Heavenly Sword 20 milliion Budget = 125K sold... Killzone 2 40 million budget?

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#1 Reyes360
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250 K sold? I guess there goes that argument that because of the amount of money thrown at the developers for the game means it will instantly be a hit.
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#2 tothedogsforme
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huh?
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#3 ff7isnumbaone
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250 K sold? I guess there goes that argument that because of the amount of money thrown at the developers for the game means it will instantly be a hit. Reyes360

lol sure they sold more than that doen't hate. even though most poeple rented it.

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#4 Frostbite24
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Wow it looks like Heavenly Swords flops on sales too.
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#5 Reyes360
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[QUOTE="Reyes360"]250 K sold? I guess there goes that argument that because of the amount of money thrown at the developers for the game means it will instantly be a hit. ff7isnumbaone

lol sure they sold more than that doen't hate. even though most poeple rented it.

it has sold horrible.

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#6 ejstrup
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Killzone 2 isn't out yet :|

Wow it looks like Heavenly Swords flops on sales too.Frostbite24

heavenly sword is an amazing game, although short.

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The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.
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#8 heretrix
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As with movies, large budgets don't mean anything if you are creatively bankrupt.
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#9 MaximumD
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Wait, there's still many ppl who haven't gotten it yet.
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I think a majority of gamers simply rented HS, its not worth the buy cause of how short it is and if it sells at least 400k it will then start making profit (don't forget production and marketting cause they take a chunk out of profits). As for the killzone 2 comment if that game is anything less then a freakin 10 with how much money and resources is behind it then GG needs to be bombed an wiped from existance (you could say the same for MGS4).

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#11 Reyes360
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I think a majority of gamers simply rented HS, its not worth the buy cause of how short it is and if it sells at least 400k it will then start making profit (don't forget production and marketting cause they take a chunk out of profits). As for the killzone 2 comment if that game is anything less then a freakin 10 with how much money and resources is behind it then GG needs to be bombed an wiped from existance (you could say the same for MGS4).

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lets try and not make excuses.

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#12 Silenthps
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if kz2 is online. it'll be platinum
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[QUOTE="Zenkuso"]

I think a majority of gamers simply rented HS, its not worth the buy cause of how short it is and if it sells at least 400k it will then start making profit (don't forget production and marketting cause they take a chunk out of profits). As for the killzone 2 comment if that game is anything less then a freakin 10 with how much money and resources is behind it then GG needs to be bombed an wiped from existance (you could say the same for MGS4).

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lets try and not make excuses.

Excuses for what?

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The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.HarlockJC

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

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#15 SecretPolice
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Confirmed - 500k should sell then correct ? j/k :)
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At least it should be doing better than Lair. If that game made a profit I'll be surprised.
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.D0013ER

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

well they should have made more content instead of putting 2389579867 different languages on the disc

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#18 bobderwood97_1
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Lol, those are terrible sales.125,000(sold)x60(price)=7,500,000(income). 7,500,000(income)-20,000,000(cost)= -12,500,000(net profit). They lost money if they spent the whole 20 mill on making the game heavenly sword, the same with killzone. 250,000x60=15,000,000. 15,000,000-40,000,000= -25,000,000. I would hope that your figures are wrong and that sales will be better, otherwise the PS3 is in alot of trouble.
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All in all, it looks like MS's decision to drop the game was a smart one.
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#20 Eltroz
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same thing is happening to Lair also
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#21 GIJames248
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same thing is happening to Lair alsoEltroz

Except Lair was a bad game. Heavenly Sword was only above average, but very short. Does anyone know where to actually get these sales figure, because they pop up infrequently on gaming sites but I can't find them online.

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#22 Reyes360
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All in all, it looks like MS's decision to drop the game was a smart one.heretrix

agreed....

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#23 Reyes360
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]same thing is happening to Lair alsoGIJames248

Except Lair was a bad game. Heavenly Sword was only above average, but very short. Does anyone know where to actually get these sales figure, because they pop up infrequently on gaming site but I can't find them online.

Heavenly Sword was a one day rental.

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#24 GIJames248
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[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]same thing is happening to Lair alsoReyes360

Except Lair was a bad game. Heavenly Sword was only above average, but very short. Does anyone know where to actually get these sales figure, because they pop up infrequently on gaming site but I can't find them online.

Heavenly Sword was a one day rental.

I never said it wasn't. I was just saying that Lair failed because it was a bad game. HS failed because it was so short. Sony should drop the price down to forty dollars or something and try to increase sail through the holiday season.

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Just give it time people :|
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#26 Douja555
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Why do you think PS3 developers go out of their way to self promote their games,

and in the sametime make a total fool out of themselves.

PS3 is desperate for sales.

