Help me understand the hype of Halo Lore and Story

yeah that sounds like it beats out great story telling to me.

lol...i joke of course

@tryit:

It has a great story too. Or it DID before 353i fucked that up. But it definitely made some major strides in gameplay. Which is all Halo has to its name anymore. Sad but what can ya do, right? ?

the OP is asking about Lore and Story.

I consider Lore and Story in most video games to be highly substandard compared to all other venues of narratives so I dont know the details in the games or how amazing they might be because I try to ignore them.

so yeah...is liquid whatever really that amazing 'lore'? seriously? I am missing out?

@tryit:

It's a PART of the lore. But I was answering err, I mean *replying* to someone else's comments on me liking the supersoldier idea and how common it is. You basically butt in the middle of that.

Story-wise, that's just something the TC would have to check out themselves. We're explained the entirety of it through cutscenes like every game, anyway. What's there to get? I could write out everything but would anyone REALLY wanna read all that?! lol It just sounds silly on paper but then, so do most videogame storylines. It's all the about the EXPERIENCE. ??

what that person was getting to was 'please suggest an example where Lore would be remotely more intresting then 99.9% of narratives out there from movies, film to novels'

your reply was friggin supersoldier

try harder

Halo CE hinted at something much bigger. The manual did something rarely done nowadays, establish who the enemies are and why you're fighting them. Then they pissed it away with poor storytelling and Deus Ex machina.

Mass Effect up to arguably 3, and definitely Andromeda, was one of the best sci fi universes created in recent times. Still managed to bungle it with maybe 3 and now Andromeda.

@tryit:

My original response to that was the universe. Universes are what make every story unique no matter how tired the subject matter is. We have dozens of explorer shit out there in books, games and movies. But there is only ONE Lara Croft and ONE Nathane Drake. Just like there are crap load of supersoldier ideas out there but we only have ONE Master Chief.

So yeah, he's one of the bigger reasons why I fell in love with Halo and that's perfectly normal. Fps games introduce you to the main character first and foremost traditionally. And you learn more about their abilities and what they're about. Master Chief isn't just a super soldier. He was our introduction to what Spartans are like and he created this incredibly high expectation that every Spartan is a badass. Do you realize how high that was?

This guy (Master Chief) wiped alien fleets of THOUSANDS. BY HIMSELF!! He destroyed 2 Halo ring worlds on his own -- the original one twice too! All this with a battle armor that gives minimal protection with a rechargeable shield. That's it! Master Chief doesn't have a built-in arm cannon. He can't walk through lava. His armor isn't upgradable without wearing a completely different set. He can't curl into a ball or even fly without a jet pack. It was mostly skill alone! That and an AI companion in his helmet but that's another story.

One of the most crucial points in videogame storytelling is putting the player against nearly impossible odds. Climbing mountains. Slaying dragons. We look the most into our achievements! We wanna know our efforts effected the virtual world! We want to feel like all of our efforts MEANT something! That's the biggest part of Halo and what makes Master Chief Collection worthwhile. Chief has been through hell and back! Whatever a hero's story is worth to you, that's what Halo had to offer.

And who DOESN'T love wearing power armor?! Iron Man meets Half Life 2, anybody?

@tryit:

Actually come to think of it, Halo's story kinda centers on large scale wars. Large scale combat has always been it's strong suit and kind of a selling point. You can literally watch the AI battle itself humans and aliens even without the player's presence. Everything happens on the battlefield in real time and that's not something that was so common back then. Actually, we hardly see that even now.

Everything kind of revolves around the player these days and every game is about holding your hand which downplays the gravity of the story. Sure, I did this but only because the game told me where to do it and how. In Halo, we're free to approach the fights how we want. Wanna snipe? Look for a sniper rifle and a tall vantage point. Go guns blazing? Bust through the middle and bomb everything. It's more fun when you have options.

Though once again, that just goes back to gameplay. But that's what fps is about mainly. You don't play fps for story alone, that should come later. Gameplay is the real hook.

@SecretPolice: Ha hahahaha

I've always liked the look of Halo games and have been interested in the lore. I've never owned any kind of xbox and was disappointed to find out that The Master Chief Collection is not on PC. Maybe if I can find an Xbone for super cheap or get gifted one I'll see for myself what all the hype was about.

that is actually the best you can do?

no sorry I will stick with HBO Rome which I just finished...amazing show!

