How has the PS3 outsold the X360?

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#101 asdasd
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PS3, 1.5 million sold, 360= 10.5 million sold.
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PS3 out - a little over 3 months in 2 regions. 360 out - 16 months out in all regions.
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#102 mwa
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lmao worst fanboy of the year award goes to TC
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#103 mpalacio
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I think you Kiwi offer a weak argument. It makes me laugh that everyone one this site tries to back up claims based on one or two resources; being 360, Sony, PC, or Wii fanboys you seriously need to post at least 5 different resources with different studies all showing your point. Then it will be valid. Otherwise, it's just one person's study and that could be completely bias or skewed. Show me at least 5 studies that have the same results and then I will consider your argument.  
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#104 wiebs
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hmmm, i dont think that sony has sold 200 million playstations has anything to do with it.
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#105 tool_rage
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To answer your question, Sony is selling well even though it has a lack of games and is expensive because it's had a long lime to establish a fan-base and has done so very well, almost disgustingly (see GS members: Trading_Zoner, KeeWii, GermanShepard06 or xxThyLordxx for examples)  The Xbox launched in 2001 making it almost 6 years old, while the Playstation launched in 1994, and so has had almost 13 years to get a loyal fan-base who will continue to purchase their systems regardless of quality. (not that the PS3 is of bad quality)

Now KeeWii, I have a question for you:
How do fanboys get as bad as you? 
You've become to Playstation in SW what 'darth-pyschosis' is to Nintendo.
I know you're a full on Playstation fanboy, but your threads are getting more and more ridiculous. 
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That's comparing a 1 year old console to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.KeyWii

I don't care what its comparing. It is the way industry compares things. Ford was around before Chevy. Chevy still outsells Fords now, don't they? You don't see Bill Ford saying things like, you have to compare Model T sales to the Cla-s-sic Six.
    Yes they will win March, since the Euro launch. But wait til holiday 2007. You might be suprised.
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#107 Sgt_Hale
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PS3, 1.5 million sold, 360= 10.5 million sold.
jd7-03

Actually it's 2M for the PS3 and 9.6M for the 360.... and the TC's point is that the PS3 reached 2M a lot quicker with LESS games. No matter whether or not you'd like to admit it, you know that's not good news for the 360 in a console war... this won't be the first time that a Sony console has come from behind for the win.

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#108 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"]That's comparing a 1 year old console to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.SpruceCaboose

I don't care what its comparing. It is the way industry compares things. Ford was around before Chevy. Chevy still outsells Fords now, don't they? You don't see Bill Ford saying things like, you have to compare Model T sales to the forbidden>

Did Chevy outsell Ford right off the bat? The answer is no. Self-owned.
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#109 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="jd7-03"]PS3, 1.5 million sold, 360= 10.5 million sold.
Sgt_Hale

Actually it's 2M for the PS3 and 9.6M for the 360.... and the TC's point is that the PS3 reached 2M a lot quicker with LESS games. No matter whether or not you'd like to admit it, you know that's not good news for the 360 in a console war... this won't be the first time that a Sony console has come from behind for the win.


    Actually it depends on what "Guess site" you want to go with...
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#110 aDDiKt24
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[QUOTE="cheatymcshifty"]I like how all the MS fanboys are bashing keywii for arguing on fair ground, then saying it's only fair to compare the 16 month old system to the 4 month old one.. ya.. that makes sense... Pretty much every console sells better as it goes on (with the 2nd and 3rd years being the biggest) Ps2 sold 24 million units one year.. and it wasent its first... 360 will probably keep selling more for awile... but your much more of a fanboy if you think it's fair to compare the systems as is, but unfair to compare them on a time-by-time basis..



No we just believe in comparing the latest figures to see how the console war is going NOW! Why use old data? The 2 consoles are facing off against each other on a day to day basis and you want us to use old data. Why? Because it suits you? Whats fair is comparing sales month by month as we go, not looking back and comparing something from 2006 to something from 2007. Are you that stupid that you need to rely on old figures to try and claim your console a minor victory?
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#111 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]That's comparing a 1 year old console to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.KeyWii

I don't care what its comparing. It is the way industry compares things. Ford was around before Chevy. Chevy still outsells Fords now, don't they? You don't see Bill Ford saying things like, you have to compare Model T sales to the forbidden>

Did Chevy outsell Ford right off the bat? The answer is no. Self-owned.


