How come PC gamers in general think all JRPGs are linear and like Final Fantasy?

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Mass Effect is a prime example of Blade Runner tweaking. :| Witcher is also a huge tweaking of Tolkein. Seriously, do you even know what the Bladerunner and Tolkein archetypes are?! What isn't Bladerunner is post apocylptica. The fact of the matter is that I do not see very much variety in the settings of stories. Bebi_vegeta

I think it's the other way around...

It´s the gameplay that diferentiates them the most.

Less variety? Are you joking? JRPGs have no variety. Meanwhile, check the different types of settings in WRPGs from Fallout, to Mass Effect, to Jade Empire, to KOTOR, to Planescape, etc. The only way you could think otherwise is if you don't realize that BioWare made so many games the same because they were in the same universe.ChrisJ2004

In GENERAL when I look at WRPG's I see Blade Runner and Tolkien tweaking (Ways best put by mr. vandalvideo)

I think it's the other way around...Bebi_vegeta

Humor me.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

Hardly. I've played almost every JRPG in existence and they definitely all feel the same after a while. WRPGs have far more diversity.

ChrisJ2004

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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

Hardly. I've played almost every JRPG in existence and they definitely all feel the same after a while. WRPGs have far more diversity.

ChrisJ2004

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So how did you like Prisim Ark, Nega0, Daisounan, The Dark Spire, Shining Force Feather, Summon Night X: Tears Crown, etc?

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] I seriously doubt you've nearly played every JRPG in existence. Yandere

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So how did you like Prisim Ark, Nega0, Daisounan, The Dark Spire, Shining Force Feather, Summon Night X: Tears Crown, etc?

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] I seriously doubt you've nearly played every JRPG in existence. Yandere

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So how did you like Prisim Ark, Nega0, Daisounan, The Dark Spire, Shining Force Feather, Summon Night X: Tears Crown, etc?

Did someone make this thread before or am I losing my sanity? To answer your question TC its because the more popular mainstream JRPGS feel that way.

Espada12

This. The most popular JRPG's are in fact, linear.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Did someone make this thread before or am I losing my sanity? To answer your question TC its because the more popular mainstream JRPGS feel that way.

Nagidar

This. The most popular JRPG's are in fact, linear.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

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Arach666

So how did you like Prisim Ark, Nega0, Daisounan, The Dark Spire, Shining Force Feather, Summon Night X: Tears Crown, etc?

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

So how did you like Prisim Ark, Nega0, Daisounan, The Dark Spire, Shining Force Feather, Summon Night X: Tears Crown, etc?

siLVURcross

Thats why you ask him for his opinions of the most obscure JRPG youve played.

Like the Ys games :D

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Eh,why bother,the man is gong to google it...-Oath

Thats why you ask him for his opinions of the most obscure JRPG youve played.

Like the Ys games :D

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Pretty much. Which is why I didn't even name any, anyone with common sense could just easily Google it all.siLVURcross

Thats why you ask him for his opinions of the most obscure JRPG youve played.

Like the Ys games :D

I didn't like that game, it did do what it was supposed to do though, mix RPGs with pornography.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Thats why you ask him for his opinions of the most obscure JRPG youve played.

Like the Ys games :D

Yandere

I didn't like that game, it did do what it was supposed to do though, mix RPGs with pornography.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Read my earlier post. I asked him for his opinion on an H-game/RPG :lol:siLVURcross

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

I didn't like that game, it did do what it was supposed to do though, mix RPGs with pornography.

Yandere

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Yea it was pretty bad, still Illusion games are fun to mess with mods.siLVURcross

Though they did make Sexy Beach 3 which was really fun to mod...

All their games sound like nice ideas if you bend them into ways you want it to go though, I just feel bad for the guys who buy their games.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

At first I thought it was going to be a Phantasy Star/Monster Hunter type JRPG where you can make your own heroines (and customize yourself) to be in your party.. You would have a visual novel side of the game also where you can talk with the girls, experience things with them and develop your relationship overtime then a H-Scene appears.

