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#51 ArtisTool
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[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="drspudz"]Let him just continue to milk to franchise.drspudz
I don't think it's milking when the games score AAA/AAAA. It's milking when it's selling out with crappy products just to sell.

Like teh Halo? I find it milking.

Halo Wars and ODST was milkage, Halo1, 2, 3 and Reach aren't. That's my opinion anyway.
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#52 drspudz
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[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="drspudz"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] I don't think it's milking when the games score AAA/AAAA. It's milking when it's selling out with crappy products just to sell.

Like teh Halo? I find it milking.

Halo Wars and ODST was milkage, Halo1, 2, 3 and Reach aren't. That's my opinion anyway.

MGS on iphone and PSP are milkage, that's my opinion. Anyway, ODST was only milkage entirely because of MS, Bungie never intended it to have a full pricetag on it. Halo Wars was a great game too.
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#53 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="drspudz"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] I don't think it's milking when the games score AAA/AAAA. It's milking when it's selling out with crappy products just to sell. ArtisTool
Like teh Halo? I find it milking.

Halo Wars and ODST was milkage, Halo1, 2, 3 and Reach aren't. That's my opinion anyway.

that same logic could be used for Metal Gear Acid or MGS:Rising

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#54 ArtisTool
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[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="drspudz"] Like teh Halo? I find it milking. Kandlegoat

Halo Wars and ODST was milkage, Halo1, 2, 3 and Reach aren't. That's my opinion anyway.

that same logic could be used for Metal Gear Acid or MGS:Rising

Ya but to be fair he said "Let him just continue to milk the franchise." Kojima isn't milking the franchise, all his MGS games are AAA/AAAA.
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#55 ArtisTool
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[QUOTE="drspudz"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="drspudz"] Like teh Halo? I find it milking.

Halo Wars and ODST was milkage, Halo1, 2, 3 and Reach aren't. That's my opinion anyway.

MGS on iphone and PSP are milkage, that's my opinion. Anyway, ODST was only milkage entirely because of MS, Bungie never intended it to have a full pricetag on it. Halo Wars was a great game too.

You said let Kojima keep milking, all his games are AAA quality. And Halo Wars is a casualized dumbed down consolzied shallow sorry excuse of an RTS game.
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#56 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Halo Wars and ODST was milkage, Halo1, 2, 3 and Reach aren't. That's my opinion anyway. ArtisTool

that same logic could be used for Metal Gear Acid or MGS:Rising

Ya but to be fair he said "Let him just continue to milk the franchise." Kojima isn't milking the franchise, all his MGS games are AAA/AAAA.

Regardless,the story is over...there is no need for anymore MGS games.I really wish he'd go back to his old IPs or make a new IP in general.The old Hideo Kojima was far more creative.

Personally,I wasnt even all that blown away by MGS4,but it was kinda needed considering the cluster**** that was MGS2.

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#57 drspudz
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[QUOTE="drspudz"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Halo Wars and ODST was milkage, Halo1, 2, 3 and Reach aren't. That's my opinion anyway. ArtisTool
MGS on iphone and PSP are milkage, that's my opinion. Anyway, ODST was only milkage entirely because of MS, Bungie never intended it to have a full pricetag on it. Halo Wars was a great game too.

You said let Kojima keep milking, all his games are AAA quality. And Halo Wars is a casualized dumbed down consolzied shallow sorry excuse of an RTS game.

You think a console RTS can be played the same way just fine like on the PC? The transition they made was brilliant. It's the best console rts out.

EDIT: PS, all the Halo games Bungie made were and are AAA quality.

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#58 HailCaesarHail
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lol it will happen, Kojima can't escape from the fact he's only really made a few note worthy games. Kojima is type cast in the end.

i have to agree, Kojima is Metal Gear, thats it.
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#59 ArtisTool
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[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="drspudz"] MGS on iphone and PSP are milkage, that's my opinion. Anyway, ODST was only milkage entirely because of MS, Bungie never intended it to have a full pricetag on it. Halo Wars was a great game too.drspudz

You said let Kojima keep milking, all his games are AAA quality. And Halo Wars is a casualized dumbed down consolzied shallow sorry excuse of an RTS game.

You think a console RTS can be played the same way just fine like on the PC? The transition they made was brilliant. It's the best console rts out.

EDIT: PS, all the Halo games Bungie made were and are AAA quality.

