. Also, welcome to Gamespot.com!Willy105

we entered it in the late 80's early 90's :P Ninty provide good stuff every gen regardless of placement they are the best of the 3 when it comes to some things especially the grip their franchises have had over the years.

not for me. other than zelda and mario there is little else that nintendo offers that im interested in.

When it comes to handhelds, it's always been the Nintendo era. It didn't start with the DS, it started with the Gameboy. That 3DS was the best part of their show, with their incredibly well-hidden launch lineup.

The Wii has some good games coming up over the rest of 2010 and 2011, no doubt, but did anyone really expect there wouldn't be another Zelda title? If anything, Nintendo fans have grown uncharacteristically pessimistic about Nintendo's appeal to casuals, something they never felt in the N64/Gamecube era. This was just a return to normalcy - not a new era by any means.

In terms of sales, the Wii may continue to top the charts, but the 360/PS3 will still accumulate more high-ranking games than the Wii will. The exclusive fight will be interesting, but non-Nintendo Wii games will still struggle to achieve critically acclaimed (ie. AAA) status. Nothing has really changed there.

uh.. we have entered it circa 2005

but the 360/PS3 will still accumulate more high-ranking games than the Wii will.SakusEnvoy

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]but the 360/PS3 will still accumulate more high-ranking games than the Wii will.farnham

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]but the 360/PS3 will still accumulate more high-ranking games than the Wii will.Willy105

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]but the 360/PS3 will still accumulate more high-ranking games than the Wii will.Willy105

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

Chemical_Viking

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="farnham"] and nobody cares outside of the systemwars worldSakusEnvoy

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Willy105"] Especially since the scores only matter on Gamespot. It's not like other websites use Gamespot's scores.Willy105

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

Willy105

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] It doesn't really matter what review site you're on - the 360 and PS3 will have more AAA, AA games, albeit a large number of those will be multiplats. Of course it's significant though. It shows that most of the high quality third party support is going to other systems, and third parties make most of the games out there.

SakusEnvoy

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

Willy105

1. Except that doesn't happen. This is the second Zelda game and how many marios have we had? Did the world really need a new Donkey Kong platformer? A new kirby? There have been tonnes of these games over the years. Come up with something new, Nintendo.

2. So nothing to do with being incredibly broad and accessible to none traditional gamers, appealing to fitness fanatics, old people, and pubs?

3. Of course it is! This is my opinion! DUH! This saying crops up far too often in system wars. Of course this is my opinion. What else would it be?

4. Whose experience? Yours? Is that not...shock horror....an opinion? So what makes your opinion acceptable and no one elses? This is why the "this is your opinion" line is so stupid. Everyone is giving their opinion. That's the point.

5. Absolutely no sense whatsoever. I didn't say once Motion Controls were not a big change. They are. They're just a big change I absolutely hate. Other companies are now going to broaden their appeal with cash cow shallow mini game collections and stupid dance games instead of the types of games like Red Dead Redemption, which are the reasons I bother with gaming in the first place. We're going to see more Carnival Games and Party Babiez and less Heavy Rains because that's where the money is. That is not a good thing.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

0rin

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

0rin

This is just it. Sales sales sales. Sales mean nothing to me and shouldnt any gamer. You're only going to play one copy of the game. Is it any good or not? MIley Cyrus is selling more albums right now than Neil Young. You can't wave sales at people and expect to be taken seriously.

Nintendo, quality wise, has been lacking. A few isolated great exclusives every so often should not cut it for people in a generation where the two more traditional consoles are constantly bombarding you with great multiplatform games like RDR and Batman AA. I've almost lost count of the amount of great potentially genre defining games I never got to play because something even better came along at the same time.

It's pretty hard to give them any credit for what they do produce when you take into account what shallow a road they're taking the industry down and how their fans react in this way every time they so much as hint they're remaking faxanadu.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

Chemical_Viking

1. Except that doesn't happen. This is the second Zelda game and how many marios have we had? Did the world really need a new Donkey Kong platformer? A new kirby? There have been tonnes of these games over the years. Come up with something new, Nintendo.

2. So nothing to do with being incredibly broad and accessible to none traditional gamers, appealing to fitness fanatics, old people, and pubs?

