How can anyone honestly enjoy the new Final Fantasy games now?

I have been playing Chrono Trigger on my DS again (one of my top 10 favorite games of all time) and it reminded me of how great Square used to be. I looked at FF13 and I just don't see it, I don't see how that game got such high reviews and so much praise from people.

It boggles my mind! Now I know it's all just a matter of opinion, but as a big RPG fan, and a former die hard FF fan, I simply don't see how anyone could say that Final Fantasy is just as good today as it was back then.

This is probably the most disappointing aspect for me this gen, no more good Final Fantasy games. People can deny it, but it started with Final Fantasy 13, I feel this killed the game series, and I honestly believe if FF13 had a different name slapped on it, and had a different publisher/dev slapped on it, it wouldn't have scored so high.

Pretty sure you are on the wrong forum buddy.

Pretty sure you are on the wrong forum buddy.

Blue_Nishin

No it's SW. It's where we yell out about our different opinions on games.

People give 12 a lot of crap but I thought it was fantastic.

JRPG's suck.

People give 12 a lot of crap but I thought it was fantastic.

BigDaddyPOLO

I thought it was good, I like the world of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. But I felt it was lacking a bit and I wasn't a fan of the costume desgins, it did have an interesting art direction though, it felt like a sci-fi middle eastern world to me, with the desert and the way some of the buildings were shaped.

Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2 have my favorite battle systems, graphics are great, very polished, i love the music and artystyle, plenty of content.

FFXIII is such a polarizing game for fans because it made strides forward as well as stumble backwards in nearly all aspect of the game, my feeling is that overall there's more negatives than positives.

JRPG's suck.

JohnnyCageMK

no you.

I haven't played a FF game since FFX, strange considering that is one of my favorite 6th gen games.

Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2 have my favorite battle systems, graphics are great, very polished, i love the music and artystyle, plenty of content.

crimsonman1245

I honestly don't know.

FFXIII had a good battle system, though very limited and underdeveloped. The only other positive aspect was the production values, but that's nothing new. FF games always had great production values, but those were just the icing on top of already great games. The new stuff is just a hollow shell with nice visuals.

Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2 have my favorite battle systems, graphics are great, very polished, i love the music and artystyle, plenty of content.

crimsonman1245

The battle system is terrible and has taken away control from the player making it unbearable to play.

People give 12 a lot of crap but I thought it was fantastic.

BigDaddyPOLO

12 was heavily flawed, but it was still great. The game had a lot of meat to it. Pacing was the biggest issue, but that was mainly due to having just so much damn content.

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People give 12 a lot of crap but I thought it was fantastic.

ConanTheStoner

12 was heavily flawed, but it was still great. The game had a lot of meat to it. Pacing was the biggest issue, but that was mainly due to having just so much damn content.

12 was my favorite..love that game

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Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2 have my favorite battle systems, graphics are great, very polished, i love the music and artystyle, plenty of content.

Liquid_

The battle system is terrible and has taken away control from the player making it unbearable to play.

Just a lack of direction is all. They aren't bad though. I personally enjoyed Revenant Wings on the DS.

I haven't played a FF game since FFX, strange considering that is one of my favorite 6th gen games.

BPoole96

I honestly don't know.

FFXIII had a good battle system, though very limited and underdeveloped. The only other positive aspect was the production values, but that's nothing new. FF games always had great production values, but those were just the icing on top of already great games. The new stuff is just a hollow shell with nice visuals.

ConanTheStoner

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I haven't played a FF game since FFX, strange considering that is one of my favorite 6th gen games.

tagyhag

2nd this, 12 was outstanding.

A lot of people hated it at first, but only because it was so different.

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

I honestly don't know.

FFXIII had a good battle system, though very limited and underdeveloped. The only other positive aspect was the production values, but that's nothing new. FF games always had great production values, but those were just the icing on top of already great games. The new stuff is just a hollow shell with nice visuals.

lightleggy

Barking up the wrong tree man. I don't care lol. In relation to the rest of the series it can be considered good. I never said anything about it being tactical, or any of that other nonsense.

