How does Nintendo expect the Wii to last? (very good read)

The more I think of it, it becomes increasing obvious that Nintendo has made a big mistake with the Wii. Sure it is selling well thanks to Nintendo's deceptive, yet effective tactic of creating artifical demand (sheep don't even try to use the word supply constrained), but will it last? No, not by a long shot.

One thing I noticed this holiday season is adoption of HD. Just about everyones' wish list this year includes an HDTV of some sort, whether it is 19" or 70" and everything in between. HD is catching on BIG time, I know because I just got my 40" Sony Bravia LCD HDTV with FULL HD 1080P support. The handheld market is different, the DS appeals mainly to a younger audience that is more interested in fun and quirky gaming, not multimedia support and high-end graphics. This is evident in DS to PSP sales. The DS is destined to win, while the PSP simply follows at a slower, but still steady second place.

Sheep and Nintendo can tout sales figures all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the Wii is severly underpowered. The whole PS2 vs GC and XBOX argument doesn't apply here, PS2 games actually looked better than some Xbox and most GC games, something the Wii has simply failed to do.

So what is in store for us come 2008 and beyond? Well, it is very simple. Complete domination by SONY with their powerful PLAYSTATION 3 while the Xbox 360 and Wii battle it out for second place, a mere 20% of the market at best. This is Sony's time to shine, anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves and denying the inevitable.

i stoped reading after the first line

why are 'good reads' never good reads?

i stoped reading after the first line

why are 'good reads' never good reads?

shadow_hosi

Because the people who refer to their own writing as a "good read" are arrogant asses?

I love this part:

"HD is catching on BIG time, I know because I just got my 40" Sony Bravia LCD HDTV with FULL HD 1080P support"

So HD is catching on BIG time, and you know because you BOUGHT one? What else is catching on because YOU bought it?

System Wars Rule #485: Never call your own post a "good read" because 99%, it isn't.

And this is one of those times.

There is no way the PS3 will win this season.

The xbox 360 just had a huge burst of great games in the last month or so and they are still coming. Plus the friendlier price tag, there is no doubt in my mind that the 360 will beat the PS3. Beating the Wii though seems to be a challenge. I also think that nintendo really needs to beef up the graphics but are stuck with the Wii now. The wii wont last long.

I game on an HDTV, and it does not bother me that much. I'd prefer SMG in HD, but I'll live.

And most people who buy HDTVs don't know much about them, and ususally don't get many real HD sources, so I doubt they would notice much either.

And Nintendo expects the Wii to last by selling alot. And hacing many games and segments of the population into gaming, like the DS.

In a Gamestop:

Casual customer: Hmmm... I'm interested in the way to play on this system. Actually swinging to hit the ball and stuff. How much is it?

Gamestop guy: 250$

CC: Cool, good price. Ok I will take it.

GG: Alright but... I gotta warn you... it's not capable of HD.

CC: Say what? What a f'n piece of crap!!!! Not HD??? You gotta be f'n kidding me??!!!! *leaves store frustrated*

^^Yeah.... won't happen.

Nintendo will last for quite a while. They have lots of games that appeal to everyone like hardcore gamers (Super Mario Galaxy, Zelda, Metroid Prime 3, Trauma Center, and I'm sure there are more to come), casual gamers (WarioWare, Rayman, Wii Sports, all that stuff), sports gamers (the new controls offer new and more in-depth possibilities, this is evident in some of the Madden games and MLB Power Pros), and all the like.

Besides, more powerful system doesn't equal 1st place. Look at the Game Gear and the PSP. They were more advanced for their time compared to other handhelds but they aren't winning.

I game on an HDTV, and it does not bother me that much. I'd prefer SMG in HD, but I'll live.

And most people who buy HDTVs don't know much about them, and ususally don't get many real HD sources, so I doubt they would notice much either.

And Nintendo expects the Wii to last by selling alot. And hacing many games and segments of the population into gaming, like the DS.

SpruceCaboose

I know someone who owns one and has no HD content what so ever being displayed on it. One thing thats makes me wish I still had SD is how bad PS2 and so games look. But out of that, I still play them despite it

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I game on an HDTV, and it does not bother me that much. I'd prefer SMG in HD, but I'll live.

And most people who buy HDTVs don't know much about them, and ususally don't get many real HD sources, so I doubt they would notice much either.

