HD-DVD Reaches 100,000 Hardware Units Sold in North America.

Beats Blu-ray...if you don't count the PlayStation 3. by Gerry Block

April 17, 2007 - The North American HD-DVD Promotional Group announced today that the sales of dedicated HD-DVD playing hardware have surpassed the 100,000 units mark. This figure does not represent HD-DVD PC-drives or the Xbox 360 add-on drive. Weighted against dedicated Blu-ray hardware sales (that do not include the PlayStation 3), the HD-DVD camp now claims a larger hardware installation base and the honor of reaching the 100,000 unit mark first.

Looking forward, the HD-DVD camp expects Toshiba's recent price drops on HD-DVD players to bear fruit at retail. Now that the hardware has fallen below the $400 mark, retailers and consumers are expected to react well to a lower barrier of entry. Coupled with the release of major properties like The Complete Matrix Trilogy in May, the HD-DVD group is optimistic for future growth and adoption of the format.

From an editorial perspective, the fact that HD-DVD hardware has only recently broken the 100,000 unit mark in North America after almost a year of availability denotes a relatively lagging overall consumer adoption of the technology. The ongoing format war is obviously doing nothing to benefit consumer confidence or willingness to make a commitment to either Blu-ray or HD-DVD.

Comparing the 100,000 figure to the PlayStation 3 is also interesting. Exact numbers on PlayStation 3 sales in North America are hard to come by, but based upon some extrapolation it can be deduced that there are certainly more than a million PS3 units in homes. As such, Blu-ray's recent lead over HD-DVD in movie-title sales can be attributed in large part to the PS3. Many involved in the HD-DVD camp have discounted the impact the PS3 will have on the market, citing the fact that PS3 owners are likely to be far more interested in playing games, rather than movies, on the console. At the moment this seems not to be the case, but should Blu-ray movie sales fall into decline as the PS3's game library fills out, the HD-DVD camp may eventually be proven correct.

Stay tuned for the Blu-ray camp's obligatory counter-press release.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/781/781378p1.html

Gotta love all those bluray kids talking about "buh buh buh teh bluray sold more"

sadly its not true.

Wait, you don't count the PS3?  Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone. 

Wait, you don't count the PS3?  Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone. 

NobuoMusicMaker

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

 like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

NobuoMusicMaker

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

DoctorBunny

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

Lol, my K800 owns many cameras that are out there.  Vice versa still applies.  It's a freakin damn good camera.

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

NobuoMusicMaker

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

Lol, my K800 owns many cameras that are out there.  Vice versa still applies.  It's a freakin damn good camera.

Ok that may be so, but the bluray player is a very low quality one which will soon be obsolete with the new hardware in the works for br players. you are comparing a mid range camera in your phone to a BOTTOM line bluray player.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

DoctorBunny

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

So basically, because you don't know anyone that purchased the PS3 for Blu-Ray personally. NO ONE ELSE IS EITHER. Here comes the usual HD-DVD camp logic. Remove the PS3 from the equation, and we win!

Buy a bunch of stuff on on day at Amazon, and we're #1.

100,000 vs 1 million. LOL. They should really do a tally of all of all HD DVD players + HD DVD 360 add on vs BluRay Player + PS3. Thats the only way to get an accurate number of installed base. 100,000 is laughably low for any product, I think if they tallied up all the 360 addons the numbers maybe less laughable.pimperjones

Funny how standalone bluray players havent hit that mark yet.

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

TekkenMaster606

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

So basically, because you don't know anyone that purchased the PS3 for Blu-Ray personally. NO ONE ELSE IS EITHER. Here comes the usual HD-DVD camp logic. Remove the PS3 from the equation, and we win!

Buy a bunch of stuff on on day at Amazon, and we're #1.

Umm no. I've sold quite a few hundred ps3's, 90% of the people had no idea what bluray is, the rest were buying it for thier kids and had NO want for it. the use of bluray for ps3 is extremey low. i'd say under 10%

Gotta love all those bluray kids talking about "buh buh buh teh bluray sold more"

sadly its not true.

DoctorBunny

They could mean more movies, not more players.

Another good reason this logic works. The PS3 bluray player will soon be absolete, to where it won't even be able to play most bluray movies. They are updating the firmware and hardware in them to where early adopters of the hardware, even standalones are screwedDoctorBunny

I own a PS3 and like 10 BluRay movies all of them work, I think your mistaking BluRay for HD DVD add on for 360. Last I heard Children of Man doesn't work on 360. 

