How is Nintendo going to compete next gen?

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#51 KungfuKitten
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[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Now that Nintendo has made more than enough money, am sure they'll make a console that will be on par of Sony's and Microsoft's next console.
Or will they opt for the cheaper option...

kontejner44

It's actually called the mass market option. By now the HDTV userbase is probably large enough for Nintendo to consider 720p.

Not just that. There were many reasons to take it slow. Like lower risk of problems like RROD, efficiency, easy to produce in masses, lower dev costs, lower pricepoint, more of its power actually being used.

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#52 Hexagon_777
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Sony and Microsoft will wait for what Nintendo has to offer and then use it themselves as well.
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#53 JuarN18
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Just like the 3DS it will be something good

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#55 Half-Way
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Just like the 3DS it will be something good

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because it will be the 3ds with a sony logo?

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#56 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Sony and Microsoft will wait for what Nintendo has to offer and then use it themselves as well.Half-Way
we allready know this

And that is how Nintendo will succeed. By doing it first once again.

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#57 donaldo1989
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they will be fine, there is still a massive market out there that still want 1st party nintendo games
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#58 NaveedLife
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Does anyone else here think that Nintendo's next console will be closer in graphical power to the 720 and PS4, then the Wii was to the 360 and the PS3? I am guessing so, but maybe I am wrong.

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#59 xromad01
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Sony and Microsoft will wait for what Nintendo has to offer and then use it themselves as well.Hexagon_777

we allready know this

And that is how Nintendo will succeed. By doing it first once again.

doing what first? 3d(sega game 1000) analog(astrocade) dpad(super vision) virtual boy(adventure vision) online(atari 800) sat gaming(taito).

motion sensing(datasoft)

i'm not sure what you are referring to.

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#60 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]we allready know thisxromad01
And that is how Nintendo will succeed. By doing it first once again.

doing what first? 3d(sega game 1000) analog(astrocade) dpad(super vision) virtual boy(adventure vision) online(atari 800) sat gaming(taito). motion sensing(datasoft)

i'm not sure what you are referring to.

Those must have certainly been successful considering that I as a gamer haven't even heard of them. Nevertheless, let's refine the argument.

And that is how Nintendo will succeed. By being the first of the Big Three to do it once again.

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#61 frankj22
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Now that Nintendo is the One in casual gaming industry, they should keep this path and revive the inner hardcore gamer spirit with their franchise revamp as a more mature AND artistic games. I' m hoping someday a mature zelda, not an young adult link but an old link one like Snake from MGS in a less childish universe. I really enjoy the latest re-ash title from Nintendo franchise (Zelda, Mario, Metroid) but since I'm an adult I don't judge game by graphics and playhours but by experience it give to you. It's all about the mood it create. Like No More Hero or Mad World. Video game industry is now more like the movie industry, you have blockbuster, independent and other genre that can satisfy a much larger public
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#62 xromad01
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[QUOTE="xromad01"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]And that is how Nintendo will succeed. By doing it first once again.Hexagon_777

doing what first? 3d(sega game 1000) analog(astrocade) dpad(super vision) virtual boy(adventure vision) online(atari 800) sat gaming(taito). motion sensing(datasoft)

i'm not sure what you are referring to.

Those must have certainly been successful considering that I as a gamer haven't even heard of them. Nevertheless, let's refine the argument.

And that is how Nintendo will succeed. By being the first of the Big Three to do it once again.

that is how the industry has worked.everything mainstream comes from something that failed.

i think one of the next big things will be voice recognition.RDI halcyon 1985

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Does anyone else here think that Nintendo's next console will be closer in graphical power to the 720 and PS4, then the Wii was to the 360 and the PS3? I am guessing so, but maybe I am wrong.

NaveedLife

The problem is Iwata sincerely believes that "Today's consoles already offer fairly photorealistic expressions. Simply beefing up those graphics will not let most of us see a difference." and that "[Technical specs] really don't matter. The time when horsepower alone made an important difference is over." So while I could see a jump to HD, I can't see a top-to-bottom attempt by Nintendo to greatly exceed the Cell and Xenos's capabilities.

