Home Defense Thread

honestly, what were you expecting from home? let's list out the issues that most people seem to take up with playstation home.

Advertising - doesn't the xbox 360 get them too? doesn't the nintendo wii have a nintendo channel for gamers which aren't that IT-savvy to keep up with new releases? i don't see how this is a problem. somehow microsoft's deal with netflix is acceptable while sony's deal with red bull and ligne roset isn't? i don't have anything against netflix on xbox 360 though

Virtual Items Cost Real Money - you may argue that netflix is a service thats worth paying for. but just because you don't see the value in virtual clothing, others also don't? its one way for sony to cash in on the second life market (read: MASSIVE), offering another revenue stream for them to continue supporting the ps3 and home. you certainly don't have to pay for netflix if you don't want to, and its exactly the same for virtual items in home

Launch Issues - that's laughable. i would like to know of online services that started out with zero issues. especially on launch date with millions of people pouring in to check the service out. nxe had launch issues, even world of warcraft made by blizzard known for its ONLINE expertise had launch issues

Home is Filled with Rampant Racism, Sexism and Stupidity - care to explain how this is sony's fault? last I checked cows were bashing xbox live for this as well.which is also a ridiculous argument. certainly, it is sony's responsibility to do something, but who's to say they are not doing anything about it now? props to microsoft on its voice censor tech for this one though. on a side note, i see few instances of such abuse in playstation home asia. perhaps, it is something thats unique to playstation home us

Having to wait to Play Shallow Games - perhaps you haven't realised that its precisely because they were shallow that sony didn't expect that so many people would want to play them? given time people would be going to home for OTHER reasons; these games are there as an alternative for people who are waiting for friends to come online, or a ps3 game to be launched from within home etc

Social Networking on a Console is Pointless - as i've said before, you may not see the value, but others do. cows bashed the xbox 360 achievement system because it was 'pointless', and lemmings bashed home because it was 'pointless'. lemmings blasted the playstation trophy system for being a 'rip-off', and later blasted home even though it was a novel idea. there are parallels between home and second life, but second life in itself has qualities already found in existing games, and doesn't revolve around gaming in general, like home does

this is what sony promised playstation home would offer on the official playstation site

"PlayStation®Home is a 3D social gaming community that allows PLAYSTATION®3 users to meet, chat, plan, and launch into games together. You can create your own custom avatar, decorate your personal apartment, play mini-games, shop, watch videos, attend special events, and much more - it's all part of PlayStation®Home."

and it delivers. as a beta, at least. i'm not saying that home is perfect or will ever be, but dismissing it as an utter waste of time and money is IMO either a sign of ignorance or double standards. indeed, the variety of virtual items, games, videos isn't as robust as one might like, very few games can launch from within home, no special events anytime soon, but these are set to change, as playstation home is just a beta in its current form.

however, being free, or even a beta, doesn't exempt a service from criticism. constructive criticism at least. yet unfounded bashing continues. so, cows (and maybe non-cows), instead of coming up with more "home sux" "home is terrible" "home is dumb" "home is pointless" topics and thread, WHY NOT contribute to improving home through suggestions and feedback like BETA users should?

as a beta, playstation home has done a great job. but as beta testers, have you?

OMG. I finally got into the Uncharted Artifact room and that place were filled with racists from all sides lol. If you're in the NA region, try to get into the right side of the door upstairs, the code is 24312. Wish I had a webcam and a youtube account to record all this nonsense, but I'm pretty sure there's already some posted.

You shake my nerves and you rattle my brain
Too much text drives a man insane
You broke my will, oh what a thrill
Goodness gracious great walls of text !

Jerry Lee Tappy

OMG. I finally got into the Uncharted Artifact room and that place were filled with racists from all sides lol. If you're in the NA region, try to get into the right side of the door upstairs, the code is 24312. Wish I had a webcam and a youtube account to record all this nonsense, but I'm pretty sure there's already some posted.

one_on_one

I like it , but I just want more stuff - give me moar !!!