    Who cares? At launch Ford (PS3) won. Now Chevy(360) is winning. Therefore, Chevy is in the much stronger industry position, right now.
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#112 Sicknic
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How many hours can we go without a PS3/360 outsell thread? I think it a case of...

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That was a really fun game...
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#113 THEKING1337
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    Here KeyWii, since you obviously want to see things your way, as evidenced by the massive amounts of times you have pulled this garbage arguement out, I will show you why it is flawed at the very least.
    1. The Xbox 360 had some momentum at launch, but it was still rather tepid since a majority of gamers were still waiting to see what Sony and Nintendo had in store for the next gen of gaming before they spent $400 on a system.
    2. The Xbox 360, at least in the US, had very small shipments until at least Feb 2006 due to manufacturing and the worldwide launch.
    3. The Xbox had a userbase of 23 million or so users worldwide. Not many of Sony's 120 million were ready to leap to a 360 until they knew what Sony was going to do.

    The PS3, on the other hand, had the benefit of massive amounts of hype at the gate, and the public knew exactly what Nintendo and Microsoft were offering for their "next gen" systems.
    The PS3 also had stock in stores by middle Jan, and then did not have to worry about product going to Europe that would lessen US supplies.
    And the PS3 follows a system with a userbase at least 3 times as large as the Xbox.
   
    And yet, since the PS3's launch, the Xbox 360 has continually outsold it during the same time frame. Not launch to launch, but right here, right now, day to day. They are on equal footing now, and the PS3 cannot outdo the 360.
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/thread. and ketwii,you just got ran out of system wars.
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#114 tool_rage
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[QUOTE="tool_rage"]To answer your question, Sony is selling well even though it has a lack of games and is expensive because it's had a long lime to establish a fan-base and has done so very well, almost disgustingly (see GS members: Trading_Zoner, KeeWii, GermanShepard06 or xxThyLordxx for examples) The Xbox launched in 2001 making it almost 6 years old, while the Playstation launched in 1994, and so has had almost 13 years to get a loyal fan-base who will continue to purchase their systems regardless of quality. (not that the PS3 is of bad quality)

Now KeeWii, I have a question for you:
How do fanboys get as bad as you?
You've become to Playstation in SW what 'darth-pyschosis' is to Nintendo.
I know you're a full on Playstation fanboy, but your threads are getting more and more ridiculous.

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#115 THEKING1337
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]That's comparing a 1 year old console to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.KeyWii

I don't care what its comparing. It is the way industry compares things. Ford was around before Chevy. Chevy still outsells Fords now, don't they? You don't see Bill Ford saying things like, you have to compare Model T sales to the forbidden>

Did Chevy outsell Ford right off the bat? The answer is no. Self-owned.

your responses are never wity.
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#116 Sgt_Hale
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[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]

[QUOTE="jd7-03"]PS3, 1.5 million sold, 360= 10.5 million sold.
SpruceCaboose

Actually it's 2M for the PS3 and 9.6M for the 360.... and the TC's point is that the PS3 reached 2M a lot quicker with LESS games. No matter whether or not you'd like to admit it, you know that's not good news for the 360 in a console war... this won't be the first time that a Sony console has come from behind for the win.


    Actually it depends on what "Guess site" you want to go with...

No matter which site you look at, the PS3 is selling units at a faster pace with less games

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#117 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]That's comparing a 1 year old console to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.SpruceCaboose

I don't care what its comparing. It is the way industry compares things. Ford was around before Chevy. Chevy still outsells Fords now, don't they? You don't see Bill Ford saying things like, you have to compare Model T sales to the forbidden>

Did Chevy outsell Ford right off the bat? The answer is no. Self-owned.


Who cares? At launch Ford (PS3) won. Now Chevy(360) is winning. Therefore, Chevy is in the much stronger industry position, right now.

