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#1 evilbarbarian
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I have a question for you guys. You all act like the Intel Core 2 Duo's are gods, however, the GHz on these things are low. Like 2.13 low. When Crysis needs over 3 GHz, unless you're able to overclock, is there no hope?
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#3 mutenpika
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Hee hee! This is some of the funniest self-ownage I've ever seen. Is this guy for real?

Edit: Clock speeds haven't been the end-all since the Pentium 4 VS. Athlon XP era.

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first off Crysis needs a P4 3 GHZ Thats weaker then the weakest core 2 duo. Second, Core 2 duo, has just that 2 cores. Third, Clock speeds dont matter, efficiency does. AMDs have a much lower Clock speed then Intel CPU's yet they perform equally.
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#5 Snagal123
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Clock speed isin't the only thing which makes a good CPU...
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#7 smokeydabear076
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first off Crysis needs a P4 3 GHZ Thats weaker then the weakest core 2 duo. Second, Core 2 duo, has just that 2 cores. Third, Clock speeds dont matter, efficiency does. AMDs have a much lower Clock speed then Intel CPU's yet they perform equally.cobrax25
I thought that was a rumour.
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The Ghz rating stopped being important when AMD released the Athlon. It's not even good as a general guide anymore. It's about efficiency: if CPU 1 can do 10 things in one click while CPU 2 can only do 5 things, then CPU 2 will have to be twice as fast as CPU 1. In laymans terms.
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I have a question for you guys. You all act like the Intel Core 2 Duo's are gods, however, the GHz on these things are low. Like 2.13 low. When Crysis needs over 3 GHz, unless you're able to overclock, is there no hope?
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And u say u r a pc gamer!? get out OF HERE!
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So by your logic a Celeron 2GHZ is faster than an AMD XP 1.8GHZ because the Celeron has a bigger number? Thread of the year.
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#11 Merovingin33
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why is this in system war. it's a question
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#12 -KinGz-
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I have a question for you guys. You all act like the Intel Core 2 Duo's are gods, however, the GHz on these things are low. Like 2.13 low. When Crysis needs over 3 GHz, unless you're able to overclock, is there no hope?
evilbarbarian
Seriously what makes you think Operation frequency it's the performance guide of a processor?
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#13 tramp
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ahahahaha, joke thread right?
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why is this in system war. it's a questionMerovingin33
Why is it even on gamespot....?
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]first off Crysis needs a P4 3 GHZ Thats weaker then the weakest core 2 duo. Second, Core 2 duo, has just that 2 cores. Third, Clock speeds dont matter, efficiency does. AMDs have a much lower Clock speed then Intel CPU's yet they perform equally.smokeydabear076
I thought that was a rumour.

It probably is just a rumor, but I went with the TC, just for that purpose. Though I guess, a Recommended amount like that is probable.
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#16 smokeydabear076
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why is this in system war. it's a questionMerovingin33
I ask questions all the time here in system wars. Why are you surprised to see one?
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#17 Merovingin33
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[QUOTE="Merovingin33"]why is this in system war. it's a question-KinGz-
Why is it even on gamespot....?

 


holy moley!

*head explodes* 

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#18 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]first off Crysis needs a P4 3 GHZ Thats weaker then the weakest core 2 duo. Second, Core 2 duo, has just that 2 cores. Third, Clock speeds dont matter, efficiency does. AMDs have a much lower Clock speed then Intel CPU's yet they perform equally.cobrax25
I thought that was a rumour.

It probably is just a rumor, but I went with the TC, just for that purpose. Though I guess, a Recommended amount like that is probable.

Indeed, I have an E6600 so I do not have to worry about this anyways.:)
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#19 evilbarbarian
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I honestly wasn't making this thread is a derogatory way. I want to get into PC gaming big time, but I don't have much knowledge on the subject. So anyway, a 6400 or 6600 would suffice, without overclocking?
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#20 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]first off Crysis needs a P4 3 GHZ Thats weaker then the weakest core 2 duo. Second, Core 2 duo, has just that 2 cores. Third, Clock speeds dont matter, efficiency does. AMDs have a much lower Clock speed then Intel CPU's yet they perform equally.smokeydabear076
I thought that was a rumour.

