Hermits --- Why do you compare PC graphics to Xbox 360 graphics?

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#301 redneckdouglas
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Because PC gamers have nothing to flash rather than expensive hardwares. I'm glad I bought a custom MINI-PC that cost $350 with most lowend~midend stuff. Unimpressive 2007 game lineup (except Sparta: Ancient wars) isn't even worth it for gamers of any kind.
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#302 baddog121390
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Because PC gamers have nothing to flash rather than expensive hardwares. I'm glad I bought a custom MINI-PC that cost $350 with most lowend~midend stuff. Unimpressive 2007 game lineup (except Sparta: Ancient wars) isn't even worth it for gamers of any kind.redneckdouglas
We have the best lineup over any console here. Half the stuff you guys hype flop incredibally (Crackdown, VF5, Lost Planet etc.)

We'll have fun with Crysis, Spore, Quake Wars, Bioshock, UT3, C&C 3, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Hellgate: London etc.
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#304 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]The article was pulled off because AnandTech published it a few days before the official launch of the Xbox 360.

And, the logic could tell you that Microsoft is a bit more powerful company than AnandTech, and Xbox is a pretty important brand to them, so they wont just let some enthusiastic journalist post such things.

Anyway, here's the entire article.
primetime2121

ummm...anyways any person who actually knows anything about the subject that the 360 CPU is less powerful than CPUs because it was stripped down just using what is important for games...and there is no way a 7800xt could run Gears of War...UT3 was using four 7900s in quad sli and was still struggling and UT3 doesnt look better than Gears of War..end of topic

A. Link involving UT3? B. what resolution was UT3 at?
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#305 DarkT33
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[QUOTE="redneckdouglas"]Because PC gamers have nothing to flash rather than expensive hardwares. I'm glad I bought a custom MINI-PC that cost $350 with most lowend~midend stuff. Unimpressive 2007 game lineup (except Sparta: Ancient wars) isn't even worth it for gamers of any kind.baddog121390
We have the best lineup over any console here. Half the stuff you guys hype flop incredibally (Crackdown, VF5, Lost Planet etc.)

We'll have fun with Crysis, Spore, Quake Wars, Bioshock, UT3, C&C 3, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Hellgate: London etc.

hmmmm lets see.........FPS, sim, FPS, FPS, FPS, RTS, FPS, FPS....Yep, hermits sure own 2007 :roll:
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#306 blacktorn
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you think it's funny? Ok then.........
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#307 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="redneckdouglas"]Because PC gamers have nothing to flash rather than expensive hardwares. I'm glad I bought a custom MINI-PC that cost $350 with most lowend~midend stuff. Unimpressive 2007 game lineup (except Sparta: Ancient wars) isn't even worth it for gamers of any kind.DarkT33
We have the best lineup over any console here. Half the stuff you guys hype flop incredibally (Crackdown, VF5, Lost Planet etc.)

We'll have fun with Crysis, Spore, Quake Wars, Bioshock, UT3, C&C 3, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Hellgate: London etc.

hmmmm lets see.........FPS, sim, FPS, FPS, FPS, RTS, FPS, FPS....Yep, hermits sure own 2007 :roll:

Opposed to Mario, Mario, Mario, Samus, Mario, Mario, Mario.
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#308 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="redneckdouglas"]Because PC gamers have nothing to flash rather than expensive hardwares. I'm glad I bought a custom MINI-PC that cost $350 with most lowend~midend stuff. Unimpressive 2007 game lineup (except Sparta: Ancient wars) isn't even worth it for gamers of any kind.DarkT33
We have the best lineup over any console here. Half the stuff you guys hype flop incredibally (Crackdown, VF5, Lost Planet etc.)