"Who cares?" You must. You brought up the flawed analogy You see, Ford was around before Chevy. So how can the PS3 be Ford?
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#118 ko_threat
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[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]No link of sales saying PS3 is doing better than the 360 = fail. KeyWii


If im reading that graph correctly, its a really crappy one -.- Its claiming that the wii only had 1.5 million sold at the end of the third month. If im correct its well above 4 million. And PS3 was above 1 million by month 3 as well. -.-
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#119 SpruceCaboose
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    Look, the simple FACT, without spinning anything, is that the 360 is clearly the leader in this gen sales. Followed up by the Wii, and bringing up the rear is the PS3.
    Die-hard cows can say "wait for it" all they want, but facts are there, plain as day. Right now, not in some distant future, the 360 is selling better than the PS3. It has a 7 million or so lead in sales, and the Wii is dominating current sales data.
    That leaves the PS3 out of luck unless Sony does something major, and soon. Sony needs a price-cut, a few HUGE exclusive titles, or both, to make a good run of the sales. If not, the 360 and PS3 are just to similar for one to make much head-way against the other.
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#120 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]That's comparing a 1 year old console to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.KeyWii

I don't care what its comparing. It is the way industry compares things. Ford was around before Chevy. Chevy still outsells Fords now, don't they? You don't see Bill Ford saying things like, you have to compare Model T sales to the forbidden>

Did Chevy outsell Ford right off the bat? The answer is no. Self-owned.


Who cares? At launch Ford (PS3) won. Now Chevy(360) is winning. Therefore, Chevy is in the much stronger industry position, right now.

"Who cares?" You must. You brought up the flawed analogy You see, Ford was around before Chevy. So how can the PS3 be Ford?


    PSOne existed before Xbox.
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#121 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]No link of sales saying PS3 is doing better than the 360 = fail. ko_threat


If im reading that graph correctly, its a really crappy one -.- Its claiming that the wii only had 1.5 million sold at the end of the third month. If im correct its well above 4 million. And PS3 was above 1 million by month 3 as well. -.-

That chart is for the US only.
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#122 aDDiKt24
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I do expect the PS3 to outsell the 360 this month because it is launching in Europe and Australia in March. So when the PS3 does outsell the 360 on a month to month basis, only then will it be alright with the cows to compare. Correct?
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] And where are those "stronger sales"? Going to the Wii? Some to the 360?
KeyWii
Now you're pretending like you never even read the first page of the thread. The PS3 has outsold X360 despite everything the X360 had going for it and everything the PS3 had going against it. Face it.


Give me sales numbers from November 2006, December 2006, January 2007, and February 2007 and tell me the PS3 is outselling the 360.

That's comparing a 1 year old console available on a global scale to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.

Yes but the comparison is still considered lopside since the PS3 had more units on the market at launch than the X360 a.k.a. Sony supplied the demand whereas MS didn't. You couldn't find an X360 for months anywhere but if you wanted a PS3 in december all you had to do is walk to your nearest store. Supply and demand is the name of the game.

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]It has not outsold the 360 anywhere but Japan. Not in total sales, not in US sales, and not in European sales.KeyWii
Wrong. Read the first page graphs before pretending to know what you're talking about.


Again, you are using VGCharts graphs of launch frame to launch time frame. I know what I am talking about, and that is a flawed comparison to say the least.

It is a valid comparison, and the only way to compare both fairly and accurately. Because the PS3 has not been out on the market for the same time period. You would rather me compare a 16 month year old consoles' total sales to a 4 month old consoles total sales. That is a flawed comparison, and anyone who can perform simple math knows who comes out on top.

You are correct but closed minded people will NEVER understand, they are to busy disagreeing just to disagree, thanks for your post, I see you logic
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#125 thinicer
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I do expect the PS3 to outsell the 360 next month because it is launching in Europe and Australia in March. So when the PS3 does outsell the 360 on a month to month basis, only then will it be alright with the cows to compare. Correct?aDDiKt24


I think this thread is referring only to North America.
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#126 SpruceCaboose
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I do expect the PS3 to outsell the 360 next month because it is launching in Europe and Australia in March. So when the PS3 does outsell the 360 on a month to month basis, only then will it be alright with the cows to compare. Correct?aDDiKt24

    Seems like it, and as soon as the sales swing back to the 360, its back to the first three months they were out.
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#127 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]That's comparing a 1 year old console to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.SpruceCaboose

I don't care what its comparing. It is the way industry compares things. Ford was around before Chevy. Chevy still outsells Fords now, don't they? You don't see Bill Ford saying things like, you have to compare Model T sales to the forbidden>

Did Chevy outsell Ford right off the bat? The answer is no. Self-owned.


