Hey Lem, ever think outside of the box?

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#51 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"][QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

Whatever floats your boat. Just remember that this will affect no one and will change no one's mind.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that this thread lacks good arguements.

crue7x2

in fact, there are great arguments there. but you're right, no one's gonna change their minds here, this place is overflowing with stubbornness.



heres a better arguement: 360 has better games

i win.

haha again your opinion....360 has been out longer so that gives it the edge.

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#52 VoodooHak
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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]I'd actually like to hear a rebuttle to his xbox live arguement instead of "oh its better". What exactly is the money going towards?lespaul00

I've posted this a gajillion times, but it's always conveniently ignored:

  • A closed gaming network that actively detects and bans modded boxes. That alone is worth it to me.
  • Functional cross-game invites
  • Structure supporting a self-governing community:
    • Gamerzone
    • Rep
    • Feedback
    • Prefer/Avoid status
  • TruSkill matchmaking
  • People like Major Nelson and Trixie that actively involved with the community
  • Tournaments and events like Game with Fame
  • MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs

Yes you are right. It is being ignored.

Convenient, no?

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#53 crue7x2
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[QUOTE="crue7x2"][QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"][QUOTE="crue7x2"]

[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"]weakest flaimbait ever :|

Xbox live is better in every way. (Lack of dedicated servers, it costs money, strict with user mods)

only thing i have against my 360 is the failure rate

360 games > all(your opinion...I prefere ps3's upcoming lineup)

and i play games, so there ya go.

can i have a cookie?THE_Rob_Himself

No you can't have a cookie.



how bout full friend intergration? cross game invitations? modder bans? voice? more online games?

360's lineup is higher rated = fact

you fail badly.

LOL I have a mic and I can talk to people online....PLUS I can use ANY USB headset I want. How about user created content? free online service?

the 360 has been out longer than the ps3 = fact!

you fail badly....



LOL 99% of people on Xb live have mics, not on PSN. having fun getting owned by modders that cheat online? im not, cause i can ban them :D

your arguement doesnt make sense :? its been out longer? so what? i still have better games to play than you do = fact

wheres your response to the friend integration and cross game invitations?

LOL I hear people talking on PSN hahah! wheres the proof that noone talks? got a link? didn't think so. Also have fun playing online while your game is lagging(dedicated servers FTW)

what is not to understand? The 360 has been out longer so it has more games....the ps2 has been out longer so it has more games than both of the systems combined = FACT!

There is a friends list on PSN my friend...

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#54 azimiballer
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well said..
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#55 -CMG-
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Wow.....All those words won't change the fact i would give my PS3 in a heart beat and kill you if you laid one finger on my 360.

Your arguments are old and played out and until the PS3 turns the corner in 2008 with MGS4 and FF you can't possibly argue that the PS3 has the best games.

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#56 lespaul00
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[QUOTE="lespaul00"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]I'd actually like to hear a rebuttle to his xbox live arguement instead of "oh its better". What exactly is the money going towards?VoodooHak

I've posted this a gajillion times, but it's always conveniently ignored:

  • A closed gaming network that actively detects and bans modded boxes. That alone is worth it to me.
  • Functional cross-game invites
  • Structure supporting a self-governing community:
    • Gamerzone
    • Rep
    • Feedback
    • Prefer/Avoid status
  • TruSkill matchmaking
  • People like Major Nelson and Trixie that actively involved with the community
  • Tournaments and events like Game with Fame
  • MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs

Yes you are right. It is being ignored.

Convenient, no?

Very convenient. Yours is one of the better explanations on here. I guess that's why it is passed over.

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#57 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="lespaul00"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]I'd actually like to hear a rebuttle to his xbox live arguement instead of "oh its better". What exactly is the money going towards?VoodooHak

I've posted this a gajillion times, but it's always conveniently ignored:

  • A closed gaming network that actively detects and bans modded boxes. That alone is worth it to me.
  • Functional cross-game invites
  • Structure supporting a self-governing community:
    • Gamerzone
    • Rep
    • Feedback
    • Prefer/Avoid status
  • TruSkill matchmaking
  • People like Major Nelson and Trixie that actively involved with the community
  • Tournaments and events like Game with Fame
  • MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs

Yes you are right. It is being ignored.

Convenient, no?

maybe its being ignored cause ppl in sw hates logic and truth:question:

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#58 CocopuffsGM
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I'm not a 360 fanboy or anything, I think 360, PS3, and Wii all be great consoles. But there's some points here that you tried to make that I just can't deal with.