Unless it were to power a 3D system, because he does readily admit that high-res 3D images require a lot of horsepower that exceeds what the Wii is capable of handling ("If you display a 3D image, the image quality becomes extremely bad, so we'd probably do it with the next system.")

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#64 moondoggey
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nintendo is the only system that didnt loose any money and sold a ton of wiis

so with that being said all the money nintendo made this gen they can put that towards a super gammeing system that is more powerful then anything sony or M.S can put out and if there is anyway nintendo can do all that and make there new sysstem cost less then sony andM.S then nintendo will not have any problem

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#65 M3ran
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nintendo isnt in trouble IMO,i think that they are really smart and they know what they are doing so no worries.:P

:)they are gonna bring somthing new,far greater than motion sensor.

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#66 Dibdibdobdobo
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The Heart Monitor gizmo which they was going to introduce is one way. One reason i dont want Eternal Darkness sequel on the Wii.

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#67 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Does anyone else here think that Nintendo's next console will be closer in graphical power to the 720 and PS4, then the Wii was to the 360 and the PS3? I am guessing so, but maybe I am wrong.

SakusEnvoy

The problem is Iwata sincerely believes that "Today's consoles already offer fairly photorealistic expressions. Simply beefing up those graphics will not let most of us see a difference." and that "[Technical specs] really don't matter. The time when horsepower alone made an important difference is over." So while I could see a jump to HD, I can't see a top-to-bottom attempt by Nintendo to greatly exceed the Cell and Xenos's capabilities.

Unless it were to power a 3D system, because he does readily admit that high-res 3D images require a lot of horsepower that exceeds what the Wii is capable of handling ("If you display a 3D image, the image quality becomes extremely bad, so we'd probably do it with the next system.")

At the very least I see them making it as powerful as the PS3/360 and having HD support. If not then I will not be happy :(.

ugh why did you post that :P? it makes me a little sick inside and hope I don't regret my recent Wii purchase (its shipping here now).

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]and they dont have to do anything...all they have to do is launch a "new" recycled mario along...and making it kiddo attractive and PUM you got over 9000 sales per minutelightleggy
But those 'recycled games' end up good. My theory....Nintendo have lack third party support this gen with the Wii, and that's about to change with 3DS. I reckon it's more of a trial with how those games turn out/sell, and if they do well (which I expect), we can expect Nintendo to have a lot more 3rd party support/powerfuller system next gen.

no, they dont end up good, they end up to be the same as the others...its just that the people say that they are good because of NOSTALGIA, come on SMG2 didnt deserved a 10...its pure nostalgia! just cus its a mario game. and 3ds? im sorry are you talking about the nintendo 3d recycle??? come on....they announce like 40 titles for it and around 99% of those titles were remakes from older games...instead of introducing new games

Only a few games are confirmed as remakes. For the most part we only know that there will be a lot of games from existing franchises.
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#69 martinX3X
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As said earlier, Nintendo will think of something. It could be good or bad. But it will always make money.

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#70 KBFloYd
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all they need to do is keep everything they have now but improve the graphics so that all the multiplats from ps3 and xbox go on wii2..

then wii2 will have the best of both. i think it will sell very well this way.

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#71 nervmeister
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Is Nintendo in trouble? Sony and Microsoft already incorporate motion control technology in their current consoles, and there is no doubt they will have motion control ready day one next gen. So how will Nintendo evolve to stay on top?

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I dunno. A 3D handheld maybe? **shrugs**
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#72 nervmeister
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nintendo isnt in trouble IMO,i think that they are really smart and they know what they are doing so no worries.:P

:)they are gonna bring somthing new,far greater than motion sensor.

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#73 789shadow
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Nintendo will come out with the cheaper console.

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#74 Oonga
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they're interested in hd so they will be hd just a gen behind while ps4 and 720 are stronger the wii2 will be just as strong as the ps3 with a custom made cpu just like the wii is now.

Mario1331

Hmm, seems like alot of people believe Nintendo will always be a gen behind when it comes to raw power. I honestly think the Wii is the exception. I still think they'll have the weakest console next gen but it'll be roughly in MS and Sonys ball park.

