Heavenly Sword 20 milliion Budget = 125K sold... Killzone 2 40 million budget?

Actually its sold nearly double your quoted figure. Lifetime US sales will easily be above 600k (It will be another 15-20 weeks before it settles to 3-5k a week, and even at that rate it will sell atleast another 100k) Not great, but ok.

EDIT: This is based on Motorstorm performance, which Heavenly sword is roughly performing the same as. Motorstorm is currently above 500k

Actually its sold nearly double your quoted figure. Lifetime US sales will easily be above 600k (It will be another 15-20 weeks before it settles to 3-5k a week, and even at that rate it will sell atleast another 100k) Not great, but ok.

EDIT: This is based on Motorstorm performance, which Heavenly sword is roughly performing the same as. Motorstorm is currently above 500k

rarsi123

[QUOTE="rarsi123"]

Actually its sold nearly double your quoted figure. Lifetime US sales will easily be above 600k (It will be another 15-20 weeks before it settles to 3-5k a week, and even at that rate it will sell atleast another 100k) Not great, but ok.

EDIT: This is based on Motorstorm performance, which Heavenly sword is roughly performing the same as. Motorstorm is currently above 500k

blue_hazy_basic

While that is true, the install base at the moment is considerbaly higher, and will also get a massive boost in the coming weeks after the price drop. Also these figures are for US only. Its not inconceivable that it has sold half a million worldwide, but a more realistic estimate is 350-450k.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="rarsi123"]

Actually its sold nearly double your quoted figure. Lifetime US sales will easily be above 600k (It will be another 15-20 weeks before it settles to 3-5k a week, and even at that rate it will sell atleast another 100k) Not great, but ok.

EDIT: This is based on Motorstorm performance, which Heavenly sword is roughly performing the same as. Motorstorm is currently above 500k

rarsi123

While that is true, the install base at the moment is considerbaly higher, and will also get a massive boost in the coming weeks after the price drop. Also these figures are for US only. Its not inconceivable that it has sold half a million worldwide, but a more realistic estimate is 350-450k.

[QUOTE="rarsi123"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="rarsi123"]

Actually its sold nearly double your quoted figure. Lifetime US sales will easily be above 600k (It will be another 15-20 weeks before it settles to 3-5k a week, and even at that rate it will sell atleast another 100k) Not great, but ok.

EDIT: This is based on Motorstorm performance, which Heavenly sword is roughly performing the same as. Motorstorm is currently above 500k

blue_hazy_basic

While that is true, the install base at the moment is considerbaly higher, and will also get a massive boost in the coming weeks after the price drop. Also these figures are for US only. Its not inconceivable that it has sold half a million worldwide, but a more realistic estimate is 350-450k.

Who knows. I think Heavenly sword may benefit from that launch phase window. Early (good) titles on the 360 even to this day sell decent numbers from people buying new consoles. Oblivion and gears of war have both been doing very well ever since Bioshock kick started the 360 back in August. Resistance and motorstorm have both seen this effect also, and i think warhawk and heavenly sword will also benefit from this.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]All in all, it looks like MS's decision to drop the game was a smart one.Reyes360

agreed....

given the extra time ($) and effort (more $) it takes to make a ps3 game, i'd say many publishers will lose muuuuch money on the ps3..

then again, this was correctly speculated the day sony announced the ridiculous price point...

At least my old GBA games could last me 200 TOTAL HOURS because of replayability. Thats right, game boy games, with game boy graphics. Your telling me that a ps3 game trades better graphics for 190 something hours of gameplay?!?!

What has happened to this world

Delopvers must learn the hard way we dont like mindless hack and slash

Heavenly Sword could've been a good AAA and GOTY Nominee if it were a good 40 hours.

But that's an if. I blame Sony and blu-ray and humans for speaking too many languages.

The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.HarlockJC

No no no.

Blu-ray was supposed to automatically guarantee a game would be long.

Heavenly Sword has definitely done better than 125K, although unless that budget you quoted includes marketing, etc. it will be hard to tell how many they need to sell to see a profit, but I know its definitely done better than 125K even just in the first month and it will likely make a profit in the end.

No no no.

Blu-ray was supposed to automatically guarantee a game would be long.

LosDaddie

According to who? :|

Just give it time people :|Sim_genius

Tell that to a enterprise division that is barely staying afloat, and losing roughly 12 million every game they produce...

Heavenly Sword has definitely done better than 125K, although unless that budget you quoted includes marketing, etc. it will be hard to tell how many they need to sell to see a profit, but I know its definitely done better than 125K even just in the first month and it will likely make a profit in the end.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

No no no.

Blu-ray was supposed to automatically guarantee a game would be long.

