How come MS and Sony haben't tried to copy Nintendo with Super Smash Bros. yet?

I just don't understand why neither Miscrosoft or Sony have put together a game with their mascots yet. Microsoft could use Marcus Fenix, Master Chief, Commander Sheppherd, etc. While Sony could use Snake, Spyro, Crash, Sephiroth etc. It looks like maybe Microsoft wouldnn't be able to pull it off because well all the mascots I can think of are from shooters but I think Sony could do a great job on it.

Edit: Please read my 2nd and 3rd post about my improved idea on a Sony mascot game.

Crash and Spyro aren't Sony's anymore and the franchises are no longer good .... the others are 3rd paty characters. But I suppse they could with what they do have , and they can inclued some 3rd party characters if they pay up.

The characters in SSB games are actual mascots which makes them a lot cooler to fight with.

As of now neither MS or Sony have any real mascots (MC is close, but still he's a pretty bad mascot), and therefore the game would just be lame.

A lot of people will hate me for it but I'm going to be honest.

They probably have'nt because it's not that good without the nintendo magic (ok, classic ninty chars).

Part of the novlty of SSB is playing with so many varied and memorable nintendo character in locations familiar to many people. quite honestly, Sony nor Microsoft have the characters or the brand recognizability to make this a success to the average person. I certainly know that unless this was a crazy good game all things considered I wouldn't honestly care. I mean, having snake and Kratos battle isn't nearly as cool to look at as having Mario, Link, Samus and Sonic go at it in Hyrule. (plus smash bros plays well all things considered)

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Part of the novlty of SSM is playing with so many varied and memorable nintendo character in locations familiar to many people. quite honestly, Sony nor Microsoft have the characters or the brand recognizability to make this a success to the average person. I certainly know that unless this was a crazy good game all things considered I wouldn't honestly care. I mean, having snake and Kratos battle isn't nearly as cool to look at as having Mario, Link, Samus and Sonic go at it in Hyrule.

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This.

MAybe instead of making the game a fighter like Smash, Sony could make an FPS ala Unreal Tournament, with Kratos, Snake, and whatever 3rd party characters they can scrounge up. Since it would be an FPS rather than a blatant SSB clone people would actually be able to enjoy a fresh new take on the stale FPS genre with a little nostalgia throne in. You can't honestly tell me that would be a cool idea.MUSH_IS_PWNs

I have no idea. the formula is awesome!

Like I said Sony would probably have to pay a bunch of 3rd partycompanies for permission to use their characters but then they could have characters like Sephiroth, Kratos, Sack boy, Snake, Crash, Spyro, Helghast, Chimera, and more while playing on a map based on the game each of the characters are from. I don't see how that wouldn't make for a great game.

super sackboy brawl ftw

Not enough first-party properties. Only Nintendo has the history to bring forth enough characters to make the thing work.

It's not worth trying to copy maybe? Wears out quick like almost every other fighter game. DeadMagazines

I'll grant you. Both Sony and Microsoft are developing their own stable of first-party IPs. Sony has Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Kratos, and maybe characters from the Wild Arms and Ape Escape series; while Microsoft can draw on Banjo, Kameo, Joanna Dark, of course the Master Chief, and maybe even a Pinata. I just don't think either of them has the "complete package" needed to pull it off, especially when any game they cook up has to by default contend with the perennial party fighting champ currently housed in the Wii.

No doubt they could make an enjoyableandinteresting kart racer if they really wanted to. -

• Jak , Daxter , etc
• Ratchet , Clank , Qwark , etc
• Sly Cooper , etc
• Sackboy/girl
• Hot Shots
• Nathan Drake , Elena , etc
• Nariko , Kai
• cole - electric car (lol) , trish , etc
• gabe logan

Themed tracks , soundtracks , special pickups , etc. The mixing of e for everyone characters with the more realistic ones would be hilarious imho and it would give it its own unique flavor. Good cross promotion as well. And they could include their enemies as well and bring in otherthings. Examples - dr. nefarious , bohan , helghast character , character with a motorstorm helmet , etc.