Thats partly because i dont expect MS and Sony to up the hardware power as much as past gens.

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#75 Shirokishi_
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With the ocean of money their making with the DS, Wii and 3DS soon, theyll probably make the most advanced next gen system.

..... That or another weak yet innovative system.

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#76 nbessiner
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What they always do. Moar Mario

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#77 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

they're interested in hd so they will be hd just a gen behind while ps4 and 720 are stronger the wii2 will be just as strong as the ps3 with a custom made cpu just like the wii is now.

Oonga

Hmm, seems like alot of people believe Nintendo will always be a gen behind when it comes to raw power. I honestly think the Wii is the exception. I still think they'll have the weakest console next gen but it'll be roughly in MS and Sonys ball park.

Thats partly because i dont expect MS and Sony to up the hardware power as much as past gens.

your right but as time goes along developing for the 360 and ps3 will be cheaper with the right cpu. just like the wii being a custom made cpu by just being a little stronger then the xbox is cheap to develop for now.

but MS and Sony will update their nex systems stronger but not as strong but this also gives the wii2 with their hd ps3/360 graphics to have every multiplat since they will be closer in strength sort of like how the ps2 had every muliplat with xbox and gc.

nintendo put ms and sony in a very difficult situation because sad to say the hardocre audience is just as bright as the casual audience they just want raw power and when they see the wii2 is raw power they are going to just jump on board with the nintendo console.

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#78 Kane04
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Nintendo is up on the high horse again after so many years, all the cool folks must have a Wii but dont forget something... imo they were lucky, Nintendo fans can say too many times the Sony Move is a Wii controller rip off but lets not forget the concept of casual games was created by Sony to begin with (Eyetoy, Singstar) If you look at sales numbers N64 sold like 32,93 millions as for GC 21,52 millions, something like that, but the numbers aren't really important, important is that last time Nintendo had the best selling console of the generation was with the NES. Will they keep up with the success on their next console? I personally find hard, really the Wii was just the new thing, different and cheaper but you already hear so many people talking about how tired they are and how their Wiis are collecting dust, you see another thing in the line of motion controllers in the horizon? And honestly, if they just go for "Wii2" more powerfull and precise... thats what Sony doing right now with the Move.
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#79 Sword-Demon
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nintendo already won next gen with the 3ds

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#80 mariokart64fan
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um why would nintendo be in trouble

with 131 ,somthing million dses sold 72 plus m wiis sold! plus making money on each system sold for the wii !

that doesnt even include games ! accessories etc

how is nintendo ever in trouble

the biggest trouble they were in was vb they rebounded sorta from that ,,

then the gc , ,they rebound from that ,, they know what needs to be done at the right time right place

and the price they set their consoles always are less then competitors they been doin this 20 yrs plus!

look at the sales charts

youll see what im seeing ,

nintendo is far from in trouble ,if anything no ones in trouble ,

none of the big 3 are in danger zone ,

nintendo is adding players to the market ,thatr is somthing that needs to be done.

every one can understand , ,

sure wii cant do 720 p plus , hd , but doesnt mean it aint got games ,, worth buying

if anything if i were to walk into a store today id probably see more wii games then other game console games put together ,and that says alot ,,

each gen actually nintendo has gained 2x the amount of third party titles or moresince its fall from grace

n64 398

gc 668

wii over 1000!

so ya um , that alone says alot! thats not including the vc or wii ware downloads

nintendo is in perfect shape now then they were ever they v got their most successful console this gen since snes at 72 point million units

snes was their highest 60 million plus units

nes 50 plus million units sothing like that

and their handhedl side of things flawless

each handhedl has grown sales over its prodecessor ds is in fact about 7 million units shy of out selling ps2 as the all time best seller

and its got life left in it!

for all wondering nintendo system home console sales

-some may be a little off

nes-50-60 million

snes -70 million

n64 34 million

gc 24 somthing milion xbox only had 27 million ( ps2 walked over them but sega ultimatelly failed 10 million last gen sales

wii -72 and growing million units making wii nintendos most succesful console and the 3rd most succesful console of all time bumpin snes down to 4th and nes to 5th

first and 2nd are sonys of all time of course- wiis only 4 yrs old ,gots some life left in it , im sure itll propel to 100 million easily dkc4 alone will help it

add zelda and kirby and goldeneye to that mix bam

your receipee for sales not to mention known price drops -its about time for one, ! and nintendo would do it right when ms brings somthing out , as if a 2 game bundle isnt enough im sure by next holiday or spring , wii will only cost 129,99 somthing like that

to counter kenict and moves launch of course!

