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#151 TheShadowLord07
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i never saw anything special about phsyx tbh

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#153 lowe0
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[QUOTE="GeorgeCScott"]Everyone on this board posts on a PC ... that means at least ~$300 wasted on a bad PC, and then $300 wasted on consoles... for $700 you have a dominant gaming PC. Combine the functions of the budget PC and console and you have a much better product IMO... and running Batman in its glory as intended.

Not necessarily. I'm posting this from my phone, for example.
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#154 lowe0
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Why would you need to buy a new monitor?

My monitor is an old cathode tube, my plasma is 720p.

Why don't you just hook up the PC to your TV then? Most Video cards have HDMI now.

It's a 720p TV, which PC gamers have already dismissed as an unbearably horrible resolution. So he's still going to take crap from you guys anyway. Why bother?
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#155 starjet905
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

DragonfireXZ95
Probably mouse and keyboard. Batman: AA played pretty well with it.

This. Only consolites claim OMG THIS GAME NEED TEH CONTROLLERZZ!! And if you really want, plug one in. :D Same cannot be said for FPS and consoles. :lol:
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#156 jer_1
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All I can say is I'm glad I scrapped my crappy ATI card and picked up a 560 ti! Good choice on my part, now if only I could have sported a 580 instead of a 560... :?

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#157 Mystic-G
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BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

KiZZo1
Probably M/KB. Why? Do u think it's be a problem for me? Cause uhmm, I was able to beat Arkham Asylum on the hardest difficulty with it quite easily. =)
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#158 Kinthalis
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

Mystic-G

Probably M/KB. Why? Do u think it's be a problem for me? Cause uhmm, I was able to beat Arkham Asylum on the hardest difficulty with it quite easily. =)

They did an amazing job ont he mouse & keyboard controls on Arkham Asylum.

Combat wassimply a lot better with mouse and keyboard vs controller.

The only issue were those 2 or 3 momements in the game where they took away camera control from you.

In those moments the keybaord fared poorly. They were still beatable, but it wasn't optimal.

The keyboard needs the mouse controlling the camera to create a rich movement scheme. Without it, the digitla nature rears it's ugly head.

Hopefully we won't see that happen in Arkham City.

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#159 KiZZo1
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

Mystic-G

Probably M/KB. Why? Do u think it's be a problem for me? Cause uhmm, I was able to beat Arkham Asylum on the hardest difficulty with it quite easily. =)

I beat Super Meat Boy with a keyboard. Doesn't change the fact that games designed for pad play better with a pad.

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#160 cain006
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

KiZZo1

Probably M/KB. Why? Do u think it's be a problem for me? Cause uhmm, I was able to beat Arkham Asylum on the hardest difficulty with it quite easily. =)

I beat Super Meat Boy with a keyboard. Doesn't change the fact that games designed for pad play better with a pad.

Um I tried it with both the 360 controller and the keyboard and mouse, and thought KB/M was better. I'll take switching gadgets more quickly and aiming better over the controller being better for the 3% of the time that I couldn't control the view of the game.

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#161 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

KiZZo1

Probably M/KB. Why? Do u think it's be a problem for me? Cause uhmm, I was able to beat Arkham Asylum on the hardest difficulty with it quite easily. =)

I beat Super Meat Boy with a keyboard. Doesn't change the fact that games designed for pad play better with a pad.

That's nice. It was also designed with DX11 and PhysX on PC. That won't stop you from looking at the console version now will it? ;) Fact remains the control scheme on PC is still very easy to use and that's all that matters is that the control scheme works. That said... if I had such an issue with it, i'd just go buy a gamepad for PC, so you can stop acting like the PC version doesn't have that capability now. But I don't have a issue with the M/KB controls at all so yea.

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#162 nismo8000
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[QUOTE="GeorgeCScott"]Everyone on this board posts on a PC ... that means at least ~$300 wasted on a bad PC, and then $300 wasted on consoles...

lundy86_4

Laptop/netbook.

iphone/droid
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#163 PcGamingRig
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BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

KiZZo1

my mouse and keyboard, like I did in Arkham Asylum

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#164 nismo8000
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"] My monitor is an old cathode tube, my plasma is 720p.lowe0
Why don't you just hook up the PC to your TV then? Most Video cards have HDMI now.

