How long has Sony been lying about the PC ports?

Keep crying my man 😂😂😂

LOL! Continue to expect more threads from him with "What an exciting time to be a Playstation fan!" 😂😂😂

I didn’t actually see the show, so I was unaware about miles morales being bundled with it. Well with the exception of MM, I'm correct, and as of now Sony isn’t doing day 1 releases to the pc.

As of now. The day 1 is inevitable. It is best to accept it now so that you don't need to move the goalpost later.

I think the ability to change strategies flexibly depending on the situation is not a weakness but a strength of the company. I expect Sony will be a major player not only in the console market, but also in the PC gaming market with their games in the future.

That said, it is worth noting that Sony is only releasing last gen games, not current, on PC so far. For this reason, I think the demand for PS5 will even increase further as many players who play HZD, Spider-Man or God of War on their PC would be lured into buying PS5 to play the sequels such as HFW, Spider-Man 2 or God of War: Ragnarok.

Eh, calling Miles Morales a last gen game is really stretching the meaning of it.

Miles Morales was a PS5 launch title, alongside Bugsnax and Demon's Souls

@R4gn4r0k: Well, MM is basically an expansion of Spider-Man (2018), sold independently, and also available on PS4. But it can be rephrased as "a cross-gen game released a few years ago." I can assure that upcoming games such as Spider-Man 2, Wolverine, God of War: Ragnarok, Ghost of Tsushima 2 will not be available on PC day 1.

@st_monica: The average PC gamer does not want to waste money buying a PS5 just to play exclusives. They want to play the games on PC.

@BassMan: Well, the average PC gamer just plays F2P trash, as evidenced by the list of most played games on Steam. I’m talking about gaming enthusiasts who play what they want to play, regardless of platform.

PlayStation has no games

That's the thing... I am an enthusiast and I avoid playing games on my PS5 because it is inferior to my PC. I wouldn't own a console at all if not for exclusives. I am still waiting for Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon Forbidden West to come to PC because I do not want to play them on PS5. I wish Sony would just do like MS and let people play the way they want day one.

@BassMan: Well, I don’t know, man. It kinda sounds like PC fetishism to me, because the PS5 is good enough to play those exclusives unless you’d absolutely need 8k ultrawide or some sort. Generally speaking, we don't call people who claim to only watch movies shown at the IMAX theater and avoid the rest as film enthusiasts.

@st_monica: My monitor is 3440x1440/175hz and my TV is 4K/120hz. The PS5 is ill equipped to make the most of my screens. No ultrawide support, scaled back graphics, lower resolutions and struggles to push high frame rates. Also, limited control options, no mods, limited backward compatibility, etc.. It is a very limited $400-500 box.

Cows can't even fanboy it up as good as they can on PC....

Exactly. We were told they would never release on PC years ago when we said they would.

That's a tiny Master Chief lol.

@Juub1990: That is how the cows view him. LOL

But yeah, it is just a model scaled and rigged to work with the existing Baldur setup.

@BassMan: Well, I know that you can comfortably play PS5 games on your TV or monitor, though. Again, it seems weird to me not to play the games you want to play because they aren't on PC. I'm a Sony fan, but I bought a Switch right away because I wanted to play BotW, and I also have a decent gaming PC, mostly for playing retro games.

Also, I'm so busy playing video games that I don't have time to masturbate with such childish mods for the last gen game:)

Do you have proof of this, because “as of now” Sony already stated that day 1 isn’t on the radar “as of now”.

@ermacness: Refer to the unbold.

Well what evidence you guys had at that time that those games were going to pc?

Ok, what proof do you have of this?

@ermacness: None, but claims from Sony fannies is that these games will never come to PC. Y'all were wrong. 😂 Now, you all are holding on to the idea that Sony wouldn't do day one with PC. A smaller jump from releasing games on PC, but you all are so desperate to hold on to the old practice, that even the most blatant next step is to hard to swallow.🤷‍♂️

Its called currency, money, dough, scratch, cash. We knew that these companies are in business to make more of it. So obviously they would see the advantage of selling to a market on PC as Xbox did.

@st_monica: Take Horizon Forbidden West for example.... The game had a shit performance mode since launch. Couldn't even enjoy a decent 60fps. Plagued with brutal shimmer, low resolution, and inconsistent performance. Supposedly, the shimmer has been addressed with the latest patch, but the game has slowly been downgraded with patches. There is barely any tree or foliage sway now because it was difficult for the temporal upscaling. Now the game seems more static and lifeless.

I don't want to deal with that shit especially after enjoying Horizon Zero Dawn on PC. I want max settings, ultrawide and high frame rates. There are always compromises on consoles when optimizing for weak hardware. If people want to play under those conditions, that is fine, but at least give people the option for a better experience on PC right away.

I also bought a Nintendo Switch at launch for Breath of the Wild, but later sold it once I saw how much better the emulated version on PC was. Why the heck would I want to play on inferior consoles if I don't have to? All about quality and PC is where it is at...

All games deserve to be on PC so that they can be enjoyed to the fullest. Fuk exclusives.

@BassMan:

Again, you missed the point. What I mean is that you seem abnormally obsessed with performances instead of playing the games you want to play. It seems bizarre because for most gamers, playing the games they want to play is a priority, but you are not.

