How long do you think this PC will last:

Before needing a complete upgrade?

(Im excluding the GPU)

C2D6300

3gb 667mhz DDR2 RAM

Socket 775 C2D Quad supporting PCIE MoBo

600W PSU

I would say at least 6 years 

The PCIE technology came into mainstream in 2005 the AGP was here since 1997 so it lasted 8 years...

We have lived with 512kb of cache and 533mhz FSB for almost 6 years the C2D6300 has 1066mhz FSB and 2mb of cache...guess how long it will last...

The Win XP worked with games fine on 1gb 400mhz RAM for another 6 years....

The 400W PSU was fine for 6 years up until the dx10 cards came into play... 

So Im confident that that setup wont bottleneck any card for at least  6 years.

6 months.

6 months.

explicthangnail

So youre saying that an 8800GTX in that machine will struggle to run games after 6 months? :lol: 

[QUOTE="explicthangnail"]

6 months.

True_Gamer_

So youre saying that an 8800GTX in that machine will struggle to run games after 6 months? :lol:

But you said excluding the GPU   

Before needing a complete upgrade?

(Im excluding the GPU)

C2D6300

3gb 667mhz DDR2 RAM

Socket 775 C2D Quad supporting PCIE MoBo

600W PSU

I would say at least 6 years 

The PCIE technology came into mainstream in 2005 the AGP was here since 1997 so it lasted 8 years...

We have lived with 512kb of cache and 533mhz FSB for almost 6 years the C2D6300 has 1066mhz FSB and 2mb of cache...guess how long it will last...

The Win XP worked with games fine on 1gb 400mhz RAM for another 6 years....

The 400W PSU was fine for 6 years up until the dx10 cards came into play... 

So Im confident that that setup wont bottleneck any card for at least  6 years.

True_Gamer_

I would say at least 6 years 

 

True_Gamer_

Perhaps if you played the games on ultra-low settings, with a frame-rate resembling a slide show

You don't have to upgrade if you want graphics to run at the core level of the graphics card. Any and almost all games can be scaled down to the level of the hardware in your system. PCs can last entire generations. Now I'm not saying this is a common option. I'm saying this IS an option. You don't have to upgrae to receive quality higher than or equal to consoles.Vandalvideo

 Vandal I meant the core system with stronger GPU added in 3 years time to give it a boost...

Now I can bet that a $150 2010 GPU will be much stronger than 8800GTX

You don't have to upgrade if you want graphics to run at the core level of the graphics card. Any and almost all games can be scaled down to the level of the hardware in your system. PCs can last entire generations. Now I'm not saying this is a common option. I'm saying this IS an option. You don't have to upgrae to receive quality higher than or equal to consoles.Vandalvideo

Tough to estimate, probably between 2 and 4 years. 4 to 6 if the power supply is upgraded.Spartan070

So a 750W one is must? Why is that? Im not talking about SLI system here... 

 [QUOTE="Spartan070"]Tough to estimate, probably between 2 and 4 years. 4 to 6 if the power supply is upgraded.True_Gamer_

So a 750W one is must? Why is that? Im not talking about SLI system here... 

I figured you'd be upgrading GPUs and eventually, as in 5-6 years, GPUs would start to require more power.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Tough to estimate, probably between 2 and 4 years. 4 to 6 if the power supply is upgraded.Spartan070

So a 750W one is must? Why is that? Im not talking about SLI system here...

I figured you'd be upgrading GPUs and eventually, as in 5-6 years, GPUs would start to require more power.

In 6 years that PC will require an extensive upgrade anyway... CPU/RAM/PSU and mobo in 8 years...

You don't have to upgrade if you want graphics to run at the core level of the graphics card. Any and almost all games can be scaled down to the level of the hardware in your system. PCs can last entire generations. Now I'm not saying this is a common option. I'm saying this IS an option. You don't have to upgrae to receive quality higher than or equal to consoles.Vandalvideo

I could also walk to work everyday and not buy a car, it's only 27 miles.  It's not a common option but it IS an option.  Yeah, an option so incredibly limiting that absolutely every sane person would literally laugh at the possibility.  I know you are correct in your assesment but that's literally laughable.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You don't have to upgrade if you want graphics to run at the core level of the graphics card. Any and almost all games can be scaled down to the level of the hardware in your system. PCs can last entire generations. Now I'm not saying this is a common option. I'm saying this IS an option. You don't have to upgrae to receive quality higher than or equal to consoles.Spartan070

I could also walk to work everyday and not buy a car, it's only 27 miles. It's not a common option but it IS an option. Yeah, an option so incredibly limiting that absolutely every sane person would literally laugh at the possibility. I know you are correct in your assesment but that's literally laughable.

