how can consoles come from 60 frames 8 bit awesomeness to 30 frames poorness

How could consoles progress so further in getting graphics to losing their speed that actually helps the gameplay instead they brought all those colours. 30 Frames in this generation is the standard no doubt and it gets even lower sometimes. First in the end of the last generation i actually realized what lags mean and frames. In the 8 bit time every game went on 60 frames constantly except for pal i got only 50 + up and down black lines and a big instruction manual in all languages :( however there was no lag not like nowdays and also no tearing. I never thought about all those things until they appeared in my games. I cant stand consoles 30 frames anymore, its also not healthy to see 30 frames all day. Once i played on PC i didnt want to experience anything else again than 60 and over. Consoles developer should cancel all this HD uselessness and bring games just in standard definition with 60 frames again or they should write how many frames the games run on the box.

That's what you get for having so much stuff on screen.

i've debated this before but -

not all games benefit from 60 FPS believe it or not.

infact, some look better overall when locked at 30.

Same way the graphics aren't 8 bit anymore.SaltyMeatballs

Yea...but the difference is higher than 8 bit is better...less than 60 is worse

8-bit games were definitely not 60fps. They almost all targeted 30fps (since 60fps interlaced is stupid). They also didn't properly handle variable framerate, game time would slow down.

The Dreamcast, PS2, and Xbox were the 60 fps era. I actually liked 60 rather than 30fps. I don't know, for me, the games just look better at a higher frame rate. Few games now adays are 60. :(

I want to see my GT5 replays in 60fps :(

Most 8 bit games were not 60fps, alot may not have even held 30fps. Framerate really wasn't as much of an issue back then.

Alot of PS2/Xbox games weren't 60fps either. I think some people are mistaking fps for game speed.

Since when were 8bit games 60fps? lol even starfox for the SNES was 15fps.

I dont think any 8bit or 16bit games ran at 60fps...

8-bit games were definitely not 60fps. They almost all targeted 30fps (since 60fps interlaced is stupid). They also didn't properly handle variable framerate, game time would slow down.

Teufelhuhn

youre wrong like i said in pal regions were most games slower it wouldnt be the case if all the games would run on 30 frames

Lol. Are we seriously comparing 8 bit games to what we are playing today? Oh, I forgot, they are EXACTLY alike. Silly me.

I love how the NES handled HDR and all those other graphical effects that we use now..

Lol. Are we seriously comparing 8 bit games to what we are playing today? Oh, I forgot, they are EXACTLY alike. Silly me.

I love how the NES handled HDR and all those other graphical effects that we use now..

heretrix

NES is maybe old but brought in every game the same smoothness without tearing in most of the games

The FPS doesn't bother me like the tearing does.

i never understood why 60 fps is important. I was playing vindictus ( a new free mmo) at around 25 fps, not even 30 and I find it run smooth enough for me to enjoy it.

Take Uncharted 2 and a PS3 back to 1985 and see which is considered awesome... Our market today is oversaturated with games but back then it was a different story, games were amazingly new and high tech now its a shovelfest. If you had a PS3 and copy of a few games i'm betting you'd be taken in to a room and offered a huge check to have these items removed from your possession, or you'd be killed...

you can only see noticeable difference if you have a game running at 30 fps right next to the one running at 60 fps. 30 fps is fine for me

you can only see noticeable difference if you have a game running at 30 fps right next to the one running at 60 fps. 30 fps is fine for me

sikanderahmed

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Lol. Are we seriously comparing 8 bit games to what we are playing today? Oh, I forgot, they are EXACTLY alike. Silly me.

I love how the NES handled HDR and all those other graphical effects that we use now..

HFkami

NES is maybe old but brought in every game the same smoothness without tearing in most of the games

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

you can only see noticeable difference if you have a game running at 30 fps right next to the one running at 60 fps. 30 fps is fine for me

FGMPR

if the difference is really that massive then i guess im lucky not being able to notice it or i would probably be unable to play consoles games.

I agree. I want 60fps or higher for all my games. Tired of the choppy sometimes jerky newer games this gen. I'd rather turn the graphics down and get better framerates than be forced to watch a pretty slideshow.

I wish devs would stop trying to push graphics and work on other things like design, story, gameplay and presentation.