3. Of course it is! This is my opinion! DUH! This saying crops up far too often in system wars. Of course this is my opinion. What else would it be?

4. Whose experience? Yours? Is that not...shock horror....an opinion? So what makes your opinion acceptable and no one elses? This is why the "this is your opinion" line is so stupid. Everyone is giving their opinion. That's the point.

5. Absolutely no sense whatsoever. I didn't say once Motion Controls were not a big change. They are. They're just a big change I absolutely hate. Other companies are now going to broaden their appeal with cash cow shallow mini game collections and stupid dance games instead of the types of games like Red Dead Redemption, which are the reasons I bother with gaming in the first place. We're going to see more Carnival Games and Party Babiez and less Heavy Rains because that's where the money is. That is not a good thing.

1. Tons over the years? Maybe you are young, and that is perfectly fine, but you probably can't tell the span of time between these releases. This year, there is a new Call of Duty game coming out, and there was a new Call of Duty game released last year. That's fine. But Zelda games don't come once every year. The last one for a console came out 4 years ago. You know what came out when Twilight Princess came out? Call of Duty 3.

Nintendo has come up with tons of new things and new IPs. Maybe you haven't realized because you were isolated on the HD side of things, but Nintendo is the source for most of the things going on in this generation. Nintendo doesn't need to make anything new anymore, they did that already in the past 4 years. It's time for them to go back to their roots, and that is what they are doing. Update your arguments, because you are literally complaining that we still have polio.

2. Huh? Are we talking about Nintendo or the other companies? You want Nintendo to go back to appealing to old people, girls, and pubs?

3. It's fine to talk about an opinion, but many make the mistake of thinking it's fact.

4. Yeah, that is another example of that. You OK? You need to lie down? Don't get lost on me, OK?

5. So you hate motion control. That's fine. But no reason to ignore them because you don't like it. It goes back to point #3 and #4. By this logic, you should super excited for Nintendo, since they are the ones not doing the motion control gimmicks this year as their main point. You are almost complaining that Nintendo is the only one doing what you like.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Please. Nintendo gives you a few intinerations of old and tired IPs like Kirby and Kid Icarus, both of which were lame to begin with, and all of a sudden they're on top of the world.

The wii has the least amount of worthwhile games on it,not going to change with these. All Nintendo has done to change gaming as of late is make motion controls standard for the $$$. I don't think too many real gamers will be greatful for that.

n00bproof

lol, you're probably not a "real gamer" if you have such bad thoughts about Nintendo and saying they've always been lame. A "real gamer" would realize that every standard in gaming today, saving, rumble, joystick, d pad... is from Nintendo.Besides, I think its obvious now that Nintendo purposely lured Microsoft and Sony into the casual department so they could blow everybody away with the 3DS and other reveals this year to bring the hardcore gamer back.

Well, two things here. Firstly, where on earth did I say Nintendo have always been lame? Where? Point it out. I criticised two of their IPs. Kid Icarus, the first time around, was terrible. Kirby has never been great. Bringing them back is akin to sega resurrecting Kid Chameleon.

Secondly, I've been gaming for around 25 years. I've owned systems in double figures now. I've had more games than most people here. I'm not a real gamer because I don't like the recent trends of Nintendo? How incredibly arrogant. I've owned Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, Sony, Atari, I am more of a gamer than most will ever be so don't ever make ignorant assumptions on people like that again. I own three systems this gen, and I buy any and all the games I want. I do not own a wii.

What has Microsoft and Sony brought new to the table? Maybe Sony is doing good with LBP, Infamous, and Uncharted, but Microsoft has pretty much been relying on Halo and Gears for the past decade, and don't give me any crap about the Move and Kinect being new and fresh, since they're just cash cows for the motion control craze. But does that make those companies bad? No, it doesn't. People need to stop being so ****ing judgemental over game companies and play games that are good. My life became alot happier when I decided to expand my mind and enjoy everything life can throw at me

They've brought new IPs, this gen. They've given added functionality which makes their systems more useful. The systems bring out an interesting game almost every fortnight. Gears is a new IP by the way. Halo, not so much. I don't own any of those.