Halo Wars is only decent if you a console only gamer, I'm not. And ODST was very far away from being AAA quality.
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#60 ArtisTool
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[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

that same logic could be used for Metal Gear Acid or MGS:Rising

Kandlegoat

Ya but to be fair he said "Let him just continue to milk the franchise." Kojima isn't milking the franchise, all his MGS games are AAA/AAAA.

Regardless,the story is over...there is no need for anymore MGS games.I really wish he'd go back to his old IPs or make a new IP in general.The old Hideo Kojima was far more creative.

Personally,I wasnt even all that blown away by MGS4,but it was kinda needed considering the cluster**** that was MGS2.

MGS2 was sort of the same as MGS4 and then we got a prequel MGS3 with a much more straightforward story. Now we had MGS4 tieing up all the loose ends we can get another prequel, or maybe the story of what happened to Raiden after 2 with a much more straightforward story like MGS1, 3 --- 5 . It's almost like a pattern if you think about it. The universe is big, he doesn't have to continue off exactly after MGS4, or he could make it about the next snake. I don't want MGS to die, I love the series to death.
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#61 drspudz
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[QUOTE="drspudz"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"]You said let Kojima keep milking, all his games are AAA quality. And Halo Wars is a casualized dumbed down consolzied shallow sorry excuse of an RTS game. ArtisTool

You think a console RTS can be played the same way just fine like on the PC? The transition they made was brilliant. It's the best console rts out.

EDIT: PS, all the Halo games Bungie made were and are AAA quality.

Halo Wars is only decent if you a console only gamer, I'm not. And ODST was very far away from being AAA quality.

It's not fair comparing console rts to pc rts which is what GS idiotically did. How else are you supposed to play it with a controller? It was the best and most accessible way...and don't give me that "I play pc games so I'm better than you crap." I play WiC too. You wouldn't know a thing about ODST, still the fact is it got an AAA score.
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#62 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Ya but to be fair he said "Let him just continue to milk the franchise." Kojima isn't milking the franchise, all his MGS games are AAA/AAAA. ArtisTool

Regardless,the story is over...there is no need for anymore MGS games.I really wish he'd go back to his old IPs or make a new IP in general.The old Hideo Kojima was far more creative.

Personally,I wasnt even all that blown away by MGS4,but it was kinda needed considering the cluster**** that was MGS2.

MGS2 was sort of the same as MGS4 and then we got a prequel MGS3 with a much more straightforward story. Now we had MGS4 tieing up all the loose ends we can get another prequel, or maybe the story of what happened to Raiden after 2 with a much more straightforward story like MGS1, 3 --- 5 . It's almost like a pattern if you think about it. The universe is big, he doesn't have to continue off exactly after MGS4, or he could make it about the next snake. I don't want MGS to die, I love the series to death.

I dont think you have anything to worry about.....seems like your wish is granted.

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#63 ArtisTool
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[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="drspudz"] You think a console RTS can be played the same way just fine like on the PC? The transition they made was brilliant. It's the best console rts out.

EDIT: PS, all the Halo games Bungie made were and are AAA quality.

drspudz

Halo Wars is only decent if you a console only gamer, I'm not. And ODST was very far away from being AAA quality.

It's not fair comparing console rts to pc rts which is what GS idiotically did. How else are you supposed to play it with a controller? It was the best and most accessible way...and don't give me that "I play pc games so I'm better than you crap." I play WiC too. You wouldn't know a thing about ODST, still the fact is it got an AAA score.

It was way overscored, even lemmings in th Reach thread admitted it over and over again. lol if you think ODST is AAA quality, my standards are way higher then that. And I don't care if it's the controllers fault, Halo Wars is like take 100 steps back, it makes RTS fans feel like morons.

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#64 drspudz
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[QUOTE="drspudz"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Halo Wars is only decent if you a console only gamer, I'm not. And ODST was very far away from being AAA quality.ArtisTool

It's not fair comparing console rts to pc rts which is what GS idiotically did. How else are you supposed to play it with a controller? It was the best and most accessible way...and don't give me that "I play pc games so I'm better than you crap." I play WiC too. You wouldn't know a thing about ODST, still the fact is it got an AAA score.

It was way overscored, even lemmings in th Reach thread admitted it over and over again. lol if you think ODST is AAA quality, my standards are way higher then that. And I don't care if it's the controllers fault, Halo Wars is like take 100 steps back, it makes RTS fans feel like morons.

