How is a generation decided within 6 months?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="insomnia37"]

By lemmings logic this consol race ends only in half a year and that a consol thats been out for 6 months should have a large library of games!!

insomnia37

how is it lemming logic?

Majority of the posts claiming that the ps3 is or has already failed seems to come from die hard ms fans.

the first major console to sell 10million has historically carried the generation.

ps3 = flop.

remember, 2nd place (xbox) was a "flop" according to cows...;)

TC --- SEE DREAMCAST.

/thread.

The PS3 will have great games this gen, no doubt, but i think it will go under-appreciated; just like the Dreamcast. The amount of attention the Wii is getting is completely overshadowing the PS3. Sadly, i dont see it doing well this gen.pog_ma_thoin

even though i own a PS3 I'm happy to see Sony suffer and flounder about like a fish gasping for water :) they killed the N64 with the PS1 and I loved the N64, they killed the Dreamcast.

it's Sony's turn to have their face rubbed in the dirt ;)

[QUOTE="teamchadrochill"]

I never said that it was exactly the same. I said it had similarities. If you get past the fact that the dreamcast came out before ps2 you will see that there are similarities. Example: the part where it talks about the dreamcast (ps3) being basically ignored in japan. The fact that dreamcast(ps3) already had online and thecompetition at that momment did not, Ps2(wii). And then it says that even a price cut did not help the dreamcast, so it brings up questions if this amazing price cut that will solve all problems,according to cows, will actually help the ps3.

dubvisions

Again, I think your comparison is a stretch. You mention online but what relates? All system have online. You say Japan is ignoring PS3 but it is doing better than 360. And Japan is slow to the PS3 like most because of lack of titles. Not because of the console. And, again, that will change.

Here's the last thing that throws your argument off. The fact that SONY took out Dreamcast and we're talking about SONY now. Its a little odd using a company's power to show how it took over a console in the past as how it will fail now.

My point is that there are similarities to the situation which sony is in with the ps3 that sega was with the dreamcast. Yes they are two different companies but there are still things in common.

The online comment was just one of the many small things in common with it. (wii doesnt have an online game yet, much like how even though the ps2 had online capabilities, it did not have online until a later in its life).

The wii is beating the Ps3 in japan (much like how the Ps2 beat the dreamcast in japan) even though Sony was supposed to do great in japan.

It is just a lot of little things that make a good comparison between the dreamcast and the PS3.

Your rebuttle of my post is just stupid. It does not matter that sony is the one that "took out" dreamcast. The fact remains that sony now seems to be having similar outcomes that sega had with the dreamcast.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="insomnia37"]

By lemmings logic this consol race ends only in half a year and that a consol thats been out for 6 months should have a large library of games!!

insomnia37

how is it lemming logic?

Majority of the posts claiming that the ps3 is or has already failed seems to come from die hard ms fans.

and a year before that people were saying how the 360 was already doomed. how is it lemming logic again?

[QUOTE="insomnia37"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="insomnia37"]

By lemmings logic this consol race ends only in half a year and that a consol thats been out for 6 months should have a large library of games!!

tango90101

how is it lemming logic?

Majority of the posts claiming that the ps3 is or has already failed seems to come from die hard ms fans.

the first major console to sell 10million has historically carried the generation.

ps3 = flop.

remember, 2nd place (xbox) was a "flop" according to cows...;)

the wii is most likely going to surpass the 360 before long.

The success of a system snowballs. The more sales it gets, the more devs are drawn to it, so the more games it gets, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it succeeds.Tylendal

This is correct, in theory. But look at the Wii and Xbox 1. Xbox 1 had less sales than PS2 and it was actually the better console. Wii is selling far beyond any competition but devs are still all about 360/PS3 and are making games Wii couldn;t handle.

So, I'm not sure if your theory holds strongly.

My point is that there are similarities to the situation which sony is in with the ps3 that sega was with the dreamcast. Yes they are two different companies but there are still things in common.

The online comment was just one of the many small things in common with it. (wii doesnt have an online game yet, much like how even though the ps2 had online capabilities, it did not have online until a later in its life).

The wii is beating the Ps3 in japan (much like how the Ps2 beat the dreamcast in japan) even though Sony was supposed to do great in japan.

It is just a lot of little things that make a good comparison between the dreamcast and the PS3.