And Nintendo expects the Wii to last by selling alot. And hacing many games and segments of the population into gaming, like the DS.

ArisShadows

I know someone who owns one and has no HD content what so ever being displayed on it. One thing thats makes me wish I still had SD is how bad PS2 and so games look. But out of that, I still play them despite it

I have HD cable, but since it costs so much, I just have a very basic package, so I watch almost all cable TV as an SDTV feed, and I only watch HD feeds for football games and shows on CBS/NBC/ABC like CSI.

I also own no Blu-ray movies. So really, the only thing I enjoy in HD is some basic cable broadcasts (notably football) and PS3/360 content. And DVDs are upscaled on the 360, but that is not a true HD source either.

Note: The following post is considered a 'good read'

"Sure it is selling well thanks to Nintendo's deceptive, yet effective tactic of creating artifical demand (sheep don't even try to use the word supply constrained)"

If the strategy of creating an 'aritficial demand' is so damn effective, why doesn't Sony or MS do it? Can someone explain?

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I game on an HDTV, and it does not bother me that much. I'd prefer SMG in HD, but I'll live.

And most people who buy HDTVs don't know much about them, and ususally don't get many real HD sources, so I doubt they would notice much either.

And Nintendo expects the Wii to last by selling alot. And hacing many games and segments of the population into gaming, like the DS.

SpruceCaboose

I know someone who owns one and has no HD content what so ever being displayed on it. One thing thats makes me wish I still had SD is how bad PS2 and so games look. But out of that, I still play them despite it

I have HD cable, but since it costs so much, I just have a very basic package, so I watch almost all cable TV as an SDTV feed, and I only watch HD feeds for football games and shows on CBS/NBC/ABC like CSI.

I also own no Blu-ray movies. So really, the only thing I enjoy in HD is some basic cable broadcasts (notably football) and PS3/360 content. And DVDs are upscaled on the 360, but that is not a true HD source either.

Even if the wii didnt sell a single console for the next year the PS3 would have to sell twice as fast as it did this year just to catch up.

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I game on an HDTV, and it does not bother me that much. I'd prefer SMG in HD, but I'll live.

And most people who buy HDTVs don't know much about them, and ususally don't get many real HD sources, so I doubt they would notice much either.

And Nintendo expects the Wii to last by selling alot. And hacing many games and segments of the population into gaming, like the DS.

SpruceCaboose

I know someone who owns one and has no HD content what so ever being displayed on it. One thing thats makes me wish I still had SD is how bad PS2 and so games look. But out of that, I still play them despite it

I have HD cable, but since it costs so much, I just have a very basic package, so I watch almost all cable TV as an SDTV feed, and I only watch HD feeds for football games and shows on CBS/NBC/ABC like CSI.

I also own no Blu-ray movies. So really, the only thing I enjoy in HD is some basic cable broadcasts (notably football) and PS3/360 content. And DVDs are upscaled on the 360, but that is not a true HD source either.

Mine is just for my 360. No blueray, no HD-DVD, No HD Cable. I needed a new tv, found a good deal, got it. If I ever need it for anything more, I have it, but probably won't. I use it forupscaling DVD, as well. I won't get into any of that half-half HD disc formats, because generally I am not picking two sides when some movies goes here and others go there. DVD will be my way for a while now, plus the price. But thas another discussion.

Note: The following post is considered a 'good read'

"Sure it is selling well thanks to Nintendo's deceptive, yet effective tactic of creating artifical demand (sheep don't even try to use the word supply constrained)"

If the strategy of creating an 'aritficial demand' is so damn effective, why doesn't Sony or MS do it? Can someone explain?

flazzle

They created artifitial demand by selling faster than any other console in history. I mean come on, 14 million in its first year, that nothing.

(very good read)SergeantSnitch

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I game on an HDTV, and it does not bother me that much. I'd prefer SMG in HD, but I'll live.

And most people who buy HDTVs don't know much about them, and ususally don't get many real HD sources, so I doubt they would notice much either.

And Nintendo expects the Wii to last by selling alot. And hacing many games and segments of the population into gaming, like the DS.

SpruceCaboose

I know someone who owns one and has no HD content what so ever being displayed on it. One thing thats makes me wish I still had SD is how bad PS2 and so games look. But out of that, I still play them despite it

I have HD cable, but since it costs so much, I just have a very basic package, so I watch almost all cable TV as an SDTV feed, and I only watch HD feeds for football games and shows on CBS/NBC/ABC like CSI.