Less fanboy propaganda and more facts please.  

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]100,000 vs 1 million. LOL. They should really do a tally of all of all HD DVD players + HD DVD 360 add on vs BluRay Player + PS3. Thats the only way to get an accurate number of installed base. 100,000 is laughably low for any product, I think if they tallied up all the 360 addons the numbers maybe less laughable.DoctorBunny

Funny how standalone bluray players havent hit that mark yet.

Maybe it's because the PS3 is the better choice. It only lacks IR. So that makes it inferior? I think not. Every Blu-Ray player out there is upgradable through BIOS updates, including the PS3.  

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

DoctorBunny

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

So basically, because you don't know anyone that purchased the PS3 for Blu-Ray personally. NO ONE ELSE IS EITHER. Here comes the usual HD-DVD camp logic. Remove the PS3 from the equation, and we win!

Buy a bunch of stuff on on day at Amazon, and we're #1.

Umm no. I've sold quite a few hundred ps3's, 90% of the people had no idea what bluray is, the rest were buying it for thier kids and had NO want for it. the use of bluray for ps3 is extremey low. i'd say under 10%

So, where have you sold these PS3s at then? 

I guess you people didn't read WHY HD-DVD hardware reached 100,000.LongshotX2

we're talking stand-alone players, not disks (the AVS forum thing was disks)

No, it's like saying your camera phone doesn't count as a camera. It's a phone first and foremost. Just as the PS3 is for playing games first and foremost.Equinox9

You know, my phone is actually sucky as a phone and better as a camera.  I sorta bought the wrong band for my area.

Yeah that PS3 only plays game logic was thrown out long ago.  Multimedia age buddy.  We're not living the N days.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

DoctorBunny

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

So basically, because you don't know anyone that purchased the PS3 for Blu-Ray personally. NO ONE ELSE IS EITHER. Here comes the usual HD-DVD camp logic. Remove the PS3 from the equation, and we win!

Buy a bunch of stuff on on day at Amazon, and we're #1.

Umm no. I've sold quite a few hundred ps3's, 90% of the people had no idea what bluray is, the rest were buying it for thier kids and had NO want for it. the use of bluray for ps3 is extremey low. i'd say under 10%

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Another good reason this logic works. The PS3 bluray player will soon be absolete, to where it won't even be able to play most bluray movies. They are updating the firmware and hardware in them to where early adopters of the hardware, even standalones are screwedpimperjones

I own a PS3 and like 10 BluRay movies all of them work, I think your mistaking BluRay for HD DVD add on for 360. Last I heard Children of Man doesn't work on 360. 

Less fanboy propaganda and more facts please.  

Yes and Yes, even got talledaga nights with it from my launch ps3. so you need to STFU. EVEN SONY is freaking calling it a budget bluray player, so are all the tech experts out thier. the only people who aren't are the ones trying to justify thier moneys worth.

 It is trash, doesn't give you the quality a standalone will. I would know seeing how I have to demo HD-DVD and bluray players half of the freaking day

[QUOTE="Equinox9"]No, it's like saying your camera phone doesn't count as a camera. It's a phone first and foremost. Just as the PS3 is for playing games first and foremost.NobuoMusicMaker

You know, my phone is actually sucky as a phone and better as a camera.  I sorta bought the wrong band for my area.

Yeah that PS3 only plays game logic was thrown out long ago.  Multimedia age buddy.  We're not living the N days.

Did I say we were? If it had a good quality bluray player in it, it would be a different story. It being the worst one on the market doesn't help it.

I got the BDSP1 for Christmas, and it's a nice standalone unit, but the PS3 offers everything it does, except for IR remotes.

Every Blu-Ray player is upgradble through internet updates. It's why those Pioneer and Sony units have network connections. PS3 offers same video quality, same sound quality, everything else can be fixed through updates.  

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Another good reason this logic works. The PS3 bluray player will soon be absolete, to where it won't even be able to play most bluray movies. They are updating the firmware and hardware in them to where early adopters of the hardware, even standalones are screwedDoctorBunny

I own a PS3 and like 10 BluRay movies all of them work, I think your mistaking BluRay for HD DVD add on for 360. Last I heard Children of Man doesn't work on 360.