Who cares? At launch Ford (PS3) won. Now Chevy(360) is winning. Therefore, Chevy is in the much stronger industry position, right now.

"Who cares?" You must. You brought up the flawed analogy You see, Ford was around before Chevy. So how can the PS3 be Ford?


PSOne existed before Xbox.

Too bad you already labeled the PS3 as ford and the X360 as chevy in your quote above.
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#128 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]It has not outsold the 360 anywhere but Japan. Not in total sales, not in US sales, and not in European sales.tankg11
Wrong. Read the first page graphs before pretending to know what you're talking about.


Again, you are using VGCharts graphs of launch frame to launch time frame. I know what I am talking about, and that is a flawed comparison to say the least.

It is a valid comparison, and the only way to compare both fairly and accurately. Because the PS3 has not been out on the market for the same time period. You would rather me compare a 16 month year old consoles' total sales to a 4 month old consoles total sales. That is a flawed comparison, and anyone who can perform simple math knows who comes out on top.

You are correct but closed minded people will NEVER understand, they are to busy disagreeing just to disagree, thanks for your post, I see you logic


    Close minded? I own a 360 and a Wii, and I plan on getting a PS3 after a price drop. KeyWii is the one who uses whatever bunk he can to make his claims about the PS3s suposed superiority.
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3. The Xbox had a userbase of 23 million or so users worldwide. Not many of Sony's 120 million were ready to leap to a 360 until they knew what Sony was going to do.SpruceCaboose
Yet, the PS2 is still outselling the 360. Guess what, most people are not ready yet for the next gen consoles. As showed by the fact that people are willing to rather buy a cheap 7 year old system, than a expensive year old system. This first 16 months mean NOTHING for the 360. Most people are not going to go to the next gen consoles for another 2-3 years.
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#130 SpruceCaboose
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Too bad you already labeled the PS3 as ford and the X360 as chevy in your quote above.KeyWii

    Fine Mr. Spin. Argue this:
    The simple FACT, without spinning anything, is that the 360 is clearly the leader in this gen sales as of right now. Followed up by the Wii, and bringing up the rear is the PS3.
    You can say "wait for it" all you want, but facts are there, plain as day. Right now, not in some distant future, the 360 is selling better than the PS3 is. The 360 has a 7 million or so lead in sales, and the Wii is dominating current sales data.
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#131 ko_threat
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Too bad you already labeled the PS3 as ford and the X360 as chevy in your quote above.SpruceCaboose

    Fine Mr. Spin. Argue this:
    The simple FACT, without spinning anything, is that the 360 is clearly the leader in this gen sales as of right now. Followed up by the Wii, and bringing up the rear is the PS3.
    You can say "wait for it" all you want, but facts are there, plain as day. Right now, not in some distant future, the 360 is selling better than the PS3 is. The 360 has a 7 million or so lead in sales, and the Wii is dominating current sales data.

This man speaks the truth. Though this can change :O
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#132 aDDiKt24
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[QUOTE="aDDiKt24"]I do expect the PS3 to outsell the 360 next month because it is launching in Europe and Australia in March. So when the PS3 does outsell the 360 on a month to month basis, only then will it be alright with the cows to compare. Correct?thinicer


I think this thread is referring only to North America.



No keywii stated that "we" should be ready for the PS3 to outsell the 360 in March. He is correct. He is referring to the launches in Europe and Australia. Its fine with him to use figures from anywhere as long as his system wins. True to cow form! Keywii you are seriously drowning in your own words. Selfowned?
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#133 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] 3. The Xbox had a userbase of 23 million or so users worldwide. Not many of Sony's 120 million were ready to leap to a 360 until they knew what Sony was going to do.Thrice_III
Yet, the PS2 is still outselling the 360. Guess what, most people are not ready yet for the next gen consoles. As showed by the fact that people are willing to rather buy a cheap 7 year old system, than a expensive year old system. This first 16 months mean NOTHING for the 360. Most people are not going to go to the next gen consoles for another 2-3 years.


    It meant a 7 million unit lead over the PS3 and Wii. Granted, the Wii has erased most of that, and its only gotten bigger with the PS3...
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#134 Thrice_III
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] And where are those "stronger sales"? Going to the Wii? Some to the 360?
RaveRabbid

Now you're pretending like you never even read the first page of the thread. The PS3 has outsold X360 despite everything the X360 had going for it and everything the PS3 had going against it. Face it.