But you see people dont laugh at the settings that console games run...So if one want to run games at same settings one doesnt have to upgrade at all...for the entire lifespan of the console...

As a new console is released one has to just upgrade the GPU and BAM! hes back on track... 

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You don't have to upgrade if you want graphics to run at the core level of the graphics card. Any and almost all games can be scaled down to the level of the hardware in your system. PCs can last entire generations. Now I'm not saying this is a common option. I'm saying this IS an option. You don't have to upgrae to receive quality higher than or equal to consoles.True_Gamer_

I could also walk to work everyday and not buy a car, it's only 27 miles. It's not a common option but it IS an option. Yeah, an option so incredibly limiting that absolutely every sane person would literally laugh at the possibility. I know you are correct in your assesment but that's literally laughable.

But you see people dont laugh at the settings that console games run...So if one want to run games at same settings one doesnt have to upgrade at all...for the entire lifespan of the console...

As a new console is released one has to just upgrade the GPU and BAM! hes back on track... 

Oh I know.  Vandal's implying that you don't even have to upgrade the graphics card.  You can just scale back, scale down, scale back, scale down until you have Crysis running on an ATI x700 or something.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You don't have to upgrade if you want graphics to run at the core level of the graphics card. Any and almost all games can be scaled down to the level of the hardware in your system. PCs can last entire generations. Now I'm not saying this is a common option. I'm saying this IS an option. You don't have to upgrae to receive quality higher than or equal to consoles.Spartan070

I could also walk to work everyday and not buy a car, it's only 27 miles. It's not a common option but it IS an option. Yeah, an option so incredibly limiting that absolutely every sane person would literally laugh at the possibility. I know you are correct in your assesment but that's literally laughable.

But you see people dont laugh at the settings that console games run...So if one want to run games at same settings one doesnt have to upgrade at all...for the entire lifespan of the console...

As a new console is released one has to just upgrade the GPU and BAM! hes back on track...

Oh I know. Vandal's implying that you don't even have to upgrade the graphics card. You can just scale back, scale down, scale back, scale down until you have Crysis running on an ATI x700 or something.

What I believe that he meant was compared to a single console...An 8600Ultra will run at this gen console settings just fine...and this is a $180 GPU...

The RAM is pretty weak, I'd go with DDR2 800; I'd also get a better CPU: E6600, E6700.

That PC should last 3-4 years. 

The RAM is pretty weak, I'd go with DDR2 800; I'd also get a better CPU: E6600, E6700.

That PC should last 3-4 years.

TrueReligion_

Weak for which game? And the 6300 oveclocked will run just fine...Crysis was running at 60fps and insane res on a single core CPU... 

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

The RAM is pretty weak, I'd go with DDR2 800; I'd also get a better CPU: E6600, E6700.

That PC should last 3-4 years.

True_Gamer_

Weak for which game? And the 6300 oveclocked will run just fine...Crysis was running at 60fps and insane res on a single core CPU...

You can OC a E6300 to beat a E6600. 

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

The RAM is pretty weak, I'd go with DDR2 800; I'd also get a better CPU: E6600, E6700.

That PC should last 3-4 years.

True_Gamer_

Weak for which game? And the 6300 oveclocked will run just fine...Crysis was running at 60fps and insane res on a single core CPU...

Yes, but you want this PC to last six years....:? 

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

The RAM is pretty weak, I'd go with DDR2 800; I'd also get a better CPU: E6600, E6700.

That PC should last 3-4 years.

TrueReligion_

Weak for which game? And the 6300 oveclocked will run just fine...Crysis was running at 60fps and insane res on a single core CPU...

Yes, but you want this PC to last six years....:?

With a decent GPU upgrade in 3 years (from a 8800GTX now) it will run just fine... read my OP how long each part lasted last gen...

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

The RAM is pretty weak, I'd go with DDR2 800; I'd also get a better CPU: E6600, E6700.

That PC should last 3-4 years.

True_Gamer_

Weak for which game? And the 6300 oveclocked will run just fine...Crysis was running at 60fps and insane res on a single core CPU...

Yes, but you want this PC to last six years....:?

With a decent GPU upgrade in 3 years (from a 8800GTX now) it will run just fine... read my OP how long each part lasted last gen...

If you really want a E6600 just wait until the end of April. There is gonna be a price drop. It will be around $240 then. Or you could just buy a E6450 (I think that's what it's called) for $180 and it has 4mb cache instead of 2mb of cache like the E6400. This CPU will last you a long time. CPU's don't need to be upgraded very much. 

Well, I'm a big PC defender, but I really doubt that your PC will last for the next six years.

I'd wait for AMDs dual-socketed mainboard, so you could plug another quad-core eventually. And I'd definitely take four gigabytes of, for example Corsair Dominator.

