HAZE writer disses HALO 3

Rob Yescombe, scriptwriter for Free Radical's upcoming shooter Haze, has some choice words about the king of console shooters. According to Yescombe, new-gen games are about more mature, compelling content: "Halo is brilliant, you're a teenager - the next-gen is about becoming more mature ... in Haze you become an adult." Yescombe adds that games should take a page from world events as inspiration, saying, "It's about what's happening in the world today - it's ludicrous, and how can you make something that doesn't reflect that? Well, you could bury your head in the sand and make Halo 3, but the fact of the matter is there are more important things at stake." Haze, it seems, is a satirical work aimed at modern warfare, though Yescombe admits that some may not see the satire.

http://www.gamer-news.org/xbox360/Hazed-and-confused-Haze-writer-disses-Halo/40697/

. . . . Yescombe adds that games should take a page from world events as inspiration, . . . . . .

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Klash47

Don't developers do enough of that?  there are too many war games as is.

No offense to Mr. Yescombe, but I don't see why every work of fiction is somehow juvenile if it isn't a reflection on current world events.

If HAZE does successfully tell some kind of message, though, it definitely deserves some credit. I'll believe it when I see it, but it's good that they have the ambition.  

Haze looks like Far Cry: Predator. :lol:

Ah, a developer in a frenzy for some hype for a game that's set to run straight to the gallows when it releases against Halo 3.

The guy's just desperate, trying to find the only "point" of "improvement" his game has over the reference in the genre for consoles. Still. Halo does borrow enough and does have enough of a message... it's just not riding on the message and doesn't display it blatantly.

I'm a bit hyped for Haze, to be honest, but now, it better be undebatably better than Halo, or I'll get quite a bit of morbid entertainment seeing it fall flat on it's face like Killzone did when it launched against Halo2 and Half-Life 2.

Wait, aren't these the guys who made the Timesplitters games? Hypocrisy much? 

You guys do realize that these comments are made just for attention. Lately, developers (Jaffe most notably) have been making controversal comments/statements just for attention. They want their games to recieve attention, so people can know more about it, and eventually buy it.

When they make comments like Yescombe's, individuals like the OP flock to the forum and post the heavily debated topic--and the game gets all the attention it needs without the publisher paying for marketing. It's genious, but disgusting at the same time; and we are all contributing to this.

Ah, a developer in a frenzy for some hype for a game that's set to run straight to the gallows when it releases against Halo 3.

The guy's just desperate, trying to find the only "point" of "improvement" his game has over the reference in the genre for consoles. Still. Halo does borrow enough and does have enough of a message... it's just not riding on the message and doesn't display it blatantly.

I'm a bit hyped for Haze, to be honest, but now, it better be undebatably better than Halo, or I'll get quite a bit of morbid entertainment seeing it fall flat on it's face like Killzone did when it launched against Halo2 and Half-Life 2.

 

Wait, aren't these the guys who made the Timesplitters games? Hypocrisy much? 

Grive

way to go Rob, instead of pointing out a good aspect of your own game you decide to talk non-sense. I think this guy belongs in SW.

The guys that started Free Radical used to work for Rare, They were the main guys behind Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. They're quality devs. Hell, Timesplitters (1 or 2) was the only AAA ps2 FPS that i can think of.makingmusic476

Never said otherwise. Actually, Timesplitters is a great game that I enjoyed thoroughly.

However, it's hard to think well of such obvious attention wh*ring by senselessly and incorrectly bashing the current reference in the genre, especially if it's both uncalled for and frankly unimportant.