you think nintendos gonna sit back and watch i dont think so

nintendo already won 3 e3s since the interception of the wii ,

-2005 2006 and 2010

and were close last year sony and nintendo tied , ms lucky by .5 inches

that tells you somthing , ,

killer 2010-11 line up , spells out like i said above

and their handheld sells are

gb 81 million-gbc gb gba sales combined

ds already surpassed-131-million that puts a history mark in the handheld history books now dont it

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#81 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="Oonga"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

they're interested in hd so they will be hd just a gen behind while ps4 and 720 are stronger the wii2 will be just as strong as the ps3 with a custom made cpu just like the wii is now.

Mario1331

Hmm, seems like alot of people believe Nintendo will always be a gen behind when it comes to raw power. I honestly think the Wii is the exception. I still think they'll have the weakest console next gen but it'll be roughly in MS and Sonys ball park.

Thats partly because i dont expect MS and Sony to up the hardware power as much as past gens.

your right but as time goes along developing for the 360 and ps3 will be cheaper with the right cpu. just like the wii being a custom made cpu by just being a little stronger then the xbox is cheap to develop for now.

but MS and Sony will update their nex systems stronger but not as strong but this also gives the wii2 with their hd ps3/360 graphics to have every multiplat since they will be closer in strength sort of like how the ps2 had every muliplat with xbox and gc.

nintendo put ms and sony in a very difficult situation because sad to say the hardocre audience is just as bright as the casual audience they just want raw power and when they see the wii2 is raw power they are going to just jump on board with the nintendo console.

yeah I am really hoping the Wii2 has more power then the PS3 and the 360 but at LEAST is on par with those. if its not I will be very disatisfied. This honestly is what scares me the most about buying a Wii. I want one but I am worried Nintendo will continue even more so in the direction of being cheap and weak. Graphics are not everything, but I sure do love them and if Nintendo doesn't up the power next time I can't say I will buy the console.

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#82 Origami_Kill3r
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the question is what are ms and sony going to do? they both showed they dont have a inovative bone in there whole bodys . Nintendo is very creative and will come up with even better controls next gen. Whats the point in putting out a new controler 4 years in ? Are they going to use them on ps4 as well?

Sony shows they don't know how to make a penny off gaming. lossing 100s of millions a year. As always ms will put out a pile of junke so i am not worried about them .

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Dude tons of sony/MS games have shown both innovation and new ideas. Aside from motion with a mote all nintendo does is make mario and link over and over again.
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#83 shinrabanshou
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Release a system and games I guess, I don't understand why Nintendo is doomed next gen. Nintendo has the brand recognition Sony and MS lack going into next gen. If all the systems are the same I have more faith that Nintendo will pull through than the other 2.

ActicEdge

While the Playstation brand has eroded I'd wager it still has significant pull.

Likewise the XBOX brand has grown significantly.

I don't think Nintendo is doomed next gen, but I am curious about what exactly they will do.

Presumably it will be in HD, but the other consoles are already in HD.

The other current gen consoles will have motion control as an option.

Glasses-free 3D isn't really an option for a home console and won't be even when an eventual Wii2 rolls out.

I'm at a loss to think how they'll differentiate from what is already on offer this gen. But I'm sure they'll surprise us.

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#84 Elian2530
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Zelda in HD :D

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This. Once Nintendo goes HD, people will drool and follow the N brand like crazed zombies. Like they weren't doing that already. :P
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#85 ThePlothole
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yeah I am really hoping the Wii2 has more power then the PS3 and the 360 but at LEAST is on par with those. if its not I will be very disatisfied. This honestly is what scares me the most about buying a Wii. I want one but I am worried Nintendo will continue even more so in the direction of being cheap and weak. Graphics are not everything, but I sure do love them and if Nintendo doesn't up the power next time I can't say I will buy the console.