And if you bothered reading my post you would see I was actually not looking forward to move and kinect. Thats the point. Nintendo has taken this industry down that road of money over quality. You're not open minded enough to bother reading things people actually post it seems. I'm open minded enough in life to know quality when I see it and not to let company bias cloud my judgement.

Nintendo needs to come up with some new IPs to interest me. The only things I liked from their conference were Donkey Kong and Kirby. The rest didn't really interest me at all. But, I am happy for those two games.

Nintendo needs to come up with some new IPs to interest me. The only things I liked from their conference were Donkey Kong and Kirby. The rest didn't really interest me at all. But, I am happy for those two games.

ShockerD19

Its the era of the gamer period.

[QUOTE="ShockerD19"]

Nintendo needs to come up with some new IPs to interest me. The only things I liked from their conference were Donkey Kong and Kirby. The rest didn't really interest me at all. But, I am happy for those two games.

Willy105

what new IPs have they come up with this gen?

Its the era of the gamer period.

mojito1988

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

1. Except that doesn't happen. This is the second Zelda game and how many marios have we had? Did the world really need a new Donkey Kong platformer? A new kirby? There have been tonnes of these games over the years. Come up with something new, Nintendo.

2. So nothing to do with being incredibly broad and accessible to none traditional gamers, appealing to fitness fanatics, old people, and pubs?

3. Of course it is! This is my opinion! DUH! This saying crops up far too often in system wars. Of course this is my opinion. What else would it be?

4. Whose experience? Yours? Is that not...shock horror....an opinion? So what makes your opinion acceptable and no one elses? This is why the "this is your opinion" line is so stupid. Everyone is giving their opinion. That's the point.

5. Absolutely no sense whatsoever. I didn't say once Motion Controls were not a big change. They are. They're just a big change I absolutely hate. Other companies are now going to broaden their appeal with cash cow shallow mini game collections and stupid dance games instead of the types of games like Red Dead Redemption, which are the reasons I bother with gaming in the first place. We're going to see more Carnival Games and Party Babiez and less Heavy Rains because that's where the money is. That is not a good thing.

Chemical_Viking

1. Tons over the years? Maybe you are young, and that is perfectly fine, but you probably can't tell the span of time between these releases. This year, there is a new Call of Duty game coming out, and there was a new Call of Duty game released last year. That's fine. But Zelda games don't come once every year. The last one for a console came out 4 years ago. You know what came out when Twilight Princess came out? Call of Duty 3.

Nintendo has come up with tons of new things and new IPs. Maybe you haven't realized because you were isolated on the HD side of things, but Nintendo is the source for most of the things going on in this generation. Nintendo doesn't need to make anything new anymore, they did that already in the past 4 years. It's time for them to go back to their roots, and that is what they are doing. Update your arguments, because you are literally complaining that we still have polio.

2. Huh? Are we talking about Nintendo or the other companies? You want Nintendo to go back to appealing to old people, girls, and pubs?

3. It's fine to talk about an opinion, but many make the mistake of thinking it's fact.

4. Yeah, that is another example of that. You OK? You need to lie down? Don't get lost on me, OK?

5. So you hate motion control. That's fine. But no reason to ignore them because you don't like it. It goes back to point #3 and #4. By this logic, you should super excited for Nintendo, since they are the ones not doing the motion control gimmicks this year as their main point. 6. You are almost complaining that Nintendo is the only one doing what you like.

1. First off, quit the patronising, ignorant attitude and making things about me. Seriously. Suggesting I am "too young" when Im actually close to 30, suggested im "isolated on HD side". I'm old enough to remember the original zelda. You are being incredibly patronising. Stop it. Secondly, the fact that call of duty is being milked does not mean Nintendo doesn't milk it's few credible franchises. Look at the amount of mario games over the years. What you're doing there is steering criticism away from one thing by bringing up another example. That doesn't excuse the original thing. Every gen, Nintendo gives gamers the same old same old franchises, sometimes, in the case of Mario, every few damn months.

2. Useless reply. Nintendo's sales success has been down to its broadened appeal. Fact. Thats not even one of the fabled opinions you so despise.