I wish devs would stop trying to push graphics and work on other things like design, story, gameplay and presentation.

EdenProxy

this is why I hate this gen of console games, the technical quality of games on consoles is terrible... and almost every game is on pc.

i've debated this before but -

not all games benefit from 60 FPS believe it or not.

infact, some look better overall when locked at 30.

HelloMoto56

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

8-bit games were definitely not 60fps. They almost all targeted 30fps (since 60fps interlaced is stupid). They also didn't properly handle variable framerate, game time would slow down.

HFkami

youre wrong like i said in pal regions were most games slower it wouldnt be the case if all the games would run on 30 frames

You mean games like WipeOut HD for the PS3 that runs 60 frames per second in full 1080p..NukePistols

[QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]

i've debated this before but -

not all games benefit from 60 FPS believe it or not.

infact, some look better overall when locked at 30.

Brownesque

I hate when developers do that I would rather they focus on 60 FPS because the graphics are already good enough on current gen consoles that the focus on framerate wouldn't harm the graphics.

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

8-bit games were definitely not 60fps. They almost all targeted 30fps (since 60fps interlaced is stupid). They also didn't properly handle variable framerate, game time would slow down.

siLVURcross

youre wrong like i said in pal regions were most games slower it wouldnt be the case if all the games would run on 30 frames

you would lost your money sry

I hope we can see the day when 120 FPS becomes standard.nintendo-4life

Those days have been here already for quite some time now on the PC.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

8-bit games were definitely not 60fps. They almost all targeted 30fps (since 60fps interlaced is stupid). They also didn't properly handle variable framerate, game time would slow down.

HFkami

youre wrong like i said in pal regions were most games slower it wouldnt be the case if all the games would run on 30 frames

PAL games ran at 25. Same deal.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]I hope we can see the day when 120 FPS becomes standard.loadedboon

Those days have been here already for quite some time now on the PC.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]I hope we can see the day when 120 FPS becomes standard.Teufelhuhn

Those days have been here already for quite some time now on the PC.

120 Hz was the standard until we switched to LCD monitors

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

8-bit games were definitely not 60fps. They almost all targeted 30fps (since 60fps interlaced is stupid). They also didn't properly handle variable framerate, game time would slow down.

Teufelhuhn

youre wrong like i said in pal regions were most games slower it wouldnt be the case if all the games would run on 30 frames

PAL games ran at 25. Same deal.

And why that? The Pal standard has a limit of 50Hz, NTSC 60Hz if the games would run @ 30 frames it wouldnt have an effect.

i've debated this before but -

not all games benefit from 60 FPS believe it or not.

infact, some look better overall when locked at 30.

HelloMoto56

Don't make me laugh dude... :lol:

most people probably cant tell the difference between 30 anf 60 fps.

what they do notice is the slowdown... if you hit a large area and your fps halves the drop from 30 to 15 is alot more noticeable than the drop form 60 to 30.

I doubt most the gamers here would be able to tell the difference between a game running at a consistent 30fps and a consistent 60fps.

most people probably cant tell the difference between 30 anf 60 fps.

what they do notice is the slowdown... if you hit a large area and your fps halves the drop from 30 to 15 is alot more noticeable than the drop form 60 to 30.

I doubt most the gamers here would be able to tell the difference between a game running at a consistent 30fps and a consistent 60fps.

markinthedark

Why are console games running at resolutions lower than 10 year old pc games? SAGE_OF_FIRE

Dont know if you know this, but its not that hard to render 8 bit at 60 FPS because there is not much there. The more polygons and stuff you are pushing, the harder it is to maintain 60 FPS or high FPS>.

Why are console games running at resolutions lower than 10 year old pc games? SAGE_OF_FIRE

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

most people probably cant tell the difference between 30 anf 60 fps.

what they do notice is the slowdown... if you hit a large area and your fps halves the drop from 30 to 15 is alot more noticeable than the drop form 60 to 30.

I doubt most the gamers here would be able to tell the difference between a game running at a consistent 30fps and a consistent 60fps.

TerrorRizzing

yes but that smoother feeling could likely be the result of less noticeable fps drops. At 30 fps... even just a 5-10 drop is quite noticeable. Thats really the only time i have been able to notice the difference, is when there is slowdown.