HD-DVD Winning the European Race

The Sony backed Blu-ray format has been dealt a blow by the news that a number of independent European studios have decided to release films primarily on Toshiba's HD-DVD format.

Despite trailing Blu-ray sales in Northern America, a Financial Times report claims that HD-DVD appears to be winning the next generation format war in Europe, where 35 films from independent studios such as Studio Canal, Pathe and Filmax have been released on HD-DVD, opposed to just 10 released on Blu-ray.

While admitting that there is a long way to go before a clear victor emerges, Rodolphe Buet, Studio Canal's chief marketing officer, states that the marketing strategies employed by HD-DVD backers were far superior to those of Blu-ray manufacturers.

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I dont care about french movies, first i loved the language because of some sexy women but i relized that my home country pwns every one else in that (Sweden) and i have started to hate the french language.

Oh and they are prolly the most arrogant ppl in the world.

And why didnt you add the news that hd-dvd is outsold by bluray 9:2 http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-34490.aspx

And why didnt you add the news that hd-dvd is outsold by bluray 9:2 http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-34490.aspx-Reggaeton-

I don't get all this crap about HD-DVD and Bluray, because to be honest, who the hell needs it? Tech-heads and home theatre aficionados maybe, but not the general public because a) the players are hideously expensive b) the quality is barely better than plain ol' DVD c) the general public don't know what the hell there new formats are, and don't want them and d) who wants to buy 2 separate players, an HDTV plus your entire collection of DVDs over again because of the "HD Era"? These new formats arent neededpandorax1

Also my opinion.

[QUOTE="pandorax1"]I don't get all this crap about HD-DVD and Bluray, because to be honest, who the hell needs it? Tech-heads and home theatre aficionados maybe, but not the general public because a) the players are hideously expensive b) the quality is barely better than plain ol' DVD c) the general public don't know what the hell there new formats are, and don't want them and d) who wants to buy 2 separate players, an HDTV plus your entire collection of DVDs over again because of the "HD Era"? These new formats arent neededmenmau

Also my opinion.

Actually, HD-DVD PQ is leagues ahead of DVD, and Blu-Ray movies using MPEG-2 

Oh no, the indepenndent studios.

[QUOTE="menmau"]

[QUOTE="pandorax1"]I don't get all this crap about HD-DVD and Bluray, because to be honest, who the hell needs it? Tech-heads and home theatre aficionados maybe, but not the general public because a) the players are hideously expensive b) the quality is barely better than plain ol' DVD c) the general public don't know what the hell there new formats are, and don't want them and d) who wants to buy 2 separate players, an HDTV plus your entire collection of DVDs over again because of the "HD Era"? These new formats arent neededrappid_rabbit

Also my opinion.

Actually, HD-DVD PQ is leagues ahead of DVD, and Blu-Ray movies using MPEG-2 

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"][QUOTE="menmau"]

[QUOTE="pandorax1"]I don't get all this crap about HD-DVD and Bluray, because to be honest, who the hell needs it? Tech-heads and home theatre aficionados maybe, but not the general public because a) the players are hideously expensive b) the quality is barely better than plain ol' DVD c) the general public don't know what the hell there new formats are, and don't want them and d) who wants to buy 2 separate players, an HDTV plus your entire collection of DVDs over again because of the "HD Era"? These new formats arent neededsdelaney86

Also my opinion.

Actually, HD-DVD PQ is leagues ahead of DVD, and Blu-Ray movies using MPEG-2

And hd-dvd has inferior sound 

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

Paddy345

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

[QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

So u are telling me that even with hd-dvd sales in europe doing well, that it comes close to the 4 million bluray's sold already out there, since the ps3 counts as a bluray player aswell, I dont see how hd-dvd can hang?

[QUOTE="menmau"]

[QUOTE="pandorax1"]I don't get all this crap about HD-DVD and Bluray, because to be honest, who the hell needs it? Tech-heads and home theatre aficionados maybe, but not the general public because a) the players are hideously expensive b) the quality is barely better than plain ol' DVD c) the general public don't know what the hell there new formats are, and don't want them and d) who wants to buy 2 separate players, an HDTV plus your entire collection of DVDs over again because of the "HD Era"? These new formats arent neededrappid_rabbit

Also my opinion.

Actually, HD-DVD PQ is leagues ahead of DVD, and Blu-Ray movies using MPEG-2

blu-ray's been using VC-1 for quite some time. 

[QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

squallff8_fan

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

So u are telling me that even with hd-dvd sales in europe doing well, that it comes close to the 4 million bluray's sold already out there, since the ps3 counts as a bluray player aswell, I dont see how hd-dvd can hang?

