High end PC gaming, super power for less than you think.

I've got to ask again, where is the motherboard? I didn't see it in the first post.

Ek-Andy

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] Thankx :D, the un-informed hate here is laughable "Bu..Bu... where is teh monitor!!" :lol:PC360Wii

"Bu..Bu... where is teh monitor!!" is unfortunately somewhat valid.... Sure, console fanbois tend to exagerrate thr price of PCs but Hermits are almost equally as good at making it seem cheap.

I for one own a laptop atm so I'd have to buy everything, to "upgrade" my PC. Getting Vista 64 along with peripherals and an I7/GTX275/DDR3 rig will cost me 2 grand (which I'll be happy to pay mind you).

Hmm, point taken.

Seems I can win nearly 400 bucks merely by shaving down (Actually, it's probably faster than an I7 920) to a 3.0 GHz Quad and a GTx260.. Damn...

I see it didn't take long for the consolites to start cramming console standards down PC users throats; then get upset/angry when they wouldn't accept them.

Unlike consoles we can improve our system without replacing the whole thing, yet whenever I see these threads you always get "where is the monitor, OS and mouse & keyboard?".

AnnoyedDragon

maybe if you could get over your whole superiority complex thing you might realise these kind of threads are pointless in SW. Its like saying "consoles are cheaper than you think if you only buy a bigger harddrive and wireless controller, because i already have the other parts". :roll:

I see it didn't take long for the consolites to start cramming console standards down PC users throats; then get upset/angry when they wouldn't accept them.

Unlike consoles we can improve our system without replacing the whole thing, yet whenever I see these threads you always get "where is the monitor, OS and mouse & keyboard?".

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"] Which hermits are those?, anybody who is not completely computer stupid knows you need more than just the CPU to run the latest games. But then again you wouldn't know that with your "Custom ATI Graphics Processor running at 3.2 GHZ each" Or your Hilariously low 512 MB of Ram... But anyways sounds like a great computer you got on your hands Bolo, GL on your build.PC360Wii

512MB is enough for console, more RAM is needed on pc coz of its OS, consoles dont need that.

im only stating facts. 512MB is enough for console built in 2005, RAM on pc is not only for games, even games like crysis dont require 4GB RAMs, they only need 1 or 2gig so i dont see how 512MB is bad for consoles made specifially for gaming back in 2005

maybe if you could get over your whole superiority complex thing you might realise these kind of threads are pointless in SW. Its like saying "consoles are cheaper than you think if you only buy a bigger harddrive and wireless controller, because i already have the other parts". :roll:

marklarmer

Only PC is upgradable by design, why should we be expected to have to replace every component when we only need to replace a couple? People even argue we have to buy a new operating system; when any PC builder will already have a reusable copy on hand.

To me it is either people forcing console standards onto PC, such as the lack of being able to upgrade individual components, or just looking for excuses to drive up the price.

I've got to ask again, where is the motherboard? I didn't see it in the first post.

Ek-Andy

pfft you dont need that, the only thing you need to play crysis on max is a GPU, CPU, RAM and HDD :)

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Extra controllers? I do need at least 1 keyboard and 1 mouse use the rig... and where I live, the OEM version of Vista Home Premium 64 is the equivalent of 190 USD.

In fact, I'm pretty sure TC's rig would be a 1 grand machine already.

Filthybastrd

You should stop repeating yourself when you're wrong. If a PC needs a screen, mouse, keyboard, OS then your console needs a 52' Pioneer Kudo screen, 4 controllers, every possible pheriphal and the highest possible HD, oh and atleast 5 years of XLive incase it's a X360.

You can actually get a better PC if you go the AMD/ATI way.

Case & Power - Antec Sonata III + EC EarthWatt 500 - 110EU

Mobo - MSI K9A2 CF-F - 70EU

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 940 - 170EU

GPU - Sapphire Radeon HD4890 1GB Vapor-X - 210EU

Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB - 50EU

Corsair Dominator TWIN2X 4096-8500 4GB -70EU

CPU Cooler - OCZ Vendetta 2 - 30

This costs about 700EU, then again this thing is a beast and will run any game without any hassle.

No I need a reasonable hdtv and the controller that comes with my console.

If I don't already have a keyboard, mouse, screen and appropriate OS do I not need to purchase them?

There is a difference between a console and a PC. Everyone has a PC, everyone needs a PC. Why? Because it's what we need for our work, college, you name it. You don't need a console for that. So everyone has a keyboard, everyone has a mouse, everyone has an OS, everyone has a screen. If they don't and need to buy one it'll still be alot cheaper then a decent HDTV.