It probably is just a rumor, but I went with the TC, just for that purpose. Though I guess, a Recommended amount like that is probable.

Indeed, I have an E6600 so I do not have to worry about this anyways.:)

yeah, C2D's arent even close to reaching their potential. not to mention you can overclock them very well.
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#21 cobrax25
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I honestly wasn't making this thread is a derogatory way. I want to get into PC gaming big time, but I don't have much knowledge on the subject. So anyway, a 6400 or 6600 would suffice, without overclocking?
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easily. Much more then enough.
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#22 Snagal123
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So by your logic a Celeron 2GHZ is faster than an AMD XP 1.8GHZ because the Celeron has a bigger number? Thread of the year.16bitkevin

 

Many, many people every day full for this, bigger number must equal better...its very easy to make money out of people for not knowing.

Its partly the manufactors fault imo, there naming system does nothing to help the average consumer...8800GTS, GTS, x1900XTX, XT, Pro, X2, 4400, 520, 660 etc etc

 

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#23 smokeydabear076
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I honestly wasn't making this thread is a derogatory way. I want to get into PC gaming big time, but I don't have much knowledge on the subject. So anyway, a 6400 or 6600 would suffice, without overclocking?
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You should talk to the PC hardware guys they will be able to help in a much less hostile manner.;)
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#24 coolguy1111
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Clock speeds mean little, a 2.3 ghz can be way faster then a 3.0, ie athlons vs P4s.
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#25 coolguy1111
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Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question.
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I have a question for you guys. You all act like the Intel Core 2 Duo's are gods, however, the GHz on these things are low. Like 2.13 low. When Crysis needs over 3 GHz, unless you're able to overclock, is there no hope?
evilbarbarian

 

You obviously know nothing about hardware. GHZ is one of the least important things when buying a CPU. You just owned yourself bud. 

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#27 smokeydabear076
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Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. coolguy1111
Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.
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#28 cobrax25
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yes, it sounded like he was being sarcastic.
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#29 mutenpika
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I honestly wasn't making this thread is a derogatory way. I want to get into PC gaming big time, but I don't have much knowledge on the subject. So anyway, a 6400 or 6600 would suffice, without overclocking?
evilbarbarian

In that case, I sincerely apologize for my remarks and wish you a good day. And yes, an E6600 would do wonderfully. Good gaming!

I have been self-owned by my own contentiousness, paranoia, and stupidity.

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#30 coolguy1111
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[QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. smokeydabear076
Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. coolguy1111
Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

 

Is AMD even coming out with new CPU's to compete with the cheap C2D's like the E6300 and E6400?  

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. coolguy1111
Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

yes, thats true, but right now, for the price you pay, there isnt anything better then a core 2 duo.
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A C2D @3.0ghz is faster than a pentium 4 @7.0ghz

 

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#34 evilbarbarian
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My bad for sounding hostile, it wasn't my intention. I kind of had to make it sound like an arguement though, seeing as it's in SW, and I didn't want it to get locked. I would have put it in the hardware section, but I rarely get replies in there. :(
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#35 F-Minus
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My bad for sounding hostile, it wasn't my intention. I kind of had to make it sound like an arguement though, seeing as it's in SW, and I didn't want it to get locked. I would have put it in the hardware section, but I rarely get replies in there. :(
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Right way to do it next time:

Educate > Educate more > Post topic > Don't look stupid. 

 

 

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. coolguy1111
Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

 

Something tells me intel may stay on top for some time...

AMD was dominating for so long at performance vs value, AMD also made the better first dual core, as the Pentium D was simply two P4s glued together, the X2 was a "true" dual core.

However, Intel did a full turn, and fixed ALOT of their issues, its gonna take AMD alot to stike back imo.

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[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. Snagal123

Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

Something tells me intel may stay on top for some time...

AMD was dominating for so long at performance vs value, AMD also made the better first dual core, as the Pentium D was simply two P4s glued together, the X2 was a "true" dual core.

However, Intel did a full turn, and fixed ALOT of their issues, its gonna take AMD alot to stike back imo.

