How do PC gamers deal with hackers?

Being that I really only play online games on the servers I'm an admin on, I ban them.

If I'm not on my server, I just go to a different one.

VAC works well. There are a lot of programs that stop the majority of people who like to use hax, most are a mandatory install to play the game online. I've never encountered someone using hax in all my years.

Its apparently becoming a problem on consoles though, especially Valva games on 360. My friends were telling me they were in a game and someone built a sentry on a heavy.

Unlike on consoles on PC we have a thing called admins in servers to ban them

Just find good servers and stick with them

Watch out, its Jamex making thigns on the PC side look worse than they are again :roll:, unlimted strikes? on normal servers... PLEASE.

PC360Wii

rule #1 about online gaming.

>>>> never ever join/play on a server that has racist/sexist/hackers on it.

how to identify if its a good server

#1. almost whole of the day it will be full

#2. it will have atleast 1 admin there

#3. the players there wont act like jerks , if they will then >>>>> !admin >>>> votekick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8519KcMC8

Saying you can't hack on consoles is like saying you can't pirate on consoles.

Unlike on consoles on PC we have a thing called admins in servers to ban them

Just find good servers and stick with them

Toriko42

Exactly.

I usually find a few good servers and frequent them -- never have trouble with hackers. I'll see one MAYBE every few hundred game hours..and they're always promptly dealt-with.

I often see idiots claiming other people are hackers, but to come across an actual hacker (as opposed to just a good player) is extremely rare in the major online PC titles.

i use steam and they have an anticheat (VAC secured) to scan your game registry for hacks and cheats. but there are ways around it i think.

primitive013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8519KcMC8

Saying you can't hack on consoles is like saying you can't pirate on consoles.

[QUOTE="taidhg"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8519KcMC8

Saying you can't hack on consoles is like saying you can't pirate on consoles.

Jamex1987

:lol:

If that's "lag", Halo 3 has some of the worst netcode ever.

Also, what about all the Left 4 Dead 360 hacking videos out there? I suppose spawning weapons, noclip, and god mode is just "lag", too :roll:

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="taidhg"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8519KcMC8

Saying you can't hack on consoles is like saying you can't pirate on consoles.

Velocitas8

:lol:

If that's "lag", Halo 3 has some of the worst netcode ever.

Also, what about all the Left 4 Dead 360 hacking videos out there? I suppose spawning weapons, noclip, and god mode is just "lag", too :roll:

If someone is on a slow connection they will get lag. :?Jamex1987

But the host machine handles the registering of shots. Even if another connected player is lagging, as long as you have a good connection to the host, it WILL NOT affect the game in that manner.

I don't know what videos you are talking about but no one can manipulate the files on 360 games.Jamex1987

Yes they can. Ever heard of player profiles? Copying them from the HDD and modifying them to bind developer commands (that weren't intended to be used) to the 360 controller?

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]If someone is on a slow connection they will get lag. :?Velocitas8

But the host machine handles the registering of shots. Even if another connected player is lagging, as long as you have a good connection to the host, it WILL NOT affect the game in that manner.

But they've gotta get the signal that you've fired from that laggy person. Also the signals for when you move and so on. A person on slow-reacting connections will have problems against people with quick-reacting connections. That's why PINGs are such an important online statistic.HuusAsking

The server only needs the signal that you've fired from YOU. The person you've fired at doesn't need to send anything, other than data related to its potition. If you see a player in a specific area, you should be able to shoot him, even if he doesn't appear to be in that area on his own screen.

To put it in simpler terms:

The client doesn't tell the server "Hey, I just got shot!"

The server tells the client "Hey, you just got shot!"

That is, unless the netcode of console games is somehow dramatically different. Pretty much every PC game I've ever played online works in this manner.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]But they've gotta get the signal that you've fired from that laggy person. Also the signals for when you move and so on. A person on slow-reacting connections will have problems against people with quick-reacting connections. That's why PINGs are such an important online statistic.Velocitas8

The server only needs the signal that you've fired from YOU. The person you've fired at doesn't need to send anything, other than data related to its potition. If you see a player in a specific area, you should be able to shoot him, even if he doesn't appear to be in that area on his own screen.

To put it in simpler terms:

The client doesn't tell the server "Hey, I just got shot!"

The server tells the client "Hey, you just got shot!"

That is, unless the netcode of console games is somehow dramatically different. Pretty much every PC game I've ever played online works in this manner.

punkbuster

They don't. The server admins and programs like Punkbuster and VAC do.

So what if you're the one with the bad ping...especially if it comes all of a sudden? Like I said, host-side network tampering.HuusAsking

I think I understand what you're talking about. The host can cause sudden bursts of "lag" for all other players in the game (by intentionally interrupting the connection) and use that to his advantage, since the gamestate takes place on his own machine. Pretty lame..and another reason why dedicated servers are great.

