Have we entered the Nintendo era? (longish read)

Yes, for 3 simple facts:

Nintendo DS is the most successful portable gaming device ever, selling almost as much as the entire GameBoy series in less than half the time.

Wii is, by far, the best selling console this gen.

Microsoft is trying to lure non-gamers with Kinect; Playstation Move literally following Nintendo's move. Nintendo's influence is undeniable.

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1. Tons over the years? Maybe you are young, and that is perfectly fine, but you probably can't tell the span of time between these releases. This year, there is a new Call of Duty game coming out, and there was a new Call of Duty game released last year. That's fine. But Zelda games don't come once every year. The last one for a console came out 4 years ago. You know what came out when Twilight Princess came out? Call of Duty 3.

Nintendo has come up with tons of new things and new IPs. Maybe you haven't realized because you were isolated on the HD side of things, but Nintendo is the source for most of the things going on in this generation. Nintendo doesn't need to make anything new anymore, they did that already in the past 4 years. It's time for them to go back to their roots, and that is what they are doing. Update your arguments, because you are literally complaining that we still have polio.

2. Huh? Are we talking about Nintendo or the other companies? You want Nintendo to go back to appealing to old people, girls, and pubs?

3. It's fine to talk about an opinion, but many make the mistake of thinking it's fact.

4. Yeah, that is another example of that. You OK? You need to lie down? Don't get lost on me, OK?

5. So you hate motion control. That's fine. But no reason to ignore them because you don't like it. It goes back to point #3 and #4. By this logic, you should super excited for Nintendo, since they are the ones not doing the motion control gimmicks this year as their main point. 6. You are almost complaining that Nintendo is the only one doing what you like.

Willy105

1. First off, quit the patronising, ignorant attitude and making things about me. Seriously. Suggesting I am "too young" when Im actually close to 30, suggested im "isolated on HD side". I'm old enough to remember the original zelda. You are being incredibly patronising. Stop it. Secondly, the fact that call of duty is being milked does not mean Nintendo doesn't milk it's few credible franchises. Look at the amount of mario games over the years. What you're doing there is steering criticism away from one thing by bringing up another example. That doesn't excuse the original thing. Every gen, Nintendo gives gamers the same old same old franchises, sometimes, in the case of Mario, every few damn months.

2. Useless reply. Nintendo's sales success has been down to its broadened appeal. Fact. Thats not even one of the fabled opinions you so despise.

3. Including you as I pointed out. I didn't. I offered my opinion, that much was obvious to anyone with half a brain. You complained at me offering an opinion then offered your own and disguised it as fact

4. Again, patronising, and useless reply.

5. That's completely untrue. Firstly, if I don't like motion control, that's more than enough reason to ignore it. Secondly, you didn't see the motion controls at work in zelda et al? They're not turning their backs on it, far from it.

6. The most useless and nonsense thing you've said so far.

1. So you are 30 and have been around since the NES days? Then why are using those kinds of arguments? You of all people should know about this, especially with the Mario thing. Just because it uses the same characters doesn't mean it's the same type of game. The games in the series are so different from each other, they migth as well be new IPs.

Check this out:

I'd rather have new games with the same characters than old games with new characters. Even though a Mario game came out a few months before Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Galaxy 2 was a sequel to a game that came out 3 years ago, the first time in 15 years there was a sequel for a Mario game in the same console. And NSMBWii was the first console 2D Mario game in over 15 years. It's fine of you see it differently, but you'd think from age and experience, you would get less fanboyish and be more enlighted in the game industry, and see what is a big deal, and what isn't.

2. Useless reply? You are dismissing my response!?! Yeah, broadened appeal has been a part of Nintendo's success since they started doing videogames. Big deal. Microsoft and Sony are trying to do it too.

3. I am not disguising my opinion as fact, I present it separetly from the fact, and I make the decency of pointing it out to you. Let's go back to the topic at hand, and stop dismissing our claims.

4. Patronising? I am trying to be nice here, because I don't want this to end up as a brawl between us.

5. Yeah, Zelda Wii is meant to be the killer app for motion controls on a hardcore game. I am basing your side of the argument based on the argument that has been presented on this board before, in which people relate motion control to casual games and minigame collections, and not for anything 'serious'. Well, there you go. I am basing this on the differences between Nintendo's E3 conference and Microsoft and Sony's E3 conferences. They are not turning their backs to it, they are trying to make it so you would like it.

6. So you are not going to take this seriously? Fine. I'm done here. I don't believe your age for one second, kid.

1. Irrelevant. If all HD games were like that, then this would be actually relevant to the argument. But they're not. The truth is, there is such a vast number of games on them there are a few franchises which copy others and tread on their toes. If anything that graphic is quite dishonest. You will always get that. None of those games look like Viva Pinata. That doesn't look like Grand Theft Auto IV, which in turn is nothing like Bioshock. It's a sign of the trends of the time. This is why there were so many platformers in the 16 bit era, and why games like Eternal Champions and Mortal Kombat exist.

2. I'm dismissing your response, yes. Your original response was that Nintendo was no longer of broadened appeal. Now you're saying they are, but the other systems are also. Which is exactly what I was saying in the first bleeding post you've been arguing against.

3. Yes you are, you just did! You called me out for using an opinion then offered one of your own, and didn't refer to it as an opinion!

4. I doubt telling me to go have a lie down, accusing me of of being unwell and questioning my age is being nice.

5. The reasons Sony and Microsoft are turning to motion controls is that they can toss out a few easy games and make copeous amounts of money just like Nintendo did. They really should not be encouraged for that. What Nintendo is or isn't doing with their large cast of cartoon characters is irrelevant. Kirby is not going to placate me. I don't consider that hardcore just because it's been around for years.

6. There really is no need. You claim at one point you are being nice and then sign off with this. I mean, from what I know, you could be a stick insect who has never played a game before, and until you prove it to me, I can assume that is the case? Except I have the common courtesy of not calling people liars. I was born in 1981. I will be 29 in just 3 days. Don't call me a kid just because I don't like Nintendo or appreciate what they're doing. It's largely because I'm not a kid and not someone who was a major fan of them way back in the day that this is the case.