3. Including you as I pointed out. I didn't. I offered my opinion, that much was obvious to anyone with half a brain. You complained at me offering an opinion then offered your own and disguised it as fact

4. Again, patronising, and useless reply.

5. That's completely untrue. Firstly, if I don't like motion control, that's more than enough reason to ignore it. Secondly, you didn't see the motion controls at work in zelda et al? They're not turning their backs on it, far from it.

6. The most useless and nonsense thing you've said so far.

Well, I have surveyed your evidence and found it.....lacking. :|

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

1. Tons over the years? Maybe you are young, and that is perfectly fine, but you probably can't tell the span of time between these releases. This year, there is a new Call of Duty game coming out, and there was a new Call of Duty game released last year. That's fine. But Zelda games don't come once every year. The last one for a console came out 4 years ago. You know what came out when Twilight Princess came out? Call of Duty 3.

Nintendo has come up with tons of new things and new IPs. Maybe you haven't realized because you were isolated on the HD side of things, but Nintendo is the source for most of the things going on in this generation. Nintendo doesn't need to make anything new anymore, they did that already in the past 4 years. It's time for them to go back to their roots, and that is what they are doing. Update your arguments, because you are literally complaining that we still have polio.

2. Huh? Are we talking about Nintendo or the other companies? You want Nintendo to go back to appealing to old people, girls, and pubs?

3. It's fine to talk about an opinion, but many make the mistake of thinking it's fact.

4. Yeah, that is another example of that. You OK? You need to lie down? Don't get lost on me, OK?

5. So you hate motion control. That's fine. But no reason to ignore them because you don't like it. It goes back to point #3 and #4. By this logic, you should super excited for Nintendo, since they are the ones not doing the motion control gimmicks this year as their main point. 6. You are almost complaining that Nintendo is the only one doing what you like.

farnham

1. First off, quit the patronising, ignorant attitude and making things about me. Seriously. Suggesting I am "too young" when Im actually close to 30, suggested im "isolated on HD side". I'm old enough to remember the original zelda. You are being incredibly patronising. Stop it. Secondly, the fact that call of duty is being milked does not mean Nintendo doesn't milk it's few credible franchises. Look at the amount of mario games over the years. What you're doing there is steering criticism away from one thing by bringing up another example. That doesn't excuse the original thing. Every gen, Nintendo gives gamers the same old same old franchises, sometimes, in the case of Mario, every few damn months.

2. Useless reply. Nintendo's sales success has been down to its broadened appeal. Fact. Thats not even one of the fabled opinions you so despise.

3. Including you as I pointed out. I didn't. I offered my opinion, that much was obvious to anyone with half a brain. You complained at me offering an opinion then offered your own and disguised it as fact

4. Again, patronising, and useless reply.

5. That's completely untrue. Firstly, if I don't like motion control, that's more than enough reason to ignore it. Secondly, you didn't see the motion controls at work in zelda et al? They're not turning their backs on it, far from it.

6. The most useless and nonsense thing you've said so far.

they use him to sell the games. seeing him so much can make some people get tired of him. i mean, what if you saw master chief or nathan drake all of a sudden doing all of those things?

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ShockerD19"]

Nintendo needs to come up with some new IPs to interest me. The only things I liked from their conference were Donkey Kong and Kirby. The rest didn't really interest me at all. But, I am happy for those two games.

ShockerD19

what new IPs have they come up with this gen?

I'm actually pleased to see we have more Platformers and I'm REALLY more pleased with 3DS. METAL GEAR SOLID 3D and Kid Icarus!

[QUOTE="ShockerD19"]

[QUOTE="Willy105"] They already have. So if those didn't interest you, then no reason asking for more.Willy105

what new IPs have they come up with this gen?

nothing too spectacular on the console side though. and hotel dusk ftw.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

1. Except that doesn't happen. This is the second Zelda game and how many marios have we had? Did the world really need a new Donkey Kong platformer? A new kirby? There have been tonnes of these games over the years. Come up with something new, Nintendo.

2. So nothing to do with being incredibly broad and accessible to none traditional gamers, appealing to fitness fanatics, old people, and pubs?

3. Of course it is! This is my opinion! DUH! This saying crops up far too often in system wars. Of course this is my opinion. What else would it be?

4. Whose experience? Yours? Is that not...shock horror....an opinion? So what makes your opinion acceptable and no one elses? This is why the "this is your opinion" line is so stupid. Everyone is giving their opinion. That's the point.