It just seems... petty and childish, so I hope they get their posteriors handed to them this holiday.  IF the game's good, I'll probably end up getting it anyway... I just like seeing people swallow statements like these.

lol yet Haze will not be better than Halo 3 or score higher. You can quote me on that . demon565

no game will score higher than RehasHalo3... not because the game can be any good... but for the fact alone that its "teh halo" series...

like geow... because of the hype casuals and fanboys gave it, it got the score it did, even though it was storyless and had weak mutiplayer 4v4, and repetitive gameplay  

[QUOTE="demon565"]lol yet Haze will not be better than Halo 3 or score higher. You can quote me on that . LawLo_O

no game will score higher than RehasHalo3... not because the game can be any good... but for the fact alone that its "teh halo" series...

like geow... because of the hype casuals and fanboys gave it, it got the score it did, even though it was storyless and had weak mutiplayer 4v4, and repetitive gameplay  

they dont score games on hype

halo 3 will get a great score because it will be a great game

gears of war has an intersting story and the multiplayer is really addictive.

[QUOTE="demon565"]lol yet Haze will not be better than Halo 3 or score higher. You can quote me on that . LawLo_O

no game will score higher than RehasHalo3... not because the game can be any good... but for the fact alone that its "teh halo" series...

like geow... because of the hype casuals and fanboys gave it, it got the score it did, even though it was storyless and had weak mutiplayer 4v4, and repetitive gameplay  

Go away and play your PS3. Opps I mean print pictures on your PS3! :lol:

[QUOTE="demon565"]lol yet Haze will not be better than Halo 3 or score higher. You can quote me on that . LawLo_O

no game will score higher than RehasHalo3... not because the game can be any good... but for the fact alone that its "teh halo" series...

like geow... because of the hype casuals and fanboys gave it, it got the score it did, even though it was storyless and had weak mutiplayer 4v4, and repetitive gameplay

People need to stop trying to bash Halo, I'm embarrassed for them.  

Here I'm gonna be like you for a minute: Final Fantasy will score high only because of the name, same with Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo and Socom. See what I did there? 

You can't even think of a reason to bash Halo, so you resort to "it only scores well because of the name." You're right, we should ignore the logical explanation that the games are damn good and assume that Halo gets consistently high ratings from a variety of sources because of the name. :roll:

[QUOTE="demon565"]lol yet Haze will not be better than Halo 3 or score higher. You can quote me on that . LawLo_O

no game will score higher than RehasHalo3... not because the game can be any good... but for the fact alone that its "teh halo" series...

like geow... because of the hype casuals and fanboys gave it, it got the score it did, even though it was storyless and had weak mutiplayer 4v4, and repetitive gameplay

yea that was the reason why gears and halo had good rating:roll:  thats explains why final fantasy and god of war games got good ratings. since im not a fan of jrpgs and ninja gaiden > god of war.:roll: it all makes sense:P

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

[QUOTE="demon565"]lol yet Haze will not be better than Halo 3 or score higher. You can quote me on that . Vyse_The_Daring

no game will score higher than RehasHalo3... not because the game can be any good... but for the fact alone that its "teh halo" series...

like geow... because of the hype casuals and fanboys gave it, it got the score it did, even though it was storyless and had weak mutiplayer 4v4, and repetitive gameplay

People need to stop trying to bash Halo, I'm embarrassed for them.

Here I'm gonna be like you for a minute: Final Fantasy will score high only because of the name, same with Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo and Socom. See what I did there?

You can't even think of a reason to bash Halo, so you resort to "it only scores well because of the name." You're right, we should ignore the logical explanation that the games are damn good and assume that Halo gets consistently high ratings from a variety of sources because of the name. :roll:

Wow.....just wow........

This guy is a joke, and can anyone say Killzone? What is Haze teh halo killer? What a joke. you make video games, you idiot your not some kind of political activist.

He is right to bash Halo if it is merely from a literary standpoint. Bungie themselves have admited to the massive ammounts of material they were "influenced by" in creating Halo. Halo's story from a literary standpoint is nothing more than a hodgepodge of over 20 different IPs. However, if hes bashing it from some other standpoint, then its merely pedantic dribble from someone with an autocrat complex.Vandalvideo

Ok, so Bungie admitted that they were inspired by many other stories; that doesn't mean that Halo's sucks. It's well put together and the fact that 4 books were published around it with a big following kinda supports that.

