How can a $299.99 NX compete with a $299.99 PS4?

It seems reasonable to assume that by the time the NX is released so will the PS Neo.

If the PS Neo is launched at a $399.99 price point its also safe to assume that Sony will drop the price of the current PS4 to at least $299.99. The PS4 already has an established library of games where as the NX would be starting from scratch. There are also rumors floating around that the NX won't even be as powerful as the current PS4. My question is how is a $299.99 NX going to compete against a $299.99 PS4 that already has an established library of games and guaranteed third party support going forward? Nintendo seems to be doubling down on their own 1st party output with the NX, but is that really going to be good enough, especially if both consoles retail for the same price? Wouldn't the NX have to be even cheaper for it to gain any kind of momentum?

Could even a $249.99 Nintendo only box compete with a $299.99 PS4? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what Nintendo's strategy could be to make the NX actually semi successful with so much competition out there.

Nothing can compete with the PS4. The only hope is to be a complimentary product which is why exclusives are so important.

But will people see enough value in a $299.99 Nintendo only box? Wouldn't the NX need to be even cheaper than that?

The Wiiu has no value for me now, so i have no clue about the NX,

NX is a state of mind. A new set of realm of gaming.

It can't

Console-handheld hybrid is how. Your not going to be able to play next Ace Attorney or Professor Layton or Pokemon on your PS4 but if can play it on your TV or on the go then even better. Nintendo would also be poised for avalanche of support given Sony is leaving handheld market. It will have an entirely separate catalog of games to offer, unlike Sony MS battling to control a very similar market. They're creating a safe space for themselves in the market.

yeah, nintendo is really in a tight spot..

i just hope they have the 3rd party support because if not they're f***ed.

Who knows what Nintendo has up its sleeve?

If its got a lot of nintendo games some nice sweet marketing hype.

I still remember the wii came out sony was like "who can compete with the ps3 were 600 dollars we got the cell and we got the 4d graphics and blu-ray?

Yeah sony lost that gen check the tapes.sony was cocky and niny racked up 25 billion dollars that generation sony was bleeding all over the place.

It can't. Nintendo-only boxes never sell well except the Wii because grandmas bought it.

na dude new super mario bro wii sold 30 million copies and it was bundled with the wii that's a lot of core gamers buying a game not a grandma the grandma's only got wii sports.

NSMB benefited from the install base. Wii Sports was the system seller though. Games like Zelda and Metroid didn't see any sort of bump in sales compared to past entries and Mario Galaxy sold around 10 million which was what Mario 64 sold with a fraction of the install base that the Wii had. I definitely wouldn't call NSMB a hardcore game either.

Xbox One is going to be at $249 by the time the NX is released.

yah but nx could be a new way to game.

the PS4 is basically just a beefier xbox 360. The NX could change we game forever :| nintendo is like the disney of gaming like the NX could there frozen movie thats a big hit or something with kids.

I dont think it can unless it a ton of killer apps available at launch and support of all 3rd party.

Many factors come into play. I think Nintendo first party games are better than Sony's first party games, so that's a start. But the NX will need to be more or as powerful as the other consoles, so third party games will be supported. I remember various developers skipped the current Nintendo because it wasn't powerful enough and they didn't want to create downgraded versions of games. Next, the NX needs to support entertainment format, so that's blu-ray and DVDs. I think it's important for the NX to be more than just a gaming console for the asking price. I also think what kind of controller they will feature is important too. They already tried having a different controller twice in a row now but it slowly lost the appeal. Having steady online and online services would be nice too. But overall the games will speak for themselves.

I would rather they just make a basic console with plenty of power and no gimmicks instead of trying to reinvent the wheel again. Gamecube didn't sell well but I found it to be the best all around console from Nintendo post-SNES.

Nintendo runs on brand power and their strong first party games. For better or worse.

As long as they don't overprice the device and keep the games coming, they'll do well enough to remain afloat. Yes, the goal will always be to achieve another Wii in terms of sales but the Wii was something of a crazy fluke.

It might just be me, but it seems like Kimishima is driving the company in the right direction: get games out there as fast as humanly possible without skimping on quality. I expect Nintendo's second party studios to be put into high gear come 2017, if they aren't already cooking up stuff in the background.

@emgesp:

For $299 and if NX's handheld device has Shield TV's X1 level power with FinFET reducing it's power consumption to handheld device level then it's handheld mobile form factor has some value.