Yea but i doubt intel is going to change its architecture anytime soon, im sticking the hope that AMD will unveil something incredible. I mean, look how quiet theyve been, they havnt even fought back against the C2d.
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[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. Snagal123

Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

 

Something tells me intel may stay on top for some time...

AMD was dominating for so long at performance vs value, AMD also made the better first dual core, as the Pentium D was simply two P4s glued together, the X2 was a "true" dual core.

However, Intel did a full turn, and fixed ALOT of their issues, its gonna take AMD alot to stike back imo.

I think the opposite. It's always the same. AMD will bring out new chips, which will perform better as Intels. Intel was slacking for way to long now. 

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[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. trix5817

Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

Is AMD even coming out with new CPU's to compete with the cheap C2D's like the E6300 and E6400?

AMD still has the cheap market, I mean look what 150$ gets you, what they need to worry about is mid range, idk all these queer intel numbers any more, but their mid range ones, kick ass, they blow away the top of the line fx chips and are way cheaper. Mid range cpus also sell the most, AMD needs something fast, and they better get the quad core out of their heads, because im hearing rumors there going for quads. That would kill themselves.
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I have a question for you guys. You all act like the Intel Core 2 Duo's are gods, however, the GHz on these things are low. Like 2.13 low. When Crysis needs over 3 GHz, unless you're able to overclock, is there no hope?
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maybe 3 ghz on a SINGLE core p4
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[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. F-Minus

Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

Something tells me intel may stay on top for some time...

AMD was dominating for so long at performance vs value, AMD also made the better first dual core, as the Pentium D was simply two P4s glued together, the X2 was a "true" dual core.

However, Intel did a full turn, and fixed ALOT of their issues, its gonna take AMD alot to stike back imo.

I think the opposite. It's always the same. AMD will bring out new chips, which will perform better as Intels. Intel was slacking for way to long now.

The thing is, is these new C2ds, can be pushed to be alot more powerful, there not at its max potential like the X2 and FX series are. The longer it takes AMD to release a proc, the cheaper intels chips get.
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Well the AMD FX74 4x4 i think its called has been out for a while, dual socket design, with 2 dual cores (Quad core), which is great as it potential is better than Intels QX, but the benchmarks are about even. It also costs ALOT more than a QX.

I feel we won't see anything major from AMD for a few years when they launch their CPU/GPU all in one solution.

Don't think iam not an AMD supporter, i went with AMD myself when i built my PC as back then they were dominating, but things have changed.

 

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Im all basing my come back on AMD that they will unveil a new archutecture.
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[QUOTE="F-Minus"][QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"]Wow, why are you guys hating on him? He was asking a question. coolguy1111

Well when he says "you all claim your c2ds are gods" and all that stuff it does not seem very friendly and that causes a hostile reaction which is some what justified.

People do claim they are gods, and thats not entirely true, because AMD will release something this fall that will blow it away. C2ds seem good because there comapred with the fx chips for amd, how much older are they?

 

Something tells me intel may stay on top for some time...

AMD was dominating for so long at performance vs value, AMD also made the better first dual core, as the Pentium D was simply two P4s glued together, the X2 was a "true" dual core.

However, Intel did a full turn, and fixed ALOT of their issues, its gonna take AMD alot to stike back imo.

I think the opposite. It's always the same. AMD will bring out new chips, which will perform better as Intels. Intel was slacking for way to long now.

The thing is, is these new C2ds, can be pushed to be alot more powerful, there not at its max potential like the X2 and FX series are. The longer it takes AMD to release a proc, the cheaper intels chips get.

 

That's true, altho I didn't read anything up on the upcoming AMD cheap, I think it will be possible for them to price them at a competitive place. Performance wise, I think they will overtake Intel and then Intel will overtake them etc. AMD have turned into a quality company in the last few years and their products are getting better and better, while Intel was holding to their past fame way to long, and that made them 2nd choice for many customers.

But yes, one will always come out with a better chip as it always was :), so I guess if you got time to wait, buy the best thing; money 2 performance ratio, it's a win/win situation for us customers. 

 

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#45 oback
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[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Merovingin33"]why is this in system war. it's a questionMerovingin33

Why is it even on gamespot....?


holy moley!

*head explodes*

this question shouldnt of ever been conceived