1.) They don't mind paying for a service that gives them in return laggie games because of hosting P2P junk right? What gives? Sony is free and it has dedicated servers. Come on think OUTSIDE of the box.


This is probably your most valid point. I don't mind paying for online, I don't regret it, but it would be nice if it was free like sony's. But on the other hand, Xbox Live is easier to develop for than PSN, and alot of people say you get a better service. I never had a serious problem with lag on XBL.


2.) PSN is already coming up with more orignal stuff for downloads vs XBL arcade with old school games. LBP, Stardust, Socom, Warhawk (on disc too), Echo Crome. Come on and play your old Doom and Street fighter. Granted you get UT Mortal Kombat which is nice. But still you brag on this? You must not be thinking outside the box.

There's a 6 page topic on this. End story is that PSN is NOT better. It's comparing apples and oranges. XBLA offers many cheap small ARCADE games. And your saying PSN is better because it lets you download more expensive RETAIL games. And saying XBLA is not coming up with original stuff is silly, if you looked in on it you can see there are several original games coming out, and coming out for it, on top of it's old games.


3.) The console I own shoves the cost of servers and such to the developers because gaming is free. But 360 fanboys proudly pay $50 bucks to help out developers. If I was a developers I'd laugh to the bank. Think of all the online games you play and divide the $50 bucks across the board of games. Say you bought 6 games in 2006 that you play online. $50/6 = 8.33. So really you didn't pay $59.99 you paid $68.32. Doesn't sound so smart does it? Maybe next time you will think outside of the box.

This is really a continuation of your first point, which I already responded to.


4.) 360 guys think their system is gold, yet it has a crash rate of what 1/10 system sold? Whats Sonys? 1/200,000 or better? Sometimes being cheap doesn't pay does it. SOME times you get what you pay for.

Yes, the 360 is the least reliable right now. But they are working on a new chip and better venting. It should be fixed, or at least a lot better by next year. Even now, it's not so bad if it breaks, with a 3 year warranty, free repairs and shipping. If it breaks, you just have to live without it for about 2 weeks (usually less) while it's sent away.


5.) All your games will eventually be on PC, or at least the good ones with in 1 to 3 years. Halo 3 Vista 2010 promise you. Bioshock is on PC the day it comes out. The system was a wash, on crap not worth porting to PC is worth the price of a 360 and its crap.

This is ridiculous. Most 360 exclusives will stay on the 360, the myth has been busted time and time again, yet people do not listen. And just because a game is on the PC does not make the 360 any worse. It's cheaper than a high end PC, which most people do not have. Thus, a good investment.


6.) Lems laugh at Cows, saying you were forced to purchase BluRay with your system. At least Sony has taken the steps to allow developers HD freedom of space. Thus not giving the PS3 a lower denominator of game builds like for the 360 games are adapted to take on a no hard drive system supporting a 9 gig disc. I'm proud of my purchase that is set for long term actually. GTA, could be a case of disc shortage, R* probably called MS and said we are running out of space. MS said nah just bill the gamer the etc content and say its new epa. Oh and keep them from the PS3 version since that will harm are image, here's 50 million bucks. MS made a bad thing look like a good thing.

Your points are getting worse and worse. That entire scenario with Microsoft and Rockstar that you made up pretty much destroys your dignity. Meaning it's hard to take you seriously. BluRay games do have more space, that does not make the 360 bad in any means. If you need more room, you can use more disks, it's been done before, and will be done again.


7.) Cleary Sony's first 7 months of 2007 have been lack luster. But thats for the preparing for an onslaught of games that consume the 360 in every way of the word. Personally, Elderscrolls, Tekken 5, Motorstorm, Resistance are all I play. Besides some rentals of course and I love each of these. But after Warhawk its pretty much over for 360 domination in games.
Isn't it like Warhawk, Lair, Heavenly Sword, UT3, Haze, Uncharted and a couple others right in a row? Say what ever you want about them at least they are original unlike all 360 offers is FPS, and now they are bashing RPG's to death with a couple coming so it will be a 90 FPS, 10% RPG. Bland, Besides UT3 and Haze all my games this year are 100% different for my taste. Halo 3 is nice but that is all their is, Masseffect while a solid looking game doesn't even support facial features in the level of Heavenly Sword, AND Heavenly sword is a button masher haa.

