Having to press both shoulder buttons triangle 2 aim/fire is not good design

or so says Yahtzee Croshaw in this weeks Zero Punctuation

What is your preference - one button or 3 buttons to fire in an action game?

That's how MGS has always been. :|

Yahtzee exaggerates. It's barely a problem.. -_-

or so says Yahtzee Croshaw in this weeks Zero Punctuation

What is your preference - one button or 3 buttons to fire in an action game?

BayCitytRollers

hahah its so painfully obvious you never played the game lol

its L1 to lock on then R1 to fire but if you wish to enter first person mode then you tab triangle not hold it lol

oh and it works quite well

There is no need to press three buttons to fire or aim. YOu press ONE button to Aim and one button to fire.

That guy is a liar/ignorant/exagerator.

Self ownage.

So I take it sniping wile holding you're breath in CoD4 is to hard also?

I would really love to play against these people :twisted:

L1 to aim

R1 to shoot

just like any other game.

While you're aiming, you press triangle once to go into FPS view.

This is why you don't get your game info from joke reviews.

Owned.

Self ownage.

Nike_Air

At its best!

I love how everyone complains about something Yahtzee gets wrong as if he said something about their mom. It's precisely why the SSBM mailbag episode was a classic.

This is why you don't get your game info from joke reviews.

Owned.

Bread_or_Decide

The contriols are not actually like that and they work perfectly fine.

But i still :lol: at Yahtzee's reviews, i love 'em.

controls are well done, imo. You just need to hold L1 while shooting, then just press triangle once to get into FPview thats it...let it all go and it goe's back to normal. If he thinks thats hard, then my god he doesn't play games often.

controls are well done, imo. You just need to hold L1 while shooting, then just press triangle once to get into FPview thats it...let it all go and it goe's back to normal. If he thinks thats hard, then my god he doesn't play games often.

HardTarget86

I think Yahtzee's reviews are funny when he exaggerates, but his MGS4 review was just straight up lying.

TC: It's not true.

wow. i liked that part. if you don't change anything on the settings you have to hold down triangle to go to fps mode. at least on mine you do.

spoiler..

it really helps when you're fighting against vamp in shadow moses.

wow. i liked that part. if you don't change anything on the settings you have to hold down triangle to go to fps mode. at least on mine you do.

spoiler..

it really helps when you're fighting against vamp in shadow moses.

jlh47

no. on regular settings all you have to do is tap triangle once to go into first person.

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

wow. i liked that part. if you don't change anything on the settings you have to hold down triangle to go to fps mode. at least on mine you do.

spoiler..

it really helps when you're fighting against vamp in shadow moses.

madvalocity5

no. on regular settings all you have to do is tap triangle once to go into first person.

hmm. not on mine. well it's my friends, i'm just borrowing it so i can play mgs. one of my favorite series.

.... you don't have to press 3 buttons to fire. he's just picking at straws because he ran out of unfunny jokes.

it's L1 to aim and R1 to shoot.

I can't believe there are this many misinformed gamers out there. really, get a clue.

It's L1 to aim, R1 to fire. IF you want to go into FPS mode you hit triangle ONCE!!! It isn't hard folks. Nor is it much different from any other games.

Wow this resurgence of the lost gets annoying.

Can you at least fire without having to press L1?wizardwd

That's the one thing you cannot do.

But the first thing that I did when I booted up the game is I went to the options menu (I hated that toggle crap in the beta) and I set it to FPS/TPS MEMORY, which means that when I press L1 it goes into the last aim mode I toggled instead of going from TPS first to FPS.

That way all I do is press L1 and then R1 to fire. It's exactly like bringing up your ironsights in COD. You press L1 to ready weapon and R1 to fire.

Not even close to being complicated. It's as intuitive as you can possibly make a transition from third person isometric or 3rd person with a 3d camera to first person. It's just gravy that you can switch to over-the-shoulder on top of that.

Yahtzee has no dice and he needs to get over himself on this review. I'd like to see him admit at least a few mistakes. The controls in this game were not even close to clunky, he just didn't know how to play. In my opinion, honestly, every game that involves a gun should have the same control scheme as MGS4. I think that it was damn near revolutionary, save the options menus, which are clunky when used in real-time.

I prefer MGS4's control scheme and it's shameful that Yahtzee couldn't note, as, let's say, Game Informer has, that the controls eliminated every single prior issue with control scheme in past Metal Gears. He didn't even mention the exceptional freedom of movement and choice in directing yourself to completing your objective. Flank, grab one guy, cut his throat, shoot the other guy, avoid them altogether, choose seperate paths, help the militia, help the PMCs, wreak havoc, whatever.

I can't believe there are this many misinformed gamers out there. really, get a clue.

It's L1 to aim, R1 to fire. IF you want to go into FPS mode you hit triangle ONCE!!! It isn't hard folks. Nor is it much different from any other games.

Wow this resurgence of the lost gets annoying.

The_Crucible

Options menu>remember first person>L1-R1 to fire in first-person

I heard ...........

My friends have also told me......diped

Play the game for yourself.

Having the top shoulder to shoot in any game is a bad design IMO. Especially since the six axis and DS3 have triggers on the R2, why not use that to shoot.

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

wow. i liked that part. if you don't change anything on the settings you have to hold down triangle to go to fps mode. at least on mine you do.

spoiler..

it really helps when you're fighting against vamp in shadow moses.

jlh47

no. on regular settings all you have to do is tap triangle once to go into first person.

hmm. not on mine. well it's my friends, i'm just borrowing it so i can play mgs. one of my favorite series.

I heard you can't even shoot around corners your hiding behind, thats pretty bad in and of itself. Especially for a "stealth" game. Either that or everyone I've talked to about the game sucks really bad at controlling it. They told me you have to like back up from the cover and slowly move around the corner.

My friends have also told me that moving around and firing and turning corners is kind of clunky and not done very well.

This L1 R1 firing thing is fine, thats how its done in gears of war and I prefered it. Although In gears you can fire with just 1 button if you really want to.diped

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/31703.html

Look at 4:35

The people you talked to lied.

That's how MGS has always been. :|

Yahtzee exaggerates. It's barely a problem.. -_-

ChrnoTrigger

Only MGS4 requires you to hold L1 to aim. In the others, it's just the Square button.. They all have great controls.

It's simply an option. You can push L1 for third person over the shoulder view, or push triangle to zoom into first person view. It's simply an option, not mandatory. I went through half the game not knowing you could push triangle to zoom into first person view.

It's not a bad thing, it's a good thing. Simply an option that not many games will ever give you... the option of 3rd or 1st person.