It's a 720p TV, which PC gamers have already dismissed as an unbearably horrible resolution. So he's still going to take crap from you guys anyway. Why bother?

well considering the fact that most "720p" console games don't even run at 720p (halo 3 for example, runs at 540p) he'll still get better results from a gaming PC. not to mention the incredible framerates he'll get at that resolution even with mid level cards.
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#165 nismo8000
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i learned from this thread, that the only thing more annoying than a console gamer who refused to admit that PC is superior to console gaming in every way other than cost, is a spec whore PC gamer that lives to squeeze out an extra 7FPS out of a game that isn't even really that fun instead of just enjoying games that ARE fun.

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#166 KiZZo1
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That's nice. It was also designed with DX11 and PhysX on PC. That won't stop you from looking at the console version now will it? ;) Fact remains the control scheme on PC is still very easy to use and that's all that matters is that the control scheme works. That said... if I had such an issue with it, i'd just go buy a gamepad for PC, so you can stop acting like the PC version doesn't have that capability now. But I don't have a issue with the M/KB controls at all so yea.

Mystic-G

Where did I say PC hasn't got that capability?

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#167 i_like_pie35
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Probably M/KB. Why? Do u think it's be a problem for me? Cause uhmm, I was able to beat Arkham Asylum on the hardest difficulty with it quite easily. =) Mystic-G

I beat Super Meat Boy with a keyboard. Doesn't change the fact that games designed for pad play better with a pad.

That's nice. It was also designed with DX11 and PhysX on PC. That won't stop you from looking at the console version now will it? ;) Fact remains the control scheme on PC is still very easy to use and that's all that matters is that the control scheme works. That said... if I had such an issue with it, i'd just go buy a gamepad for PC, so you can stop acting like the PC version doesn't have that capability now. But I don't have a issue with the M/KB controls at all so yea.

PC has gamepads?! Since the 1990's? WAT.

How do people not know this?

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#168 lowe0
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[QUOTE="nismo8000"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Why don't you just hook up the PC to your TV then? Most Video cards have HDMI now.

It's a 720p TV, which PC gamers have already dismissed as an unbearably horrible resolution. So he's still going to take crap from you guys anyway. Why bother?

well considering the fact that most "720p" console games don't even run at 720p (halo 3 for example, runs at 540p) he'll still get better results from a gaming PC. not to mention the incredible framerates he'll get at that resolution even with mid level cards.

"Most"? Alright, let's see a list of console games claiming to support 720p that run at sub-720p resolutions. I demand to see 50%+1, or a retraction of your statement. You might want to refer to the Beyond3D resolution list. Oh, and Halo 3 runs at 640p, not 540p. So far, you're not off to such a great start.
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#170 lowe0
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Why don't you just hook up the PC to your TV then? Most Video cards have HDMI now.

It's a 720p TV, which PC gamers have already dismissed as an unbearably horrible resolution. So he's still going to take crap from you guys anyway. Why bother?

Daw, that's so bitter it's almost cute. Seriously an attitude like that is as immature as the juvenile PC gamers out there, which is just damn sad. There's nothing wrong with increasing the fidelity on a low resolution screen, if anything it'll improve the frame rate.

Oh, I agree with you; I'm just bringing it up to make a point.
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#171 jedikevin2
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"] It's a 720p TV, which PC gamers have already dismissed as an unbearably horrible resolution. So he's still going to take crap from you guys anyway. Why bother?lowe0
Daw, that's so bitter it's almost cute. Seriously an attitude like that is as immature as the juvenile PC gamers out there, which is just damn sad. There's nothing wrong with increasing the fidelity on a low resolution screen, if anything it'll improve the frame rate.

Oh, I agree with you; I'm just bringing it up to make a point.

What is that point if I may ask? Seems like alot of generalization. I have a 720p hdtv and enjoy playing games at 1366x768 which is a resolution for most 720p hdtvs (If I may add is higher then 90% of any console game in the base case)

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#172 foxhound_fox
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So anything that actually adds to the gameplay or atmosphere? Nothing that I saw really did.
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#173 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"] Daw, that's so bitter it's almost cute. Seriously an attitude like that is as immature as the juvenile PC gamers out there, which is just damn sad. There's nothing wrong with increasing the fidelity on a low resolution screen, if anything it'll improve the frame rate.jedikevin2

Oh, I agree with you; I'm just bringing it up to make a point.

What is that point if I may ask? Seems like alot of generalization. I have a 720p hdtv and enjoy playing games at 1366x768 which is a resolution for most 720p hdtvs (If I may add is higher then 90% of any console game in the base case)

That 720p isn't unbearably horrible; otherwise, why even suggest it? And once that's established, what other parts of the console experience that are described was such aren't actually all that bad after all?
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#174 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So anything that actually adds to the gameplay or atmosphere? Nothing that I saw really did.