Yes, I agree, the PS3 does have some good games coming out. But most people here, including me, are more looking forward to Xbox's line up currently. And again, the 360 only has FPS myth has been busted time and time again. Statistically I think it was like 16% of the games were FPS.
Mass effect has some amazing dialogue animation, and much more dialogue than Heavenly Sword. Using facial expression to bash a game is quite silly, even if Heavenly sword has better animations. Other than that, you made no real points against the 360 or game lineup.


I hope you understand that you are a fanboy, right? More so than most the people your addressing, I would go as far to say. I'm not trying to start a fight with you, I'm just saying you should take your own advice and open up a little more yourself.


-Puffs

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#59 THE_Rob_Himself
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LOL I hear people talking on PSN hahah! wheres the proof that noone talks? got a link? didn't think so. Also have fun playing online while your game is lagging(dedicated servers FTW)

what is not to understand? The 360 has been out longer so it has more games....the ps2 has been out longer so it has more games than both of the systems combined = FACT!

There is a friends list on PSN my friend...

crue7x2


wow....cows are funny. i dont lag on Xb Live, and like someone posted earlier Dedicated servers can cause problems. my internet connection is fine, so i dont lag :?

so you are admitting 360's lineup is better?

can you invite someone to play resistance while they're playing madden 08? didnt think so.

Xb Live friends list is much more detailed and useful.

please stop, your digging a deeper hole.
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#60 -CMG-
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There is nothing Lamer than telling people that they are wrong because they do not agree with your opinion. It changes no ones mind. Why cant you cows just list out all the games the PS3 has that makes it better than the 360 instead of having to come up with all these long winded convoluted excuses that all amount to nothing when people start looking at the libraries and say what is this guy smoking?

Just list the Ps3's superior games that you are enjoying and we lems will listen. OH WAIt!!!! Sorry thats right you have no superior games - you have an over priced black monilith sitting there while you drool at the 360 Current and coming up line up.

I know you do cause I own a PS and its only good for catching dust.

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Haven't I seen your outside the box slogan being shoved down people throats before this? I thought they burned viral marketers around here?
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#62 Shusty_lives
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I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.
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#63 THE_Rob_Himself
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I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.Shusty_lives

you're not a gamer though....you're a cow. why should i listen to a fanboy?
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#64 crue7x2
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[QUOTE="crue7x2"]

LOL I hear people talking on PSN hahah! wheres the proof that noone talks? got a link? didn't think so. Also have fun playing online while your game is lagging(dedicated servers FTW)

what is not to understand? The 360 has been out longer so it has more games....the ps2 has been out longer so it has more games than both of the systems combined = FACT!

There is a friends list on PSN my friend...

THE_Rob_Himself



wow....cows are funny. i dont lag on Xb Live, and like someone posted earlier Dedicated servers can cause problems. my internet connection is fine, so i dont lag :?

so you are admitting 360's lineup is better?

can you invite someone to play resistance while they're playing madden 08? didnt think so.

Xb Live friends list is much more detailed and useful.

please stop, your digging a deeper hole.

I have a 360 bud...have you played saints row? that thing is an online mess...how can dedicated servers cause problems?

for the moment yes! its what ive been saying this WHOLE TIME! its been out longer so it has alot of games to choose from.

I never did say xbox live sucks....but you sure as hell said psn sucks in everyway compared to it. I proved you wrong by telling you features that PSN has over LIVE. There is no denying that LIVE has a better friends list...we were not even arguing about that..oh yea BTW half the time private chat screws up and it appears that the other user is joining chat...that doesn't happen on the ps3.

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#65 D0013ER
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Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity.Shusty_lives

That myth's been busted more times than Barry Bond's balls.

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#66 Shusty_lives
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"] Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity.D0013ER

That myth's been busted more times than Barry Bond's balls.

really? You sure about that? Why isn't the casual market flocking to the 360?

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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.THE_Rob_Himself

you're not a gamer though....you're a cow. why should i listen to a fanboy?

Why you gotta go and say that? I'm not a fanboy. Just because I prefer a system over another doesn't make me a fanboy.

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#68 crue7x2
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I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.Shusty_lives

I know! lol but people automatically turn into fanboy defensive mode when they hear ps3 and 360 in the same sentence...I love both my 360 and my ps3 but they both havethere advandages and disadvantages. Thats why I bought both!

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[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"][QUOTE="crue7x2"]

LOL I hear people talking on PSN hahah! wheres the proof that noone talks? got a link? didn't think so. Also have fun playing online while your game is lagging(dedicated servers FTW)

what is not to understand? The 360 has been out longer so it has more games....the ps2 has been out longer so it has more games than both of the systems combined = FACT!