Less fanboy propaganda and more facts please.

Yes and Yes, even got talledaga nights with it from my launch ps3. so you need to STFU. EVEN SONY is freaking calling it a budget bluray player, so are all the tech experts out thier. the only people who aren't are the ones trying to justify thier moneys worth.

It is trash, doesn't give you the quality a standalone will. I would know seeing how I have to demo HD-DVD and bluray players half of the freaking day

this competition only alienates the consumer and until there is one format, I refuse to be apart of it...except on forums...DS_fan_atic

Same here. I am just hoping for them to merge. HD-DVD has so many qualities over bluray, but bluray has more studio support since it has the ps3 as a "userbase", whether they use it or not. Also Sony is an amazing movie studio too.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

[QUOTE="Equinox9"]No, it's like saying your camera phone doesn't count as a camera. It's a phone first and foremost. Just as the PS3 is for playing games first and foremost.DoctorBunny

You know, my phone is actually sucky as a phone and better as a camera. I sorta bought the wrong band for my area.

Yeah that PS3 only plays game logic was thrown out long ago. Multimedia age buddy. We're not living the N days.

Did I say we were? If it had a good quality bluray player in it, it would be a different story. It being the worst one on the market doesn't help it.

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Another good reason this logic works. The PS3 bluray player will soon be absolete, to where it won't even be able to play most bluray movies. They are updating the firmware and hardware in them to where early adopters of the hardware, even standalones are screwedpimperjones

I own a PS3 and like 10 BluRay movies all of them work, I think your mistaking BluRay for HD DVD add on for 360. Last I heard Children of Man doesn't work on 360.

Less fanboy propaganda and more facts please.

Yes and Yes, even got talledaga nights with it from my launch ps3. so you need to STFU. EVEN SONY is freaking calling it a budget bluray player, so are all the tech experts out thier. the only people who aren't are the ones trying to justify thier moneys worth.

It is trash, doesn't give you the quality a standalone will. I would know seeing how I have to demo HD-DVD and bluray players half of the freaking day

actually most titles wont with what they are implenting into bluray players in the future. Read daily tech reports, it helps you look less like a fool. I have to seeing how it's part of my job.

 And budget gas won't work on my new car, trans am. Only premium. sorry but your logic thier is bery flawed too. Nice try, you are the one who needs to look at what they are rambling about.

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

[QUOTE="Equinox9"]No, it's like saying your camera phone doesn't count as a camera. It's a phone first and foremost. Just as the PS3 is for playing games first and foremost.pimperjones

You know, my phone is actually sucky as a phone and better as a camera. I sorta bought the wrong band for my area.

Yeah that PS3 only plays game logic was thrown out long ago. Multimedia age buddy. We're not living the N days.

Did I say we were? If it had a good quality bluray player in it, it would be a different story. It being the worst one on the market doesn't help it.

Funny that sony themselves call it a budget player and has acknowleged flaws with the lens early on. Also that mot tech reports even shows its flaws and explain why it would of been beter left out, or with a better player.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Another good reason this logic works. The PS3 bluray player will soon be absolete, to where it won't even be able to play most bluray movies. They are updating the firmware and hardware in them to where early adopters of the hardware, even standalones are screwedDoctorBunny

I own a PS3 and like 10 BluRay movies all of them work, I think your mistaking BluRay for HD DVD add on for 360. Last I heard Children of Man doesn't work on 360.

Less fanboy propaganda and more facts please.

Yes and Yes, even got talledaga nights with it from my launch ps3. so you need to STFU. EVEN SONY is freaking calling it a budget bluray player, so are all the tech experts out thier. the only people who aren't are the ones trying to justify thier moneys worth.

It is trash, doesn't give you the quality a standalone will. I would know seeing how I have to demo HD-DVD and bluray players half of the freaking day

actually most titles wont with what they are implenting into bluray players in the future. Read daily tech reports, it helps you look less like a fool. I have to seeing how it's part of my job.

And budget gas won't work on my new car, trans am. Only premium. sorry but your logic thier is bery flawed too. Nice try, you are the one who needs to look at what they are rambling about.

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Another good reason this logic works. The PS3 bluray player will soon be absolete, to where it won't even be able to play most bluray movies. They are updating the firmware and hardware in them to where early adopters of the hardware, even standalones are screwedpimperjones

I own a PS3 and like 10 BluRay movies all of them work, I think your mistaking BluRay for HD DVD add on for 360. Last I heard Children of Man doesn't work on 360.