Actually PhysX & DX11 does add to atmosphere. ;) Let's just leave it at, "it doesn't add to the gameplay".
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#175 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"] It's a 720p TV, which PC gamers have already dismissed as an unbearably horrible resolution. So he's still going to take crap from you guys anyway. Why bother?

Daw, that's so bitter it's almost cute. Seriously an attitude like that is as immature as the juvenile PC gamers out there, which is just damn sad. There's nothing wrong with increasing the fidelity on a low resolution screen, if anything it'll improve the frame rate.

Oh, I agree with you; I'm just bringing it up to make a point.

But a point that you're acting even more immature than PC gamers who will establish 720p is a low resolution before dancing around it, only based off someone's suggestion that a TV would do the trick? Hrm.
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#176 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So anything that actually adds to the gameplay or atmosphere? Nothing that I saw really did.

It does add to the atmosphere. The particle effects were a treat in enhancing the mood, cloth physics looked wonderful in complimenting the motion of batmans face-punching, and the shattering particle physics made the feedback of combat noticeably more meaty (when goons hit he ground you were given a far better impression of the force, then the odd awkward slump without it). It's purely cosmetic, and the game will be undoubtedly great without it, but it does enhance the game.
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#177 Arach666
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BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

KiZZo1
KB/M no doubt,considering how good it was in AA when I tried it.
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#178 ducati101
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played Batman AA on console and PC, well the graphic itself is identical, but the physics part really does add extra atmosphere and visual candy throughout(by ALOT) an extra 0.5+ in my book definitelypcps360
Graphics are identical in Batman AA! You sure? I played it at 1600p, max AA, max graphic settings, over 60fps etc.. As oppose to 720p with medium settings etc.
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#179 Deathtransit
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Why would you need to buy a new monitor?

My monitor is an old cathode tube, my plasma is 720p.

Why don't you just hook up the PC to your TV then? Most Video cards have HDMI now.

I would like a gaming PC, but if I do it I'm going to go all the way, otherwise I don't really see the point. I would want teh high resolutions, that's one of the main draws.
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#180 ducati101
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

BTW, hermits, what input method will you use on the holy definitive version?

PcGamingRig

Haven't decided yet, maybe m/kb or 360 controller or PS3 controller or might even try Wii controller. :)

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#181 freedomfreak
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Batman: Particle City

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#182 ManicAce
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I think it makes a big difference, looks a lot more alive. I'm actually pondering getting it for PS3 so I can lend it to friends, but were I a lucky nvidia owner this would propably make me lean for the PC version.
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#183 lowe0
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"] Daw, that's so bitter it's almost cute. Seriously an attitude like that is as immature as the juvenile PC gamers out there, which is just damn sad. There's nothing wrong with increasing the fidelity on a low resolution screen, if anything it'll improve the frame rate.

Oh, I agree with you; I'm just bringing it up to make a point.

But a point that you're acting even more immature than PC gamers who will establish 720p is a low resolution before dancing around it, only based off someone's suggestion that a TV would do the trick? Hrm.

Take it up with the mods, then.
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#186 KHAndAnime
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So anything that actually adds to the gameplay or atmosphere? Nothing that I saw really did.

I guess it comes down what you consider to be atmospheric. I think any extra added details add atmosphere.
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#187 lostrib
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I think it makes a big difference, looks a lot more alive. I'm actually pondering getting it for PS3 so I can lend it to friends, but were I a lucky nvidia owner this would propably make me lean for the PC version.ManicAce
Makes me consider getting a 560 ti
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#188 PAL360
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PhysX on = jaw dropped

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#189 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="ManicAce"]I think it makes a big difference, looks a lot more alive. I'm actually pondering getting it for PS3 so I can lend it to friends, but were I a lucky nvidia owner this would propably make me lean for the PC version.lostrib
Makes me consider getting a 560 ti

I think the 560ti actually comes with Batman for free at alot of places.
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#190 percech
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Is this some kind of joke? Nobody's gonna go out to buy a new gpu just for that. It wasn't even impressive. Besides, I doubt the one month delay was do to adding some particle effects...they're just adding ways to combat against piracy like they did with AA.
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#191 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"] My monitor is an old cathode tube, my plasma is 720p.lowe0
Why don't you just hook up the PC to your TV then? Most Video cards have HDMI now.

It's a 720p TV, which PC gamers have already dismissed as an unbearably horrible resolution. So he's still going to take crap from you guys anyway. Why bother?

