How are Nintendo still around?

idk, maybe because... people buy their system and games?

These people who say Nintendo hasn't changed their franchises much, REALLY haven't been playing the more Recent games.

Donkey Kong Country Returns is NOT like Donkey Kong Country, it's more like Rayman Origins.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]*looks at bad sales of Metroid: Other M, Star Fox Command, and F-Zero GBA titles*

You were saying?

nintendoboy16

Edit: "F-Zero: Maximum Velocity went on to sell 334,145 copies in Japan and 273,229 copies in the U.S. as of 2005." Not too shabby for a gba game. Didn't find anything for the sequel, but the first sold enough to warrant another title.

F-Zero on SNES sold a million.

Star Fox 64 is regarded as one of the best selling games of 1997, Star Fox Adventures sold a million, and Assault was considered to be a best-seller on the GameCube. Star Fox 64 3D was one of the top-selling 3DS games of last year in North America, and that was a game that Miyamoto said that if it didn't sell well, he'd kill off the franchise (though Dylan Cuthbert thinks he's bluffing).

Doesn't matter if Other M wasn't developed by Nintendo (despite Yoshio Sakamoto's main involvement with the storyline, which ended up being the most controversial part of that game), that game still messed up a lot of things for the Metroid franchise for both fans and Nintendo, it may as well be like F-Zero (after 64 3D doing well in America, Star Fox's fate is up in the air) and end up as nothing more than reference material.

I took a look at star fox command's sales, but could only find figures for early sales. With that being said they seem positive. "Star Fox Command debuted on the Japanese best seller list as number 14, selling over 20,000 copies on the first day. In the United States, it was the 5th best seller in the first week...Famitsu gave a 32/40, and was cited as an influence for the games large initial sales."

"Doesn't matter if Other M wasn't developed by Nintendo" Um, I thought nintendo developed games was the only reason to buy nintendo hardware. Apparently, you think it's the ip that matters most. Nintendo can farm out all of their games and fans of those series will still buy them?

People comparing Sega with Nintendo in hardware sales terms are clueless, btw.

Master System - aprox. 10 million units sold, most of the sales being European (NES aprox. 60 million)

Genesis/Mega Drive - aprox. 40 million units sold (SNES aprox. 50 million)

Saturn - aprox. 10 million units sold, barely about 2 million in the US (N64 aprox. 33 million)

Dreamcast - aprox. 10 million units sold before being discontinued in the US (GC aprox. 22 million)

Sega was only ever trully competitive to Nintendo in the 16-bit era, in sales terms.

Infact it's strange they managed to stick in the hardware race for so long as they did. (the code name for DC was "katana" as they knew it was their last attempt in the console battle)

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]F zero and star fox were never big sellers and other M was not made by nintendo.

Edit: "F-Zero: Maximum Velocity went on to sell 334,145 copies in Japan and 273,229 copies in the U.S. as of 2005." Not too shabby for a gba game. Didn't find anything for the sequel, but the first sold enough to warrant another title.

MFDOOM1983

F-Zero on SNES sold a million.

Star Fox 64 is regarded as one of the best selling games of 1997, Star Fox Adventures sold a million, and Assault was considered to be a best-seller on the GameCube. Star Fox 64 3D was one of the top-selling 3DS games of last year in North America, and that was a game that Miyamoto said that if it didn't sell well, he'd kill off the franchise (though Dylan Cuthbert thinks he's bluffing).

Doesn't matter if Other M wasn't developed by Nintendo (despite Yoshio Sakamoto's main involvement with the storyline, which ended up being the most controversial part of that game), that game still messed up a lot of things for the Metroid franchise for both fans and Nintendo, it may as well be like F-Zero (after 64 3D doing well in America, Star Fox's fate is up in the air) and end up as nothing more than reference material.

I took a look at star fox command's sales, but could only find figures for early sales. With that being said they seem positive. "Star Fox Command debuted on the Japanese best seller list as number 14, selling over 20,000 copies on the first day. In the United States, it was the 5th best seller in the first week...Famitsu gave a 32/40, and was cited as an influence for the games large initial sales."

"Doesn't matter if Other M wasn't developed by Nintendo" Um, I thought nintendo developed games was the only reason to buy nintendo hardware. Apparently, you think it's the ip that matters most. Nintendo can farm out all of their games and fans of those series will still buy them?