DDR3 will come soon, but DDR2 is probably going to last for the next six years.

PCI-Express Gen 2 is on its way also, but I believe that PCI-Express Gen 1 will be available long enough. 

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything PC... Till 2008. Then you will have a greater chance of it lasting longer.

I would wait for at-least a 2nd version of a DX10 card to come out. Because dev's will be targeting first gen DX10 cards mostly for a few years.

Not to mention... The longer you wait the cheaper stuff gets.

Just get some small upgrades if you need them and wait it out, for the right time to buy.

P.S.

This is just advice, for anyone considering a Vista gaming PC right now.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

I would say at least 6 years

 

Mass_Effect

Perhaps if you played the games on ultra-low settings, with a frame-rate resembling a slide show

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything PC... Till 2008. Then you will have a greater chance of it lasting longer.

I would wait for at-least a 2nd version of a DX10 card to come out. Because dev's will be targeting first gen DX10 cards mostly for a few years.

Not to mention... The longer you wait the cheaper stuff gets.

Just get some small upgrades if you need them and wait it out, for the right time to buy.

P.S.

This is just advice, for anyone considering a Vista gaming PC right now.

Truth_Hurts_U

Yeah sure but you can say that forever..."dont buy now wait it come better stuff for lower price" and end up with nothing.

Sure it will last 6 years, but you won't be able to play squat with it after that long.PS2_ROCKS

 Thats the key word...After 6 years it will require a $600 upgrade and BAM youre back on track...

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything PC... Till 2008. Then you will have a greater chance of it lasting longer.

I would wait for at-least a 2nd version of a DX10 card to come out. Because dev's will be targeting first gen DX10 cards mostly for a few years.

Not to mention... The longer you wait the cheaper stuff gets.

Just get some small upgrades if you need them and wait it out, for the right time to buy.

P.S.

This is just advice, for anyone considering a Vista gaming PC right now.

aroxx_ab

Yeah sure but you can say that forever..."dont buy now wait it come better stuff for lower price" and end up with nothing.

I give time lines. ;)

Before needing a complete upgrade?

(Im excluding the GPU)

C2D6300

3gb 667mhz DDR2 RAM

Socket 775 C2D Quad supporting PCIE MoBo

600W PSU

I would say at least 6 years 

The PCIE technology came into mainstream in 2005 the AGP was here since 1997 so it lasted 8 years...

We have lived with 512kb of cache and 533mhz FSB for almost 6 years the C2D6300 has 1066mhz FSB and 2mb of cache...guess how long it will last...

The Win XP worked with games fine on 1gb 400mhz RAM for another 6 years....

The 400W PSU was fine for 6 years up until the dx10 cards came into play... 

So Im confident that that setup wont bottleneck any card for at least  6 years.

True_Gamer_

I give your system 2 and a half years,  pushing 3.  I give my own system 4 pushing 5.  But ll most likey update my Ram, GPU's and maybe my PSU after a while.  my CPU will last a good while and my Mobo supports 3 PCIe slots. 

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

Before needing a complete upgrade?

(Im excluding the GPU)

C2D6300

3gb 667mhz DDR2 RAM

Socket 775 C2D Quad supporting PCIE MoBo

600W PSU

I would say at least 6 years

The PCIE technology came into mainstream in 2005 the AGP was here since 1997 so it lasted 8 years...

We have lived with 512kb of cache and 533mhz FSB for almost 6 years the C2D6300 has 1066mhz FSB and 2mb of cache...guess how long it will last...

The Win XP worked with games fine on 1gb 400mhz RAM for another 6 years....

The 400W PSU was fine for 6 years up until the dx10 cards came into play...

So Im confident that that setup wont bottleneck any card for at least 6 years.

salzdaprinze

I give your system 2 and a half years, pushing 3. I give my own system 4 pushing 5. But ll most likey update my Ram, GPU's and maybe my PSU after a while. my CPU will last a good while and my Mobo supports 3 PCIe slots.

So tell me again why should I upgrade the MoBo? The CPU? Have you even seen the recommended specs on PC games? 90% of PC games are GPU reliant...

[QUOTE="salzdaprinze"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

Before needing a complete upgrade?

(Im excluding the GPU)

C2D6300

3gb 667mhz DDR2 RAM

Socket 775 C2D Quad supporting PCIE MoBo

600W PSU

I would say at least 6 years

The PCIE technology came into mainstream in 2005 the AGP was here since 1997 so it lasted 8 years...

We have lived with 512kb of cache and 533mhz FSB for almost 6 years the C2D6300 has 1066mhz FSB and 2mb of cache...guess how long it will last...

The Win XP worked with games fine on 1gb 400mhz RAM for another 6 years....