Shield TV's 1 TFLOPS 16 bit FP mode enables it to exceed MS Surface 4 Pro tablet with compromised rendering quality.

For comparison, R9-M370X (10 CU, 800Mhz, 1 TFLOPS) scored 188,000 points.

With Shield TV's level power inside a handheld device

For 16 bit FP workload, it's ~4X over Wii U.

For 32 bit FP workload, it's ~2X over Wii U.

FinFET Shield TV level SoC could operate in two power modes i.e. wall socket mode (Shield TV power consumption) and handheld mode (improved Shield Tablet).

NX can't compete against XBO/PS4/NEO in raw power, but it's mobility form factor adds a different value e.g. same arguments for tablet hybrids against desktop PCs.

Wii U's handheld device didn't deliver real mobility and NX can fix this issue.

Ace Attorney/Professor Layton aren't exactly system sellers.

Also, Nintendo has already stated on numerous occasions that the NX isn't a hybrid console. There will be multiple form factors all sharing the same OS/Ecosystem just like Apple products.

Will Soccer Moms and Grandmas buy the NX? That is what made the difference during the 7th generation.

By producing supweriir games which Nintendo inherently do.

Good guys. 10/10

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Gamecube had a great library of 1st party games and that console only managed to sell 20 million units even with a price drop down to $99. I think its reasonable to assume that without an enticing gimmick the NX will flop.

The NX will compete by having different exclusives. This will be enough for Nintendo to grow on. They will also increase their ease of access.

If being a wannabe Bernie Stolar is pulling the "right" moves, I'd hate to know what the wrong moves are.

See Gamecube/Wii U. It didn't help those consoles, so why would it be different with the NX?

When will Nintendo release an all new console and not just another DS with a gimmicky 3D screen?

@emgesp: Cause itll be different exclusives.

Nintendo's consistent attempts to innovative are admirable; it's great seeing old people almost dead playing the Wii in their care homes - Nintendo brings joy.

Like rats Sony and Microsoft cynically attempted to copy-paste, utterly pathetic.

That's when I say they need a new IP on the level of Minecraft to be successful in the home console market again. They need that one game that is gonna get gamers from all over interested. Only then will the NX Home Console achieve true success. As I said before, its easier said than done. It is possible, but I almost feel Nintendo doesn't have a big hit left in them.

Well, Nintendo doesn't have Wii level success anymore, so the past is irrelevant. Wii U was a huge flop, 3DS won't even sell 50% of DS sales and the NX is shaping up to be another disappointment in terms of both hardware and third party support.

@emgesp: I think theyll do just fine. Theyll continue like always and make awesome fun games.

Do you consider another console only managing to sell 15 million units doing fine?

@emgesp: As long as the software sales are nice, yes, i see it as doing good.

It obviously isn't good given the fact that Nintendo was forced to come out with a newer console sooner than usual.

Software sales are not gonna increase if the install base stays the same going forward. They kinda go hand in hand you know.

Nintendo significantly better than Sony? How so? Nintendo's been getting their ass kicked in the home console market ever since the PS1 was launched, with the Wii being the one exception, so they are obviously not objectively better than Sony.

As a consumer the primary concern is quality, in this most prestigious regard, Nintendo's dominatrix with Sony crawling hands and feet with dog collar - highly degrading.

The PS4 to Wii U sales gap says differently. While Wii won the 7th generation it wasn't nearly as dominant as the PS4 is compared to the Wii U. Not to mention the fact that the Wii U released a full year before the PS4.

Nintendo might be able to move consoles if it makes every game free to play. That's all I got..

Nintendo should sell their consoles for super cheap and just make that money back with some kind of Nintendo annual service. $99.99 console with a $60 - $70 yearly subscription. Perhaps you have to subscribe for 2 - 3 yrs minimum to get the console at a discount. Would probably be a smart move on their part.

No one can compete with Sony in their current state. They are just destroying the competition at this point. Not even a $299 NX can stop them.

So far only 50 million consoles sold this gen out of possible 200 mil. They can still steal some of Sonys thunder but their lineup needs to be ram packed.

A $1000 Xbox2 sold at $399...

With EA and Activision building new engines EXCLUSIVLY for the new MS box and simply slamming last gen ports to the PS neo things will turn against sony...

If average dudebro sniffs out that Xbox is the only platform to gets his NEXT GEN fix it will be all over

@emgesp: The Wii U failed because it was too far ahead of time; Marty Mcfly played an electric guitar and all the people from the 1950's didn't understand.