Give me sales numbers from November 2006, December 2006, January 2007, and February 2007 and tell me the PS3 is outselling the 360.

That's comparing a 1 year old console available on a global scale to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.

Yes but the comparison is still considered lopside since the PS3 had more units on the market at launch than the X360 a.k.a. Sony supplied the demand whereas MS didn't. You couldn't find an X360 for months anywhere but if you wanted a PS3 in december all you had to do is walk to your nearest store. Supply and demand is the name of the game.

As stated in the other posts. You couldn't find a 360 because they were supplying them to MANY MORE territories. If the PS3 was supplying to that many regions it would have the same shortages.
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#135 LiquidMetal14
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] 3. The Xbox had a userbase of 23 million or so users worldwide. Not many of Sony's 120 million were ready to leap to a 360 until they knew what Sony was going to do.Thrice_III
Yet, the PS2 is still outselling the 360. Guess what, most people are not ready yet for the next gen consoles. As showed by the fact that people are willing to rather buy a cheap 7 year old system, than a expensive year old system. This first 16 months mean NOTHING for the 360. Most people are not going to go to the next gen consoles for another 2-3 years.

Very good point.
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#136 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]Too bad you already labeled the PS3 as ford and the X360 as chevy in your quote above.ko_threat

Fine Mr. Spin. Argue this:
The simple FACT, without spinning anything, is that the 360 is clearly the leader in this gen sales as of right now. Followed up by the Wii, and bringing up the rear is the PS3.
You can say "wait for it" all you want, but facts are there, plain as day. Right now, not in some distant future, the 360 is selling better than the PS3 is. The 360 has a 7 million or so lead in sales, and the Wii is dominating current sales data.

This man speaks the truth. Though this can change :O


    I'm not saying it can't, but I think the PS3 and 360 are to similar for one to massively out sell the other without something like a big price cut or a few great exclusive titles. I don't see either selling like the Wii is anytime soon.
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#137 Thrice_III
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[QUOTE="Thrice_III"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] 3. The Xbox had a userbase of 23 million or so users worldwide. Not many of Sony's 120 million were ready to leap to a 360 until they knew what Sony was going to do.SpruceCaboose
Yet, the PS2 is still outselling the 360. Guess what, most people are not ready yet for the next gen consoles. As showed by the fact that people are willing to rather buy a cheap 7 year old system, than a expensive year old system. This first 16 months mean NOTHING for the 360. Most people are not going to go to the next gen consoles for another 2-3 years.


It meant a 7 million unit lead over the PS3 and Wii. Granted, the Wii has erased most of that, and its only gotten bigger with the PS3...

Ok. I sounded like you were saying that people were waiting for the PS3 to make their decision and are now backing out of it. Which is correct but only for a small user base. Most people weren't waiting for the PS3 because most people are still fine with a current gen console.(they don't want to spend $400 plus on a console)
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#138 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Too bad you already labeled the PS3 as ford and the X360 as chevy in your quote above.SpruceCaboose

Fine Mr. Spin. Argue this:
The simple FACT, without spinning anything, is that the 360 is clearly the leader in this gen sales as of right now. Followed up by the Wii, and bringing up the rear is the PS3.
You can say "wait for it" all you want, but facts are there, plain as day. Right now, not in some distant future, the 360 is selling better than the PS3 is. The 360 has a 7 million or so lead in sales, and the Wii is dominating current sales data.

Your little analogy backfired (badly). There was no spin to it.
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#139 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Thrice_III"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] 3. The Xbox had a userbase of 23 million or so users worldwide. Not many of Sony's 120 million were ready to leap to a 360 until they knew what Sony was going to do.Thrice_III
Yet, the PS2 is still outselling the 360. Guess what, most people are not ready yet for the next gen consoles. As showed by the fact that people are willing to rather buy a cheap 7 year old system, than a expensive year old system. This first 16 months mean NOTHING for the 360. Most people are not going to go to the next gen consoles for another 2-3 years.


It meant a 7 million unit lead over the PS3 and Wii. Granted, the Wii has erased most of that, and its only gotten bigger with the PS3...

