Hermit franchises that were 'dumbed down' for consoles

-Call of Duty Actually CoD was never an "intellectual" game if you know what I'm saying

-Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter was still a hardcore tactical shooter on the PC

-Deus Ex That was a mediocre game on all platforms

-The Elders Scrolls For the better if you ask me

-Fallout Not really a fan of the series but I doubt it would be drastically different if it was PC exclusive

-The "Shock" series BioShock isn't System Shock 3, just a spiritual successor

-Thief Thief 3 was still enjoyable

-XCOM Don't know about that

-CNC C&C4 was PC exclusive but sucked bad

-Dungeon Seige You may have a point but I don't care about this series

-Dragon Age Perhaps

-Crysis2 Yes but it wasn't as bad as some try to make it seem

Jankarcop

Ghost Recon, Unreal Tournament, Dragon Age, Elder Scrolls, Command and Conquer, ShadowDeathX

Command and conquer was dumb down ?

Dragon Age 2 was the most noticeable. Not consoles fault but made me hate them a little bit.

Elitro

Considering the first Dragon Age was also on consoles, you can't blame the consoles for this decision. This was just a bad gameplay change by Bioware/EA.

in other words PC gamers don't buy games :PJohn_Read

Many games that are held in high regard by PC gamers such as Deus Ex were, indeed, commercial failures. You just can't blame it all on the consoles :P

Call of Duty. :o

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

-Deus ExThat was a mediocre game on all platforms

nameless12345

Can't troll me bro,

http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/250533-deus-ex/index.html

"It was a frequent candidate for and winner ofGame of the Yearawards,[5][6][7][8]drawing praise for its pioneering designs in player choice and multiple narrative paths.[9][10]It has sold more than 1 million copies, as of April 23, 2009."

"Deus Exhas earned a number of awards and many nominations, including over 40 "Game of the Year" and/or "Best in ****/a>" awards in magazines and websites.[85]This includes awards from theBritish Academy of Film and Television Arts,IGN,GameSpy,PC Gamer,Computer Gaming World, and The Adrenaline Vault, among many others.[7][77][86]Deus Exwas also awarded "Excellence in Game Design" and "Game Innovation Spotlight" at the 2000Game Developers Choice Awardsand won in the "Computer Innovation" and "Computer Action/Adventure" categories at theInteractive Achievement Awards.[8][87][88]It has additionally received many "Best Story" accolades, including first prize in the 2006Gamasutra"Quantum Leap" awards for storytelling in a video game.[89][90]

Deus Exhas appeared in a number of "Greatest Games of All Time" lists andHall of Famefeatures, placing in the top thirty for most, and in the top ten for many. This includes IGN's "100 Greatest Games of All Time" (#40, #21 and #34 in 2003, 2005 and 2007 respectively), "Top 25 Modern PC Games" (#4 in 2010) and "Top 25 PC Games of All Time" (#20 and #21 in 2007 and 2009 respectively) lists;[79][91][92][93][94][95]GameSpy's "Top 50 Games of All Time" (#18 in 2001) and "25 Most Memorable Games of the Past 5 Years" (#15 in 2004) lists;[96][97]GameSpy's "Hall of Fame";[78]PC Gamer's "Top 100 PC Games of All Time" (#2, #2, #1 by staff and #4 by readers in 2007, 2008, 2010 and 2010 respectively) and "50 Best Games of All Time" (#10 and #27 in 2001 and 2005) lists;[80][81][82][83][98][99]PC Zone's "101 Best PC Games Ever" (#1 in 2007) list;[44]Yahoo!UK Video Games' "100 Greatest Computer Games of All Time" (#28) list;[100]Edge's "The 100 Best Videogames"[sic] (#29 in 2007) and "100 Best Games to Play Today" (#57 in 2009) lists;[101][102]andGameFAQs' "Top 100 Games of All Time" (#67 in 2005) list.[103]It was also named the second-best game of the decade byGamasutra[76]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

-Call of Duty Actually CoD was never an "intellectual" game if you know what I'm saying

-Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter was still a hardcore tactical shooter on the PC

-Deus Ex That was a mediocre game on all platforms

-The Elders Scrolls For the better if you ask me

-Fallout Not really a fan of the series but I doubt it would be drastically different if it was PC exclusive

-The "Shock" series BioShock isn't System Shock 3, just a spiritual successor

-Thief Thief 3 was still enjoyable

-XCOM Don't know about that

-CNC C&C4 was PC exclusive but sucked bad

-Dungeon Seige You may have a point but I don't care about this series

-Dragon Age Perhaps

-Crysis2 Yes but it wasn't as bad as some try to make it seem

nameless12345

Oblivion and fallout are much better experiance on pc.... so is every multi plat, in Oblivion if you dont like somthing mod it out...

