How is a generation decided within 6 months?

Seriously, I don't get it. How can 5+ years of a generation be decided within 6 months of NA launch and 3 months of Euro launch?

Yes, 360 has sold a tremendous amount of consoles within its year and a half life. But couldn't Sony do the same sales within the same amount of time and catch up? How is that impossible?

You've got to consider that while a ton of consoles have been sold by Sony and MS, there are still even more out there left to decide. PS2 is the biggest selling console out there and not all of its owners have made the step into this gen.

Lemmings, and I know you've heard this before, if we did the same judging last gen Xbox would have never done a thing. It came out late, had less titles, and didn't do much to Sony at first. But it was the better console wasn;t it? Though it didn;t sell like the PS2, Xbox was the better console with better graphics and features.

So, tell me again how this long generation is over so quickly and how there's no way it could change.

Not many lemmings responding in here. Why?dubvisions

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]Not many lemmings responding in here. Why?Jandurin

Mostly lemmings but Sheep too, I guess. I just don't pay sheep to much attention. We all know that 360/PS3 is a big difference from Wii. They're not in the same game.

No, this is aimed more at the lemmings who have forgotten last gen and that claim pwnage 6 months into a console's life.

i like yout point on How is a generation decided within 6 months?

but lets just keep it there

i like yout point on How is a generation decided within 6 months?

but lets just keep it there

doodlebug01206

I'm not sure i follow you. But just so you know, I'll keep it wherever I please. Thank you for playing.

It would probably be more appropriate directing this question to sheep. The majority of sales threads are made by them.shsonline

Sales is a huge part of the crap-talk that goes on right now. And I do see more Sheep than lemmings bringing it up. But lemmings also try to claim that 360 can;t be stopped. That there's no way Sony will ever catch up.

umm..... by its atrocious sales......

any more questions???Dont hesitate to ask, I never mind educating.

umm..... by its atrocious sales......

any more questions???Dont hesitate to ask, I never mind educating.

Zandeus

You say that like you just made some big claim or something. Did you not read my post? I guess not. Because it is not a stretch of the mind to think that Sony can do the same numbers as 360 within the same time frame. there are Soooo many more people to convert to this gen.

Nice try. Do you wanna actually try to respond intelligently? Maybe give us a real reason?

But couldn't Sony do the same sales within the same amount of time and catch up? How is that impossible?

dubvisions

The events contained in the realm of possibility are near infinite proportions (i.e. pigs flying). As a counterpoint to your argument, may I suggest the Dreamcast as anecdotal evidence that a console's fate can be determined in its first six months (more or less).

I am not flaming, just playing devil's advocate here.

Seriously, I don't get it. How can 5+ years of a generation be decided within 6 months of NA launch and 3 months of Euro launch?

Yes, 360 has sold a tremendous amount of consoles within its year and a half life. But couldn't Sony do the same sales within the same amount of time and catch up? How is that impossible?

You've got to consider that while a ton of consoles have been sold by Sony and MS, there are still even more out there left to decide. PS2 is the biggest selling console out there and not all of its owners have made the step into this gen.

Lemmings, and I know you've heard this before, if we did the same judging last gen Xbox would have never done a thing. It came out late, had less titles, and didn't do much to Sony at first. But it was the better console wasn;t it? Though it didn;t sell like the PS2, Xbox was the better console with better graphics and features.

So, tell me again how this long generation is over so quickly and how there's no way it could change.

dubvisions

At E3, only 6 months after the original xbox launched, sony proclaimed, "We've won the console wars!" to thunderous applause.

if it was good enough then, why is it different now?

At E3, only 6 months after the original xbox launched, sony proclaimed, "We've won the console wars!" to thunderous applause.

if it was good enough then, why is it different now?

tango90101

i agree. Sony made the claim before, and they were wrong. MS makes the claim now and they're wrong. good point.

Its the fact that cows are certain the PS3 will catch up and overtake the competition. If anything, thats more ridiculous.pog_ma_thoin

And that lemmings are certain that PS3 has flopped within 6 months, thats not a stretch at all?

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

But couldn't Sony do the same sales within the same amount of time and catch up? How is that impossible?

Kestastrophe

The events contained in the realm of possibility are near infinite proportions (i.e. pigs flying). As a counterpoint to your argument, may I suggest the Dreamcast as anecdotal evidence that a console's fate can be determined in its first six months (more or less).