Ok. I sounded like you were saying that people were waiting for the PS3 to make their decision and are now backing out of it. Which is correct but only for a small user base. Most people weren't waiting for the PS3 because most people are still fine with a current gen console.(they don't want to spend $400 plus on a console)


    Most casual gamers won't spend more than $300 on a system. I was saying the more hardcore (non fanboys) were waiting on the 360 partly to see what Sony and Nintendo would be offering.
    Its obvious that the Wii hit a sweet-spot in gaming this gen, and if MS was smart, they would cut down to $300 for the holidays and Halo 3, while the PS3 is still losing too much money to follow the price drop.
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#140 cobrax80
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people are dumbWIIRUS

great observation.

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[QUOTE="tankg11"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]It has not outsold the 360 anywhere but Japan. Not in total sales, not in US sales, and not in European sales.SpruceCaboose
Wrong. Read the first page graphs before pretending to know what you're talking about.


Again, you are using VGCharts graphs of launch frame to launch time frame. I know what I am talking about, and that is a flawed comparison to say the least.

It is a valid comparison, and the only way to compare both fairly and accurately. Because the PS3 has not been out on the market for the same time period. You would rather me compare a 16 month year old consoles' total sales to a 4 month old consoles total sales. That is a flawed comparison, and anyone who can perform simple math knows who comes out on top.

You are correct but closed minded people will NEVER understand, they are to busy disagreeing just to disagree, thanks for your post, I see you logic


Close minded? I own a 360 and a Wii, and I plan on getting a PS3 after a price drop. KeyWii is the one who uses whatever bunk he can to make his claims about the PS3s suposed superiority.

The majority of the people in SW believe that the Ps3 is selling bad, because the 360 has such and such # of systems sold, at this time the PS3 is only 4-5 months in and most think that it is a failure, which is incorrect, look at kiwi's logic and agree to disagree, if you don;t like kim or whatever then case that is fine but this post has solid ground, men lie, stats don't
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#142 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]Too bad you already labeled the PS3 as ford and the X360 as chevy in your quote above.KeyWii

Fine Mr. Spin. Argue this:
The simple FACT, without spinning anything, is that the 360 is clearly the leader in this gen sales as of right now. Followed up by the Wii, and bringing up the rear is the PS3.
You can say "wait for it" all you want, but facts are there, plain as day. Right now, not in some distant future, the 360 is selling better than the PS3 is. The 360 has a 7 million or so lead in sales, and the Wii is dominating current sales data.

Your little analogy backfired (badly). There was no spin to it.


    I said I miffed the analogy. But you just dodged all the facts because there is no way to squirm out of them.
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#143 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="WIIRUS"]people are dumbcobrax80

great observation.

People are smart when it comes to money. And people know they got screwed if they bought an Xbox, meanwhile, their investment into the PS2 was very worthwhile. This trust goes a long way into the success of the PS3 and the slow and steady decline of the 360.
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#144 Thrice_III
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[QUOTE="Thrice_III"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Thrice_III"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] 3. The Xbox had a userbase of 23 million or so users worldwide. Not many of Sony's 120 million were ready to leap to a 360 until they knew what Sony was going to do.SpruceCaboose
Yet, the PS2 is still outselling the 360. Guess what, most people are not ready yet for the next gen consoles. As showed by the fact that people are willing to rather buy a cheap 7 year old system, than a expensive year old system. This first 16 months mean NOTHING for the 360. Most people are not going to go to the next gen consoles for another 2-3 years.


It meant a 7 million unit lead over the PS3 and Wii. Granted, the Wii has erased most of that, and its only gotten bigger with the PS3...

Ok. I sounded like you were saying that people were waiting for the PS3 to make their decision and are now backing out of it. Which is correct but only for a small user base. Most people weren't waiting for the PS3 because most people are still fine with a current gen console.(they don't want to spend $400 plus on a console)


Most casual gamers won't spend more than $300 on a system. I was saying the more hardcore (non fanboys) were waiting on the 360 partly to see what Sony and Nintendo would be offering.
Its obvious that the Wii hit a sweet-spot in gaming this gen, and if MS was smart, they would cut down to $300 for the holidays and Halo 3, while the PS3 is still losing too much money to follow the price drop.

I agree. Microsoft should really lower the price around Summer time and got for the kill, especially since the PS3 doesn't have many killerapps till after summer time.
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#145 ko_threat
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[QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="WIIRUS"]people are dumbKeyWii

great observation.