Also this whole word "consolized" is the most overused word I have seen on these forums. Stacks right up there next to "overrated,"

I should also probably mention that its the dumbest and most missused word I have ever seen on the internet.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Ghost Recon, Unreal Tournament, Dragon Age, Elder Scrolls, Command and Conquer, DarkLink77

It is kinda baffling why they changed UT3 so much though, because they successfully managed to keep a distinction between PC UT and console Unreal last gen. (UT2k4 and UC2 rocked on the PC and Xbox without alienating either fanbase).

Crysis 2, DA2, Rainbow Six.....it's sad to see such a quantum leap from a fun challenge to something you could probably sleep your way through to the end

I would strongly argue that Civilization was streamlined in the move from Civ IV to Civ V and plays much better as a result. For people who want even simpler, there's Revo on the consoles, although I still wouldn't call it dumbed down. I dunno, that phrase reeks of sour grapes on the part of PC gamers. The instant a game or series is ported to consoles, they immediately claim the series is now garbage and will be a shadow of what it was when it was PC exclusive.DJ_Lae

PC Gamers are consolephobes.

Call of Duty. :o

DarkLink77

Also, Aliens vs. Predator.

DarkLink77

Ummm how. I played alot of AVP on pc and the recent one and games didint feel all that different at all when it came to the gameplay.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty. :o

vashkey

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Also, Aliens vs. Predator.

finalfantasy94

Ummm how. I played alot of AVP on pc and the recent one and games didint feel all that different at all when it came to the gameplay.

The original AVP and the new one have a lot in common, Rebellion did both. AVP2, which Monolith did, was freaking awesome though. Large, open environments and a lot more freedom to move around as the Predator. They also did a great job of making the Marine campaign atmospheric and awesome. Plus the story intertwined, but it didn't replay the same 6 stages over and over like the new game. You also couldn't melee aliens over as the Marine... which I just have to point out, because that was ****ing stupid in the new one.

Also to the TC, I'd argue that Alone in the Dark got better as it went along until it eventually started to suck. Which had little to do with consoles imo.

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty. :o

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="vashkey"] I'd say Modern Warfare 2 is really the only instance of this in the series.vashkey

Having more players doesn't make this game better, the maps are designed to be at 12 players on consoles (I think.) On PC you can play up to 18(Ranked) or 24(unranked), but it just makes the game more chaotic, especially on the smaller maps. You can lean around corners in Black Ops...Whoop de do bro. Like you will ever EVER use the lean in Black ops. Its so slow and useless just like in previous Call of Duty games.

Let me tell you plenty of reasons why this sticks out as a console game.

-The optimization and load times are horrid, and the game doesn't even look as good as MW2. Even after all their useless patches, the game is still unplayable on my system(even setting graphics all the way to low doesn't help.) I know I'm not the only person who has this problem. The game just works randomly on other peoples systems and it doesn't on others.

-The hidden zombie game you unlock doesn't work well at all with the M+K. It was obviously designed with a gamepad, but Treyarch made very little effort to make it work on PC.

-The campaign is also filled with quick time events that are mapped badly on to the keyboard. It seriously asks you to HOLD THE SHIFT KEY AND TAP THE V Key. It doesn't feel right at all on PC. It feels like they took the button prompts from the console version and plastered them onto the keyboard.

-Some of the menus are hard to navigate on the PC.

-Wager matches don't work well at all on PC.

-The server Browser is downright terrible.

etc etc

That's all I can think of at the top of my head. I don't care if Black Ops has more "PC features." I want a game that plays well on PC and MW2 provides that. Sure, its lame that there are no dedicated servers, but at least the game isn't broken in every single way like Black ops is.

Duke Nukem Forever.

You can only carry two weapons.....obviously meant to fit for the consoles controls.

Duke Nukem Forever.

You can only carry two weapons.....obviously meant to fit for the consoles controls.

RyviusARC

The original Call of Duty was a PC only game and you could only carry two weapons(not counting grenades).

Believe it or not the two weapon storage limitation doesn't exist purely to comfortably accommodate console controls. If you've read up on the history on DNF's development you would see that the game was constantly being pushed back partially because Brousard would see some cool idea in another shooter and want to incorporate it into his game. It's entirely possible the two weapon storage limitation was another one of those game design ideas he liked and decided to put in the game.

Console shooters can easily do higher weapon limitations. Gears could do four thanks to going with the D-pad as a means to twitching weapons and games like Bioshock make use of a radial menu to switch weapons.

I really enjoyed Bioware's streamlined RPG/TPS hybrid Mass Effect 2. I know this doesn't make me edgy or internet nerd police approved, but I thought they were great.

I really wouldn't call it "dumbed down" since most of these "dumbed down" games are far better then their previous "undumbed down" versions.

Well, back in the day when I would do the hermit thing myself, #1 would have to be Bungie's HALO since it started off as a RTS for PC. :o

Thank goodness however, MS done the appropriate amount of arm twisting and the rest as they say is history. :P

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty. :o

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Also, Aliens vs. Predator.

IndianaPwns39

Ummm how. I played alot of AVP on pc and the recent one and games didint feel all that different at all when it came to the gameplay.