I am not flaming, just playing devil's advocate here.

Was Sega coming off of the best selling console in history? Who killed dreamcast, Sony?

Because, the beginning has always decided the end. Give me a console which was crap in its 1st year and ended up skyrocketing all the way to first place.Eponique

Xbox. And we are talking real life here, right? sales does not = best console.

[QUOTE="pog_ma_thoin"]Its the fact that cows are certain the PS3 will catch up and overtake the competition. If anything, thats more ridiculous.dubvisions

And that lemmings are certain that PS3 has flopped within 6 months, thats not a stretch at all?

Both are stupid things to say this early. But saying the PS3 will certainly overtake the competition is more foolish. At least people saying the PS3 is doomed can base it on the fact that the PS3 isnt exactly doing the best at the moment.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Because, the beginning has always decided the end. Give me a console which was crap in its 1st year and ended up skyrocketing all the way to first place.dubvisions

Xbox. And we are talking real life here, right? sales does not = best console.

It cant, but it dose show that one comapny has a better chance than other right now.

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Because, the beginning has always decided the end. Give me a console which was crap in its 1st year and ended up skyrocketing all the way to first place.Jandurin

Xbox. And we are talking real life here, right? sales does not = best console.

Hmmmmm, so Xbox didn't have the best games? Wii has the best games now?? I know you must be kidding.

It's call kick them while they down mentatily. Sony is not doing well in the public eye and fanboys are eating it up. The biggest ownage will be most of the 360 and Wii fans buying a PS3 later down the road and afriad to admit they have one. Expect a lot of alt. accounts.Socrates88

Hmmmmm, so Xbox didn't have the best games? Wii has the best games now?? I know you must be kidding.dubvisions

Sheeps said so. Of course, they're know their system is a gimmick and will die off soon so they're trying to get as much glory as they can.NobuoMusicMaker

a gimmick :? is a good thing you know. anyways your using in a bad way. sixasis is a gimmick.

and if wii going to die off soon. why is it still selling out to this day :|

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

But couldn't Sony do the same sales within the same amount of time and catch up? How is that impossible?

dubvisions

The events contained in the realm of possibility are near infinite proportions (i.e. pigs flying). As a counterpoint to your argument, may I suggest the Dreamcast as anecdotal evidence that a console's fate can be determined in its first six months (more or less).

I am not flaming, just playing devil's advocate here.

Was Sega coming off of the best selling console in history? Who killed dreamcast, Sony?

Your topic did not address the similarities between previous consoles and the PS3, but merely the opinion that a console's fate could not be decided within its first six months. Thus, the fact that Sega was already in financial trouble is irrelevant.

Because, the beginning has always decided the end. Give me a console which was crap in its 1st year and ended up skyrocketing all the way to first place.Eponique

Time to be educated on the history of console gaming.

Sega Gensis was out selling the SNES the first year both were aviable. SNES offically won that gen.
N64 out sold PS1 and Sega Saturn the first year all console were release. PS1 won that generation.

Your topic did not address the similarities between previous consoles and the PS3, but merely the opinion that a console's fate could not be decided within its first six months. Thus, the fact that Sega was already in financial trouble is irrelevant. Kestastrophe

How can it be irrelevant? A company's strength canplay a huge role in how their products perform. You don't think so? How do Xbox and playstation stay afloat when they lose money on each console? Company strength.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]It's call kick them while they down mentatily. Sony is not doing well in the public eye and fanboys are eating it up. The biggest ownage will be most of the 360 and Wii fans buying a PS3 later down the road and afriad to admit they have one. Expect a lot of alt. accounts.Jandurin

True, but some people will not admit for SW sake.

At E3, only 6 months after the original xbox launched, sony proclaimed, "We've won the console wars!" to thunderous applause.

if it was good enough then, why is it different now?

tango90101

Because it was poor statement then just as it's a poor statement now.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Because, the beginning has always decided the end. Give me a console which was crap in its 1st year and ended up skyrocketing all the way to first place.dubvisions

Xbox. And we are talking real life here, right? sales does not = best console.

Hmmmmm, so Xbox didn't have the best games? Wii has the best games now?? I know you must be kidding.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Because, the beginning has always decided the end. Give me a console which was crap in its 1st year and ended up skyrocketing all the way to first place.Eponique

Xbox. And we are talking real life here, right? sales does not = best console.