We'll have fun with Crysis, Spore, Quake Wars, Bioshock, UT3, C&C 3, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Hellgate: London etc.

hmmmm lets see.........FPS, sim, FPS, FPS, FPS, RTS, FPS, FPS....Yep, hermits sure own 2007 :roll:

2 of those are an RPG, and one I believe is an RTS.
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#309 trix5817
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[QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="redneckdouglas"]Because PC gamers have nothing to flash rather than expensive hardwares. I'm glad I bought a custom MINI-PC that cost $350 with most lowend~midend stuff. Unimpressive 2007 game lineup (except Sparta: Ancient wars) isn't even worth it for gamers of any kind.DarkT33
We have the best lineup over any console here. Half the stuff you guys hype flop incredibally (Crackdown, VF5, Lost Planet etc.)

We'll have fun with Crysis, Spore, Quake Wars, Bioshock, UT3, C&C 3, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Hellgate: London etc.

hmmmm lets see.........FPS, sim, FPS, FPS, FPS, RTS, FPS, FPS....Yep, hermits sure own 2007 :roll:



Hellgate is a FPS? Since when. It's being made by the creators if Diablo (9.6 here at GS). We also get Dragon Age (RPG), biowares next epic RPG for the PC. Bioshock is more of an RPG than a FPS, you obviously have never heard of System Shock 2......
STALKER is an FPS, in a HUGE world with RPG elements. Its a FPS/RPG hybrid. The only 360 RPG that interests me is......Mass Effect.
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#310 trix5817
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[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]The article was pulled off because AnandTech published it a few days before the official launch of the Xbox 360.

And, the logic could tell you that Microsoft is a bit more powerful company than AnandTech, and Xbox is a pretty important brand to them, so they wont just let some enthusiastic journalist post such things.

Anyway, here's the entire article.
primetime2121

ummm...anyways any person who actually knows anything about the subject that the 360 CPU is less powerful than CPUs because it was stripped down just using what is important for games...and there is no way a 7800xt could run Gears of War...UT3 was using four 7900s in quad sli and was still struggling and UT3 doesnt look better than Gears of War..end of topic



A 7800GTX couldn't run UT3? Oh, is that why Epic had UT3 being showcased on one!:shock: Please, link me to where it said they were running quad 7900's, I would love to see it. That's hard to believe, considering Crysis can run maxxed in DX9 on a single 7800GTX..........
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#311 Disturbed_One98
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Here is a better representation of the Xbox version:


PC version:


Considering the Xbox was completely underpowered, it looks well on par with a top notch PC. I own the Xbox version and played the PC version and I think they are very comparable. Screens obviously don't do justice but it's worth a shot.

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#312 AdrianWerner
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Here is a better representation of the Xbox version:


PC version:


Considering the Xbox was completely underpowered, it looks well on par with a top notch PC. I own the Xbox version and played the PC version and I think they are very comparable. Screens obviously don't do justice but it's worth a shot.

Disturbed_One98
no...d3 on xbox looks worse than pc doom on medium. here's a direct comparison of the same scene(mind you Pc one is only running on high settings, not ultra)  not only lighting is worse, but in xbox version they removed a lot of bump-mapping and even simplified level geometry. not to mention the textures...omg..the doom3 on xbox textures:
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#313 Disturbed_One98
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I do 100% agree with PC version looks better, but again, what's with the piss poor Xbox screens? 
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#314 -L-U-I-S-
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I find it funny that hermits will post images of current PC games running on the best possible PC of the moment and compare images to an Xbox 360 title and then say "TLHBO!"  I sure would hope that a PC game running on a $2000-$3000 machine would look better than a game on the $400 Xbox 360. 

Do hermits find themselves superior that their machine that costs 5 or 6 or 7 times more than the 360 can produce better graphics?  If so, then I just don't understand their mentality because hermits can upgrade their graphics card every year and a half while console gamers can't.  Hermits have much more expensive machines that can continually be upgraded, yet they make fun of console graphics for being inferior? 

On a side note....Doom 3 for the Xbox came close to looking as good as Doom 3 on the PC.  If anything, hermits should've been embarrassed by that.  Yeah, Doom 3 came out later on Xbox than the PC version...a whole 8 or 9 months later and running on 2001 architecture. 