If that's how they would feel then they should completely stay away from all console games in general.
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#66 Rockman999
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The chump needs to give MGS a break and give me my ****ing ZOE3!:evil:

Intense mecha action game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stealth game.

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#67 Everiez
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So CEO of Konami is restricting him to only MGS series? Then his potential will be wasted if he only works on MGS. He needs to work on other games like ZOE or new IP.

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#68 Zeldafan221
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Unless MGS5 is another prequel, I really don't see it working out. If Kojima does anything else with the MGS series, this is all I want. One more prequel, just to tie the story together a bit more MG 1 and MG 2 remakes (most people haven't played them, and the second disk for subsistence is hard to find, at least where I live) NEVER make a sequel to MGS4, I just don't see how it would work out really.
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#69 Alter_Echo
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MGS5 will happen eventually and probably as early as late this gen. If not it'll definitely be on the PS4. You can throw all the other reasons for it being or not being done out the window. Its just way too lucrative and way too easy to cash in on and they know it.

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#70 LoneWolfeNV
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]

Why would Kojima waste time remaking those?

why would he not?

I played MG 1 through MGS 3: Subsistence and thought it was a pretty flawed game (Yes, it is old but even so the gameplay wasn't polished to say the least). Also, if I recall correctly Metal Gear itself wasn't even in the game. I can't speak on the 2nd one as I've never tried it. Kojima would most likely have to go back and completely flush out the games. I say leave those games in peace and work on new Metal Gear games.

Actually, it was in the game. Not quite fully functional (it just stood there while you c4'd its feet) but it IS in the game... If I remember correctly, it's called the TX-55
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#71 LoneWolfeNV
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]

Why would Kojima waste time remaking those?

why would he not?

I played MG 1 through MGS 3: Subsistence and thought it was a pretty flawed game (Yes, it is old but even so the gameplay wasn't polished to say the least). Also, if I recall correctly Metal Gear itself wasn't even in the game. I can't speak on the 2nd one as I've never tried it. Kojima would most likely have to go back and completely flush out the games. I say leave those games in peace and work on new Metal Gear games.

Actually, it was in the game. Not quite fully functional (it just stood there while you c4'd its feet) but it IS in the game... If I remember correctly, it's called the TX-55
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#72 LoneWolfeNV
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Sorry for the repost... stupid ps3 browser >
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#73 biggest_loser
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Can't we have something new? :(
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#74 StealthSting
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Quite frankly I'm getting a bit tired of this. The reason why he's been constantly frustrated at the industry is because he always seems to say that he can't make what he likes or wants, he even says that he's extremely jealous of developers like Goichi Suda because he finds that developers like him can do whatever the hell they want. Hell this sort of frustration shown by him has a direct result on his opinion of the medium as an art form. That said, I really do wonder...

I'm sure that Konami calls the strings and I'm sure, that like any person working in his field, he is restricted in some ways, but how accurate is this really? I mean, he is freaking Hideo Kojima, all he has to do is come up with an interesting sound video game concept, strap his name on the box, and they're good to go. This is actually starting to make me wonder if Kojima isn't just whinning his ass off. Got great ideas for the industry? Great, let's hear them. Konami doesn't want to produce or even touch them? I have a hard time imagining that, if they are in fact solid ideas for a video game. I mean, how restrictive can Konami really be when we're talking about their most important and significant developer.

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#75 timmy00
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oh hai old thread.

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#76 StealthSting
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oh hai old thread.

timmy00

Haha ohh...

Well my point still stands.

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#77 ChubbyGuy40
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all i want to know is when the heck is peace walker getting ported to the playstation 3?:x

mlbslugger86

At this rate, it might see life on PC first :P I'd much prefer it that way as its a perfect fit. Plus PC hasn't had any Metal Gear since MGS2. It needs some lovin'

Hey, at least its online would never go down :D

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#78 lundy86_4
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I think its time he remade MG1 and 2.

MGS 5 can wait.

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Agreed. MG1 & 2 in the MGS4 engine would be epic.

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#79 NaveedLife
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I LOVE the MGS series and would be more than happy to see another. That said, I am happy where the series has "ended" and feel as though he should use his talents on a new IP and turn that into a series.

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#80 NaveedLife
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Son of a gun I never check the date of the threads. Be gone trolls!

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#81 lundy86_4
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Son of a gun I never check the date of the threads. Be gone trolls!

NaveedLife

Lame. I missed it as well.

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Zombie thread.

Mods: lock!!!

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