I wouldn't give him crap, I don't care what resolution he plays his games at as long as he gave them a try instead of just writing them off without ever trying them. :?
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#192 DragonfireXZ95
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i learned from this thread, that the only thing more annoying than a console gamer who refused to admit that PC is superior to console gaming in every way other than cost, is a spec whore PC gamer that lives to squeeze out an extra 7FPS out of a game that isn't even really that fun instead of just enjoying games that ARE fun.

nismo8000
Batman: AC isn't fun? Is that what you just said?
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#193 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Oh, I agree with you; I'm just bringing it up to make a point.

But a point that you're acting even more immature than PC gamers who will establish 720p is a low resolution before dancing around it, only based off someone's suggestion that a TV would do the trick? Hrm.

Take it up with the mods, then.

Why bother, I'm not the one acting petty.
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#194 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"] My monitor is an old cathode tube, my plasma is 720p.Deathtransit
Why don't you just hook up the PC to your TV then? Most Video cards have HDMI now.

I would like a gaming PC, but if I do it I'm going to go all the way, otherwise I don't really see the point. I would want teh high resolutions, that's one of the main draws.

720p with tessellation and physx still looks and runs better than the console versions.

Besides, there's a lot more to gaming on PC than just the graphics. Exclusives are a huge reason? Like horror games? Well the best horror game ever made is only on PC - Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Like FPS games? Some of the best FPS games exist only on the PC. And other things like that.

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#195 Kickinurass
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Honestly doesn't look worth it to me. A delay for minor details on some cards. I still don't see why this couldn't be patched - but this generation is so graphics focused the developers would have likely been ostricized.

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#196 Skreltch
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Honestly doesn't look worth it to me. A delay for minor details on some cards. I still don't see why this couldn't be patched - but this generation is so graphics focused the developers would have likely been ostricized.

Kickinurass

did you not read? Its alot more than minor details, the entire game is being lovingly laced with DX11 tesselation and other effects. The entire game on the PC in comparison to the console version is going to be mindblowing and make the console version look like a muddy, blurry, jaggy, generic rippoff of the pc version. We are talking about a HUGE difference, not a small one.

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#197 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="ManicAce"]I think it makes a big difference, looks a lot more alive. I'm actually pondering getting it for PS3 so I can lend it to friends, but were I a lucky nvidia owner this would propably make me lean for the PC version.ferret-gamer
Makes me consider getting a 560 ti

I think the 560ti actually comes with Batman for free at alot of places.

my 570 came with it.
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#198 Kickinurass
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Honestly doesn't look worth it to me. A delay for minor details on some cards. I still don't see why this couldn't be patched - but this generation is so graphics focused the developers would have likely been ostricized.

Skreltch

did you not read? Its alot more than minor details, the entire game is being lovingly laced with DX11 tesselation and other effects. The entire game on the PC in comparison to the console version is going to be mindblowing and make the console version look like a muddy, blurry, jaggy, generic rippoff of the pc version. We are talking about a HUGE difference, not a small one.

Sounds like minor details to me. Major would be adding new modes or gameplay features.

God help me if the AI is as braindead as it was in AA and all the boss fights are pathetically easy. Graphics be damned - tesselation and cloud effects are honestly not worth anything to me.

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#199 millerlight89
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Honestly doesn't look worth it to me. A delay for minor details on some cards. I still don't see why this couldn't be patched - but this generation is so graphics focused the developers would have likely been ostricized.

Kickinurass

did you not read? Its alot more than minor details, the entire game is being lovingly laced with DX11 tesselation and other effects. The entire game on the PC in comparison to the console version is going to be mindblowing and make the console version look like a muddy, blurry, jaggy, generic rippoff of the pc version. We are talking about a HUGE difference, not a small one.

Sounds like minor details to me. Major would be adding new modes or gameplay features.

God help me if the AI is as braindead as it was in AA and all the boss fights are pathetically easy. Graphics be damned - tesselation and cloud effects are honestly not worth anything to me.

You say minor, I say major. I will for sure enjoy it more due to it not being a blurry mess due to poor resolution ala console version.
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#200 Kickinurass
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You say minor, I say major. I will for sure enjoy it more due to it not being a blurry mess due to poor resolution ala console version. millerlight89

Fair enough. I never attempted to force my opinion - all my claims have pretty much ended with something along the lines of "to me". Just voicing my disdain for current trend of focusing on graphics at the expense of other critical areas of the game. I'm sure the game will be great regardless.