HOME was a good idea that has been executed poorly. It doesn't really serve a purpose on the PS3 other than being a time waster. Something about the NXE is that is completely integrated with the 360, whereas HOME is it's own separate space. There is alot of potential in HOME and it's only in beta, so things will change, but as of now, I don't see myself committing much of any time to HOME. HOME was supposed to bring gamers in and be the focal point of the PSN experience, I don't see how it can remain the focal point when it will be widely ignored by the market they thought would embrace it. Integrate HOME into the XMB, make it part of every game from here on out, and downplay the "social network," part for the moment. HOME can be great, but in it's current state, it's just lackluster.Rodneythepom

Its similar to Far Cry 2. Great concept, bad execution

[QUOTE="Rodneythepom"]HOME was a good idea that has been executed poorly. It doesn't really serve a purpose on the PS3 other than being a time waster. Something about the NXE is that is completely integrated with the 360, whereas HOME is it's own separate space. There is alot of potential in HOME and it's only in beta, so things will change, but as of now, I don't see myself committing much of any time to HOME. HOME was supposed to bring gamers in and be the focal point of the PSN experience, I don't see how it can remain the focal point when it will be widely ignored by the market they thought would embrace it. Integrate HOME into the XMB, make it part of every game from here on out, and downplay the "social network," part for the moment. HOME can be great, but in it's current state, it's just lackluster.krp008

Its similar to Far Cry 2. Great concept, bad execution

Haaaaayyyyy!!!! Take that back...lol. Far Cry 2 is a great game.

HOME was a good idea that has been executed poorly..HOME can be great, but in it's current state, it's just lackluster.Rodneythepom

I don't get this "its still in Beta" line yes the tag says beta and someday it might "officially" launch. you don't get it, but somehow you know it's a bad thing? LOL. maybe you don't, but many others do. also (no longer directed at you), claiming that nxe did much more than home without being tagged as a beta is unfair as both services are clearly offered on massively different scales.But from what I heard that while it is a closed beta alot of the stuff was free. Now that were in the "Open" beta we have to pay for stuff. already argued above, you don't have to pay for stuff if you don't want it. Sounds to me like they're ready to start making money on it. Sounds to me like you have a problem with companies making money. Honestly I think they should kept in closed Beta for alot longer until they were actually ready to be judged on it. care to explain how the transition from a closed to open beta means they are getting ready to be judged on it? as a beta, whether closed or open, they WANT to be judged, thats how they improve the service. As it stands we have to continue to have to wait until they can actually deliver on Home. But that seems to be the theme for the PS3. i take it that you haven't used home and you're already bashing it for not actually delivering. nice one.books83

NEXT!

Sorry, but I think HOME is really unnecessary and obtuse. I can't imagine too many reasons I'd ever use it...and I don't think that was Sony's goal. they sank a ton of money into this project. too bad.Dreams-Visions

I think LBP costumes are a waste of money, I can't imagine too many reasons I'd ever buy it...BUT I can't deny that they are selling well. you don't speak for everyone when you say you won't find any use for it.

Why defend somthing that was a poor concept to begin with.skrat_01

mind telling us why home is a poor concept without using the flawed arguments from above?

You shake my nerves and you rattle my brain
Too much text drives a man insane
You broke my will, oh what a thrill
Goodness gracious great walls of text !

Jerry Lee Tappy

Caseytappy

LMAO! :lol: Oh, that hit the spot!. I didnt read your wall of text TC but will defend home for you in vastly fewer words: It is a free, optional, beta! If you are hating on it, you have too much time on your hands.

lets just hope SONY keeps working hard and improve the overall experience in HOME... so far i wasnt impressed !!!

I'm reading a lot of posts that say that Home had a lot of potential, but I, personally, can't find any. What was Sony trying to create? An online community? It is a pretty ridiculous idea. Let's face it. Even us, here the regulars of SW, even with our useless and never-ending discussions are more of an online community than Home will ever be. Some kind of Second Life clone, where people would do business etc? Bad idea, because SL is much more universal, not limited by the PS3 userbase. Some kind of virtual world, which user could explore? GTAIV already done it. Just that GTAIV did it fun. Some kind of MMO, as WoW, where people could play together+socialize ? It would have been smarter to do a MMO game then, not this. Sorry, but (IMO of course) Home is a poor concept, a copy of a lot of other concepts, but without the minimal of a sense behind it. A poor idea poorly executed. IronBass

Agreed on all accounts.

I've used Home for about a total of 3hrs and I'm still wondering what exactly is the point of Home. A 3D chatroom?

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I'm reading a lot of posts that say that Home had a lot of potential, but I, personally, can't find any. What was Sony trying to create? An online community? It is a pretty ridiculous idea. Let's face it. Even us, here the regulars of SW, even with our useless and never-ending discussions are more of an online community than Home will ever be. Some kind of Second Life clone, where people would do business etc? Bad idea, because SL is much more universal, not limited by the PS3 userbase. Some kind of virtual world, which user could explore? GTAIV already done it. Just that GTAIV did it fun. Some kind of MMO, as WoW, where people could play together+socialize ? It would have been smarter to do a MMO game then, not this. Sorry, but (IMO of course) Home is a poor concept, a copy of a lot of other concepts, but without the minimal of a sense behind it. A poor idea poorly executed. LosDaddie

Agreed on all accounts.