That doesn't look like what was going on in the video above, though. Not sure what it was, but it doesn't look like lag, nor host tampering.

dedicated servers fix this problem(Admins son).

dedicated servers fix this problem(Admins son).

soiheardyoulike

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="taidhg"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW8519KcMC8

Saying you can't hack on consoles is like saying you can't pirate on consoles.

Velocitas8

:lol:

If that's "lag", Halo 3 has some of the worst netcode ever.

Also, what about all the Left 4 Dead 360 hacking videos out there? I suppose spawning weapons, noclip, and god mode is just "lag", too :roll:

Like this 360 L4D Video, or This. :?

Disclaimer, These are not my Videos, I did Not bring these Videos to this Thread,

This Post does Not Exist, You're Seeing Stuff that Never happened, You're in Denial if you think you see this! ;)

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If People really Think Consoles Can't Be Hacked... Well I just Don't Know what to say, Within the rules of these Boards.:P

[QUOTE="primitive013"]

i use steam and they have an anticheat (VAC secured) to scan your game registry for hacks and cheats. but there are ways around it i think.

Redgarl

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"] Do you know what a glitch or lag is? Krayzie_3334

:lol:

If that's "lag", Halo 3 has some of the worst netcode ever.

Also, what about all the Left 4 Dead 360 hacking videos out there? I suppose spawning weapons, noclip, and god mode is just "lag", too :roll:

Like this 360 L4D Video, or This. :?

Disclaimer, These are not my Videos, I did Not bring these Videos to this Thread,

This Post does Not Exist, You're Seeing Stuff that Never happened, You're in Denial if you think you see this! ;)

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If People really Think Consoles Can't Be Hacked... Well I just Don't Know what to say, Within the rules of these Boards.:P

I used to play Combat Arms, and it has Punkbuster (yeah, I know it DOESN'T STOP EVERYTHING), but people still hacked, sadly. And it's not that hard to earn points.

Valve fault for leaving those codes in the game. These are exploits not hacks. A simple update gets rid of them and the L4D PCF had or has the same problem. I am sure people that do that can get their console on the ban wagon. I am sure I read valve already patched it.

Jamex1987

It's not an "exploit", it's a hack/modification to game files on the HDD which requires 3rd party tools to accomplish.

Also, quit pulling stuff out of your ass. I've played L4D from DAY ONE, and I've never seen this happen a single time on the PC version. Why? Because I play on dedicated servers. You need SERVER ADMINISTRATOR PRIVILEGES to accomplish this, which no outside player can achieve by playing on a dedicated server.

All you have to do in an XBL game is host the game to use the hacks in that video. Bam. Server admin status -- you can use developer commands at will. Admittedly, this can be accomplished on the PC version if you host a listen server..but most people dislike playing in that environment anyways (because dedicated servers run significantly better, and because the host can easily cheat in listen servers.)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Some games are worse than others. In CSS, that last time I encountered a cheater was years ago and he was instantly booted by an admin.

Jamex1987

Ban them, use VAC or punkbuster, etc. Console players exploit glitches as well, especially in the big name multiplayer games like Halo and Gears of War, ultimately making the game unbalanced and ruining it for a lot of people.

And GTAIV on PC is garbage. It's a poorly executed port and it's been known to have several issues.

Saturos3091

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Not hacks or cheats in console games? You must have been playing different ones to me.Legendaryscmt

So you're saying that PSN and Xbox Live are both 100% immune to cheating?

Their is no anti-cheat software in GTA4. Its a very easy to hack game. its a bad port for a reason you know.

[QUOTE="soiheardyoulike"]

dedicated servers fix this problem(Admins son).

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"] Yeah. Most games today have good anti-cheater stuff. People aren't dumb.w0lfbreeder

In cs there is always hackers but thats why there are admins, if no admin is present you just record a demo and report it to the servers forum.

In cs there is always hackers but thats why there are admins, if no admin is present you just record a demo and report it to the servers forum.

p3anut

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="soiheardyoulike"]

dedicated servers fix this problem(Admins son).

kidcool189

It's a known fact that there is a lot of cheating in many PC games but how do you deal with it? In GTA IV there is so much cheating that many people have stopped playing online. Cheating in GTA IV is so bad that basically every server has a cheater.They use god mode and spawn vehicles andin Battlefield they use unlimited strikes and drop unlimited vehicles. Crysis has a lot of cheating but hardly anyone play that online anymore.

One good thing about console games namely PS3 and 360 is that you can't hack and cheat. How do PC gamers deal with this?

Jamex1987

They don't.

They don't.

SpinoRaptor24