4 million?  riiiight..:roll:

hd dvd can "hang" becuase of better costs, increased profits, and lower overhead than bluray...

also because the war is still very, very early.... as proven by the lack of interest in either. 

people only have bluray players because of their ps3... not a valid point of argument FOR bluray as there is no way of knowing who, if any, is using their players vs who is using their ps3 for gaming...

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

alfy13

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

[QUOTE="squallff8_fan"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

So u are telling me that even with hd-dvd sales in europe doing well, that it comes close to the 4 million bluray's sold already out there, since the ps3 counts as a bluray player aswell, I dont see how hd-dvd can hang?

4 million?  riiiight..:roll:

hd dvd can "hang" becuase of better costs, increased profits, and lower overhead than bluray...

also because the war is still very, very early.... as proven by the lack of interest in either. 

people only have bluray players because of their ps3... not a valid point of argument FOR bluray as there is no way of knowing who, if any, is using their players vs who is using their ps3 for gaming...

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="squallff8_fan"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

alfy13

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

So u are telling me that even with hd-dvd sales in europe doing well, that it comes close to the 4 million bluray's sold already out there, since the ps3 counts as a bluray player aswell, I dont see how hd-dvd can hang?

4 million?  riiiight..:roll:

hd dvd can "hang" becuase of better costs, increased profits, and lower overhead than bluray...

also because the war is still very, very early.... as proven by the lack of interest in either. 

people only have bluray players because of their ps3... not a valid point of argument FOR bluray as there is no way of knowing who, if any, is using their players vs who is using their ps3 for gaming...

i agree. the ps3 has helped move bluray movies... but to claim victory in a format that does NOT get dictated by a game machine is insane, but not suprised you cows do it...

here's the prob:

1. the money made on movied sales do not help sony's gaming divisions.

2. by using ps3 as movie players also, they are utilizing the drives twice as hard and long as other consoles.  No drive lasts forever and neither will these... the prob is; it costs $600 to replace.... NOT teh $199 of the ps2...

3.  indie studios and porn have the best handle on overhead.. and they back hd dvd.... that should tell you something about the longterm chances, but not suprised it doesn't...

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"][QUOTE="menmau"]

[QUOTE="pandorax1"]I don't get all this crap about HD-DVD and Bluray, because to be honest, who the hell needs it? Tech-heads and home theatre aficionados maybe, but not the general public because a) the players are hideously expensive b) the quality is barely better than plain ol' DVD c) the general public don't know what the hell there new formats are, and don't want them and d) who wants to buy 2 separate players, an HDTV plus your entire collection of DVDs over again because of the "HD Era"? These new formats arent neededsdelaney86

Also my opinion.

Actually, HD-DVD PQ is leagues ahead of DVD, and Blu-Ray movies using MPEG-2

Yeah, but the quality of the VC-1 is lacking. 

[QUOTE="sdelaney86"][QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"][QUOTE="menmau"]

[QUOTE="pandorax1"]I don't get all this crap about HD-DVD and Bluray, because to be honest, who the hell needs it? Tech-heads and home theatre aficionados maybe, but not the general public because a) the players are hideously expensive b) the quality is barely better than plain ol' DVD c) the general public don't know what the hell there new formats are, and don't want them and d) who wants to buy 2 separate players, an HDTV plus your entire collection of DVDs over again because of the "HD Era"? These new formats arent neededkodex1717

Also my opinion.

Actually, HD-DVD PQ is leagues ahead of DVD, and Blu-Ray movies using MPEG-2

Yeah, but the quality of the VC-1 is lacking.

Crank, which has some of the best reviews as far as PQ goes on either HD-DVD or Bluray, was encoded in MPEG-2.   

There are few things more enjoyable on this website than watchching tango fruitlessly make unfounded and innaccurate arguements against Bluray.  It's almost mind boggling to watch him feverishly work.ramey70

lol i know, he is my favorite though, because he self pwns him daily. like yesterday he tried to tell me that MS was the DEV for gears of war and not Epic. now that was funny to see him post such a comment.

i dont think we will be seeing tango in this thread for the rest of day. i have found that evey time he self owns him self, he tends to stay away from the thread he just owned him self in :(

[QUOTE="ramey70"]There are few things more enjoyable on this website than watchching tango fruitlessly make unfounded and innaccurate arguements against Bluray. It's almost mind boggling to watch him feverishly work.alfy13

lol i know, he is my favorite though, because he self pwns him daily. like yesterday he tried to tell me that MS was the DEV for gears of war and not Epic. now that was funny to see him post such a comment.

He, PS-3DO, and KeyWii are my favorite posters hands down.  I should charge them for my lost productivity at work spent reading their posts for amusement. 

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="squallff8_fan"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

So u are telling me that even with hd-dvd sales in europe doing well, that it comes close to the 4 million bluray's sold already out there, since the ps3 counts as a bluray player aswell, I dont see how hd-dvd can hang?