It was a system that had potential, but was ultimately squandered. It just happened to be the brightest part of an otherwise disastrous game.

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

I honestly don't know.

FFXIII had a good battle system, though very limited and underdeveloped. The only other positive aspect was the production values, but that's nothing new. FF games always had great production values, but those were just the icing on top of already great games. The new stuff is just a hollow shell with nice visuals.

lightleggy

The battle system in FF XIII reminds me of the one in Xenobalde. In fact, both battle systems seem to share common elements. Which kinda raises the question as to why XIII's battle system was blasted while Xenoblade's battle system was praised. I know Xenoblade improved certain aspects of the system, but XIII did not have a horrible combat system.

I can understand how it's polarizing for fans who have played other games in the series, but was not a horrible system. I've played RPGs with far worse combat systems.

I like the battle system for the new ones, but not as much as FF 7-10. I love those because fights seem more epic with summons, huge spells, etc. In the new ones, it just doesn't feel that way.

But, if the characters and story were better in the latest games, they would be 9+ in my book.

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[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2 have my favorite battle systems, graphics are great, very polished, i love the music and artystyle, plenty of content.

Capitan_Kid

The battle system is terrible and has taken away control from the player making it unbearable to play.

I found the combat for 13 and 13-2 very enjoyable and fast paced. I like some of the people who hate it go with the "press x and you win" argument for it sucking but you have beend doing that for years in ff games. I will admit it dosint match at least story wise to some of the older ones but its still a enjoyable romp.

I found the combat for 13 and 13-2 very enjoyable and fast paced. I like some of the people who hate it go with the "press x and you win" argument for it sucking but you have beend doing that for years in ff games. I will admit it dosint match at least story wise to some of the older ones but its still a enjoyable romp.

finalfantasy94

I pretty much despise FFXIII, but "press x to win" is a dumb argument and it actually applies to the older games more-so than it does with XIII.

Final Fantasy Type-0 looks pretty amazing, through sucks it hasn't come overseas.

Final Fantasy Type-0 looks pretty amazing, through sucks it hasn't come overseas.

Wanderer5

im mad it didint come over. I played the jpn demo and I could tell I would have a blast with it.

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Final Fantasy Type-0 looks pretty amazing, through sucks it hasn't come overseas.

finalfantasy94

im mad it didint come over. I played the jpn demo and I could tell I would have a blast with it.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

Final Fantasy Type-0 looks pretty amazing, through sucks it hasn't come overseas.

finalfantasy94

im mad it didint come over. I played the jpn demo and I could tell I would have a blast with it.

Same here! Played the demo over and over, that game would have been so good. :(

In response to the topic, people still enjoy they games because they're pretty fun games. But some of the fans are too hung up on the fact that they're so different from the previous entries to notice. I actually liked 12 and 13 once I stopped hoping that they'd be more like the earlier games and realized that every installment of the FF series is supposed to be different in some way.

it started with 13? no mate u are wrong , it started with 11, all went downhill after that, for some it started at 10 too.for me at 11, 11-12-13-14 and their crappy second versions arent ff for me. lost odyssey is final fantasy ,now i wait for a new one

I didn't hate either FFXII and FFXIII, and felt both games had their merits.Both games aren't as good as past titles IMO though.

FFXII had a big world and I loved doing the monster hunts. The main quest was pretty meh, and some aspects of the battle system were flawed. The summons were useless, and I found that the quickenings were worthless later in the game and pretty much drained MP that could be used for healing and such against the bosses with absurd amounts of HP.

FFXIII had a great battle system, great music and great production values. but it's atrocious pacing, and the lacking and disappointing side-content really hurt the gameplay and replayability overall.

Square Enix cannot into RPGs anymore. JRPGs are a dying genre, WRPGs are taking over, and it's healthy for the industry. Last gen you had gems like FFX and FFXI. This gen you have turds like FFXIV (yes it's being redone but let's not kid ourselves: it will still be crap) and FFXIII-2.