@tryit:

Ok, pardon my French here but why the **** are you speaking for the TC? Did YOU create the topic? Is it one of your accounts? All I did was explain what got me into Halo. I'm not some fucking Microsoft sales lady! If you wanna know about it, do your own damn research! I don't have to sit here and explain shit to you or impress you! You probably didn't even read half of what I said!

It's not an alt account, it's just an extremely obtuse individual.

I was a Halo fan until the 4th game. I think you hit the nail on the head when it comes to what makes Halo so appealing. It's not the lore necessarily, it's where the perspective of the player is in relation to the large scale of the over arching conflict. When people extract the game from its original context it loses much of what made it special.

The OP is asking about Lore and Story and asking for a reference to what makes it so awesome.

thus far the answer is 'super soldier'. Now I know movies, novels and Drama TV series are not video games but even bad film is better than just 'super solider' as an answer.

so...what is compelling about the Lore and Story of Halo?

Question: What makes the lore and story so awesome?

Answer: The games (1-3).

You can extract any fantasy universe from its media presentation and make a case that it isn't interesting or "special". No reasonable individual thinks thats a fair thing to do. You obviously have no interest in being fair.

really? 'the games' that is your answer.

lol...ok so got it, not 'super soldier' but rather 'the games'

can you be anymore abstract?

Extracting Halo's lore/story from the context of the games for the sake of criticism is entirely "abstract", and that's exactly what you're asking someone to do. There are plenty of instances where the lore of a fantasy universe fails to appeal to anyone who doesn't enjoy the movies / books that exist within it. You're being intellectually dishonest if you're going to insist that this context doesn't matter.

lame response.

if you ever want to know what makes The Wire compelling just let me know, I will do a better job then 'the show'

I 'discredit' other peoples opinion that being described in two words as 'the show'?

do I have that correct?

how exactly am I 'discrediting' the opinion of 'the show'

My point is that no one is going to give you an elaborate response when all you do is refute with something like "try harder next time" or some other smart ass comment like you have to others in this thread.

is that another way of saying 'the movie' is actually NOT the answer?

so you saying 'the movie' IS the answer.

look if its all about me and my character then it means the answer is NOT 'the movie' but you say it is. it cant be both. so we will just go back and forth on this until you break the chain with new information.

its either the answer or its not

It is the answer prove me wrong.

I am not interested in proving you wrong I just wanted to get the 'record straight' so to speak.

so again you are saying I am 'discrediting' the opinion of 'the game'

I would like to know HOW I am discrediting the opinion of 'the game' exactly. because that is not even coherent.

how is 'the game' an opinion? how does one 'discredit' it?

if you dont want to tell me, that is fine move on.

I'm being ironic. Your whole shtick is that if someone's opinion doesn't meet your criteria then it is inherently invalid and no counter argument is required. You discredited nepu7supastar7's post because it was highly subjective, despite the fact that the whole thread is entirely subjective. How is anyone supposed to argue with that?

and what exactly was their opinion and how exactly did I 'discredit' their opinion?

the answer is 'super soldiers' and how did I discredit them? I dont know, but my opinion was that The Wire is more compelling then 'super soliders'

The reality is that no one is making a case that Halo's lore is exceptional by any standard. You're trying too hard to make someone's opinion into something it isn't so that you can mock and ridicule them for having poor taste. Unfortunately it isn't working out for you.

that doesnt make any sense.

again

1. The OP is asking why the Lore and the Story is so compelling, you are saying his answer to that question is actually not the answer to his question?

2. how is 'I disagree with that I think 'super soliders' is a bad example of a compelling Lore or Story.' anything other than a disagreement. You seem to think any disagreement whatsoever is being rude, just if it comes from me it appears

please read the title of the OP, this is the context of my response

1. Obtuse as usual. Someone can explain the hype behind something without describing and endorsing it as being exceptional.

2. You're not rude, you're just obtuse. It's not that you disagree, it's that you oversimplify and misrepresent others perspectives so that you can have a childish argument with a position that no one has stated. Get over yourself.

1. then there is nothing wrong with him clarifying that. which he hasnt.

2. whatever bro

This might help

Question: Help me understand the hype of Halo Lore and Story

Answer: Super Soldiers

I have an issue with the answer to the question

@Johnny-n-Roger:

It honestly sounds like @tryit just wants you to write out an entire essay about what makes Halo great. This person is worse than my old English teacher! If you can't answer the question that's subjective with your own personal experience then how the hell are you supposed to do it? What's the point if all they keep saying is: "lol Try harder!"

Why??