The original AVP and the new one have a lot in common, Rebellion did both. AVP2, which Monolith did, was freaking awesome though. Large, open environments and a lot more freedom to move around as the Predator. They also did a great job of making the Marine campaign atmospheric and awesome. Plus the story intertwined, but it didn't replay the same 6 stages over and over like the new game. You also couldn't melee aliens over as the Marine... which I just have to point out, because that was ****ing stupid in the new one.

Also to the TC, I'd argue that Alone in the Dark got better as it went along until it eventually started to suck. Which had little to do with consoles imo.

Yea but most of those things had nothing to do with it being console related. It was all developers choices. The preditors could have more open filed more if they wanted to if the devs did so. Also I felt the atmospher for all the AVP games as marines felt the same. Though its not a bad thing since it felt very tense.

Actually, moving to consoles gives these games a much needed boost and lets them truly shine.TheMoreYouOwn

Your sig doesn't help your credibility with this kind of post.

[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

The original AVP and the new one have a lot in common, Rebellion did both. AVP2, which Monolith did, was freaking awesome though. Large, open environments and a lot more freedom to move around as the Predator. They also did a great job of making the Marine campaign atmospheric and awesome. Plus the story intertwined, but it didn't replay the same 6 stages over and over like the new game. You also couldn't melee aliens over as the Marine... which I just have to point out, because that was ****ing stupid in the new one.

Also to the TC, I'd argue that Alone in the Dark got better as it went along until it eventually started to suck. Which had little to do with consoles imo.

finalfantasy94

Yea but most of those things had nothing to do with it being console related. It was all developers choices. The preditors could have more open filed more if they wanted to if the devs did so. Also I felt the atmospher for all the AVP games as marines felt the same. Though its not a bad thing since it felt very tense.

Well, I was just stating the differences between AVP2 and the newest one. I didn't really mean that it was consolized, although that's what the topic is about :P Oops

AVP was just Rebellionized, given their current track record that's a horrible thing.

Actually, moving to consoles gives these games a much needed boost and lets them truly shine.TheMoreYouOwn

lol Thief 3 was not dumbed down or simplified. It has some of the most detailed level design and the most formidable stealth mechanics in any game. biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]lol Thief 3 was not dumbed down or simplified. It has some of the most detailed level design and the most formidable stealth mechanics in any game. AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]lol Thief 3 was not dumbed down or simplified. It has some of the most detailed level design and the most formidable stealth mechanics in any game. biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]But it still was simplified, both gameplay wise and level wise. Altough calling it "dumbed down" is too much. It might not have been as good as Thief2, but to put it in the same category as IW or R6 Vegas is just insane.

goldari

Buddy, firstly, I was talking about Thief not Starcraft

Secondly, if you think Starcraft 2 is pickup and play, try the online mode against some of these Europeans! Right now! Find a game and see how you go!!

[QUOTE="goldari"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"] I don't see how. Some brief load times and loot glint is not dumbing down or simplifying. The real time lighting effects, like guards carrying lit torches, were a significant game play additions, not in the prequels either. There were also more opportunities for looting the city streets too. biggest_loser

Buddy, firstly, I was talking about Thief not Starcraft

Secondly, if you think Starcraft 2 is pickup and play, try the online mode against some of these Europeans! Right now! Find a game and see how you go!!

ah pc gamers always wanting to make gaming as hard and inaccessible as possible

Most of my gaming is on consoles now but even I will admit that hermits have a point when they say consoles 'dumb down' their beloved franchises. Usually by streamlining the entire interface into a much less complicated control system, although sometimes out of necessity. Some examples: Deus Ex Bioware RPGs Civilization (although pc still keeps the regular version, thank god) Alone in the Dark Battlefield (with Bad Company) What are some franchises that used to be pc exclusives that got much more complex on consoles? Do they exist?The__MCP

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]lol Thief 3 was not dumbed down or simplified. It has some of the most detailed level design and the most formidable stealth mechanics in any game. biggest_loser

:lol: they weren't dumbed down by consoles they were dumbed down to actually make money for once.

WilliamRLBaker

Civilization V was "dumbed down" from Civ 4, and those two games were PC only. Do hermits really think "casualization" never would have occurred had consoles never existed? Look where we are today. With Facebook and the mobile games sector growing, I can almost guarantee games would still be made to appeal to a more widespread market. Casualization was bound to happen as the target audience grew, like it or not.

Vari3ty

My problem isn't casualization. My problem is when a developer sits down and says "****! How do we fit all of these functions onto a controller?!" and either goes the kojima route and overloads the controller with pressure sensetive commands or goes a different route and removes features almost entirely. My problem is definitely a developers descision, but the problem arises because of differences in hardware platforms.

:lol: they weren't dumbed down by consoles they were dumbed down to actually make money for once.

WilliamRLBaker

:roll: right

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]There are civilization games on consoles?GD1551

Yes.. I think it's called Civ: revolution? Could be wrong, can't remember.