F-Zero's sales faced a massive decline, even Sean Malstrom (as much as I hate to admit it) sees no hope for that franchise.

Wasn't it also said that people buy Nintendo consoles for NINTENDO IP's? Which is what Metroid is? Yeah...

Kidsthemajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Kidsg0ddyX

Why is nostalgia seen as a bad thing, tho?

I'm of the opinion that old games > new games.

Sue me... :P

I love a good Nintendo game as much as the next man, heck my 2 favorite games of all time are mario 64 and Zelda OOT but it just seems that Nintendo games are not moving forward at all, sure they stil make some decent titles but for the most part they're completely unchanged from the games that they made 20 years ago.

Sega had a much better track record and they ended up going the software way and yet Nintendo are still around?

I don't get it.... :(

mrfrosty151986

They have a great legacy, iconic IPs, and most people have to admit that their games are fun to play. That's why they are still around - it is fun to play Mario, Metroid, and Zelda games.

LOl good track record? they never out sold a single nintendo platform! they never were the leader , the snes ended up out selling megadrive/genesis dispite a head start

and 32x and cd and saturn must have went under your nose , , those systems were selling so bad that the saturn actually had been tooken off many retailer stores ,

the sega cd and 32 x were obviously commercial failures cause they were shortly discontinued ,

and put in the 20 dollar bin and gamegear obviously failed against gb , so what good track record is that? they may have had some good games ,but they did not have enough variety , they failed worst then n64 to get third party support , they failed miserably to market the dc ,and it comes down to profitability

nintendo is around because they were able to make profit dispite gc only selling 26m , they made as much profit as sony did with its ps2 ,

it also had gameboy , to fall back on , sega had nothing to fall back on ,

Well nobody can deny that Sega > nintendo. Still, nintendo consoles right now are not to be taken seriously. Hell the wii was never considered next gen. and it was only a good secondary console with game cube graphics.

By far right now nintendo is the worst company and nobody can deny that, sure microsoft and Sony hardly makes any mistakes here, and there nobody is perfect, but nintendo does everything wrong.

Although there consoles have been up or down compared to the competition, their handhelds have always been crazy popular. Its those little buggers that are making Ninty the most bank and for good reason.

Both combined with very little down the hole and you tend to stay around a while.

Gamewise is pretty subjective. I think they are doing great with them. Its actually amazing how much experimentation they are doing with their franchises in general. The only one imo that has stayed the same is the NSMB series, while the others have had large shifts in the interaction and gameplay in general.

You would be hard pressed to see any changes in several series that have come out recently imo. Even if the franchises are old, that doesn't mean you can't bring in new things for them.

Kids and penny pinchers.

Kids and penny pinchers.

Renegade_Fury

Reading SW, it makes me think there's more kids here...

Or kids as a state of mind...

Well nobody can deny that Sega > nintendo. Still, nintendo consoles right now are not to be taken seriously. Hell the wii was never considered next gen. and it was only a good secondary console with game cube graphics.

By far right now nintendo is the worst company and nobody can deny that, sure microsoft and Sony hardly makes any mistakes here, and there nobody is perfect, but nintendo does everything wrong.

ratchet_usa

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

Kids and penny pinchers.

nameless12345

Reading SW, it makes me think there's more kids here...

Or kids as a state of mind...

Your point? We play video games. There's nothing grown up about this hobby.

The Wii alone earned them massive profits. Didn't it sell like 80 million? And that's just the hardware. Not counting all of their first party games (both physical and on wiiWare/ VC) or the DS and all of its amazing games. They did great this gen thanks to their new ideas (or gimmicks if you prefer.) Really, both Wii and DS, despite not being the most powerful in either system category, had new ideas that made the games on them unique, especially DS. The Dual Screen system paved the way for some truly innovative and impressive titles from both third party games (Knights in the Nightmare, Okamiden) and their first party. (Games like Spirit Tracks and Mass Attack would not have been possible on other systems since they utilize the hardware so much.) Hope that answers the question.

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Well nobody can deny that Sega > nintendo. Still, nintendo consoles right now are not to be taken seriously. Hell the wii was never considered next gen. and it was only a good secondary console with game cube graphics.