4 million?  riiiight..:roll:

hd dvd can "hang" becuase of better costs, increased profits, and lower overhead than bluray...

also because the war is still very, very early.... as proven by the lack of interest in either. 

people only have bluray players because of their ps3... not a valid point of argument FOR bluray as there is no way of knowing who, if any, is using their players vs who is using their ps3 for gaming...

i agree. the ps3 has helped move bluray movies... but to claim victory in a format that does NOT get dictated by a game machine is insane, but not suprised you cows do it...

here's the prob:

1. the money made on movied sales do not help sony's gaming divisions.

2. by using ps3 as movie players also, they are utilizing the drives twice as hard and long as other consoles.  No drive lasts forever and neither will these... the prob is; it costs $600 to replace.... NOT teh $199 of the ps2...

3.  indie studios and porn have the best handle on overhead.. and they back hd dvd.... that should tell you something about the longterm chances, but not suprised it doesn't...

[QUOTE="alfy13"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]There are few things more enjoyable on this website than watchching tango fruitlessly make unfounded and innaccurate arguements against Bluray. It's almost mind boggling to watch him feverishly work.ramey70

lol i know, he is my favorite though, because he self pwns him daily. like yesterday he tried to tell me that MS was the DEV for gears of war and not Epic. now that was funny to see him post such a comment.

He, PS-3DO, and KeyWii are my favorite posters hands down.  I should charge them for my lost productivity at work spent reading their posts for amusement. 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="squallff8_fan"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

alfy13

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

So u are telling me that even with hd-dvd sales in europe doing well, that it comes close to the 4 million bluray's sold already out there, since the ps3 counts as a bluray player aswell, I dont see how hd-dvd can hang?

4 million?  riiiight..:roll:

hd dvd can "hang" becuase of better costs, increased profits, and lower overhead than bluray...

also because the war is still very, very early.... as proven by the lack of interest in either. 

people only have bluray players because of their ps3... not a valid point of argument FOR bluray as there is no way of knowing who, if any, is using their players vs who is using their ps3 for gaming...

i agree. the ps3 has helped move bluray movies... but to claim victory in a format that does NOT get dictated by a game machine is insane, but not suprised you cows do it...

here's the prob:

1. the money made on movied sales do not help sony's gaming divisions.

2. by using ps3 as movie players also, they are utilizing the drives twice as hard and long as other consoles.  No drive lasts forever and neither will these... the prob is; it costs $600 to replace.... NOT teh $199 of the ps2...

3.  indie studios and porn have the best handle on overhead.. and they back hd dvd.... that should tell you something about the longterm chances, but not suprised it doesn't...

and yet vivid STILL has NOT produced ANY bluray movies...

proving that "support" isn't what the cows think it is...;)

i think you confused me for someone else.. i don't remember the epic/ms conversations...

[QUOTE="ramey70"]There are few things more enjoyable on this website than watchching tango fruitlessly make unfounded and innaccurate arguements against Bluray.  It's almost mind boggling to watch him feverishly work.alfy13

lol i know, he is my favorite though, because he self pwns him daily. like yesterday he tried to tell me that MS was the DEV for gears of war and not Epic. now that was funny to see him post such a comment.

i dont think we will be seeing tango in this thread for the rest of day. i have found that evey time he self owns him self, he tends to stay away from the thread he just owned him self in :(

and cows have to lie just to avoid the truth..

1. the ONLY hint that bluray would "win" is hinged on the ps3.

2. teh ps3 is selling horribly.

3. bluray is more costly.

i just don't see the advantage of bluray.. nor a longterm solution...

sorry...

it's okay.. it'll take years to declare hd dvd winner, but you'll be long off the boards by then..;)

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

alfy13

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="squallff8_fan"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

So u are telling me that even with hd-dvd sales in europe doing well, that it comes close to the 4 million bluray's sold already out there, since the ps3 counts as a bluray player aswell, I dont see how hd-dvd can hang?

4 million?  riiiight..:roll:

hd dvd can "hang" becuase of better costs, increased profits, and lower overhead than bluray...

also because the war is still very, very early.... as proven by the lack of interest in either. 

people only have bluray players because of their ps3... not a valid point of argument FOR bluray as there is no way of knowing who, if any, is using their players vs who is using their ps3 for gaming...

i agree. the ps3 has helped move bluray movies... but to claim victory in a format that does NOT get dictated by a game machine is insane, but not suprised you cows do it...

here's the prob:

1. the money made on movied sales do not help sony's gaming divisions.

2. by using ps3 as movie players also, they are utilizing the drives twice as hard and long as other consoles.  No drive lasts forever and neither will these... the prob is; it costs $600 to replace.... NOT teh $199 of the ps2...