They're far better as publishers. Some of the best PC ports this gen have been under their watch.

it started with 13? no mate u are wrong , it started with 11, all went downhill after that, for some it started at 10 too.for me at 11, 11-12-13-14 and their crappy second versions arent ff for me. lost odyssey is final fantasy ,now i wait for a new one

skanjos

I haven't played a FF game since FFX, strange considering that is one of my favorite 6th gen games.

BPoole96

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I haven't played a FF game since FFX, strange considering that is one of my favorite 6th gen games.

savagetwinkie

I felt that way for the first few hours of XII, but once I got into the game it became the most demanding battle system in the series. Sure you could mow down typical mobs with no thought, but that applies to every FF. The difference though, is that FFXII offers up more hunts and hidden bosses than the rest of the games in the series by far. Very few of them can be beat without a lot of manual input and strategy.

People give 12 a lot of crap but I thought it was fantastic.

BigDaddyPOLO

Towns in JRPGs are rarely more than, save points, places to buy stuff and cutscene factories so I didn't mind their removal in XIII and being replaced with little kiosks where you can do the only functional things they offer. I thought the battle system was really good. I don't have an issue with auto battle. You can dig through menus to do a fire area of effect on a group of enemies you know are weak against fire or your squad can just do it because, duh, it makes sense to do. I don't get the big issue. You could pick and choose your attacks if you wanted to, but that wasn't the point of the battle engine. You're not a player, you're a coach. Your job was to put everyone in the proper position and give them the right strategy to win. I thought that was a lot of fun, although just live every JRPG, it's only fun when the battles are tough and force you to keep adapting on the fly. Every JRPG's combat sucks and is "press x to win" when you're in easy battles and all you have to do is a regular attack or the same old pattern of magic to win. The difference in FFXIII to me is that the battle will last less than ten seconds rather than you have to dig through menus for a minute to do the same old s**t.

Now FFXIII-2... I thought that one was lackluster. You only had two real characters to play as, which eliminated a lot of the advanced paradigms you could get into as well as a being a cheap and lazy way of avoiding having to flesh out and develop a real RPG's amount of characters. On top of that, a battle system that's only fun when battles are difficult was combined with a total lack of difficult battles until you beat the game and start to get paradox endings... and most of those are only difficult because the already gimped party system is even more gimpified and you only have control of one character, reducing your options even further. The towns are all crappy and nothing but places where you run back and forth to get cutscenes, they completely got rid of the weapon and accessory upgrade system, and yay, there's fricking maze-like level design where you get stuck in constant random battles that you can't avoid and waste 30-min to an hour trying to exit from and the only joy you get from completing it is a feeling of, "thank god that the game will finally let me go back to enjoying the game now."

Cause the battle system blows the past systems outta the water?

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Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2 have my favorite battle systems, graphics are great, very polished, i love the music and artystyle, plenty of content.

Capitan_Kid

I haven't enjoyed a Final fantasy game since X-2 couldn't even finish XII it was that bad.

you're are late but welcome to the party! FF13 suck some major arse! But even the crappiest of bands has their fans and the same with games. Some people really have awful taste for games just like that. Some people even try to say that the game had a good story... Really, it's incredible to what lengths some people go to prove that the crap game they like is actually good.

FF13 a good story.... :lol:

And that battle system is the worst of the worst. People think they are so smart while playing it because OMG they are changing paradigms. But there is no strategy in spamming. All you do in FF13 are brain-dead strategies, always the same thing over and over again. You sabotage, you heal, you attack; that's all. On the old games you had to take into account your speed, enemy weakness, how powerful your characters were with either with magic or attack power. There were enemies vulnerable only to magic or normal attacks. You had armor that could absorb certain elements or weapons that dealt certain kind of damage with an element and that gave you another edge on strategy.... The old games are so much more superior to FF13 is not even debatable.

Cause the battle system blows the past systems outta the water?

el3m2tigre

The game has gotten progressively worse since FF9.

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Cause the battle system blows the past systems outta the water?

superclocked

The battle system is what sparked my interest in Final Fantasy.