Anyway, I was late to the party with Halo 2, even though I had an xbox before its release; I just wasn't really too excited about it at the time. So imagine my surprise when I thought the single player was really good despite all the disappointments I've read about it. Introducing the Arbiter and playing from the prespective of the Covenant was a great touch, imo, and it only added more depth to understanding 'the other side'. Sure, peope want to play more as Chief but that's where Halo 3 comes in ;)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]He is right to bash Halo if it is merely from a literary standpoint. Bungie themselves have admited to the massive ammounts of material they were "influenced by" in creating Halo. Halo's story from a literary standpoint is nothing more than a hodgepodge of over 20 different IPs. However, if hes bashing it from some other standpoint, then its merely pedantic dribble from someone with an autocrat complex.kankthetank

Ok, so Bungie admitted that they were inspired by many other stories; that doesn't mean that Halo's sucks. It's well put together and the fact that 4 books were published around it with a big following kinda supports that.

Anyway, I was late to the party with Halo 2, even though I had an xbox before its release; I just wasn't really too excited about it at the time. So imagine my surprise when I thought the single player was really good despite all the disappointments I've read about it. Introducing the Arbiter and playing from the prespective of the Covenant was a great touch, imo, and it only added more depth to understanding 'the other side'. Sure, peope want to play more as Chief but that's where Halo 3 comes in ;)

King of console shooters is Goldeneye, not Halo.Kahuna_1

i say goldeneye was king of fps during its day. i see halo having the crown atm. 

[QUOTE="kankthetank"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]He is right to bash Halo if it is merely from a literary standpoint. Bungie themselves have admited to the massive ammounts of material they were "influenced by" in creating Halo. Halo's story from a literary standpoint is nothing more than a hodgepodge of over 20 different IPs. However, if hes bashing it from some other standpoint, then its merely pedantic dribble from someone with an autocrat complex.Vandalvideo

Ok, so Bungie admitted that they were inspired by many other stories; that doesn't mean that Halo's sucks. It's well put together and the fact that 4 books were published around it with a big following kinda supports that.

Anyway, I was late to the party with Halo 2, even though I had an xbox before its release; I just wasn't really too excited about it at the time. So imagine my surprise when I thought the single player was really good despite all the disappointments I've read about it. Introducing the Arbiter and playing from the prespective of the Covenant was a great touch, imo, and it only added more depth to understanding 'the other side'. Sure, peope want to play more as Chief but that's where Halo 3 comes in ;)

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Anyway, I was simply talking in general about the (usually) unfounded bashing of Halo (although, I can understand the hate when the game has quite a percentage of unrelenting, often annoying fanbase :P). Plus, the Haze dude is talking in PR language :D

You know what, the writer of Haze really shouldn't attack his competition that way; it isn't becoming and only time will tell if he's the more talented.

Second - Halo's storyline is fundementally appealing because Good vs. Evil is one of the most inherently appealing conflicts: Why was Star Wars so successful? And Saving Private Ryan? They appeal to that urge, that desire to be humanity's Savior against a dominant Threat

Halo doesn't need to be overly sophisticated. It doesn't need to busy itself with "satirical remarks about the nature of modern warfare." It's appealing, and that's what it needs to be.

You know what, the writer of Haze really shouldn't attack his competition that way; it isn't becoming and only time will tell if he's the more talented.

Second - Halo's storyline is fundementally appealing because Good vs. Evil is one of the most inherently appealing conflicts: Why was Star Wars so successful? And Saving Private Ryan? They appeal to that urge, that desire to be humanity's Savior against a dominant Threat

Halo doesn't need to be overly sophisticated. It doesn't need to busy itself with "satirical remarks about the nature of modern warfare." It's appealing, and that's what it needs to be.

AtomicLightbulb

Everybody has different views.  I think the most the Adult games have little to do with anything remotely violent.

Though i do agree that more games need to reflect things happening in the real world (and possibly offer some incite or message), not necessarily war...  