Good for you, but PC just doesn't have many games that interest me so ill stick to consoles.

Where's the mouse, keyboard, screen and OS?

Even if you're using your old parts (not an option for some of us) you're going to need a 64 bit OS.

Filthybastrd

So i posted this is the HardWare discussion forum (thinking of buying) but i thought i might as well post it here to finally kill dead any misconception that high end PCs cost upwards of £2,000.

This is a crossfire model with two 4850's and a good offer on each companat from the UKs biggest Hardware distubutor (no cheap parts for me!)

........ and yes, it will run crysis on Ultra :P

HDD (Ive got another 250GB already)

320 GB Seagate ST3320613AS Barracuda 7200.11, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.5 ms, NCQ

PSU (part i'm most unsure about)

630W HiperPower HPU-4M630-PE 85% Eff', PCI-E, UK + EU, Crossfire & SLI Certified

CPU

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700, Kentsfield Core, S775, 2.66 GHz 1066MHz 8MB Cache, 10x Multiplier, OE

Memeory

4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX DDR2 XMS2, PC2-8500 (1066), 240Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-15, EPP

GPU

512MB XFX HD 4850 XXX, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), 2100MHz GDDR3, GPU 650MHz, 800 Cores, 2x DLDVI-I/ HDTV, HDCP

(Two of these)^^

Xclio Windtunnel Extreme V2 Cooling Black Tower case with 2 x 25cm VR Side Fans - w/o PSU

Cooler, extras and so forth.

120mm Silverstone FN121 120mm Low Noise Case Fan 1200rpm

LG GH22NP20 AUAA50B 22x DVD±R, 12x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, DVD-RAM x12, IDE Black OEM

LG DH16NS10.AUAA10B 16x Internal DVDROM, Black Bare Drive, SATA, OEM

Akasa AK-965 x3 Copper Heatpipe Cooler Intel Core2Quad/Duo with 92mm side blow fan, Intel push pin

Total Price £568 (including offers, so don't tell me my additon is wrong )

So here you go SW, PC gaming is more expensive but for high end parts even in the EU it will cost less than you think, it also has the most games to play on this beast and hey, once you factor in the noraml price of a PC, say £300, you begin to see how much of a good deal it can be. Rember folks this is meant to be a beast, most people playing at normal resolutions woun't need this much power to get a decent experice out of it.

*EDIT*

Woops, forgot to post MoBo, there are about actually 6 i am looking through,

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/DFI-Blood-Iron-BI-P45-T2RS-Intel-P45-Express-S-775-PCI-E-20-(x16)-DDR2-1066-SATA-RAID-ATX

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Asus-P5Q-PRO-iP45-S-775-PCI-E-20-(x16)-DDR2-1200MHz-SATA-II-SATA-RAID-ATX

are the two front runners.

BoloTheGreat

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Where's the mouse, keyboard, screen and OS?

Even if you're using your old parts (not an option for some of us) you're going to need a 64 bit OS.

skrat_01

32 bit windows only supports up to 3 gigs of ram.

On a side note: Is it worth it to pay a little extra for a logitech G11 gamin keyboard and a logitech MX518 optical gaming mouse?

Need a keyboard due to owning a laptop and my current mouse is beat enough to warrant buying a new one anyway...

32 bit windows only supports up to 3 gigs of ram.Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]32 bit windows only supports up to 3 gigs of ram.Vandalvideo

Just saying since TC's rig had 4 gigs...

Edit: I have 4 gigs as well, which registers fine in sytem info but games only detect 3...

Just saying since TC's rig had 4 gigs...Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]32 bit windows only supports up to 3 gigs of ram.Filthybastrd

Just saying since TC's rig had 4 gigs...

Edit: I have 4 gigs as well, which registers fine in sytem info but games only detect 3...

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

And can Ubuntu be used to play games?

Ek-Andy

Yeah it can.

ReactOS (which is essentially an open source Windows distro) is also going to be coming out soon.

Really? Though you say it is coming out soon, and not actually now so I take it it can't be used to play games right now then? I'd say that is questionable but it might be true.

It's only in alpha, but AFAIK it's Kernal is NT just like windows.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Any more than 2 just seems like enthusiastic overkill for a negligble ammount of FPS gain. EDIT: I can have up to 4 on my XP rig. :|clembo1990

Just saying since TC's rig had 4 gigs...

Edit: I have 4 gigs as well, which registers fine in sytem info but games only detect 3...