3.  indie studios and porn have the best handle on overhead.. and they back hd dvd.... that should tell you something about the longterm chances, but not suprised it doesn't...

and yet vivid STILL has NOT produced ANY bluray movies...

proving that "support" isn't what the cows think it is...;)

i think you confused me for someone else.. i don't remember the epic/ms conversations...

hmm maybe you should read the post before this one. because once again i think you must of skipped that post for a reason. maybe its because you dont want to accept that you self owned your self?

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

alfy13

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

alfy13

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

i guess you just missed the part where they didn't actually create any movies yet...;)

what people say and what they do are often different..

with you being a sony supporter i would have thought you would have figured that out by now...:lol:

you know the ps3 is in trouble when they start giving you a movie with the playerxboxps2cube

fixed...;)

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray? has "sony" and "playstation" name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn. do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned? yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid? think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

i guess you just missed the part where they didn't actually create any movies yet...;)

what people say and what they do are often different..

with you being a sony supporter i would have thought you would have figured that out by now...:lol:

So once this release is available you will never again repeat the mantra that Bluray doesn't support porn?  Or will you move the goalposts again? 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray? has "sony" and "playstation" name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well I/B/T/L

ramey70

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn. do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned? yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid? think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

i guess you just missed the part where they didn't actually create any movies yet...;)

what people say and what they do are often different..

with you being a sony supporter i would have thought you would have figured that out by now...:lol:

So once this release is available you will never again repeat the mantra that Bluray doesn't support porn?  Or will you move the goalposts again? 

sure why not.. it's just not an indicator bluray will win...

vivid's been selling hd dvd movies since last year... it'll take a lot mroe than one Debbie movie to equate to the sales of hd dvd from vivid...

when they DON'T release it; will you admit hd dvd has the porn advantage?  ;)

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

i guess you just missed the part where they didn't actually create any movies yet...;)

what people say and what they do are often different..

with you being a sony supporter i would have thought you would have figured that out by now...:lol:

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

alfy13

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

i guess you just missed the part where they didn't actually create any movies yet...;)

what people say and what they do are often different..

with you being a sony supporter i would have thought you would have figured that out by now...:lol:

i knew you'd run from the challenge..

begone.. :lol:

"common sense"..? cows should be the LAST ones to talk about that..:lol:

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray? has "sony" and "playstation" name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn. do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned? yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid? think again...;)

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This is obviously a delayed april's fool prank, right?

And HD maybe ne winning in europe now, but PS3 just launched, and it is very likely it will have a similar impact it had on US format wars.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

indie studios and adult movie studios are both embracing hd dvd.. it's simply a better business model....

money will always trump name branding, as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

it's still early... hd dvd is shaping up to be the next leader due to better biz..

bluray?  has "sony" and "playstation"  name associated with it and a HUGE price tag associated with all things bluray..

not looking good for longterm bluray goals...

oh well  I/B/T/L

tango90101

:lol: Where did you get that BS, porn is embracing blu ray last i heard, longer movies with better sound and incase you haven't noticed nearly 1 million ps3's were sold here in 2 weeks and the biggest movie industries are supporting blu ray, just cause a few small industries support hd dvd dosen't mean it's popular. If you wanna see how well hd dvd is doing here compared to blu ray look at sales and industry support and you will see blu ray is a clear winner

great...another noob..

bluray is not working with porn.  do a google about sony not allowing adult movies on bluray....

in fact, Vivid Video is only making HD DVD movies... and they're the #1 distributor...

yes.. bluray SOUNDS like it has a lot of support.. but alas... there is not ONE vivid movie in bluray...;)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9278.cfm

pwned?  yup...;)

begone...

it's funny becuase vivid also said it costs 3 TIMES more to author on bluray than hd dvd...

do you really think movie stuidos will ignore this factoid?  think again...;)

but if you would of read it, you would of read this

" Porn companies have a problem with Blu Ray after its backer Sony Corp. moved to block production of porn format. Blu Ray ignoring the adult industry is heavy influenced by The Walt Disney CO. according to Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group. Vivid did find a REPLICATOR willing to produce BLU RAY porn however, and its belived the company will release DEBBIE DOES DALLS AGAIN ON THE FORMAT IN APRIL"

NOW CAN I SAY TANGO YOU JSUT SELF OWNED YOUR SELF ONCE AGAIN, NOW YOU CAN BE GONE. HAVE A GOOD DAY .

i guess you just missed the part where they didn't actually create any movies yet...;)

what people say and what they do are often different..

with you being a sony supporter i would have thought you would have figured that out by now...:lol:

i knew you'd run from the challenge..

begone.. :lol:

"common sense"..? cows should be the LAST ones to talk about that..:lol:

LOl me running away when i placed all the facts for you ? oh well here something you can read, just read the first paragraph, i guess vivid does have a replicator to make their movies but wont reveal who. but oh well you problaby end up reading it wrong, and once again self owning your self. well i had enough with blind fanboys.