But I was sadly mistaken.

Yandere

Though they did make Sexy Beach 3 which was really fun to mod...

All their games sound like nice ideas if you bend them into ways you want it to go though, I just feel bad for the guys who buy their games.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Pretty much. Which is why I didn't even name any, anyone with common sense could just easily Google it all.siLVURcross

Thats why you ask him for his opinions of the most obscure JRPG youve played.

Like the Ys games :D

A 30 second search and I was at Hong Fire with screenshots and a summary :P

And for the record, it doesnt look like a fun H game at all.... then again, no one plays H games for fun >_>

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] I honestly didn't expect much, it's an Illusion game.

Though they did make Sexy Beach 3 which was really fun to mod...

siLVURcross

All their games sound like nice ideas if you bend them into ways you want it to go though, I just feel bad for the guys who buy their games.

Yeah, if someone can make a dating sim (with cell shaded graphics) with A.I that acually responds to you and uses some sort of program like vocaloid so it doesn't need Seiyū.. It'd be a step up from Love Plus.. You know instead of me following and hugging a girl for her to like me.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Thats why you ask him for his opinions of the most obscure JRPG youve played.

Like the Ys games :D

-Oath

A 30 second search and I was at Hong Fire with screenshots and a summary :P

And for the record, it doesnt look like a fun H game at all.... then again, no one plays H games for fun >_>

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

All their games sound like nice ideas if you bend them into ways you want it to go though, I just feel bad for the guys who buy their games.

Yandere

Yeah, if someone can make a dating sim (with cell shaded graphics) with A.I that acually responds to you and uses some sort of program like vocaloid so it doesn't need Seiyū.. It'd be a step up from Love Plus.. You know instead of me following and hugging a girl for her to like me.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Read my earlier post. I asked him for his opinion on an H-game/RPG :lol:siLVURcross

A 30 second search and I was at Hong Fire with screenshots and a summary :P

And for the record, it doesnt look like a fun H game at all.... then again, no one plays H games for fun >_>

Youve got sound, sex and RPG battles, bare bones but itll do. Cant go into a H game expecting the best :P

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

A 30 second search and I was at Hong Fire with screenshots and a summary :P

And for the record, it doesnt look like a fun H game at all.... then again, no one plays H games for fun >_>

-Oath

Youve got sound, sex and RPG battles, bare bones but itll do. Cant go into a H game expecting the best :P

I still somewhat enjoyed it, in a funny sort of a way...from what I could hear anyways.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Oh it's terrible. When I first ran it, no character models showed up, and I was randomly in some battle. Had no idea what I was doing, next thing you know, I think my character dies and a sex scene occurs. Confusing to the max. Sound still works though. :PsiLVURcross

Youve got sound, sex and RPG battles, bare bones but itll do. Cant go into a H game expecting the best :P

I wouldn't blame the developers too much, considering how their budget must be really low, I respect them for trying.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Youve got sound, sex and RPG battles, bare bones but itll do. Cant go into a H game expecting the best :P

Yandere

I wouldn't blame the developers too much, considering how their budget must be really low, I respect them for trying.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Well it was a neat concept, just didn't work out :PsiLVURcross

I wouldn't blame the developers too much, considering how their budget must be really low, I respect them for trying.

If they keep improving (as they seem to do with every game) it might be playable.

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]Less variety? Are you joking? JRPGs have no variety. Meanwhile, check the different types of settings in WRPGs from Fallout, to Mass Effect, to Jade Empire, to KOTOR, to Planescape, etc. The only way you could think otherwise is if you don't realize that BioWare made so many games the same because they were in the same universe.tagyhag

In GENERAL when I look at WRPG's I see Blade Runner and Tolkien tweaking (Ways best put by mr. vandalvideo)

I think it's the other way around...Bebi_vegeta

Humor me.

Well start by defining variety...

[QUOTE="STXSambodog"]How come PC gamers in general think all JRPGs are linear and like Final Fantasy?

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Humor me.

Bebi_vegeta

Well start by defining variety...