Runningflame570

According to who? :|

ummm, sony. :|

250 K sold? I guess there goes that argument that because of the amount of money thrown at the developers for the game means it will instantly be a hit. Reyes360

Reyes, I see your back, and I guess you are truly one of the stupidest lemmings on this entire board. You are not even worth arguing with. I feel dirty from just bumping your thread.

ummm, sony. :|

2scoopsofempty

Yeah..

[spoiler] link or its crap [/spoiler]

Totally agree. Just because a game has an XXXX amount of budget doesn't mean it will sell as much or would sell more to make profit. Heavenly Sword is just one example of a Sony exclusive game with a big budget that didn't sell well and didn't make them any profits. Sony is losing money. Not just in hardware, in software too. Sony will lose more with Killzone 2.

1900!

At least it should be doing better than Lair. If that game made a profit I'll be surprised.aceReborn

Lair sold 150k...

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.D0013ER

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

As with movies, large budgets don't mean anything if you are creatively bankrupt. heretrix

Pirates, Shrek, and Star Wars would disagree with you.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]As with movies, large budgets don't mean anything if you are creatively bankrupt. EvilZero86

Pirates, Shrek, and Star Wars would disagree with you.

What does that have to do with what he just said? Because you have money to make the movie doesn't mean its going to be good creatively as with games.

[QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

Heavenly Sword has definitely done better than 125K, although unless that budget you quoted includes marketing, etc. it will be hard to tell how many they need to sell to see a profit, but I know its definitely done better than 125K even just in the first month and it will likely make a profit in the end.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

No no no.

Blu-ray was supposed to automatically guarantee a game would be long.

2scoopsofempty

According to who? :|

ummm, sony. :|

:lol: Mass Effect :? Says DVD-9 Is fine

:lol: Mass Effect :? Says DVD-9 Is fine

KillaHalo2o9

Blue Dragon
LA Noire
Lost Odyssey
Infinite Undiscovery
Rage
Unreal Tournament 3
Grand Theft Auto IV
Assassin's Creed
Project Gotham Racing 4

All say its a hinderance.

[QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

:lol: Mass Effect :? Says DVD-9 Is fine

Runningflame570

Blue Dragon
LA Noire
Lost Odyssey
Infinite Undiscovery
Rage
Unreal Tournament 3
Grand Theft Auto IV
Assassin's Creed
Project Gotham Racing 4

All say its a hinderance.

Assassin creed.

This argument is so dumb my head hurts. also, Heavenly Swrod sold 184K copies in its first three weeks... more than resistance did, which has now sold almost two million copies...

The size of the budget doesn't really affect the quality of the game that much, since so much of its quality is based on design decisions. Lost Planet was only okay, and it had a huge bidget.

Personally, I see Killzone 2 being crippled by average gameplay and graphics that look really nice but are dull.

250K sold means that they got $15 million in revenue... so they're pretty close to breaking even... I don't know if that's a good thing though.Funkyhamster

Well, not really. Thats what the retail stores got, Sony probably didn't sell them copies of Heavenly Sword for $60 each, plus you have to subtract the advertising costs.

ah, i see your logic. you take one game, and compare it a completely different game that isn't out yet...

good luck in the real world...

[QUOTE="Funkyhamster"]250K sold means that they got $15 million in revenue... so they're pretty close to breaking even... I don't know if that's a good thing though.thirstychainsaw

Well, not really. Thats what the retail stores got, Sony probably didn't sell them copies of Heavenly Sword for $60 each, plus you have to subtract the advertising costs.

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.VendettaRed07

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

Resistance and Heavenly Sword were the two big movers in the surge in the UK with the price drop. It will move units when the price is dropped worldwide.

[QUOTE="Reyes360"]250 K sold? I guess there goes that argument that because of the amount of money thrown at the developers for the game means it will instantly be a hit. ff7isnumbaone

lol sure they sold more than that doen't hate. even though most poeple rented it.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="D0013ER"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]The problem with many next gen games is that they are spending all their money on making the game look nice but because of that most of them are very short. If they would have added about 5-7 more hours more gameplay on to HS it would have sold much better. But a number of new gen games are having this problem.jdang307

But wasn't Blu-ray supposed to be the end-all, be-all to this problem?

Resistance and Heavenly Sword were the two big movers in the surge in the UK with the price drop. It will move units when the price is dropped worldwide.

Killzone will probably be one of the best selling titles of next year (on any system).

Hope it turns out good but I must admit I'm much more hyped about other PS3 titles like MGSIV, GT5, LBP, and a few more big ones next year.

And yet......ok I got nothing in defense of the PS3.Pro_wrestler

Why would you ? You never defend the PS3?