How did GTAIV and MGSIV get 10's when their online is pure ****?

[QUOTE="Adonymous"][QUOTE="z_gaming_master"]

You do realise, though, that bashing GTA IV's online is totally pointless? This is because there are just so many variables. With about 15 game modes, each fully customisable, doing everything from racing to deathmatch to co-op missions, two people could each play GTA IV's online for 5 or even 10 hours and have totally different experiances. Never mind the fact that playing with friends, especially in free mode, can be an amazingly fun experiance. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the guy who gave GTA IV a 10/10 perhaps....you know...played online with the rest of the GS staff?

z_gaming_master

all that is fine and dandy, but if you can't get in a game 80% of the time...what's the point?

Which version do you own? Cause personally I have the 360 version and I rarely have trouble getting into a game. Sometimes though I'll be waiting for other players to join for ages, so I find its often best to quit empty rooms and wait until I get one with a population.

I have the PS3 version...am getting the 360 via netflix any day now...prolly tomorrow so I can compare...

[QUOTE="Hitman533"]10 doesn't mean perfect here at GS. toast_burner

unless they add 11

WRONG. 10 means Prime, a game which is way ahead of the competition and is amazing for the time of release. Not perfect, plus like hongkingkong said they round stuff up so GTA4 and MGS4 on the old systems would probably have gotten 9.7/9.8's

[QUOTE="z_gaming_master"][QUOTE="Adonymous"][QUOTE="z_gaming_master"]

You do realise, though, that bashing GTA IV's online is totally pointless? This is because there are just so many variables. With about 15 game modes, each fully customisable, doing everything from racing to deathmatch to co-op missions, two people could each play GTA IV's online for 5 or even 10 hours and have totally different experiances. Never mind the fact that playing with friends, especially in free mode, can be an amazingly fun experiance. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the guy who gave GTA IV a 10/10 perhaps....you know...played online with the rest of the GS staff?

Adonymous

all that is fine and dandy, but if you can't get in a game 80% of the time...what's the point?

Which version do you own? Cause personally I have the 360 version and I rarely have trouble getting into a game. Sometimes though I'll be waiting for other players to join for ages, so I find its often best to quit empty rooms and wait until I get one with a population.

I have the PS3 version...am getting the 360 via netflix any day now...prolly tomorrow so I can compare...

I dunno if there will be a difference, but I do know the PS3 version had problems at launch.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Hitman533"]10 doesn't mean perfect here at GS. bobbetybob

unless they add 11

WRONG. 10 means Prime, a game which is way ahead of the competition and is amazing for the time of release. Not perfect, plus like hongkingkong said they round stuff up so GTA4 and MGS4 on the old systems would probably have gotten 9.7/9.8's

GTA4 got a 10 because Rockstar put the whole videogame industry on its back and faced down "the man" known as video game censorship.

Its a low 9s game at best. GTA hasn't done anything innovative since GTA3. There are tones of GTA-like games or games with GTA features. The open world thing isn't some amazing new concept anymore. Its standard and old hat. Its an overcrowded genre and even games in other genres have incorporated alot of the things from GTA3. GTA4s score is based off of what GTA3 did and that technically each game has gotten better (although I don't find GTA4 to be as fun as Vice City) so they've given the series scores based off of that. That makes sense until you realize that they have totally ignored other titles in the market and that what was once innovative is now a standard, over populated genre.

If i'm correct, they haven't made a Battle Arena Toshinden since the days of the PS1. Lets say they finally made a sequel... and it had PS1 graphics, but still better than the old game. It had PS1-era mechanics which were an improvement on the first game but nowhere near as amazing as they were back when it was still the PS1 era. "Well the first game was a 9.1 and this game is better, so it has to be higher... 9.5." Thats silly. You have to judge games in context of what else is on the market. You can't ignore every progression that the genre has made and every other title available (Tekken, Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter, Soul Caliber).

Everyone forgot that when GTA4 came out because they wanted to reward Rockstar for being the martyr of the industry. And they still had intense and unfounded hate for EA, who they felt were bullying Rockstar at the time. Thats what the GTA 10 is based off of: EA and Manhunt 2.

10 doesn't equal perfect, but its the best of the best. When a game gets a 10, its like saying this game is one of the best of the best. Not the best of the year, but best of the best in the overall history of video games. If GTA3 didn't get a 10 when it basically created a whole new genre, was really innovative, and there was nothing like it, how is GTA4 a ten when games like it are a dime a dozen and its once "innovative" features are now standards of pretty much every game sold.

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

Adonymous

all you do in every post and/or thread you create is whine, on topic the reason they got 10 is because they are great games (here is the kicker) according to the OPINION of this website. Now, me personally felt that MGS 4 deserved a 10, based on its presentation alone, GTA 4 not so much, i would give that a 9.

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

Adonymous

We can also say the same for Halo 3 and Gear of war. How did they get such high scores when the story's are pure ****?

The way I look at it. Games like MGS4, Halo 3, and Gears of War should be based off the single player and story. Anything online is just a bonus add on. That is how u rate a game by and is a reason GTA4 and MGS4 got there scores.