By far right now nintendo is the worst company and nobody can deny that, sure microsoft and Sony hardly makes any mistakes here, and there nobody is perfect, but nintendo does everything wrong.

locopatho

In dissapoinment or lack of original IPs? then yeah nintendo is number one. :D hell even Sega being third party created Yakuza which is a much more marute, and original game than anything nintendo has created in the last 2 gens. :lol:

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ratchet_usa"]

Well nobody can deny that Sega > nintendo. Still, nintendo consoles right now are not to be taken seriously. Hell the wii was never considered next gen. and it was only a good secondary console with game cube graphics.

By far right now nintendo is the worst company and nobody can deny that, sure microsoft and Sony hardly makes any mistakes here, and there nobody is perfect, but nintendo does everything wrong.

ratchet_usa

In dissapoinment or lack of original IPs? then yeah nintendo is number one. :D hell even Sega being third party created Yakuza which is a much more marute, and original game than anything nintendo has created in the last 2 gens. :lol:

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

Kids and penny pinchers.

Renegade_Fury

Reading SW, it makes me think there's more kids here...

Or kids as a state of mind...

Your point? We play video games. There's nothing grown up about this hobby.

I thought games were for "teh matchure and seriouz" people only... :P

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Reading SW, it makes me think there's more kids here...

Or kids as a state of mind...

nameless12345

Your point? We play video games. There's nothing grown up about this hobby.

I thought games were for "teh matchure and seriouz" people only... :P

Maybe according to those that think story and set pieces are > gameplay, and the people that consider "e-sports" as actual sports. :lol:

Ok, I'll stop before I start a separate **** storm. :P

I don't get how ANYONE can buy a brand new system, put in Super Mario Bros. U, and be satisfied that this is a "next gen" experience.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I don't get how ANYONE can buy a brand new system, put in Super Mario Bros. U, and be satisfied that this is a "next gen" experience.Shinobishyguy

There's nothing grown up about this hobby.Renegade_Fury

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I don't get how ANYONE can buy a brand new system, put in Super Mario Bros. U, and be satisfied that this is a "next gen" experience.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I don't get how ANYONE can buy a brand new system, put in Super Mario Bros. U, and be satisfied that this is a "next gen" experience.Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I don't get how ANYONE can buy a brand new system, put in Super Mario Bros. U, and be satisfied that this is a "next gen" experience.locopatho

In quality games and systems. Sega had the Megadrive which was awesome, everything else they did was a big bag of missed targets, wasted potentail, failures. locopatho

The Saturn was a great console, and a much better console than the N64, if you like the genres it offers (2D action/platformers, RPGs, SHMUPS, Fighting games, beat em ups, etc.). The only reason why people percieve it as a failure is because it failed comercially here in the west. Big time. The gems it got over time skyrocketed the system above any other 5th generation system worth owning today because of the massive library that is, not only still exclusive, but gracefully aged due to the focus on 2D gameplay.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] NSMBU > anything sony has put out this yearShinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]There's nothing grown up about this hobby.Zeviander

lol, that's a nice dream and all, but I prefer my view, and have never had a problem putting games on the same level as toys. Personally, I really couldn't care less about the medium getting more artistic and gritty when the games that do push for those types of experiences now I find to be absolute rubbish. Keep that stuff niche, because it'll be a sad day if critiquing video games on an artistic level becomes prominent.

Well nobody can deny that Sega > nintendo. ratchet_usa

[QUOTE="locopatho"]In quality games and systems. Sega had the Megadrive which was awesome, everything else they did was a big bag of missed targets, wasted potentail, failures. Lucianu

The Saturn was a great console, and a much better console than the N64, if you like the genres it offers (2D action/platformers, RPGs, SHMUPS, Fighting games, beat em ups, etc.). The only reason why people percieve it as a failure is because it failed comercially here in the west. Big time. The gems it got over time skyrocketed the system above any other 5th generation system worth owning today because of the massive library that is, not only still exclusive, but gracefully aged due to the focus on 2D gameplay.

I love a good Nintendo game as much as the next man, heck my 2 favorite games of all time are mario 64 and Zelda OOT but it just seems that Nintendo games are not moving forward at all, sure they stil make some decent titles but for the most part they're completely unchanged from the games that they made 20 years ago.