The 400W PSU was fine for 6 years up until the dx10 cards came into play...

So Im confident that that setup wont bottleneck any card for at least 6 years.

True_Gamer_

I give your system 2 and a half years, pushing 3. I give my own system 4 pushing 5. But ll most likey update my Ram, GPU's and maybe my PSU after a while. my CPU will last a good while and my Mobo supports 3 PCIe slots.

So tell me again why should I upgrade the MoBo? The CPU? Have you even seen the recommended specs on PC games? 90% of PC games are GPU reliant...

True, Actually your mobo seems fine if you can still upgrade to a quad core CPU and add more ram, so on.....  You will probably have to upgrade your PSU though with future cards. As for GPU's,   they last for a short time before a better/faster one comes out.

Before needing a complete upgrade?

(Im excluding the GPU)

C2D6300

3gb 667mhz DDR2 RAM

Socket 775 C2D Quad supporting PCIE MoBo

600W PSU

I would say at least 6 years 

The PCIE technology came into mainstream in 2005 the AGP was here since 1997 so it lasted 8 years...

We have lived with 512kb of cache and 533mhz FSB for almost 6 years the C2D6300 has 1066mhz FSB and 2mb of cache...guess how long it will last...

The Win XP worked with games fine on 1gb 400mhz RAM for another 6 years....

The 400W PSU was fine for 6 years up until the dx10 cards came into play... 

So Im confident that that setup wont bottleneck any card for at least  6 years.

True_Gamer_

you need to ditch that garbage and get a more powerful system like the Nintendo Wii.

[QUOTE="explicthangnail"]

6 months.

True_Gamer_

So youre saying that an 8800GTX in that machine will struggle to run games after 6 months? :lol: 

6 months.

explicthangnail

hmm....the processor might need an upgrade in about 18 months if u want to get the best out games. valve in particualr are going nuts with the processors. still u could overclock it which would make it last around 2 years. i hear that chip is the business for overclocking.

ram should be fine for around 3 years.

graphics card could be longer.

it depends on the level of detail u will accept in a game. if u want to be running the latest and greatest at huge resolutions with everything turned on then the 8800gtx is going to struggle with crysis and beyond. personally i run my games at 1280x1024 which is fine for my 19" monitor. I dont mind turning off things like AA and AF and character shadows but i still like to keep texture details and draw distances at max though. 

Don't get a 8800GTX. The R600 XT has similar performance and will retail for the same price as the cheaper GTS 8800. Check this thread. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17712718&page=37&pp=30

Basically one of the workers for one of the Uk's leading PC hardware dealers (overclockers.co.uk) is in possesion of an R600 but can only hint at its perfomance at the moment due to NDA restrictions (but has pretty much confirmed its faster then the 8800GTX). The link i posted is @ page 37 but if you scim through from the 1st page youll get a ruff idea. 100% legit.

hmm....the processor might need an upgrade in about 18 months if u want to get the best out games. valve in particualr are going nuts with the processors. still u could overclock it which would make it last around 2 years. i hear that chip is the business for overclocking.

ram should be fine for around 3 years.

graphics card could be longer.

it depends on the level of detail u will accept in a game. if u want to be running the latest and greatest at huge resolutions with everything turned on then the 8800gtx is going to struggle with crysis and beyond. personally i run my games at 1280x1024 which is fine for my 19" monitor. I dont mind turning off things like AA and AF and character shadows but i still like to keep texture details and draw distances at max though.

osan0

Crysis was running on a single core CPU with just one 8800GTX at 1600p at 60fps...

So this CPU will be just fine...if overclocked it wont bottleneck any GPU in 6 years time easily... 

No one can tell you, when we have to guess at what Vid Card you'll be using, since that is a big factor in how your comp will run games..... but if you went top of the line vid card... then I'd say 2 years with High End settings in place for most games..... and 3-4 years if you wanna run games at lower res, with fewer effects turned on!Zandeus

No I asked how long the OTHER parts besides the GPU will last...

If it runs games at 1280x720p/4xAA/2xAF ALL other effects would be maxed easily...And that would guarantee 30fps... 

you might be able to make it 4 years if the market goes in your favor, but it's much more likely you'll upgrade after 1.5 or 2 years.
jrhawk42

Upgrade what? 

[QUOTE="jrhawk42"]you might be able to make it 4 years if the market goes in your favor, but it's much more likely you'll upgrade after 1.5 or 2 years.
True_Gamer_

Upgrade what?

most of the time it's the cpu or gpu, I see it all the time hardware cycles are about 6 months and after 3 hardware cycles more people feel the need to upgrade eventhough it's not needed.  Why do you think the 7k series sold so well, it wasn't needed, and was pretty much considered a terrible buy by logical hermit who knew dx10 was right around the corner.