Your rebuttle of my post is just stupid. It does not matter that sony is the one that "took out" dreamcast. The fact remains that sony now seems to be having similar outcomes that sega had with the dreamcast.

teamchadrochill

there are more similarities with the PS2/Dreamcast and PS3/360 than any Wii situation. Again, this toopic isn;t about the Wii. the Wii is in a different game. While the markets for Ps3/360 cross the lines of Wii, they are two different markets.

What does Wii have now that PS3 doesn't? What does the Ps3 have that the Wii doesn't? Horrible comparison buddy.

It's just a LOT of little things that make a good comparison between the dreamcast and 360.

the first major console to sell 10million has historically carried the generation.

ps3 = flop.

remember, 2nd place (xbox) was a "flop" according to cows...;)

tango90101

And this has happened how many times in the history of gaming? Once? And that's a sure fire way to determine the winner??? And who set that record?

There is something called "The 3rd Console Curse". It is the thing that keeps a companies third console from doing as well as the company's first two consoles. If the company's first two consoles had been in first place during their gen, it will lose third-party support starting with Square.The consolewill sell horribly. It will be hard to develop for. The curse has plagued every companies third-console.Also, it will plague Microsoft next-gen... Ninty is the only company that has bounced back.dexter111344

There is no third console curse. Sega got lucky with the Genesis, and Nintendo mucked up with the N64. I do not believe in curses, and Sony will prove me right with PS3.

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

the first major console to sell 10million has historically carried the generation.

ps3 = flop.

remember, 2nd place (xbox) was a "flop" according to cows...;)

dubvisions

And this has happened how many times in the history of gaming? Once? And that's a sure fire way to determine the winner??? And who set that record?

Umm nope you would be incorrect, it has happenedmany times since 1980..... 1st was Atari 9600 vs Commodore 64, second was Nintendo vs Sega Gennisis, 3rd was N64 vs Jaguar, Sony V.S. N64, and the ultimate flopage D.C. vs PS2. This industry is very cyclic. Those examples were some of the more higher profile ones..

In my opinion the PS3 isn't doomed, but it's not gonna be #1 even 6 years down the road. Not becuse of it's hardware, which is very good value (anytime a hardware company subsidizes hardware is a good value). But it's lack of Exclusive software support, and it's perceived value (how much the console costs versus how many must have game titles it has).

The PS3 doesn't suck however the publics perception of it as an overpriced, underwhelming game console is the crux of the PS3's problem.. Plus M$ knows that the company that has the most exclusive, and highest rated games first will win the console war. Another problem with the PS3 is that Nintendo's WII, and DS are killing it, becuse they are seen as providing a very fun, and compeling platform to the masses, for much cheaper cost. The PS3, and the even the 360is only providing compeling entertainment to a very nitch market right now. WII is FTW on this one, it's stellar momentum will hold up untill the software starts flowing like a flood.. Just look at a gamestop or your local game retailer. Which sections are the largest, that will tell you who is wining the war.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="insomnia37"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="insomnia37"]

By lemmings logic this consol race ends only in half a year and that a consol thats been out for 6 months should have a large library of games!!

CaseyWegner

how is it lemming logic?

Majority of the posts claiming that the ps3 is or has already failed seems to come from die hard ms fans.

the first major console to sell 10million has historically carried the generation.

ps3 = flop.

remember, 2nd place (xbox) was a "flop" according to cows...;)

the wii is most likely going to surpass the 360 before long.

Seriously doubt it.

the 360's marketting angles are too great.

Seriously doubt it.

the 360's marketting angles are too great.

tango90101

have you seen how fast the wii is selling?

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

the first major console to sell 10million has historically carried the generation.

ps3 = flop.

remember, 2nd place (xbox) was a "flop" according to cows...;)

dubvisions

And this has happened how many times in the history of gaming? Once? And that's a sure fire way to determine the winner??? And who set that record?

i really don't think you've done your homework into the history of gaming.

hint: it DIDN'T start with sony...;)

just because you don't like the truth, doesn't make any less factual..

/thread.

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

Seriously doubt it.

the 360's marketting angles are too great.

CaseyWegner

have you seen how fast the wii is selling?

yes.. against a console that is way more money.

and MS still hasn't played their price-drop card yet....

this holiday is going to be a frenzy for wii and 360, imo

ps3? not so much...