I've used Home for about a total of 3hrs and I'm still wondering what exactly is the point of Home. A 3D chatroom?

I have two major problems with Home.

First: It's been years in development. Calling it a beta at this point doesn't give it a free pass to launch with nearly no useful features. How many games support the ability for a party to launch into?

Second: Sony's idea of social networking seems out of context with what the PS3 is. The 360 does a better job at social networking. It provides a better layout for profile data on the console. Profile pages on Xbox.com provide much more information and have more functionality (messaging, achievements). There is a functional party system. The friends of friends feature gives you a list of potential friends, already vetted by your existing friends.

I just find it odd that even with the slick interface, Sony is still behind the curve.

Then why was this hyped for months as the XBL killer:|FirstDiscovery

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Then why was this hyped for months as the XBL killer:|S3CR3T_SPY2

honestly, what were you expecting from home?

lymb

Oh god, now there's a defence thread. A new low cows. Here's A few of my comments on home

• It is a neutrered second life clone with less functionality
• virtual dancing is not cool, it's incredibly sad
• Virtual walking is not fun
• standing in a virtual line to play flash games is not smart
• Dressing up dolls is not something that boys normally do
• paying money for virtual clothes is laughable
• Almost everyone on there is a hormone infested teenage boy who starts grinding every time they see a female avatar
• Speaking of female avatars they're not actually controlled by real girls (sorry kids!)
• You can already voice and text chat on the XMB. Home makes it more difficult and more obtrusive
• a community of horny kids who own a PS3 is not a good place to "make new friends"or "talk about games and stuff"

Any one of the casual, shovelware loving Wii audience is more of a gamer than the people who defend home

Oh god, now there's a defence thread. A new low cows. Here's A few of my comments on home

• It is a neutrered second life clone with less functionality
• virtual dancing is not cool, it's incredibly sad
• Virtual walking is not fun
• standing in a virtual line to play flash games is not smart
• Dressing up dolls is not something that boys normally do
• paying money for virtual clothes is laughable
• Almost everyone on there is a hormone infested teenage boy who starts grinding every time they see a female avatar
• Speaking of female avatars they're not actually controlled by real girls (sorry kids!)
• You can already voice and text chat on the XMB. Home makes it more difficult and more obtrusive
• a community of horny kids who own a PS3 is not a good place to "make new friends"or "talk about games and stuff"

Any one of the casual, shovelware loving Wii audience is more of a gamer than the people who defend home

MarloStanfield

Oh god, now there's a defence thread. A new low cows. Here's A few of my comments on home

• It is a neutrered second life clone with less functionality
• virtual dancing is not cool, it's incredibly sad
• Virtual walking is not fun
• standing in a virtual line to play flash games is not smart
• Dressing up dolls is not something that boys normally do
• paying money for virtual clothes is laughable
• Almost everyone on there is a hormone infested teenage boy who starts grinding every time they see a female avatar
• Speaking of female avatars they're not actually controlled by real girls (sorry kids!)
• You can already voice and text chat on the XMB. Home makes it more difficult and more obtrusive
• a community of horny kids who own a PS3 is not a good place to "make new friends"or "talk about games and stuff"

Any one of the casual, shovelware loving Wii audience is more of a gamer than the people who defend home

MarloStanfield

I can't argue with a fellow Wire fan. May it rest in piece. Goddamn that was an awesome show with stellar characters.heretrix

Having to wait to Play Shallow Games - perhaps you haven't realised that its precisely because they were shallow that sony didn't expect that so many people would want to play them? given time people would be going to home for OTHER reasons; these games are there as an alternative for people who are waiting for friends to come online, or a ps3 game to be launched from within home etc

lymb

sorry but because of another thread to me Home will always be connected to the song "homies over hoes" from the boondocks surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I'm reading a lot of posts that say that Home had a lot of potential, but I, personally, can't find any. What was Sony trying to create? An online community? It is a pretty ridiculous idea. Let's face it. Even us, here the regulars of SW, even with our useless and never-ending discussions are more of an online community than Home will ever be. Some kind of Second Life clone, where people would do business etc? Bad idea, because SL is much more universal, not limited by the PS3 userbase. Some kind of virtual world, which user could explore? GTAIV already done it. Just that GTAIV did it fun. Some kind of MMO, as WoW, where people could play together+socialize ? It would have been smarter to do a MMO game then, not this. Sorry, but (IMO of course) Home is a poor concept, a copy of a lot of other concepts, but without the minimal of a sense behind it. A poor idea poorly executed. skrat_01

Agreed on all accounts.