5. Absolutely no sense whatsoever. I didn't say once Motion Controls were not a big change. They are. They're just a big change I absolutely hate. Other companies are now going to broaden their appeal with cash cow shallow mini game collections and stupid dance games instead of the types of games like Red Dead Redemption, which are the reasons I bother with gaming in the first place. We're going to see more Carnival Games and Party Babiez and less Heavy Rains because that's where the money is. That is not a good thing.

Chemical_Viking

1. Tons over the years? Maybe you are young, and that is perfectly fine, but you probably can't tell the span of time between these releases. This year, there is a new Call of Duty game coming out, and there was a new Call of Duty game released last year. That's fine. But Zelda games don't come once every year. The last one for a console came out 4 years ago. You know what came out when Twilight Princess came out? Call of Duty 3.

Nintendo has come up with tons of new things and new IPs. Maybe you haven't realized because you were isolated on the HD side of things, but Nintendo is the source for most of the things going on in this generation. Nintendo doesn't need to make anything new anymore, they did that already in the past 4 years. It's time for them to go back to their roots, and that is what they are doing. Update your arguments, because you are literally complaining that we still have polio.

2. Huh? Are we talking about Nintendo or the other companies? You want Nintendo to go back to appealing to old people, girls, and pubs?

3. It's fine to talk about an opinion, but many make the mistake of thinking it's fact.

4. Yeah, that is another example of that. You OK? You need to lie down? Don't get lost on me, OK?

5. So you hate motion control. That's fine. But no reason to ignore them because you don't like it. It goes back to point #3 and #4. By this logic, you should super excited for Nintendo, since they are the ones not doing the motion control gimmicks this year as their main point. 6. You are almost complaining that Nintendo is the only one doing what you like.

1. First off, quit the patronising, ignorant attitude and making things about me. Seriously. Suggesting I am "too young" when Im actually close to 30, suggested im "isolated on HD side". I'm old enough to remember the original zelda. You are being incredibly patronising. Stop it. Secondly, the fact that call of duty is being milked does not mean Nintendo doesn't milk it's few credible franchises. Look at the amount of mario games over the years. What you're doing there is steering criticism away from one thing by bringing up another example. That doesn't excuse the original thing. Every gen, Nintendo gives gamers the same old same old franchises, sometimes, in the case of Mario, every few damn months.

2. Useless reply. Nintendo's sales success has been down to its broadened appeal. Fact. Thats not even one of the fabled opinions you so despise.

3. Including you as I pointed out. I didn't. I offered my opinion, that much was obvious to anyone with half a brain. You complained at me offering an opinion then offered your own and disguised it as fact

4. Again, patronising, and useless reply.

5. That's completely untrue. Firstly, if I don't like motion control, that's more than enough reason to ignore it. Secondly, you didn't see the motion controls at work in zelda et al? They're not turning their backs on it, far from it.

6. The most useless and nonsense thing you've said so far.

1. So you are 30 and have been around since the NES days? Then why are using those kinds of arguments? You of all people should know about this, especially with the Mario thing. Just because it uses the same characters doesn't mean it's the same type of game. The games in the series are so different from each other, they migth as well be new IPs.

Check this out:

I'd rather have new games with the same characters than old games with new characters. Even though a Mario game came out a few months before Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Galaxy 2 was a sequel to a game that came out 3 years ago, the first time in 15 years there was a sequel for a Mario game in the same console. And NSMBWii was the first console 2D Mario game in over 15 years. It's fine of you see it differently, but you'd think from age and experience, you would get less fanboyish and be more enlighted in the game industry, and see what is a big deal, and what isn't.

2. Useless reply? You are dismissing my response!?! Yeah, broadened appeal has been a part of Nintendo's success since they started doing videogames. Big deal. Microsoft and Sony are trying to do it too.

3. I am not disguising my opinion as fact, I present it separetly from the fact, and I make the decency of pointing it out to you. Let's go back to the topic at hand, and stop dismissing our claims.