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Is that why I've seen good PC's for less than $1500? You dont need a $3000 PC to get a good experience
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#315 IgGy621985
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ummm...anyways any person who actually knows anything about the subject that the 360 CPU is less powerful than CPUs because it was stripped down just using what is important for games...and there is no way a 7800xt could run Gears of War...UT3 was using four 7900s in quad sli and was still struggling and UT3 doesnt look better than Gears of War..end of topic
primetime2121


lol dude, you have some serious issues about the perception of the PC hardware. I mean, if ATi actually did put something in the range of x1900xt in Xbox 360, how could UT3 look worse than Gears of War, even if Epic used Quad SLI to represent UT3?

First of all, it wouldn't be a smart marketing move by Epic, because last time I checked, developers strive to make new titles look better than the past titles.

So, where's the logic, man? x1900xt versus Quad SLI? Quad SLI is 3x more powerful video configuration.

But Epic did not use 7900 Quad SLI to represent UT3 because 7900s are a part of the past-generation of GeForce chips.

Epic used 8800GTX to represent UT3 in the DX10 mode. Why it was struggling? Because Epic ran UT3 at resolution of 2048 x 1536 pixels, with all bells and whisles turned to max, which is, if you can notice, a bit more higher than 1280x720.

Get informed, man. Don't post such fanboy crap around.
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#316 jwcyclone15
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[QUOTE="primetime2121"]
ummm...anyways any person who actually knows anything about the subject that the 360 CPU is less powerful than CPUs because it was stripped down just using what is important for games...and there is no way a 7800xt could run Gears of War...UT3 was using four 7900s in quad sli and was still struggling and UT3 doesnt look better than Gears of War..end of topic
IgGy621985


lol dude, you have some serious issues about the perception of the PC hardware. I mean, if ATi actually did put something in the range of x1900xt in Xbox 360, how could UT3 look worse than Gears of War, even if Epic used Quad SLI to represent UT3?

First of all, it wouldn't be a smart marketing move by Epic, because last time I checked, developers strive to make new titles look better than the past titles.

So, where's the logic, man? x1900xt versus Quad SLI? Quad SLI is 3x more powerful video configuration.

But Epic did not use 7900 Quad SLI to represent UT3 because 7900s are a part of the past-generation of GeForce chips.

Epic used 8800GTX to represent UT3 in the DX10 mode. Why it was struggling? Because Epic ran UT3 at resolution of 2048 x 1536 pixels, with all bells and whisles turned to max, which is, if you can notice, a bit more higher than 1280x720.

Get informed, man. Don't post such fanboy crap around.


U3 doesn't use DX10....
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#317 IgGy621985
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Btw, one more thing.

Why does Xbox 360 costs $400? Because of mass productions. It's just a pure economy.

Let's take screws for example.  Your factory makes just one type, low quality of screws. Your factory makes a million screws per day.

One type, low quality screws + large amount of screws = low costs of the entire production

If some of your clients want you to make a custom-made, better quality, badass srew with its own intelligence for the custom amount of pieces, the production costs will not be the same.

So,

Custom-made, better quality, badass screw + custom amount of pieces = high production costs.
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#318 IgGy621985
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U3 doesn't use DX10....
jwcyclone15


omfg. Where do you pull such crap, people? Please, teach me.

Tim Sweeney: Unreal Engine 3 will make full use of DirectX 10, and many of our and our partners' games will ship in 2007 with full support for DirectX 10 and Windows Vista.
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#319 Matmoo_Wii60
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There is one thing I really just don't get with some hermits (this doesn't apply to all).

IF you are a hermit that hates the 360, and calls it the satanbox, like the hermit in the 3rd post, then listen up. If you are running a Windows system, or running around telling everyone, "lolz I got Vista, DX10 rulz, pwned! ROXORZ!!!" then why do you bash the 360? Remember, they are made by the same company. You may start saying, ooh, Micro$oft are an evil monopoly, blah blah blah. So why are you running Windows?! Yes, some of you may be clever and have a purely Linux OS, or even a Mac, but most of you will need Windows to play the majority of today's games. Just think about it next time you tell a 360 owner that Microsoft ripped us off, and you hate them. Coz you sirs and madams, are making yourself look like complete and utter idiots.

