How Can You Honestly Blame 360 Defects on the Users?

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This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

bri360

Its the hardwares fault, I had mine since launch and I kept it properly ventilated and it never messed up once, until one day I just put my game in, started playing and it froze with all these weird lines going down the screen, I turn it off then back on and then it got the 3 red lights, so right now its shipped off the get it fixed for $168 canadian which is bs btw! MS probably knows that its their fault but wont do anything, and you know why? Because of all the money they get to make off of repairs/ replacements! I love my 360 but this is just bs!

Thats rediculous. This is why I buy an extended warranty for all my electronics, regardless of whether they become dated hardware or not. My laptop has a 3 year warranty on it even though its already dated hardware wise, however when I choose to give it to my brother, he will be able to use it and it wont cost anything to get fixed. I got a 2 year warranty on my Creative Zen Microphoto at Futureshop for 30 dollars extra which is a good deal considering I paid 250 for the damn thing and if it breaks, I will be able to get one of the equivalent paid price. I have never bought an extended warranty for a Nintendo console because I know they are extremely reliable and they rarely ever break and are cheap fixes if they do.

I was reading actually in an issue of Wired from back in December that there is a company who will put a liquid cooling system into your 360 for about 200 dollars. I forget what the company was but you have to ship your console to them. However I believe that the air cooling system in the 360 is rather shoddy, the fans are not big enough and there needs to be more ventilation out into the air instead of just from the back, especially if its producing a lot of heat. Look at the PS3's casing, there are little vent holes on one side of the case as well as the back and around the bottom as well. Its properly venting heat yet the hardware should generate just as much heat as the 360 does and you would think that there would be hardware problems with it. MS should make the 360 case with slits in the sides so that the air can flow out more, especially when its sitting on its side.

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[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]i can understand when a console breaks down but when people start saying they are on their 5th and 6th xbox 360 something has to be wrong. maybe they aren't throwing it down the stairs but they are doing something they shouldn't. i've had my 360 for about a year and had zero problems with it.sirk1264

So lemmings think that its the users fault that hardware breaks, you heard it here folks. More fragile than a glass vase, more or less right?

it seems like you are on the warpath trying to make the 360 look bad.  The ps2 was no better.  So just give it up already.  These threads are getting old.  Just leave it alone. 

 LOL just wait til your 360 breaks then you'll be singing a different tune, just like me 2 weeks ago.

This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?thedarkomen

As much as I would like to point out that lemmings ignore any faults of MS and think MS can do no wrong ever...regardless of real-world evidence...I'm not going to.

Instead I am going to point out that tons of PS products have broken down and had overheating issues in the past.  The instruction manual clearly states for ANY console that you should not keep it on carpet.  Yet every time I go to someone's house that has a PS1 (in the past) or PS2 (now) what do I see?  Their console sitting on the carpet.  Then they cry and can't figure out why their console breaks.

I understand that consoles often have faulty hardware.  However, I almost always buy consoles at launch, and more than one console per gen.  The only problem I've ever had with any console (and I've been around since the Atari) is my PS1 overheated and broke, which is when I learned about the no-carpet rule.  Since that day I am a firm beleiver that the majority of issues with consoles breaking is due to the user.  I think you are trying to spin the facts by exagerating and saying, "you must think people are completely stupid if you blame the user."  No, I don't think people are stupid, but I DO think that people often act on the spur of the moment without thinking.  Maybe they move the console with a disk in it while it's running, maybe they accidently get excited and knock it over, etc.  It has nothing to do with being stupid.  Some people just don't understand that new technology is fragile.

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This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

gamenux

As an gamer, I pointed this out awhile back. People will not believe you until they experience the "red light of death". Then they (just like you) will post on these forums screaming but no-one believes you.

It is gamer's canabolism.

This sounds like how when people were blaming the users for the Wiimote straps breaking, sending their Wiimote flying and breaking furniture and fixtures before Nintendo had to respond and give out replacement straps.

This is the main issue preventing me from getting a 360 as my second system of this generation. Maybe I'm just spoiled from 20 years of Nintendo hardware, but I should not need to worry about sending my $400 system off for repairs within a year or pay extra in case there is a problem. Yes, I know that PS had issues too which is why I avoided launch systems, until the problem reports died down. 5% is 1 out of 20. That still means at least one of the units on the shelf of my stores is defective. That's just too high of a risk.

I'm hoping that the Elite doesn't have this type of problem, but from the sounds of things it's the overall design that is a major contributor to the problem.

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This is really disturbing from the lemming side. They keep saying that most of the 360 defects in many topics is the fault of the user. That they don't ventilate it. I highly extremely doubt that in all the 20+ years of gaming that its the user's entire fault that a hardware fails. I mean honestly, it happens out of the blue for many people, and all you can do is blame your own kind and do some damage control. The first Ps2s weren't such a great quality, but they fixed it real quick. And yet you have these 360s breaking after warranty, and all you do is blame gamers. What are you, Jack Thompson?

Are you telling me that users suddenly decided to throw their 360 down the stairs? Really?

 

This 360 defect is an epidemic, it's not some overblown feature, too many reports from even established bloggers and news sites. This can't be true that its nothing, even the xbox site has a huge topic in its forum about defects.

What's your excuse about this?

 

 

thedarkomen

It is blown out of proportin. It is a higher than normal number of defects, but not anywhere near as much as people make it out to be. i would guess along the order of 5 percent.

I said it is higher than normal.... 5% is a LOT of xboxes.... Do the math. Some people make it sound like every other xbox is breaking down though.

Why such attitude? I said it has a higer than normal defect rate. 5% is pretty high. Just that it is exagerated greatly, especially here in system wars. BTW 5% is half a million 360's. There, I did the math for you.