Hmmmmm, so Xbox didn't have the best games? Wii has the best games now?? I know you must be kidding.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

i thought it was built under 3 hrs Duh!!!!!

anyways it depands on game taste. just beacuse you cant accpet the wii dosent mean they got bad games -towrds tc

Rome wasn't built in a day.Eponique

Oh, and that phrase only works for Wii not PS3???

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Rome wasn't built in a day.dubvisions

Oh, and that phrase only works for Wii not PS3???

Of course. This is System Wars.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Rome wasn't built in a day.dubvisions

Oh, and that phrase only works for Wii not PS3???

Brings me back to myfirst point "No console was crap in its first year and skyrocketed to first place at the end".

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Rome wasn't built in a day.Eponique

Oh, and that phrase only works for Wii not PS3???

Brings me back to myfirst point "No console was crap in its first year and skyrocketed to first place at the end".

Well, no console this gen is "crap".

Seriously, I don't get it. How can 5+ years of a generation be decided within 6 months of NA launch and 3 months of Euro launch?

Yes, 360 has sold a tremendous amount of consoles within its year and a half life. But couldn't Sony do the same sales within the same amount of time and catch up? How is that impossible?

You've got to consider that while a ton of consoles have been sold by Sony and MS, there are still even more out there left to decide. PS2 is the biggest selling console out there and not all of its owners have made the step into this gen.

Lemmings, and I know you've heard this before, if we did the same judging last gen Xbox would have never done a thing. It came out late, had less titles, and didn't do much to Sony at first. But it was the better console wasn;t it? Though it didn;t sell like the PS2, Xbox was the better console with better graphics and features.

So, tell me again how this long generation is over so quickly and how there's no way it could change.

dubvisions

if? there was no "if".

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"]

Your topic did not address the similarities between previous consoles and the PS3, but merely the opinion that a console's fate could not be decided within its first six months. Thus, the fact that Sega was already in financial trouble is irrelevant. dubvisions

How can it be irrelevant? A company's strength canplay a huge role in how their products perform. You don't think so? How do Xbox and playstation stay afloat when they lose money on each console? Company strength.

Its irrelevant because the topic of debate was the possibility of a console's fate being decided in its first six months, with yours being the opinion that a console's fate could not be decided in its first six months (For the record, I agree with your opinion).

Playing devil's advocate, I provided anecdotal evidence that a console's fate could be decided in its first six months (Dreamcast).

Obviously, those factors that you listed are completely relevant in determining a console's success, but it is not relevant to this debate.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Rome wasn't built in a day.Socrates88

Oh, and that phrase only works for Wii not PS3???

Brings me back to myfirst point "No console was crap in its first year and skyrocketed to first place at the end".

Well, no console this gen is "crap".

I know, but I meant sales-wise.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Rome wasn't built in a day.Eponique

Oh, and that phrase only works for Wii not PS3???

Brings me back to myfirst point "No console was crap in its first year and skyrocketed to first place at the end".

Well, no console this gen is "crap".

I know, but I meant sales-wise.

And I proved you wrong sales -wise.

Seriously, I don't get it. How can 5+ years of a generation be decided within 6 months of NA launch and 3 months of Euro launch?

Yes, 360 has sold a tremendous amount of consoles within its year and a half life. But couldn't Sony do the same sales within the same amount of time and catch up? How is that impossible?

You've got to consider that while a ton of consoles have been sold by Sony and MS, there are still even more out there left to decide. PS2 is the biggest selling console out there and not all of its owners have made the step into this gen.

Lemmings, and I know you've heard this before, if we did the same judging last gen Xbox would have never done a thing. It came out late, had less titles, and didn't do much to Sony at first. But it was the better console wasn;t it? Though it didn;t sell like the PS2, Xbox was the better console with better graphics and features.

So, tell me again how this long generation is over so quickly and how there's no way it could change.

dubvisions

anyways it depands on game taste. just beacuse you cant accpet the wii dosent mean they got bad games -towrds tc

wavebrid

I never said Wii had bad games. i was just saying that sales does not = best console, or even best games.

Having less sales than the GBA is a good thing now?

Eponique

You one of those people. The kind who doesn't see the big picture or see it and choice to ignore it. Worldwide PS3 is selling about the same as Xbox360 maybe Xbox360 with a slight bigger margin.