Less fanboy propaganda and more facts please.

Yes and Yes, even got talledaga nights with it from my launch ps3. so you need to STFU. EVEN SONY is freaking calling it a budget bluray player, so are all the tech experts out thier. the only people who aren't are the ones trying to justify thier moneys worth.

It is trash, doesn't give you the quality a standalone will. I would know seeing how I have to demo HD-DVD and bluray players half of the freaking day

actually most titles wont with what they are implenting into bluray players in the future. Read daily tech reports, it helps you look less like a fool. I have to seeing how it's part of my job.

And budget gas won't work on my new car, trans am. Only premium. sorry but your logic thier is bery flawed too. Nice try, you are the one who needs to look at what they are rambling about.

I stopped reading after you said best buy. Gotta love you americans

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Another good reason this logic works. The PS3 bluray player will soon be absolete, to where it won't even be able to play most bluray movies. They are updating the firmware and hardware in them to where early adopters of the hardware, even standalones are screwedDoctorBunny

I own a PS3 and like 10 BluRay movies all of them work, I think your mistaking BluRay for HD DVD add on for 360. Last I heard Children of Man doesn't work on 360.

Less fanboy propaganda and more facts please.

Yes and Yes, even got talledaga nights with it from my launch ps3. so you need to STFU. EVEN SONY is freaking calling it a budget bluray player, so are all the tech experts out thier. the only people who aren't are the ones trying to justify thier moneys worth.

It is trash, doesn't give you the quality a standalone will. I would know seeing how I have to demo HD-DVD and bluray players half of the freaking day

actually most titles wont with what they are implenting into bluray players in the future. Read daily tech reports, it helps you look less like a fool. I have to seeing how it's part of my job.

And budget gas won't work on my new car, trans am. Only premium. sorry but your logic thier is bery flawed too. Nice try, you are the one who needs to look at what they are rambling about.

I stopped reading after you said best buy. Gotta love you americans

Wait, you don't count the PS3?  Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone. 

NobuoMusicMaker

ok, so if your using your logic, then if the 360 had HD-DVD built in, then it would beat the Blu-ray about 10 million to 2 million.

Wait, you don't count the PS3?  Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone. 

NobuoMusicMaker

 But your phone doesn't count as a camera.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

black_awpN1

ok, so if your using your logic, then if the 360 had HD-DVD built in, then it would beat the Blu-ray about 10 million to 2 million.

you should count the ps3 as a bluray player since it does play bluray movies

its just that the ps3 is a game console first and a bluray player second

just like a mobile phone/cell phone : a phone first, camera second 

I seriously have to ask myself... is there anything more pathetic than an HD-DVD fanboy?

It's like being an n-gage fanboy. The only difference is that all HD-DVD fanboys are also Xbox fanboys. :|

FYI: The PS3 is an excellent Blu-ray player. If you don't own one, read the reviews before you start spewing lies on this forum. 

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Wait, you don't count the PS3? Fail.

That's like saying my camera phone doesn't count as a phone.

pimperjones

No thats like saying your camera phone doesnt count as a camera, it doesnt. He provides logic as to why they don't. People buy the PS3 for games, who woulda guessed? Not a SINGLE person I know uses the PS3 for its bluray, and i've met quite a few. Most people don't even know what it is STILL.

like I said whine and cry, but the logic is there and VERY accurate

So basically, because you don't know anyone that purchased the PS3 for Blu-Ray personally. NO ONE ELSE IS EITHER. Here comes the usual HD-DVD camp logic. Remove the PS3 from the equation, and we win!

Buy a bunch of stuff on on day at Amazon, and we're #1.

Umm no. I've sold quite a few hundred ps3's, 90% of the people had no idea what bluray is, the rest were buying it for thier kids and had NO want for it. the use of bluray for ps3 is extremey low. i'd say under 10%

Of course they would. What's a ps3 game manufactured on? 

Blu-ray sounds cooler, so it will win.Ben3128947

its funny because its true. hd dvd doesnt sound very cool, it sounds like a slight upgrade from dvd. blu rays sounds like the future! although they are pretty much the same

Beats Blu-ray...if you don't count the PlayStation 3. by Gerry Block

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