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Fail.
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#28 hongkingkong
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125k a hit is it now?
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.D0013ER

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

No lower costs will be the only fix to it...Has long has gaming company spend to much money to give us eye candy games are going to keep being short. There will be some games like Mass Effect that this does not apply. But they will be few compared to the games that are less than 15 hours of game play.

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The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.HarlockJC

GeoW only cost 10 million to make and was longer then HS and a much better game. Throwing money at crappy devs doesnt make the game better in the end. 40 million budget for killzone 2 might allow them to hire a crap lode of artists and programmers which makes the graphics awsome but the fact remains Guerilla is still Guerilla and I havent heard any news of them hiring any competent designers.

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.TOAO_Cyrus1

GeoW only cost 10 million to make and was longer then HS and a much better game. Throwing money at crappy devs doesnt make the game better in the end. 40 million budget for killzone 2 might allow them to hire a crap lode of artists and programmers which makes the graphics awsome but the fact remains Guerilla is still Guerilla and I havent heard any news of them hiring any competent designers.

NO way will Killzone 2 match its hype.

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And yet......ok I got nothing in defense of the PS3.
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Where did you get this 125k figure from?
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Your logic is flawed. Heavily flawed.
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#35 DaysAirlines
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NO way will Killzone 2 match its hype.Reyes360
Of Gears of War? Maybe, I doubt it'll match in quality though. But then again Gears cost 10 million to make.
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[QUOTE="D0013ER"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.ejstrup

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

well they should have made more content instead of putting 2389579867 different languages on the disc

The game was well worth my money.
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[QUOTE="Reyes360"]NO way will Killzone 2 match its hype.DaysAirlines
Of Gears of War? Maybe, I doubt it'll match in quality though. But then again Gears cost 10 million to make.

Heavenly Sword is an utter failure. 20 million to make lol

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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.Reyes360

GeoW only cost 10 million to make and was longer then HS and a much better game. Throwing money at crappy devs doesnt make the game better in the end. 40 million budget for killzone 2 might allow them to hire a crap lode of artists and programmers which makes the graphics awsome but the fact remains Guerilla is still Guerilla and I havent heard any news of them hiring any competent designers.

NO way will Killzone 2 match its hype.

What what? I am not talking about hype I am just saying its possibleto make games that have great graphics witout 40 million budgets as long as the developers are good. Imagine what Epic could have done with 20 or 40 million dollars.

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Heavenly Sword bombed really badly, financially-speaking. It was time-consuming and very expensive to make, and they've barely sold anything. And people wonder why MGS4 to 360 rumors keep popping up.
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#40 rimnet00
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What the hell? I didn't realize that Heavenly Sword didn't even break into the green. That is rediculous!
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#41 Shu76
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You know,numbers for a game sold a month ago doesn't mean the game is a bust..Did you know they still sell PSOne games in stores...it's true.
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#42 godlyinsane
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Wait it says heavely sword sold 221k on VGcharts
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#43 Reyes360
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Wait it says heavely sword sold 221k on VGcharts godlyinsane

ok go with 221K.. what a success

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[QUOTE="godlyinsane"]Wait it says heavely sword sold 221k on VGcharts Reyes360

ok go with 221K.. what a success

Its better than 125k
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Serves them right for charging people $60 for a 6 hour game, which automatically equates to $10 per hour, 6 minutes per dollar. There's nothing logical about buying the game rather than renting it.

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Flopped but it will make it's money back. And 125K is not accurate. Holiday sales will increase, look at UK, surge in sales of HS and resistance last week.
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HS has been out for like a month IIRC...and has sold 130k+....not good...but not bad...130,000 X $60 = $7.8m...also Holiday Season will help and advertising too...I expect HS to sell about 400-500k by the end of the year...
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HS has been out for like a month IIRC...and has sold 130k+....not good...but not bad...130,000 X $60 = $7.8m...also Holiday Season will help and advertising too...I expect HS to sell about 400-500k by the end of the year...-D3MO-

Utter failure. I think Halo 3 outsold Heavenly Sword total sales right now in about 10 minutes.

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[QUOTE="D0013ER"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.HarlockJC

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

No lower costs will be the only fix to it...Has long has gaming company spend to much money to give us eye candy games are going to keep being short. There will be some games like Mass Effect that this does not apply. But they will be few compared to the games that are less than 15 hours of game play.

and this a huge reason as to why bluray is unnecessary
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Flopped but it will make it's money back. And 125K is not accurate. Holiday sales will increase, look at UK, surge in sales of HS and resistance last week.jdang307

How? 20 mil doesn't include marketing (does it also include shipping, packaging, etc?). Plus its not like they'll be getting all the money from the game, that gets split in all different directions.