I also own no Blu-ray movies. So really, the only thing I enjoy in HD is some basic cable broadcasts (notably football) and PS3/360 content. And DVDs are upscaled on the 360, but that is not a true HD source either.

Note: The following post is considered a 'good read'

"Sure it is selling well thanks to Nintendo's deceptive, yet effective tactic of creating artifical demand (sheep don't even try to use the word supply constrained)"

If the strategy of creating an 'aritficial demand' is so damn effective, why doesn't Sony or MS do it? Can someone explain?

flazzle

If shipping 1.8 million consoles a month is creating artificial demand, then I don't know what you think MS and Sony are doing :lol:

The more I think of it, it becomes increasing obvious that Nintendo has made a big mistake with the Wii. Sure it is selling well thanks to Nintendo's deceptive, yet effective tactic of creating artifical demand (sheep don't even try to use the word supply constrained), but will it last? No, not by a long shot.

One thing I noticed this holiday season is adoption of HD. Just about everyones' wish list this year includes an HDTV of some sort, whether it is 19" or 70" and everything in between. HD is catching on BIG time, I know because I just got my 40" Sony Bravia LCD HDTV with FULL HD 1080P support. The handheld market is different, the DS appeals mainly to a younger audience that is more interested in fun and quirky gaming, not multimedia support and high-end graphics. This is evident in DS to PSP sales. The DS is destined to win, while the PSP simply follows at a slower, but still steady second place.

Sheep and Nintendo can tout sales figures all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the Wii is severly underpowered. The whole PS2 vs GC and XBOX argument doesn't apply here, PS2 games actually looked better than some Xbox and most GC games, something the Wii has simply failed to do.

So what is in store for us come 2008 and beyond? Well, it is very simple. Complete domination by SONY with their powerful PLAYSTATION 3 while the Xbox 360 and Wii battle it out for second place, a mere 20% of the market at best. This is Sony's time to shine, anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves and denying the inevitable.

SergeantSnitch

lol, do publishers decide their future exclusive projects based on future sales or current sales?

The PS3 is gonna be pretty lucky to ever see Gamecube type success.

Everyone buying a Wii knows that its not an HD system. They know that graphically its the weakest. This isn't some revelation to them. TVs could be 7498732987429p and people would still want to play fun games. Thats what Nintendo is capitalizing on. The PS2/"Graphics = Gameplay" generation doesn't get it... but most other gamers and the general public still focuses on gameplay. The Wii is fun to play. Thats why people are buying it.

Back in the SNES and PS1 days, a game with great graphics but crappy gameplay was called "Eye Candy" and nothing else. Now they call it AAA. Gaming has taken a serious nose-dive overall. The Wii is actually a bright spot since its a system that can't rely on graphics and therefore has to rely solely on games. It saddening to hear people say that Super Mario Galaxy is a bad game, not because of gameplay, but because it has bright colors in it. WTF? What kind of gamer totally ignores gameplay? New flash: Nintendo isn't trying to appeal to that type of gamer. Maybe thats why they've seen such mammoth success this time around from non-gamers and gameplay-gamers alike.

Also, this topic is a total farce. The Wii isn't gonna just "not last" or "die off" in a couple months. That's the most rediculious thing I've ever heard.

Nintendo has the most hardcore and rabid fanbase, period. I'm not talking about fanboys, or "hardcore" gamers, I'm talking about the about 10,000,000 gamers who are gonna buy the Wii, only the Wii, and play it exclusively until the next Nintendo console comes out. Just like the Gamecube.

Speaking of the Gamecube, it sold what, about 18,000,000 units? The Wii will surpass that in march, before supply catches up with demand. Do I need to remind you that the gamecube stayed alive all of last generation.

To say the Wii might not end up in first place is an opinion, but claiming it will die and won't last, with baseless accusations based on graphics? That's just impossible.

Guess what, the chances of the PS3 dying are a million times greater than the chances of the Wii dying. The Wii already has the most third party support, and will pass 360 in games available in early '08. These are facts. You want a link?

ps2 games looked better than gc games? ...... there goes your credibilityamtentori

[QUOTE="amtentori"]ps2 games looked better than gc games? ...... there goes your credibilitySergeantSnitch

How can you claim to be a graphics.......seller of your body on the street.....PS3 fanboy, and not know the box and the Cube had way better graphics than any PS2 games last gen.