There is a friends list on PSN my friend...

crue7x2



wow....cows are funny. i dont lag on Xb Live, and like someone posted earlier Dedicated servers can cause problems. my internet connection is fine, so i dont lag :?

so you are admitting 360's lineup is better?

can you invite someone to play resistance while they're playing madden 08? didnt think so.

Xb Live friends list is much more detailed and useful.

please stop, your digging a deeper hole.

I have a 360 bud...have you played saints row? that thing is an online mess...how can dedicated servers cause problems?

for the moment yes! its what ive been saying this WHOLE TIME! its been out longer so it has alot of games to choose from.

I never did say xbox live sucks....but you sure as hell said psn sucks in everyway compared to it. I proved you wrong by telling you features that PSN has over LIVE. There is no denying that LIVE has a better friends list...we were not even arguing about that..oh yea BTW half the time private chat screws up and it appears that the other user is joining chat...that doesn't happen on the ps3.



wow ok. umm all the things you are complaining about are problems with YOUR connection. STRICT NAT = the problems you are having.

dedicated server failing = ?

i said Xb live is better in every way. which it is.

and nice backpedal.
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yet it has a crash rate of what 1/10 system sold?

caseypayne69

Try 1/3...

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#72 THE_Rob_Himself
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[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.Shusty_lives


you're not a gamer though....you're a cow. why should i listen to a fanboy?

Why you gotta go and say that? I'm not a fanboy. Just because I prefer a system over another doesn't make me a fanboy.



i didnt mean that in an insulting way, just:

Cows = fanboys

Lemms = fanboys

Sheep = fanboys

manticore = gamers

if your a manticore then fine......but this arguement was flamebait what do you expect? it was completely bashing 360, and most of the points dont have any truth.
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I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.Shusty_lives

Think outside the box?

Like with the revolutionary dashboard, leading the charge in media convergence with media streaming featues and movie/TV downloads?

The massive improvements of XBL, including its marketplace?

Achievements and gamercard?

MS's unprecedented connection to its 360 community?

And didn't someone run stats that showed the shooter make up less than a quarter of all 360 games?

How's that for outside of the box?

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#74 D0013ER
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[QUOTE="D0013ER"]

[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"] Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity.Shusty_lives

That myth's been busted more times than Barry Bond's balls.

really? You sure about that? Why isn't the casual market flocking to the 360?

Because it's still priced well beyond the casual sweet-spot and has a reputation for piss-poor reliability?

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I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.Shusty_lives

yes being a gamer means playing games what other ppl tell me to play to define myself as a gamer. i guess im not a gamer cause im only interested in hs, shucks. i should throw away my wii and my 360 cause if you play their games you arent a gamer.:roll:

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#76 Shusty_lives
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i didnt mean that in an insulting way, just:

Cows = fanboys

Lemms = fanboys

Sheep = fanboys

manticore = gamers

if your a manticore then fine......but this arguement was flamebait what do you expect? it was completely bashing 360, and most of the points dont have any truth.THE_Rob_Himself

Wait, so I'm not a gamer unless I have all the systems? I really don't like manticore elistist attitude.

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[QUOTE="crue7x2"][QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"][QUOTE="crue7x2"]

LOL I hear people talking on PSN hahah! wheres the proof that noone talks? got a link? didn't think so. Also have fun playing online while your game is lagging(dedicated servers FTW)

what is not to understand? The 360 has been out longer so it has more games....the ps2 has been out longer so it has more games than both of the systems combined = FACT!

There is a friends list on PSN my friend...

THE_Rob_Himself



wow....cows are funny. i dont lag on Xb Live, and like someone posted earlier Dedicated servers can cause problems. my internet connection is fine, so i dont lag :?

so you are admitting 360's lineup is better?

can you invite someone to play resistance while they're playing madden 08? didnt think so.

Xb Live friends list is much more detailed and useful.

please stop, your digging a deeper hole.

I have a 360 bud...have you played saints row? that thing is an online mess...how can dedicated servers cause problems?

for the moment yes! its what ive been saying this WHOLE TIME! its been out longer so it has alot of games to choose from.