Imagine racing on a wipeout themed track , a motorstorm one , a crazy loco roco world track , etc. They could do so much with it that it isn't even funny.Gold , gold , gold.

It's not worth trying to copy maybe? Wears out quick like almost every other fighter game. DeadMagazines

Not enough first-party properties. Only Nintendo has the history to bring forth enough characters to make the thing work.

HuusAsking

SEGA also has alot of characters I would love to see in a Super Smash Bros. Game.

Sony has

• Sweet Tooth (Twisted Metal)
• Kratos (God of War)
• Jak
• Daxter
• Ratchet
• Sackboy
• Navy Seals (Socom)
• Cole (inFAMOUS)
• Mark of Krai characters (I think that is the correct spelling)
• Helgaust (Killzone)
• Nathan Drake (Uncharted)
• Nathan Hale (Resistance)
• Syphon Filter characters

They atleast need 25 characters because that is how many characters were in Melee but with this list they would have as many as in the first Super Smash Bros.

cause MS and sony dont have enough mascots... there would be like 3 characters...

didn't sony already try with the crappy rag doll kung fu? or was that third party? either way that game sucked! i downloaded it when it was free, yea. not good (had potential but nothing delivered)

Most of the characters in SSBB are all first party. I think only Snake and Sonic are the 3rd party characters. If MS or Sony were to make a game like that, they would probably have to pay the 3rd parties for use of their characters.channtheman1

Microsoft they might not have enough unless they use Gears of War characters, Rare Characters, Master Chief, The Arbitor, and alot more 3rd Party characters.

MAybe instead of making the game a fighter like Smash, Sony could make an FPS ala Unreal Tournament, with Kratos, Snake, and whatever 3rd party characters they can scrounge up. Since it would be an FPS rather than a blatant SSB clone people would actually be able to enjoy a fresh new take on the stale FPS genre with a little nostalgia throne in. You can't honestly tell me that would be a cool idea.MUSH_IS_PWNs

Butkratos doesn't use a gun?That idea could work for MS though.

i that was the case (FPS) I would like it if each character played exactly as he or she did in his or her original game. (marcus 3rd person cover, master chief uber jump.)

heres the lists For M$:

Guy from crackdown

Francis, Zoey, Louis, Bill, and the new 4 survivors

Guy from fable

Sheperd + team

Master chief and ODST's

Covenant and flood

marcus and the gang

Main character of lost odessy

LOL a pinata from viva pinata

For Sony

Krados

Guy from infamous

Drake

Sev + helghast

Ratchet

Maybe Snake

Nathan Hale

chimara

girl from heavenly sowrd

sackboy :)

Oh imagine a story mode for these games

Rag Doll Kung Fu? well not really.

i that was the case (FPS) I would like it if each character played exactly as he or she did in his or her original game. (marcus 3rd person cover, master chief uber jump.)

heres the lists For M$:

Guy from crackdown

Francis, Zoey, Louis, Bill, and the new 4 survivors

Guy from fable

Sheperd + team

Master chief and ODST's

Covenant and flood

marcus and the gang

Main character of lost odessy

LOL a pinata from viva pinata

For Sony

Krados

Guy from infamous

Drake

Sev + helghast

Ratchet

Maybe Snake

Nathan Hale

chimara

girl from heavenly sowrd

sackboy :)

Oh imagine a story mode for these games

mayceV

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i that was the case (FPS) I would like it if each character played exactly as he or she did in his or her original game. (marcus 3rd person cover, master chief uber jump.)

heres the lists For M$:

Guy from crackdown

Francis, Zoey, Louis, Bill, and the new 4 survivors

Guy from fable

Sheperd + team

Master chief and ODST's

Covenant and flood

marcus and the gang

Main character of lost odessy

LOL a pinata from viva pinata

For Sony

Krados

Guy from infamous

Drake

Sev + helghast

Ratchet

Maybe Snake

Nathan Hale

chimara

girl from heavenly sowrd

sackboy :)