[QUOTE="AtomicLightbulb"]

You know what, the writer of Haze really shouldn't attack his competition that way; it isn't becoming and only time will tell if he's the more talented.

Second - Halo's storyline is fundementally appealing because Good vs. Evil is one of the most inherently appealing conflicts: Why was Star Wars so successful? And Saving Private Ryan? They appeal to that urge, that desire to be humanity's Savior against a dominant Threat

Halo doesn't need to be overly sophisticated. It doesn't need to busy itself with "satirical remarks about the nature of modern warfare." It's appealing, and that's what it needs to be.

Vandalvideo

Thats why HALO was originally a videogame and not a book. Great videogames only need an appealing story to be a quality title 

[QUOTE="AtomicLightbulb"]

You know what, the writer of Haze really shouldn't attack his competition that way; it isn't becoming and only time will tell if he's the more talented.

Second - Halo's storyline is fundementally appealing because Good vs. Evil is one of the most inherently appealing conflicts: Why was Star Wars so successful? And Saving Private Ryan? They appeal to that urge, that desire to be humanity's Savior against a dominant Threat

Halo doesn't need to be overly sophisticated. It doesn't need to busy itself with "satirical remarks about the nature of modern warfare." It's appealing, and that's what it needs to be.

Vandalvideo

Halo needed to appeal to a mass market; it needed a story that was universally appealing. It did its job - and the game does have sublety if you crave it, in the form of religious conflict; if you're truly interested, you can look into the Halo novels, which do an even better job of flushing out the world.

And for the record, if I think something is appealing, then I believe it has quality (at least in my eyes). 

You guys do realize that these comments are made just for attention. Lately, developers (Jaffe most notably) have been making controversal comments/statements just for attention. They want their games to recieve attention, so people can know more about it, and eventually buy it.

When they make comments like Yescombe's, individuals like the OP flock to the forum and post the heavily debated topic--and the game gets all the attention it needs without the publisher paying for marketing. It's genious, but disgusting at the same time; and we are all contributing to this.

TrueReligion_

I agree with you, except for the part where said it was "disgusting". If you were making a game, a movie, writing a book, making an album, ect....you would do the SAME sorts of things. He just is obviously proud of his work and wants to succeed. What is wrong with trying to hype his product? Eveyone else does the same thing. It is the name of the game, man.

I admire him for having the balls to stand up to "teh mighty hALO." myself. Personally, I think that Halo 3 hype has surpassed the reality of what the game actually offers, which will mean that it will fall short of many people's expectations when it releases. Hell from the beta, it is already receiving enough flak. It just looks like more of the same ole' Halo. 

This sort of "reality check" decline always happens when something is so popular for long enough, that eventually, it's hype outgrows the reality of what it actually is, and it eventually fails to meet up to those near mythical expectations that rose above the actual reality of the product. Which ultimately will result in causing it to FLOP.

Not saying that Halo 3 will be a complete flop, I am just saying that I do not think that it will offer anything new, exciting, or groundbreaking. There are, and will be plenty of better games that will not recieve the hype, nor the sales of Halo 3. I expect Halo 3 to be a great game, but nothing like the 'legendary' hype status that it has achieved, lol.

Halo 1 was great FOR IT'S DAY, but Halo is dated now, and I think that it is clealry more than easily beatable on all fronts. So why not have someone step up to the plate, rend the Halo 3 hype curtain, be a rebel, and call it as they see it? I applaud the guy and hope HAZE mops the floor with Halo 3, personally. I am sure that this guy knows full well that HAZE will not be as popular or will not sale any where near as well as Halo 3....but that certainly does not mean that HAZE will not in reality be a better game. You never know.;)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="AtomicLightbulb"]

You know what, the writer of Haze really shouldn't attack his competition that way; it isn't becoming and only time will tell if he's the more talented.