People are smart when it comes to money. And people know they got screwed if they bought an Xbox, meanwhile, their investment into the PS2 was very worthwhile. This trust goes a long way into the success of the PS3 and the slow and steady decline of the 360.

Since when is buying a video game system an investment? Also, not all people are smart with money, and not all people feel that xbox was a waste or they got screwed buying one. If anything i would feel screwed if i bought a ps3 right now, they dont have that many quality titles imo.
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#146 RaveRabbid
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[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] And where are those "stronger sales"? Going to the Wii? Some to the 360?
Thrice_III

Now you're pretending like you never even read the first page of the thread. The PS3 has outsold X360 despite everything the X360 had going for it and everything the PS3 had going against it. Face it.


Give me sales numbers from November 2006, December 2006, January 2007, and February 2007 and tell me the PS3 is outselling the 360.

That's comparing a 1 year old console available on a global scale to a brand new console, a 13 month old console to a 1 month old console, a 14 month old console to a 2 month old console, a 15 month old console to a 3 month old console, and a 16 month old console to a 4 month old console. By the way, you do know the PS3 will outsell the X360 for the month of March, right? You better be prepared for it.

Yes but the comparison is still considered lopside since the PS3 had more units on the market at launch than the X360 a.k.a. Sony supplied the demand whereas MS didn't. You couldn't find an X360 for months anywhere but if you wanted a PS3 in december all you had to do is walk to your nearest store. Supply and demand is the name of the game.

As stated in the other posts. You couldn't find a 360 because they were supplying them to MANY MORE territories. If the PS3 was supplying to that many regions it would have the same shortages.

Not necessarily. If demand is 1 million consoles but you only supply 600,000 units................... the demand is not fulfilled regardless of territory. What makes matters worse is that more consoles were supplied to territories where there was clearly less demand. Both these situations account for the reason why comparing the X360 or Wii launch to the PS3 is lopsided since the Sony supplied many more units than actual demand but the others didn't.

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#147 thinicer
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People are smart when it comes to money. And people know they got screwed if they bought an Xbox, meanwhile, their investment into the PS2 was very worthwhile. This trust goes a long way into the success of the PS3 and the slow and steady decline of the 360.KeyWii


KeyWii, I think you take your gaming far too seriously if you believe a video game console is an "investment."

An "investment" is something that helps put money in your pocket. Video game consoles depreciate over time and you keep spending money on them in the form of accessories and new games. It is most definitely not an investment. It's a cost center.
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#148 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="WIIRUS"]people are dumbko_threat

great observation.

People are smart when it comes to money. And people know they got screwed if they bought an Xbox, meanwhile, their investment into the PS2 was very worthwhile. This trust goes a long way into the success of the PS3 and the slow and steady decline of the 360.

Since when is buying a video game system an investment? Also, not all people are smart with money, and not all people feel that xbox was a waste or they got screwed buying one. If anything i would feel screwed if i bought a ps3 right now, they dont have that many quality titles imo.



Just about anything you spend money on is an investment, especially something you will be using over the next few years. In this case, video game systems are definitely investments.
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#149 RaveRabbid
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"]People are smart when it comes to money. And people know they got screwed if they bought an Xbox, meanwhile, their investment into the PS2 was very worthwhile. This trust goes a long way into the success of the PS3 and the slow and steady decline of the 360.thinicer


KeyWii, I think you take your gaming far too seriously if you believe a video game console is an "investment."

An "investment" is something that helps put money in your pocket. Video game consoles depreciate over time and you keep spending money on them in the form of accessories and new games. It is most definitely not an investment. It's a cost center.

PS3 fanboys repeat what Sony tells them blindly.

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#150 tankg11
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="WIIRUS"]people are dumbko_threat

great observation.

People are smart when it comes to money. And people know they got screwed if they bought an Xbox, meanwhile, their investment into the PS2 was very worthwhile. This trust goes a long way into the success of the PS3 and the slow and steady decline of the 360.

Since when is buying a video game system an investment? Also, not all people are smart with money, and not all people feel that xbox was a waste or they got screwed buying one. If anything i would feel screwed if i bought a ps3 right now, they dont have that many quality titles imo.

It is an investment to a person without money to throw away, It would take 2 and a half of my pay check to buy a system, maybe three if I want a game, or may be this is cause I am only 16, but i think this goes for any working person, and also anything that is bought can be considered and investment