PS3 bashers are relying very heavily on the idea that people still won't buy PS3 even after a pricedrop and lots of good games are out. Last I checked though, those were the only two major detractors from PS3 right now, and this fall they'll be ammended. So what will stop PS3 from selling then? And that's what no-one wants to answer.Timstuff

i think you're forgetting

1. most gamers will have already made their choice by the time the ps3 sees a significant price drop

2. the ps3 has lost most of their system sellers to other consoles..

Sheeps said so. Of course, they're know their system is a gimmick and will die off soon so they're trying to get as much glory as they can.NobuoMusicMaker

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]The success of a system snowballs. The more sales it gets, the more devs are drawn to it, so the more games it gets, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it succeeds.dubvisions

This is correct, in theory. But look at the Wii and Xbox 1. Xbox 1 had less sales than PS2 and it was actually the better console. Wii is selling far beyond any competition but devs are still all about 360/PS3 and are making games Wii couldn;t handle.

So, I'm not sure if your theory holds strongly.

But the fastest success was shown by the PS2, so it got the best games. And therefore more sales. As for devs ignoring Wii? Don't make me laugh. EA wants to be their "Number 2 developer", Ubisoft just apologized for the PS2 ports and is taking the time to make games from the ground up, and Square-Enix just disowned the 360 and PS3.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]The success of a system snowballs. The more sales it gets, the more devs are drawn to it, so the more games it gets, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it gets more sales, which means it gets more devs, which means it gets more games, which means it succeeds.dubvisions

This is correct, in theory. But look at the Wii and Xbox 1. Xbox 1 had less sales than PS2 and it was actually the better console. Wii is selling far beyond any competition but devs are still all about 360/PS3 and are making games Wii couldn;t handle.

So, I'm not sure if your theory holds strongly.

It's held strongly in every previous generation. The business of consoles is one of software platforms that are internally homogenous yet incompatible with competing platforms. So momentum is literally everything - and momentum that one platform attains becomes inertia for the others.

By the time Xbox or GameCube launched, PS2 had achieved unstoppable momentum. You say that "Xbox 1 had less sales than PS2 and it was actually the better console." You may have liked it better, and it may have been more powerful, but the rule of momentum held strongly for the Xbox. It was never anywhere near as popular or successful as the PS2.

To say that "devs are still all about 360/PS3" is to ignore current events. It is true that many high-profile projects were planned and initiated before the Wii demonstrated its greater momentum - and these projects aren't going anywhere - but the pace of new game announcements favors Wii.

The rule of momentum will hold strongly for the Wii, as well. This isn't a slight edge it's got - it's a brutal kicking. If you combine the regions we have timely data for (NA and Japan) Wii is outselling Xbox 360 and PS3 combined and doubled. It's on pace to take something on the order of 60% market share over the generation and unless something happens to change the trends this year, it certainly will.

and MS still hasn't played their price-drop card yet...tango90101

[QUOTE="tango90101"]and MS still hasn't played their price-drop card yet...dexter111344

yet North America is the biggest gaming region

umm..... by its atrocious sales......

any more questions???Dont hesitate to ask, I never mind educating.

Zandeus

It's extremely foolish to assume who will win, when it's hardly begun.

[QUOTE="tango90101"]and MS still hasn't played their price-drop card yet...dexter111344

japan isnt that big of a deal anymore. if you have the majority of sales in both the UK and NA you could walk away with the console belt this time around. nintendo is the only one who will profit from japan this time around, and they should. sony shot themselves in the foot and lost alot of customers in japan, and ms never really had alot of anything in japan. so if anything ms has gained more customers in japan than before and sony lost more. and nintendo is just kickin ass.

yet North America is the biggest gaming region

ParadiddleFill

Yeah fan-boys just over do it, this year wont even be remembered 2 years from now and we are already deciding the console war is over.Swift_Boss_A

Sony is already getting their butts kicked. You don't even have to wait another 2 years.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

yet North America is the biggest gaming region

dexter111344

Konami and Square are nothing compared to Epic, Bungie, Rockstar, EA, Activision ect

"Sega Gensis was out selling the SNES the first year both were aviable. SNES offically won that gen"

That's a myth that has no basis in reality. vgcharts.org used to have a feature where you could graph the sales of any two consoles with launches "aligned", and they show that SNES was always outselling the Genesis except for maybe one or two months. SNES outsold Genny the first year they were both available, not the other way around.