RE4gcn vs RE4ps2, Twilight Princess. You lose.

You know, when I see the words "very good read" I typically expect to see an article from a well respected gaming journalist or at the very least an analyst. Coming in to find this drivel is mildly insulting. HDTV sales have been on the rise for 2 years now and yet that doesn't seem to be slowing the sales of the Wii down, so bye-bye to that myth.

Second of all the "PS2 vs. Xbox and GC" statement DOES apply and if nothing else is more prevelent than last generation. Compared to it's competitors it is severely underpowered and yet has sold as much in their first year than MS did in 2. As for Sony, I'm sure they'd love to have you enthusiasm, but that's hard to have when you are trailing behind wondering how you've been dethroned(seeing the warnings would have been a good clue though), but the power of their system has not done a thing for them in sales, despite all that you have touted. Do you how many PS3's would have to sell monthly for your figures(them being in first while second place having %20 market share)? Their sales would have to be higher than the Wii's best month, EVERY month(not happening) and the 360 and Wii sales would almost have to drop altogether(also not happening).

Delusional? Look at your own insights before accusing anyone else of that, sparky.

The more I think of it, it becomes increasing obvious that Nintendo has made a big mistake with the Wii.

Yet its destroying everything in sales

Sure it is selling well thanks to Nintendo's deceptive, yet effective tactic of creating artifical demand (sheep don't even try to use the word supply constrained), but will it last? No, not by a long shot.

Outselling the competition combined while supposively supply constrained. What happens when its not supply constrained?

One thing I noticed this holiday season is adoption of HD. Just about everyones' wish list this year includes an HDTV of some sort, whether it is 19" or 70" and everything in between.

LINK lol

HD is catching on BIG time, I know because I just got my 40" Sony Bravia LCD HDTV with FULL HD 1080P support.

So you determine the gaming market by what you buy? In that case since more people buy the Wii they have more influence then you do.

The handheld market is different, the DS appeals mainly to a younger audience that is more interested in fun and quirky gaming, not multimedia support and high-end graphics. This is evident in DS to PSP sales. The DS is destined to win, while the PSP simply follows at a slower, but still steady second place.

Sheep and Nintendo can tout sales figures all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the Wii is severly underpowered.

Wait I thought you were asking how it the Wii supposed to last but now you are talking about Nintendo/Sheep touting sales figures lol

The whole PS2 vs GC and XBOX argument doesn't apply here, PS2 games actually looked better than some Xbox and most GC games, something the Wii has simply failed to do.

So what is in store for us come 2008 and beyond? Well, it is very simple. Complete domination by SONY with their powerful PLAYSTATION 3 while the Xbox 360 and Wii battle it out for second place, a mere 20% of the market at best.

Do yourself a favor. Use your Psychic powers to win the lottery and buy some common sense. To say that the Wii and 360 will be fighting for 20% of the market at best would mean that PS3 would have to shatter every sales record in gaming history to accomplish a feat like that. It would have to outsell the Wii by more then 10:1 each month for a year.

This is Sony's time to shine, anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves and denying the inevitable.

Please fakeboy. You try to hard.

SergeantSnitch

This guys whole post is Gutter Trash.

You think PS3 is going to win?

WiiFit says no.

Hey man -- I see what you're saying. When I play my Wii on my HD set, it's a little bit dissapointing. But people need to get things straight - it doesn't look bad either.

It still has widescreen. It still has dolby surround sound. Sure, the numbers aren't as good as Sony's and Microsoft's, but when I play the Wii... it's totally different. Don't get me wrong - I've played the 360 (I've never got my hands on a PS3... none of my friends have one) tons of times, and it's a great system. But the fact is the only thing consumers see when they look at the Wii is a simple box (no numbers), a smaller price tag, and something that even they can enjoy.

That's where the Wii wins out.

[QUOTE="amtentori"]ps2 games looked better than gc games? ...... there goes your credibilitySergeantSnitch

MP, windwaker, and RE4 say otherwise. Besides, didnt Twin Snakes have the same Graphics as MGS2?