Second - Halo's storyline is fundementally appealing because Good vs. Evil is one of the most inherently appealing conflicts: Why was Star Wars so successful? And Saving Private Ryan? They appeal to that urge, that desire to be humanity's Savior against a dominant Threat

Halo doesn't need to be overly sophisticated. It doesn't need to busy itself with "satirical remarks about the nature of modern warfare." It's appealing, and that's what it needs to be.

AtomicLightbulb

Halo needed to appeal to a mass market; it needed a story that was universally appealing. It did its job - and the game does have sublety if you crave it, in the form of religious conflict; if you're truly interested, you can look into the Halo novels, which do an even better job of flushing out the world.

And for the record, if I think something is appealing, then I believe it has quality (at least in my eyes). 

[QUOTE="AtomicLightbulb"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="AtomicLightbulb"]

You know what, the writer of Haze really shouldn't attack his competition that way; it isn't becoming and only time will tell if he's the more talented.

Second - Halo's storyline is fundementally appealing because Good vs. Evil is one of the most inherently appealing conflicts: Why was Star Wars so successful? And Saving Private Ryan? They appeal to that urge, that desire to be humanity's Savior against a dominant Threat

Halo doesn't need to be overly sophisticated. It doesn't need to busy itself with "satirical remarks about the nature of modern warfare." It's appealing, and that's what it needs to be.

Vandalvideo

Halo needed to appeal to a mass market; it needed a story that was universally appealing. It did its job - and the game does have sublety if you crave it, in the form of religious conflict; if you're truly interested, you can look into the Halo novels, which do an even better job of flushing out the world.

And for the record, if I think something is appealing, then I believe it has quality (at least in my eyes). 

Watch this cutscene from Halo 2; it shows you the quality that Bungie can really bring out with this franchise. Sure, it's not made up of entirely original ideas but it has it's own....umm...uniqueness...or personality, if you will. And I believe, it really is a quality franchise in terms of story and presentation as well (not just gameplay).

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWLLh8Sr6mM

man, id love to smack that pretentious prick around. ludicrous to not make something related to current events -- thats what you get from wanker screenplay writers. because, you know, gaming isn't about escaping reality in any way at all is it? lol... what a complete and utter tool.

i don't like halo all that much, but if i were to diss it i'd link to think i'd do it a bit more eloquently.

I admire him for having the balls to stand up to "teh mighty hALO." myself.

ironcreed

You make it sound as if he did something noteworthy.

You don't need "balls" to spout idiotic nonsense... you actually just need a notable lack of maturity. Especially since the guy has no basis whatsoever to his argument.

Reality Check: Halo was great. Halo 2 was very good - not Halo, but hardly trash. There is no need to "stand up to" the hype of Halo. It's well deserved and well acquired. Bashing the game's "lack" of direct, obvious references to current world events just because your game uses them is childish and petty.

Yescombe's a small person, not a ballsy one.

MGS story is a convoluted series of unrelated nonsensical twists. If, like the game I'm designing, it were to focus more on the mundane happenings of a person's life - even a super stealth agent with an evil twin, it would trascend the immature pseudointellectual rabble that enjoys it and enter into the realm of adulthood.

Am I being Ballsy, worthy of admiration because I stood up to teh MGS!!!1, or am I just being an immature, insecure idiot? The only difference is that I'm just making stuff up in order to prove a point ;)

Some of the team in Free Radical (like the founder) worked on Goldeneye and a bit on Perfect Dark.  Just FYI all you bashing in this thread right now.SergeantSnitch

so that gives them free passes to act like melancholic emo boys? that bleeding heart screenplay writer can eat my teabag.

[QUOTE="demon565"]lol yet Haze will not be better than Halo 3 or score higher. You can quote me on that . LawLo_O

no game will score higher than RehasHalo3... not because the game can be any good... but for the fact alone that its "teh halo" series...

like geow... because of the hype casuals and fanboys gave it, it got the score it did, even though it was storyless and had weak mutiplayer 4v4, and repetitive gameplay