4. Patronising? I am trying to be nice here, because I don't want this to end up as a brawl between us.

5. Yeah, Zelda Wii is meant to be the killer app for motion controls on a hardcore game. I am basing your side of the argument based on the argument that has been presented on this board before, in which people relate motion control to casual games and minigame collections, and not for anything 'serious'. Well, there you go. I am basing this on the differences between Nintendo's E3 conference and Microsoft and Sony's E3 conferences. They are not turning their backs to it, they are trying to make it so you would like it.

6. So you are not going to take this seriously? Fine. I'm done here. I don't believe your age for one second, kid.

They still aren't doing much (much, not nothing, please read this) for non-Nintendo-fan core gamers though. They are still just concentrating on people who specifically enjoy Nintendo-brand products that have already come out. Its good they have finally realized the core market is where they should be concentrating, because I'm definitely becoming more interested in what they have to offer (new DKC and Zelda especially).

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

1. First off, quit the patronising, ignorant attitude and making things about me. Seriously. Suggesting I am "too young" when Im actually close to 30, suggested im "isolated on HD side". I'm old enough to remember the original zelda. You are being incredibly patronising. Stop it. Secondly, the fact that call of duty is being milked does not mean Nintendo doesn't milk it's few credible franchises. Look at the amount of mario games over the years. What you're doing there is steering criticism away from one thing by bringing up another example. That doesn't excuse the original thing. Every gen, Nintendo gives gamers the same old same old franchises, sometimes, in the case of Mario, every few damn months.

2. Useless reply. Nintendo's sales success has been down to its broadened appeal. Fact. Thats not even one of the fabled opinions you so despise.

3. Including you as I pointed out. I didn't. I offered my opinion, that much was obvious to anyone with half a brain. You complained at me offering an opinion then offered your own and disguised it as fact

4. Again, patronising, and useless reply.

5. That's completely untrue. Firstly, if I don't like motion control, that's more than enough reason to ignore it. Secondly, you didn't see the motion controls at work in zelda et al? They're not turning their backs on it, far from it.

6. The most useless and nonsense thing you've said so far.

Mike885

1. So you are 30 and have been around since the NES days? Then why are using those kinds of arguments? You of all people should know about this, especially with the Mario thing. Just because it uses the same characters doesn't mean it's the same type of game. The games in the series are so different from each other, they migth as well be new IPs.

Check this out:

I'd rather have new games with the same characters than old games with new characters. Even though a Mario game came out a few months before Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Galaxy 2 was a sequel to a game that came out 3 years ago, the first time in 15 years there was a sequel for a Mario game in the same console. And NSMBWii was the first console 2D Mario game in over 15 years. It's fine of you see it differently, but you'd think from age and experience, you would get less fanboyish and be more enlighted in the game industry, and see what is a big deal, and what isn't.

2. Useless reply? You are dismissing my response!?! Yeah, broadened appeal has been a part of Nintendo's success since they started doing videogames. Big deal. Microsoft and Sony are trying to do it too.

3. I am not disguising my opinion as fact, I present it separetly from the fact, and I make the decency of pointing it out to you. Let's go back to the topic at hand, and stop dismissing our claims.

4. Patronising? I am trying to be nice here, because I don't want this to end up as a brawl between us.

5. Yeah, Zelda Wii is meant to be the killer app for motion controls on a hardcore game. I am basing your side of the argument based on the argument that has been presented on this board before, in which people relate motion control to casual games and minigame collections, and not for anything 'serious'. Well, there you go. I am basing this on the differences between Nintendo's E3 conference and Microsoft and Sony's E3 conferences. They are not turning their backs to it, they are trying to make it so you would like it.

6. So you are not going to take this seriously? Fine. I'm done here. I don't believe your age for one second, kid.

It's absolutely proof I'm not close to 30, by questioning the fact that Nintendo overuses its chief IPs and doesn't come up with any new ones. That's all the proof you need right? The first console I ever owned was a vextrex. What was yours?

Nintendo needs to come up with some new IPs to interest me. The only things I liked from their conference were Donkey Kong and Kirby. The rest didn't really interest me at all. But, I am happy for those two games.

ShockerD19

Yea, about time Nintendo, glad to see you are back and here to stay for a while.:D But I have to say even Nintendo's off-era had some was pretty nice. If Nintendo remembers to support the hardcore market like they seem to be doing now then Nintendo will be in charge for a while.