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#320 IgGy621985
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I don't hate Xbox 360, I personally think it's a quite good videogame system. But I dislike some non-informed people that are trying to convince you using some silly arguments that Xbox 360 is more powerful than the PC...
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I find it funny that hermits will post images of current PC games running on the best possible PC of the moment and compare images to an Xbox 360 title and then say "TLHBO!"  I sure would hope that a PC game running on a $2000-$3000 machine would look better than a game on the $400 Xbox 360. 

Do hermits find themselves superior that their machine that costs 5 or 6 or 7 times more than the 360 can produce better graphics?  If so, then I just don't understand their mentality because hermits can upgrade their graphics card every year and a half while console gamers can't.  Hermits have much more expensive machines that can continually be upgraded, yet they make fun of console graphics for being inferior? 

On a side note....Doom 3 for the Xbox came close to looking as good as Doom 3 on the PC.  If anything, hermits should've been embarrassed by that.  Yeah, Doom 3 came out later on Xbox than the PC version...a whole 8 or 9 months later and running on 2001 architecture. 

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  You don't need to spend $2000 to $3000 to reach Xbox360 graphics.. If your actually smart youc an do it for as low as $1000 to $1200, then add in the fact that you can do way more things with a PC then just play in a game..  The PC may be superior in that sense but its by far more complicated that many problems can arise and you do not have the split screen fun a console has.. There is a trade off, but if I had a choice I would pick PC.

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#322 AlbertE-
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There is no debate here.  Lemmings still compare the 360 to PC graphics, which is pointless.  You spend 1000 on a PC, but you can do a LOT more on a PC than you can on a 360, and PC is a lot more powerful.  You don't pay extra for nothing.  PC isn't even in the same league as the consoles.
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#323 Killfox
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There is no debate here.  Lemmings still compare the 360 to PC graphics, which is pointless.  You spend 1000 on a PC, but you can do a LOT more on a PC than you can on a 360, and PC is a lot more powerful.  You don't pay extra for nothing.  PC isn't even in the same league as the consoles.AlbertE-
Also lets not forget that you have to pay $60 a year for xbox live and $50 - $60 for a game. When we pay half that and have free online gaming. And dont say but but teh MMOs like WOWZERS needs teh money$$$$. Bad example. Thats why it says MMO.
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#324 zaigham
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There is one thing I really just don't get with some hermits (this doesn't apply to all).

IF you are a hermit that hates the 360, and calls it the satanbox, like the hermit in the 3rd post, then listen up. If you are running a Windows system, or running around telling everyone, "lolz I got Vista, DX10 rulz, pwned! ROXORZ!!!" then why do you bash the 360? Remember, they are made by the same company. You may start saying, ooh, Micro$oft are an evil monopoly, blah blah blah. So why are you running Windows?! Yes, some of you may be clever and have a purely Linux OS, or even a Mac, but most of you will need Windows to play the majority of today's games. Just think about it next time you tell a 360 owner that Microsoft ripped us off, and you hate them. Coz you sirs and madams, are making yourself look like complete and utter idiots.

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Well, i don't hate 360. Its a good machine. Yet i would disagree. 360 is made by MS but PC is not made by MS. I pray that day never comes.
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#325 True_Gamer_
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There is one thing I really just don't get with some hermits (this doesn't apply to all).

IF you are a hermit that hates the 360, and calls it the satanbox, like the hermit in the 3rd post, then listen up. If you are running a Windows system, or running around telling everyone, "lolz I got Vista, DX10 rulz, pwned! ROXORZ!!!" then why do you bash the 360? Remember, they are made by the same company. You may start saying, ooh, Micro$oft are an evil monopoly, blah blah blah. So why are you running Windows?! Yes, some of you may be clever and have a purely Linux OS, or even a Mac, but most of you will need Windows to play the majority of today's games. Just think about it next time you tell a 360 owner that Microsoft ripped us off, and you hate them. Coz you sirs and madams, are making yourself look like complete and utter idiots.

Matmoo_Wii60


Hmmm are you sure that many hermits pay for the OS?