I never did say xbox live sucks....but you sure as hell said psn sucks in everyway compared to it. I proved you wrong by telling you features that PSN has over LIVE. There is no denying that LIVE has a better friends list...we were not even arguing about that..oh yea BTW half the time private chat screws up and it appears that the other user is joining chat...that doesn't happen on the ps3.



wow ok. umm all the things you are complaining about are problems with YOUR connection. STRICT NAT = the problems you are having.

dedicated server failing = ?

i said Xb live is better in every way. which it is.

and nice backpedal.

It is NOT better than PSN in every single way....That is what im trying to get though your thick skull... and no 360fanboy can deny that dedicated servers are a good thing.

Nothing is worng with my connection either..I forwared my ports and I still have issues with certian games. Everyone with a 360 knows that you will get the odd laggy game. Either way these problems haven't been found on my ps3 yet..

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#78 ironcreed
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People are going to like whatever the hell they want to like, and by the same token, hate whatever they want to hate. Beating people over the head with your opinion is futile, and will only piss people off. By the way :

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#79 THE_Rob_Himself
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[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"]

i didnt mean that in an insulting way, just:

Cows = fanboys

Lemms = fanboys

Sheep = fanboys

manticore = gamers

if your a manticore then fine......but this arguement was flamebait what do you expect? it was completely bashing 360, and most of the points dont have any truth.Shusty_lives

Wait, so I'm not a gamer unless I have all the systems? I really don't like manticore elistist attitude.



:| you dont need all 3. you need to be accepting of more than 1.

cows = sony for life, and never change

lemms = microsoft " ", " " "

sheep = nintendo " ", " " "

your a fanboy if: you go by brand name more than games.
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#80 Shusty_lives
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[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]I think if you people actually understand what the TC is saying, you wouldn't be so defensive. It's a known fact that Xbox can not grab the casual market due to it having a hardcore library. All the TC is saying is branch out. If you're a gamer you would be glad to try new games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet. Xbox360 is truly lacking in diversity. Only a blind fanboy would disagree.istreakforfood

yes being a gamer means playing games what other ppl tell me to play to define myself as a gamer. i guess im not a gamer cause im only interested in hs, shucks. i should throw away my wii and my 360 cause if you play their games you arent a gamer.:roll:

No that's not what I meant, but I assume must kids wouldn't understand the undertone of this debate. I'll keep it 5th grade for you. As a gamer you should look forward to any game that tries to bring new content and innovation to the genre meanwhile playing your classics. That was Barney style hope you'll understand.

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#81 THE_Rob_Himself
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[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"][QUOTE="crue7x2"][QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"][QUOTE="crue7x2"]

LOL I hear people talking on PSN hahah! wheres the proof that noone talks? got a link? didn't think so. Also have fun playing online while your game is lagging(dedicated servers FTW)

what is not to understand? The 360 has been out longer so it has more games....the ps2 has been out longer so it has more games than both of the systems combined = FACT!

There is a friends list on PSN my friend...

crue7x2



wow....cows are funny. i dont lag on Xb Live, and like someone posted earlier Dedicated servers can cause problems. my internet connection is fine, so i dont lag :?

so you are admitting 360's lineup is better?

can you invite someone to play resistance while they're playing madden 08? didnt think so.

Xb Live friends list is much more detailed and useful.

please stop, your digging a deeper hole.

I have a 360 bud...have you played saints row? that thing is an online mess...how can dedicated servers cause problems?

for the moment yes! its what ive been saying this WHOLE TIME! its been out longer so it has alot of games to choose from.

I never did say xbox live sucks....but you sure as hell said psn sucks in everyway compared to it. I proved you wrong by telling you features that PSN has over LIVE. There is no denying that LIVE has a better friends list...we were not even arguing about that..oh yea BTW half the time private chat screws up and it appears that the other user is joining chat...that doesn't happen on the ps3.



wow ok. umm all the things you are complaining about are problems with YOUR connection. STRICT NAT = the problems you are having.

dedicated server failing = ?

i said Xb live is better in every way. which it is.

and nice backpedal.

It is NOT better than PSN in every single way....That is what im trying to get though your thick skull... and no 360fanboy can deny that dedicated servers are a good thing.

Nothing is worng with my connection either..I forwared my ports and I still have issues with certian games. Everyone with a 360 knows that you will get the odd laggy game. Either way these problems haven't been found on my ps3 yet..



ok so i have the odd laggy game. so i shouldnt pay for all the other features of Xb Live?

ok fine

Xb Live > PSN inevery way except sometimes connection error happen with some people on xb live

im sure there have been connection errors experienced by PSN users, but oh well.

thick skull? pretty sure insults are against the TOS.