You know, when I see the words "very good read" I typically expect to see an article from a well respected gaming journalist or at the very least an analyst. Coming in to find this drivel is mildly insulting. HDTV sales have been on the rise for 2 years now and yet that doesn't seem to be slowing the sales of the Wii down, so bye-bye to that myth.

Second of all the "PS2 vs. Xbox and GC" statement DOES apply and if nothing else is more prevelent than last generation. Compared to it's competitors it is severely underpowered and yet has sold as much in their first year than MS did in 2. As for Sony, I'm sure they'd love to have you enthusiasm, but that's hard to have when you are trailing behind wondering how you've been dethroned(seeing the warnings would have been a good clue though), but the power of their system has not done a thing for them in sales, despite all that you have touted. Do you how many PS3's would have to sell monthly for your figures(them being in first while second place having %20 market share)? Their sales would have to be higher than the Wii's best month, EVERY month(not happening) and the 360 and Wii sales would almost have to drop altogether(also not happening).

Delusional? Look at your own insights before accusing anyone else of that, sparky.

Gemini_Red

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="amtentori"]ps2 games looked better than gc games? ...... there goes your credibilitylaughingman42

MP, windwaker, and RE4 say otherwise. Besides, didnt Twin Snakes have the same Graphics as MGS2?

[QUOTE="Gemini_Red"]

You know, when I see the words "very good read" I typically expect to see an article from a well respected gaming journalist or at the very least an analyst. Coming in to find this drivel is mildly insulting. HDTV sales have been on the rise for 2 years now and yet that doesn't seem to be slowing the sales of the Wii down, so bye-bye to that myth.

Second of all the "PS2 vs. Xbox and GC" statement DOES apply and if nothing else is more prevelent than last generation. Compared to it's competitors it is severely underpowered and yet has sold as much in their first year than MS did in 2. As for Sony, I'm sure they'd love to have you enthusiasm, but that's hard to have when you are trailing behind wondering how you've been dethroned(seeing the warnings would have been a good clue though), but the power of their system has not done a thing for them in sales, despite all that you have touted. Do you how many PS3's would have to sell monthly for your figures(them being in first while second place having %20 market share)? Their sales would have to be higher than the Wii's best month, EVERY month(not happening) and the 360 and Wii sales would almost have to drop altogether(also not happening).

Delusional? Look at your own insights before accusing anyone else of that, sparky.

SergeantSnitch

I've been posting for weeks now and it still hasn't lost its novelty that cows actually exist.

lmao...what a joke.....your console is priceless.....LMAO Priceless!!!

[QUOTE="Gemini_Red"]

You know, when I see the words "very good read" I typically expect to see an article from a well respected gaming journalist or at the very least an analyst. Coming in to find this drivel is mildly insulting. HDTV sales have been on the rise for 2 years now and yet that doesn't seem to be slowing the sales of the Wii down, so bye-bye to that myth.

Second of all the "PS2 vs. Xbox and GC" statement DOES apply and if nothing else is more prevelent than last generation. Compared to it's competitors it is severely underpowered and yet has sold as much in their first year than MS did in 2. As for Sony, I'm sure they'd love to have you enthusiasm, but that's hard to have when you are trailing behind wondering how you've been dethroned(seeing the warnings would have been a good clue though), but the power of their system has not done a thing for them in sales, despite all that you have touted. Do you how many PS3's would have to sell monthly for your figures(them being in first while second place having %20 market share)? Their sales would have to be higher than the Wii's best month, EVERY month(not happening) and the 360 and Wii sales would almost have to drop altogether(also not happening).

Delusional? Look at your own insights before accusing anyone else of that, sparky.

SergeantSnitch

And yet despite all this the Wii continues to sell at a remarkable rate with no sign of slowing, proving that the the remark about inferior tech does not equal worst system still holds true this generation. Is that so hard to follow for you?

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="amtentori"]ps2 games looked better than gc games? ...... there goes your credibilitylaughingman42

MP, windwaker, and RE4 say otherwise. Besides, didnt Twin Snakes have the same Graphics as MGS2?

Obviously, saying otherwise would be wrong. I own a PS2 and gamecube, and I know of which has better graphics. Twin Snakes had better graphics than MGS2, because I got into MGS2 from the remake on the gamecube side, and even though it looked great, I forgot it wouldnt look up to the Twin Snakes MGS1 game on gamecube. Sometimes I really consider than guy is pulling our leg, still have my thoughts of this guy being fake. Who knows.