Sega had a much better track record and they ended up going the software way and yet Nintendo are still around?

I don't get it.... :(

mrfrosty151986

Aren't most of sega's frachises weaker then ninty's franchises in appeal besides total war shogun, sonic and football manger.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]In quality games and systems. Sega had the Megadrive which was awesome, everything else they did was a big bag of missed targets, wasted potentail, failures. locopatho

The Saturn was a great console, and a much better console than the N64, if you like the genres it offers (2D action/platformers, RPGs, SHMUPS, Fighting games, beat em ups, etc.). The only reason why people percieve it as a failure is because it failed comercially here in the west. Big time. The gems it got over time skyrocketed the system above any other 5th generation system worth owning today because of the massive library that is, not only still exclusive, but gracefully aged due to the focus on 2D gameplay.

Those aswell, but just gems in general that have so much quality and passion poured into them. I've picked up this system recently after a year of heavy research.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Yeah but that's a very small set of games and even so arguably Journey is better. Not to mention tons of random multiplat, 360/PC/and even Wii exclusive Xenoblade (if you count that as this year) did better surely?locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Even still it's still the best 2d mario since Yoshi's IslandShinobishyguy

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Well nobody can deny that Sega > nintendo. HarlockJC

It isn't all that hard to believe when you don't hide only behind others' opinions. In the long scheme of things, I like their games and the games offered on their platforms more than Nintendo's. Even when only looking at this gen, I think Sonic Generations has far more replayablitly because of it's arcade like design than any of the Galaxy games, and I love those too.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Looks like great fun but his point was it's not exactly WOW NEXT GEN material. Which I think is pretty fair.Bread_or_Decide

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]In quality games and systems. Sega had the Megadrive which was awesome, everything else they did was a big bag of missed targets, wasted potentail, failures. locopatho

The Saturn was a great console, and a much better console than the N64, if you like the genres it offers (2D action/platformers, RPGs, SHMUPS, Fighting games, beat em ups, etc.). The only reason why people percieve it as a failure is because it failed comercially here in the west. Big time. The gems it got over time skyrocketed the system above any other 5th generation system worth owning today because of the massive library that is, not only still exclusive, but gracefully aged due to the focus on 2D gameplay.

Dragon force

Shining force 3

Shining the holy arc

Panzer dragon saga

Burning rangers

Deep fear

Grandia

Guardian Heroes

Gungriffon

House of the Dead

Last bronx

Are my favorites and most of them have aged really well.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

The Saturn was a great console, and a much better console than the N64, if you like the genres it offers (2D action/platformers, RPGs, SHMUPS, Fighting games, beat em ups, etc.). The only reason why people percieve it as a failure is because it failed comercially here in the west. Big time. The gems it got over time skyrocketed the system above any other 5th generation system worth owning today because of the massive library that is, not only still exclusive, but gracefully aged due to the focus on 2D gameplay.

Lucianu

Those aswell, but just gems in general that have so much quality and passion poured into them. I've picked up this system recently after a year of heavy research.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Even still it's still the best 2d mario since Yoshi's IslandShinobishyguy

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Looks like great fun but his point was it's not exactly WOW NEXT GEN material. Which I think is pretty fair.locopatho

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="ratchet_usa"]

Well nobody can deny that Sega > nintendo. Renegade_Fury

It isn't all that hard to believe when you don't hide only behind others' opinions. In the long scheme of things, I like their games and the games offered on their platforms more than Nintendo's. Even when only looking at this gen, I think Sonic Generations has far more replayablitly because of it's arcade like design than any of the Galaxy games, and I love those too.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Not on a technical level maybe. It's not a huge showcase like Galaxy was for the wii, but the platforming is tight, the level design is clever, and it has alot of replayabilityBread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Not on a technical level maybe. It's not a huge showcase like Galaxy was for the wii, but the platforming is tight, the level design is clever, and it has alot of replayabilityBread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Yeah but good game is a different thing to OMG NEXT GEN IS HERE. Look at the Mario games that launched on NES, SNES and N64. THOSE were the kind of games he be talking about I think.Shinobishyguy