I've used Home for about a total of 3hrs and I'm still wondering what exactly is the point of Home. A 3D chatroom?

My thoughts exactly.

I'd much rather meet fellow gamers in the games I have for the PS3. Not in some 3D chatroom.

Meeting them in a game gives me a good idea of their skills at a game. And how they play (good teamwork, good communication, etc) the game(s).

I have two major problems with Home.

First: It's been years in development. Calling it a beta at this point doesn't give it a free pass to launch with nearly no useful features. How many games support the ability for a party to launch into?

I just find it odd that even with the slick interface, Sony is still behind the curve.

VoodooHak

QFT

I think the only reason why Sony is still calling Home a "beta" is to lower expectations.

You shake my nerves and you rattle my brain
Too much text drives a man insane
You broke my will, oh what a thrill
Goodness gracious great walls of text !

Jerry Lee Tappy

Caseytappy

:lol:

HOME was a good idea that has been executed poorly. It doesn't really serve a purpose on the PS3 other than being a time waster. Something about the NXE is that is completely integrated with the 360, whereas HOME is it's own separate space. There is alot of potential in HOME and it's only in beta, so things will change, but as of now, I don't see myself committing much of any time to HOME. HOME was supposed to bring gamers in and be the focal point of the PSN experience, I don't see how it can remain the focal point when it will be widely ignored by the market they thought would embrace it. Integrate HOME into the XMB, make it part of every game from here on out, and downplay the "social network," part for the moment. HOME can be great, but in it's current state, it's just lackluster.Rodneythepom

"PlayStation®Home is a 3D social gaming community that allows PLAYSTATION®3 users to meet, chat, plan, and launch into games together. You can create your own custom avatar, decorate your personal apartment, play mini-games, shop, watch videos, attend special events, and much more - it's all part of PlayStation®Home."

it seems pretty self-explainatory what Home is.. it's a "social network".. it's not intended to be the "focal point of the PSN experience".. the focal point of the PSN experience should be GAMES.. and when you meet new players in the GAMES you like, you can interact with them in the Home space when you're NOT playing games.. and vice versa, if you meet some cool new buddies in Home, you can then join up with them in the online GAMES you share.. even in it's bare-bones beta form, Home is providing this. and much more appealing content and features are sure to come.. for free.. and it's still optional.. i do not see the complaint...

and yea, you might think social networking is a time waster.. others would disagree.. Home is giving PSN a sense of "community".. it's in it's early stages, but they are on the right track.. like it or not, the PS3 is the only home console that's providing a full 3D environment to interact with other PS3 owners within public spaces (with bowling, pool, arcade games, a theater, mall, and etc), private and customizable apartments, and developer sponsored game spaces.. i think it's a great option..

and by the way, ofcourse NXE is completely inegrated with the 360.. it's the friggin dashboard update.. wow they added avatars.. wow they added Netflix.. i guess we should forget for a moment that prior to NXE, lemmings thought that avatars sucked and that video game consoles arent meant for watching movies.. but at it's core, NXE is an update to the 360 dashboard which offers a few cool new features like the 8- person party system.. this is hardly as ambitious as Home in terms of size, scale, and scope.. bottomline: a "dashboard update" =/= a "social network" so i dont understand your comparison..

let's stop acting like it's a "bad thing" that Home is nothing more than a 3D social network meant to kill 20-30 mins at a time inbetween playing your favorite games.. that's exactly what it's intended to be....

Damage control. Home is bland and boring. Don't give me that "it's young" or "It has promise" ...

That's been the Sony motto for how long now? Fact is it was delayed way too long, and then they release this bare, joke of an update...Home is unnecessary and boring end of discussion. People around here shouldn't have been hyping it as the answer to XBL. If this is what free gets us, I'm glad I pay for Live.

Damage control. Home is bland and boring. Don't give me that "it's young" or "It has promise" ...

That's been the Sony motto for how long now? Fact is it was delayed way too long, and then they release this bare, joke of an update...Home is unnecessary and boring end of discussion. People around here shouldn't have been hyping it as the answer to XBL. If this is what free gets us, I'm glad I pay for Live.

Mau-Justice

QFT

Sony yet again shows me why I still gladly pay for XBL every year. :D