[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Just saying since TC's rig had 4 gigs...

Edit: I have 4 gigs as well, which registers fine in sytem info but games only detect 3...

PC360Wii

512MB is enough for console, more RAM is needed on pc coz of its OS, consoles dont need that.

sikanderahmed

That's actually not true and you probably know it, but refuse to admit it. RAM is essential for HD gaming, unfortunately they only figured that out after they hit their system limits.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] Again, not a factor, Consoes don't ship with HDTVs and extra controllers do they? should we factor those things in? CAPSROGUE

Extra controllers? I do need at least 1 keyboard and 1 mouse use the rig... and where I live, the OEM version of Vista Home Premium 64 is the equivalent of 190 USD.

In fact, I'm pretty sure TC's rig would be a 1 grand machine already.

You should stop repeating yourself when you're wrong. If a PC needs a screen, mouse, keyboard, OS then your console needs a 52' Pioneer Kudo screen, 4 controllers, every possible pheriphal and the highest possible HD, oh and atleast 5 years of XLive incase it's a X360.

You can actually get a better PC if you go the AMD/ATI way.

Case & Power - Antec Sonata III + EC EarthWatt 500 - 110EU

Mobo - MSI K9A2 CF-F - 70EU

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 940 - 170EU

GPU - Sapphire Radeon HD4890 1GB Vapor-X - 210EU

Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB - 50EU

Corsair Dominator TWIN2X 4096-8500 4GB -70EU

CPU Cooler - OCZ Vendetta 2 - 30

This costs about 700EU, then again this thing is a beast and will run any game without any hassle.

Why do you exxagerate like that?

When buying a new gaming rig you can NEVER expect people to actually have both monitor and mouse/keyboard.

How do you want to play games with not m/k? you can stretch it and hook up your computer to a tv (no monitor needed now) but still no m/k? A console comes with atleast 1 controller and a tv is something we all do own, if not then buy a cheap tv.

I'm not trying to tell you that the mouse and keyboard is going to ruin your economy but just that it is needed, heck buy something dirt cheap I dont care. Just dont come with that **** that we need a 508 or 5090 Pioneer tv and atleast 4 controllers to play with yourself, Oh and those tv's are the best you can get, why'd you choose those when you can get so much cheaper tv's?

So 64 bit Vista aint worth it at all? I was considering getting it since I expect games to be all about that 2 years from now. May as well get used to it I reckon...

quit being a wus and go ALL OUT.

core i7 exteme
HD 4870 X2 2GB
8GB triple channel 1066 RAM
1000W PSU

do you want to play games with not m/k? you can stretch it and hook up your computer to a tv (no monitor needed now) but still no m/k? danish-death

My computer in my sig cost me 1300.00, and that is not expensive at all considering i bought the I7's a day after they launched, and also i didnt Newegg it either so i could have gotten it for cheaper if i wasnt impatient.

"Bu..Bu... where is teh monitor!!" is unfortunately somewhat valid.... Sure, console fanbois tend to exagerrate thr price of PCs but Hermits are almost equally as good at making it seem cheap.

I for one own a laptop atm so I'd have to buy everything, to "upgrade" my PC. Getting Vista 64 along with peripherals and an I7/GTX275/DDR3 rig will cost me 2 grand (which I'll be happy to pay mind you).

Filthybastrd

not really i don't know many who have never owned a computer suddenly wanting a high end gaming pc, firstly they won't have a clue about anything a pc does and they won't know how to put one together. This is for people wanting to get into pc gaming and most likely will already have a pc.

if you are that desperate as others have said use the pc on your tv or get an old screen from some charity shop or ebay, and get a cheap kb/m and xp for cheap. Ask a mate to borrow their xp or vista.

OP's build is well worth it, and if you don't care about maxing out crysis you can easily knock £100-200 off that build.

quit being a wus and go ALL OUT.

core i7 exteme
HD 4870 X2 2GB
8GB triple channel 1066 RAM
1000W PSU

lespaul1919

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

quit being a wus and go ALL OUT.

core i7 exteme
HD 4870 X2 2GB
8GB triple channel 1066 RAM
1000W PSU

BoloTheGreat

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]"Bu..Bu... where is teh monitor!!" is unfortunately somewhat valid.... Sure, console fanbois tend to exagerrate thr price of PCs but Hermits are almost equally as good at making it seem cheap.

I for one own a laptop atm so I'd have to buy everything, to "upgrade" my PC. Getting Vista 64 along with peripherals and an I7/GTX275/DDR3 rig will cost me 2 grand (which I'll be happy to pay mind you).