Oh imagine a story mode for these games

Wardemon50

it doesn''t matter they own rights to all of them except the 8 survivors they after all own the franchises. I'd say alan wake except he'd be killed so easily

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i that was the case (FPS) I would like it if each character played exactly as he or she did in his or her original game. (marcus 3rd person cover, master chief uber jump.)

heres the lists For M$:

Guy from crackdown

Francis, Zoey, Louis, Bill, and the new 4 survivors

Guy from fable

Sheperd + team

Master chief and ODST's

Covenant and flood

marcus and the gang

Main character of lost odessy

LOL a pinata from viva pinata

For Sony

Krados

Guy from infamous

Drake

Sev + helghast

Ratchet

Maybe Snake

Nathan Hale

chimara

girl from heavenly sowrd

sackboy :)

Oh imagine a story mode for these games

it doesn''t matter they own rights to all of them except the 8 survivors they after all own the franchises. I'd say alan wake except he'd be killed so easily

Imagine if Forza cars were playable character :lol: I would get that instantly.

Anyway, at the rate Sony is going a (in terms of 1st party characters) i think they could make one as early as next gen, MS, not at all.

SEGA could definately do one and it looks like their heading that way with sonic tennis and racing game.

[QUOTE="MUSH_IS_PWNs"]MAybe instead of making the game a fighter like Smash, Sony could make an FPS ala Unreal Tournament, with Kratos, Snake, and whatever 3rd party characters they can scrounge up. Since it would be an FPS rather than a blatant SSB clone people would actually be able to enjoy a fresh new take on the stale FPS genre with a little nostalgia throne in. You can't honestly tell me that would be a cool idea.ColdP1zza

Butkratos doesn't use a gun?That idea could work for MS though.

I can imagine Sony Smash Bros.(w/ Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Sly, Sackboy, etc.) even tho Sony doesn't own rights to the few I mentioned.

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[QUOTE="MUSH_IS_PWNs"]MAybe instead of making the game a fighter like Smash, Sony could make an FPS ala Unreal Tournament, with Kratos, Snake, and whatever 3rd party characters they can scrounge up. Since it would be an FPS rather than a blatant SSB clone people would actually be able to enjoy a fresh new take on the stale FPS genre with a little nostalgia throne in. You can't honestly tell me that would be a cool idea.cdecrosta03

Butkratos doesn't use a gun?That idea could work for MS though.

Because Sony and Microsoft don't have the same amount of iconic unique characters Nintendo does and trying to purchase the rights to other third-party characters in order to try to build a cast as big and amazing as the one featured on the SSB series would cost too much money.

Sega is the only other company who could pull off a Smash Bros type game, and even for them it would be difficult.

Microsoft and Sony really don't have therecognizableicons that Nintendo and Sega have. Ratchet will never be as well known as Mario and Sonic. Kratos will never come close to the popularity andrecognitionthat Link, Pikachu, Kirby, and Samus have.

What made Smash Bros work was the concept of having iconic Nintendo characters like Mario, Kirby, Link, and Samus battle one another on Nintendo themed stages. Looking over the lists that some people drew up for Sony and Microsoft, I did not see a single character that interested me.

Only Sega has the characters to pull off a Smash Bros style game, and even then, once you remove the Sonic characters, they would have difficulty pulling it off.

It's been said, but they just dont have the cast of characters unless they pay a ton of money for third parties. And what's the sense in that? The real question is why haven't any of the third parties done it? Konami did with DreamMix TV World Fighters and Capcom already has a lot of 2D cross over fighters that sell in their own right.

MAybe instead of making the game a fighter like Smash, Sony could make an FPS ala Unreal Tournament, with Kratos, Snake, and whatever 3rd party characters they can scrounge up. Since it would be an FPS rather than a blatant SSB clone people would actually be able to enjoy a fresh new take on the stale FPS genre with a little nostalgia throne in. You can't honestly tell me that would be a cool idea.MUSH_IS_PWNs

Butkratos doesn't use a gun?That idea could work for MS though.

Capcom already owned SSB with Powerstone.