NaveedLife

Something you have to remember is that Nintendo never sells hardware at a loss. It's not their way. And I don't blame them... it's a risky strategy, especially when you're only invested in one market (Microsoft and Sony have several to fall back on). Combine that with the fact that they usually aim for a mainstream price tag at launch, and it's apparent that even if they wanted to compete in graphics it would be rather difficult given the current strategies of their rivals.

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#86 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

yeah I am really hoping the Wii2 has more power then the PS3 and the 360 but at LEAST is on par with those. if its not I will be very disatisfied. This honestly is what scares me the most about buying a Wii. I want one but I am worried Nintendo will continue even more so in the direction of being cheap and weak. Graphics are not everything, but I sure do love them and if Nintendo doesn't up the power next time I can't say I will buy the console.

ThePlothole

Something you have to remember is that Nintendo never sells hardware at a loss. It's not their way. It's a risky strategy, especially when you're only invested in one market (Microsoft and Sony have several to fall back on). So even if they wanted to compete in graphics it would be rather difficult against their current rivals.

I know, but they could still at LEAST match the PS3/360 and stay at a max of 250 or lower. I think they could make the graphics better then that and make the console 250, unless they add some CRAZY innovation that takes most of the value. I mean the 360 started at 299.99 and you can get an arcade at 149.99 now. This means that about 2 years from now when things are even cheaper and new consoles are coming out, it seems unreasonable for the Wii2 to not have at least graphics on par with the 360 or PS3, although I think it should be better. I see no reason it can't close the gap a bit more then they had this gen. With the implementation of HD and low priced tech it will already be that much closer as the Wii doesnt have HD. Well heres to hoping :P.

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#87 LubiBaby
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Nintendo will compete next gen, regardless of the hardware, due to their pedigree creating top quality games. Simple as that.TranquilityX

i dont think quality is the case with Nintendo. i think its more along the lines of grandfather games like Mario and Zelda that help the Nintendo thrive into the 21st century.

instead of working on graphics chips or gameplay additions (might i add the interface is horrendousssss) they are oriented towards price and established games for marketing purposes (Mario and Zelda as previously stated)

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#88 sayyy-gaa
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How will Nintendo compete? Really? First off just wanna say I'm not a huge ninty fan as my username illustrates, but cmon people facts are facts. Nintendo has been doing it for over 25 years in VGs. They make great games and big money.

Look at their developers. Look at their games. Look at their numbers. Look at their profit margin. Worrying about nintendo in the gaming industry is akin to worrying about coca cola with beverages.

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#89 Mario1331
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Nintendo is up on the high horse again after so many years, all the cool folks must have a Wii but dont forget something... imo they were lucky, Nintendo fans can say too many times the Sony Move is a Wii controller rip off but lets not forget the concept of casual games was created by Sony to begin with (Eyetoy, Singstar) If you look at sales numbers N64 sold like 32,93 millions as for GC 21,52 millions, something like that, but the numbers aren't really important, important is that last time Nintendo had the best selling console of the generation was with the NES. Will they keep up with the success on their next console? I personally find hard, really the Wii was just the new thing, different and cheaper but you already hear so many people talking about how tired they are and how their Wiis are collecting dust, you see another thing in the line of motion controllers in the horizon? And honestly, if they just go for "Wii2" more powerfull and precise... thats what Sony doing right now with the Move.Kane04

whose tired of thei wiis?i havent heard that but from the same people on this forum who most liekly dont have a wii in the first place

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#90 Dahaka-UK
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:lol:

how will Nintendo compete :lol:

If you havent got it by now, you never will. The real question is, how will Sony and MS compete.

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Indeed, it's Nintendo that comes up with the ideas in the first place and Sony and Microsoft just copy.
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#91 GunSmith1_basic
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nintendo will always survive, the question is how will they stay on top? The gamecube and N64 were considered "failures" I guess but nintendo still made a ton of money off those systems. As for next gen, I think nintendo will be the least powerful console again, not by a full gen this time though. It will be the cheapest console too and the wiimote nunchuk design will be refined again