Mckenna1845

not really i don't know many who have never owned a computer suddenly wanting a high end gaming pc, firstly they won't have a clue about anything a pc does and they won't know how to put one together. This is for people wanting to get into pc gaming and most likely will already have a pc.

if you are that desperate as others have said use the pc on your tv or get an old screen from some charity shop or ebay, and get a cheap kb/m and xp for cheap. Ask a mate to borrow their xp or vista.

OP's build is well worth it, and if you don't care about maxing out crysis you can easily knock £100-200 off that build.

Personally, I'm not going to settle with a rig like that.....

I'm only debating because most Hermits here treats subjects like these like anyone can get a Crysis/Max pc for 500 bucks which is untrue to say the least.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps

^ 479

http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/store/configurator.aspx?mid=182

Customize it to Athlon X2 7850 and GTS 250 for 503$

That's all I care to waste my time on.

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]"Bu..Bu... where is teh monitor!!" is unfortunately somewhat valid.... Sure, console fanbois tend to exagerrate thr price of PCs but Hermits are almost equally as good at making it seem cheap.

I for one own a laptop atm so I'd have to buy everything, to "upgrade" my PC. Getting Vista 64 along with peripherals and an I7/GTX275/DDR3 rig will cost me 2 grand (which I'll be happy to pay mind you).

Filthybastrd

not really i don't know many who have never owned a computer suddenly wanting a high end gaming pc, firstly they won't have a clue about anything a pc does and they won't know how to put one together. This is for people wanting to get into pc gaming and most likely will already have a pc.

if you are that desperate as others have said use the pc on your tv or get an old screen from some charity shop or ebay, and get a cheap kb/m and xp for cheap. Ask a mate to borrow their xp or vista.

OP's build is well worth it, and if you don't care about maxing out crysis you can easily knock £100-200 off that build.

Personally, I'm not going to settle with a rig like that.....

I'm only debating because most Hermits here treats subjects like these like anyone can get a Crysis/Max pc for 500 bucks which is untrue to say the least.

you can get a wii, 360 elite and ps3 80gig for that price......lawlz

sikanderahmed

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="Pinkyimp"] Which hermits are those?, anybody who is not completely computer stupid knows you need more than just the CPU to run the latest games. But then again you wouldn't know that with your "Custom ATI Graphics Processor running at 3.2 GHZ each" Or your Hilariously low 512 MB of Ram... But anyways sounds like a great computer you got on your hands Bolo, GL on your build.Filthybastrd

"Bu..Bu... where is teh monitor!!" is unfortunately somewhat valid.... Sure, console fanbois tend to exagerrate thr price of PCs but Hermits are almost equally as good at making it seem cheap.

I for one own a laptop atm so I'd have to buy everything, to "upgrade" my PC. Getting Vista 64 along with peripherals and an I7/GTX275/DDR3 rig will cost me 2 grand (which I'll be happy to pay mind you).

No its not valid...

..what ever you plug your console into you plug your pc into...HDMI, VGA heck even s-video!!

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Where's the mouse, keyboard, screen and OS?

everyone who buys a console probably has a tv. if a bought a pc, i would get a monitor, KB/M and OS (and also ofcourse teh anti-virus as well) with it, add in those prices as well and you are looking at something well over £600

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Where's the mouse, keyboard, screen and OS?

Even if you're using your old parts (not an option for some of us) you're going to need a 64 bit OS.

So i posted this is the HardWare discussion forum (thinking of buying) but i thought i might as well post it here to finally kill dead any misconception that high end PCs cost upwards of £2,000.

This is a crossfire model with two 4850's and a good offer on each companat from the UKs biggest Hardware distubutor (no cheap parts for me!)

........ and yes, it will run crysis on Ultra :P

HDD (Ive got another 250GB already)

320 GB Seagate ST3320613AS Barracuda 7200.11, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.5 ms, NCQ

PSU (part i'm most unsure about)

630W HiperPower HPU-4M630-PE 85% Eff', PCI-E, UK + EU, Crossfire & SLI Certified

CPU

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700, Kentsfield Core, S775, 2.66 GHz 1066MHz 8MB Cache, 10x Multiplier, OE

Memeory

4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX DDR2 XMS2, PC2-8500 (1066), 240Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-15, EPP

GPU

512MB XFX HD 4850 XXX, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), 2100MHz GDDR3, GPU 650MHz, 800 Cores, 2x DLDVI-I/ HDTV, HDCP

(Two of these)^^

Xclio Windtunnel Extreme V2 Cooling Black Tower case with 2 x 25cm VR Side Fans - w/o PSU

Cooler, extras and so forth.