[QUOTE="Hitman533"]10 doesn't mean perfect here at GS. Adonymous

but how can a large (or significant) part of a game be crap, yet the game still get a prime score?

Probably because MGO isnt crap and you just suck at it.

GTA4 however deserved a 9.5

[QUOTE="Hitman533"]10 doesn't mean perfect here at GS. toast_burner

unless they add 11

There is no such thing as a perfect game.

There is no such thing as a perfect game.

skrat_01

disagree. CoH is perfect 8)anshul89

as long as you play German, anyway.

MGS4 easily deserves a 10, even without online. GTAIV simply doesn't deserve a 10 in any way.

I love MGO... though I can see how it isn't the adrenaline junkie's favorite. It's a bit more strategic than a COD4, which I'm guessing is something the TC enjoys...

-sig

[QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

BobHipJames

Do you have any criticisms of these games other than their multiplayer?

If not, goodbye.

So now the muliplayer aspect should not be counted towards how the overall review of the game? :?

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

xscrapzx

Do you have any criticisms of these games other than their multiplayer?

If not, goodbye.

So now the muliplayer aspect should not be counted towards how the overall review of the game? :?

depends on the game. MGS was never a game for it's MP.

Probably they werent reviewing online experince as reviewer said that you get MGO as bonus when you buy MGS4.

I think MGS4 deserves 10 if leaning on single player experinece.Gta 4 definetly NOT.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]disagree. CoH is perfect 8)Hewkii

as long as you play German, anyway.

They're certainly not the best. But "pure **** isn't the description I'd attribute to them.

Both can get pretty addictive for mutually exclusive reasons.

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

Adonymous

Because it more to a game then just online play, some people do like stories you know.

MGO is surprisingly entertaining. The major disappointment(s) I have with it are that the framerate goes to all hell in larger maps when you're sweeping your view over the area, and the weapon selection buttons are very, very clunky. They work fine in single player of course when the game pauses for you, but tougher to use online. The registration process is also ridiculous...

The way I see it, 10 is not saying the game is perfect, but it's better than a 9.0 or 9.5. I don't really see how any game can be perfect.

[QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

clintos59

We can also say the same for Halo 3 and Gear of war. How did they get such high scores when the story's are pure ****?

The way I look at it. Games like MGS4, Halo 3, and Gears of War should be based off the single player and story. Anything online is just a bonus add on. That is how u rate a game by and is a reason GTA4 and MGS4 got there scores.

Chrono Cross didn't even offer 1080p!SolidGame_basic

I think people aremisinterpretingwhat I'm saying. My point is that konami bent over backwards to try to make a game that was amazing in every aspect. Doing a game in 1080p is hard to do without having the framerate drop, and konami put in the extra work to make sure they could do this properly. Besides, Chrono Cross was on the SNES, not PS3. Part of the reason why I bought a PS3 was for amazing visuals to go with my 1080p HDTV (along with the line-up of games), so when a game is in 1080p, it gives it that little "extra" touch, which MGS4 did.

1080p isn't something needed to make a game a 10, but wether people think so or not, a game in 1080p is a little better than the same game in 480i. If visuals weren't an important aspect in video games, we wouldn't be getting next gen systems.

[QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

footfoe2

But as for MGS4 The online is just extra. And its not that bad in fact its pretty fun. It has a different title its not part of the game its all about the single player, with its sky high production values, Perfect gameplay, and Story just on the right side of the Convuluted/brillant fence.

honestly how awesome was it when you SPoiler?

Got*** int**o the me**tal gear*** rex and fought **your way out of that sha**dow moss***es

Hmm i lost the spoiler covering button

Nothing is just 'extra' most games lose points and ratings just because of faulty online, gta4 and mgso are no exceptions, so you'd think, but ign and gamespot both fall to the hype machine. GTA4 is a 9 -9.5 in my books... which is still great, just not perfect. bad online, boring storyline (gta4)...

If you read the GTA4 review, it says that the "online support for 16 players" is part of what makes GTA4 a superb game. I honestly have yet to see or play the online, but it sounds as though a lot here would disagree. Apparently, the Gamespot reviewer thought it was good.

As for MGS4, I understand why MGO wouldn't be considered part of the game. MGO is a seperate project/game in itself, and shouldn't count for or against MGS4.

hype.

especially on GTA IV

Seriously?

In GTAIV getting into a game takes forever...its like the old PS2 lobby type system...simply a pain in the arse...I don't even bother anymore trying to get into a game...only when my friends are playing I might jump in...gah..

and MGO...wow...its not even part of the PSN...its slow...characters move slow...it lags a fair amount...you can only create 1 character...maps are a joke...

How could these games get PERFECT or PRIME scores?

Adonymous

good topic TC.

those scores would definitly be misleading for someone interested in those games for its multiplayer.

[QUOTE="Hitman533"]10 doesn't mean perfect here at GS. Adonymous

but how can a large (or significant) part of a game be crap, yet the game still get a prime score?

It boggles my mind. Reviewers just ignored them I guess.