Aesthetically speaking.

That sounds like the worst game ever.

You spend most of your time chatting to anime chicks?

Wow ...

My sperm count just took a huge blow

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Humor me.

tagyhag

Well start by defining variety...

Aesthetically speaking.

As in, Borderland is asthetically different then fallout 3?

Meh.. most games (including RPG's or all types), are in fact liniar. While some are more than others and some games take a pride in being as open ended as possible, saying that wRPG's are non liniar is hardely true.

Second. So what if a game is liniar?

As for jRPG's I've been giving them a try with relativly little luck. Can someone recommend a good / interesting jRPG for either the PC or X360. I resently tried Tales of Vesparia and Star Ocean: Last Hope and felt both were.. really rather boring, Eternal Sonata were somewhat more interesting (I thought mixing in the classical music angle was quite clever). I'm not sure if I'm just missing the good stuff due to my ignorence when it comes to the genre?

There is no grinding in Sakura Wars.Leveling up characters sis based on making them like you better.

Sakura Wars is one of the top 5 most popular RPG franchises in Japan and is one of the top ten most popular game series in Japan.

Also all of the first Sakura Wars made it in top 100 greatest games of all time list by Famitsu Magazine(Biggest gaming Magazine in Japan).

Pretty much every Japanese magazine or website I know gave all Sakura Wars game(except the 5th)a perfect score,an editor's choice award,andevem made it in the top 100 games of all times lists of these Japanese gaming magazines and sites/The fifht(considered the worst in the series by llong time fans) surprisingly got near perfect scores in Famitsu and every other Japanese gaming magazin and site despite being the weakest entry.

No offense TC, but the game you're talking about, sounds like complete and utter ****

Most elitist fans of WRPGs think all JRPGs are like FF.

Yandere

so if people don't like JRPG they are automatically WRPG elitist fan? And along with PC elitist I don't know why the word is invented

I mean, if a JRPG lover bashes WRPG, he/she is doing justice, but when a wrpg doesn't like JRPG, he's a elitist fan?

How about this, Most elitist fans of JRPG think are WRPGs are broken buggy mess huge lands with no story and ugly characters.

I think its gamers in general, not just PC ones who know this fact.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Most elitist fans of WRPGs think all JRPGs are like FF.

Ncsoftlover

so if people don't like JRPG they are automatically WRPG elitist fan? And along with PC elitist I don't know why the word is invented

I mean, if a JRPG lover bashes WRPG, he/she is doing justice, but when a wrpg doesn't like JRPG, he's a elitist fan?

How about this, Most elitist fans of JRPG think are WRPGs are broken buggy mess huge lands with no story and ugly characters.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Well start by defining variety...

Bebi_vegeta

Aesthetically speaking.

As in, Borderland is asthetically different then fallout 3?

sounds like ar tonelico with more diving and less fighting. personally i thought ar tonelico was a good mix of the 2, i don't know if i'd want to spend the majority of my gaming time trying to make cartoon anime chicks like me. i'd rather turn the game off and go hang out with a real chick that likes me.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Aesthetically speaking.

tagyhag

As in, Borderland is asthetically different then fallout 3?

I'd like some evidence then...

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

As in, Borderland is asthetically different then fallout 3?

Bebi_vegeta

I'd like some evidence then...

All right, ALL of the FF titles are varied. ALL of the Persona titles are varied. All of the Tales titles are varied, etc etc. :P

Do they look the same? Heck yeah, but they sure as hell have more varied settings compared to each other as opposed to Borderlands and Fallout 3.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] Well, if we're THAT vague then JRPG's DEFINETLY have more variety. :lol:tagyhag

I'd like some evidence then...

All right, ALL of the FF titles are varied. ALL of the Persona titles are varied. All of the Tales titles are varied, etc etc. :P

Do they look the same? Heck yeah, but they sure as hell have more varied settings compared to each other as opposed to Borderlands and Fallout 3.

Well I taught we we're talking about Aesthetically and then you're talking about gameplay...