120mm Silverstone FN121 120mm Low Noise Case Fan 1200rpm

LG GH22NP20 AUAA50B 22x DVD±R, 12x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, DVD-RAM x12, IDE Black OEM

LG DH16NS10.AUAA10B 16x Internal DVDROM, Black Bare Drive, SATA, OEM

Akasa AK-965 x3 Copper Heatpipe Cooler Intel Core2Quad/Duo with 92mm side blow fan, Intel push pin

Total Price £568 (including offers, so don't tell me my additon is wrong )

So here you go SW, PC gaming is more expensive but for high end parts even in the EU it will cost less than you think, it also has the most games to play on this beast and hey, once you factor in the noraml price of a PC, say £300, you begin to see how much of a good deal it can be. Rember folks this is meant to be a beast, most people playing at normal resolutions woun't need this much power to get a decent experice out of it.

*EDIT*

Woops, forgot to post MoBo, there are about actually 6 i am looking through,

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/DFI-Blood-Iron-BI-P45-T2RS-Intel-P45-Express-S-775-PCI-E-20-(x16)-DDR2-1066-SATA-RAID-ATX

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Asus-P5Q-PRO-iP45-S-775-PCI-E-20-(x16)-DDR2-1200MHz-SATA-II-SATA-RAID-ATX

are the two front runners.

BoloTheGreat

i havent been cheking the computer parts market for a while! when did XFX start making radeon cards :o!killa4lyfe

Only recently. Thy debuted with the introduction of the 4000 series cards.

Love hermits throwing in the price of a tv into the situation lol. You do know that people have tv's to watch tv right and are used on a daily basis in normal house holds. But a top end graphics card isn't needed or used everyday in normal house holds.

And with the prices of tv's today, most people are either already upgraded to a hd tv, or within 6months to a year the other majority will be making the switch. And believe it or not they buy them to replace old crt sets and to actually watch tv on them lol. They will just get the extra enjoyment of hooking up a ps3 to it to finalize their home theater setup after going hd.

And also love how hermits just have $200 OS's laying around and never include its price when making these rigs to gloat about how cheap it is to play pc games.

Pluse I just got a new rig about 2 months ago and the only game I've bought for my pc since that time has been Crysis and really nothing in the future of pc gaming makes me think my purchase was worth it lol. Minus HL3, and maybe Huxley. And not Doom 4 casue its to linear lol, thats my shot at all those people that love to use that word "linear" to make a game seem crappy lol.

Love hermits throwing in the price of a tv into the situation lol. You do know that people have tv's to watch tv right and are used on a daily basis in normal house holds. But a top end graphics card isn't needed or used everyday in normal house holds.

And with the prices of tv's today, most people are either already upgraded to a hd tv, or within 6months to a year the other majority will be making the switch. And believe it or not they buy them to replace old crt sets and to actually watch tv on them lol. They will just get the extra enjoyment of hooking up a ps3 to it to finalize their home theater setup after going hd.

And also love how hermits just have $200 OS's laying around and never include its price when making these rigs to gloat about how cheap it is to play pc games.

Pluse I just got a new rig about 2 months ago and the only game I've bought for my pc since that time has been Crysis and really nothing in the future of pc gaming makes me think my purchase was worth it lol. Minus HL3, and maybe Huxley. And not Doom 4 casue its to linear lol, thats my shot at all those people that love to use that word "linear" to make a game seem crappy lol.

GreyFoXX4

Love hermits throwing in the price of a tv into the situation lol. You do know that people have tv's to watch tv right and are used on a daily basis in normal house holds. But a top end graphics card isn't needed or used everyday in normal house holds.

And with the prices of tv's today, most people are either already upgraded to a hd tv, or within 6months to a year the other majority will be making the switch. And believe it or not they buy them to replace old crt sets and to actually watch tv on them lol. They will just get the extra enjoyment of hooking up a ps3 to it to finalize their home theater setup after going hd.

And also love how hermits just have $200 OS's laying around and never include its price when making these rigs to gloat about how cheap it is to play pc games.

Pluse I just got a new rig about 2 months ago and the only game I've bought for my pc since that time has been Crysis and really nothing in the future of pc gaming makes me think my purchase was worth it lol. Minus HL3, and maybe Huxley. And not Doom 4 casue its to linear lol, thats my shot at all those people that love to use that word "linear" to make a game seem crappy lol.