Most people enjoy HFW on PS5 with solid performance from start to finish. You just seem to pretend to be DigitalFoundry just to whine about things most people don't really care about. Also, the HZD PC port had way more technical issues than HFW on PS5. It is very cute to pretend as if these problems did not exist because they do not fit your "PC master race" narrative.

• Horizon Zero Dawn PC Port Suffers From A Host Of Technical Issues

Of course, it's nice to be able to play some games later on PC with better performance. But I prioritize playing games (like BotW) as soon as they are released, regardless of performance. You won't get that experience later if you play it on an emulator or port. The same is true for games released exclusively on PS5 and PS4. For example, the enthusiasm of PlayStation users playing God of War in 2018 cannot be emulated by playing its port three years later no matter how expensive your PC is.

But yeah, this is likely to be a roundabout debate where I argue that it's important to play games you want to play regardless of platform/performance, and you argue that performance is more important. So that's all from me.

@st_monica: I like to play the games I want the way that I want. I will wait for patches or a PC release to achieve that. Playing a game while it is trending is not important to me unless it is a MP game I am playing with friends. I only recently started playing H:ZD on PC and it is now a very good port after patches. I originally played it on PS4 Pro, but never fully enjoyed it because of technical limitations. I could have played it on PS5 after the 60fps patch, but I chose to play it on PC because it is better. If the game is not up to par, I will just avoid it until I can play it under the right conditions. It is better than having a compromised experience and not fully enjoying a game.

Although Sony want the extra cash, they sure didn’t need it. Most of their exclusives sell by the boatloads by themselves as exclusives. This isn’t the same scenario as Xbox where not only Xbox had only a handful of exclusives (unlike Sony), but even fewer moved many units. Just look at Forza, it was reviewed higher than GT in virtually every iteration, but GT blew it out of the water in sales in virtually every iteration. The only Xbox exclusive that continued to sale in abundance was the Halo, but even then it didn’t move the units that it used to. The Xbox best gen was the 360 (in which the ps3 still ended up beating it out, and that was the ps worst gen), while the Xbox worst gen couldn’t even do ps3 numbers to the point that xbox completely stopped posting sales units data at one time. This is why Sony isn’t so quick to push day 1 availability for their exclusives to the pc, they still have a fanbase to support, and their fans rarely have let them down. Now I know that they’ll go day 1 exclusives to pc, eventually but I do believe that it won’t be all titles at once. It’ll be a few, then more will go, but Sony have a very loyal fanbase and they aren’t really ready to just completely give them reason to abandon their consoles just yet, because I’m willing to bet anyone here that once Sony goes day one exclusive to pc, they’ll see a decline in their console sales, it probably won’t be much, but it’ll be there.

Are you suggesting MSFT needed $ more than Sony? You do realize MS could buy the entirety of Sony corp multiple times over? LOL

Hardware sales have never been where the bread is buttered. Its software sales and Sony realizes selling more with the PC market is where its at.

Business has never been about needing money at this level. Its about maximizing profit. Sony most definitely needed to do that.

Less than 2 years and its coming to PC. Once they work out the sweet spot of the length of time to milk PS owners they will all be coming to PC and it will be months not years.

Then I have bad news for you because your overlord has publicly stated multiple times that they want to release 6-7 'trash' until 2025. They also paid a premium to buy Bungie so they can teach their teams MP 101. ROFLMAO! Apparently you can disguise sh*t gameplay/game design behind production values in MP. May be the average console gamers also just play trash like these, I would assume.

@BassMan said:

@st_monica: Take Horizon Forbidden West for example.... The game had a shit performance mode since launch. Couldn't even enjoy a decent 60fps. Plagued with brutal shimmer, low resolution, and inconsistent performance. Supposedly, the shimmer has been addressed with the latest patch, but the game has slowly been downgraded with patches. There is barely any tree or foliage sway now because it was difficult for the temporal upscaling. Now the game seems more static and lifeless.

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I don't want to deal with that shit especially after enjoying Horizon Zero Dawn on PC. I want max settings, ultrawide and high frame rates. There are always compromises on consoles when optimizing for weak hardware. If people want to play under those conditions, that is fine, but at least give people the option for a better experience on PC right away.

I also bought a Nintendo Switch at launch for Breath of the Wild, but later sold it once I saw how much better the emulated version on PC was. Why the heck would I want to play on inferior consoles if I don't have to? All about quality and PC is where it is at...

All games deserve to be on PC so that they can be enjoyed to the fullest. Fuk exclusives.

Holy shit! I had no idea it was this bad when using the performance mode. I always prefer better framerates to better graphics but this isn't the case I'm seeing now. I'm still gonna buy PS5 but after seeing Spider-Man/Miles Morales and Returnal coming to PC soon, I'll probably just wait for PS5 Pro if Sony's gonna support PC much sooner than we thought. And we already know Forbidden West is coming to PC all thanks to GeForce Nvidia leak. I'll wait until this hits for PC.

@pc_rocks: Well, you are right, I do not deny that F2P trash is also very popular among the average console gamers. Although, Sony and Nintendo have very successful first party premier games that are played by just as many users. (e.g. Spider-Man on PS4/5 sold 33 million copies)

We still don't know much about the live-service games that Sony plans to develop with Bungie. For one thing, they are just a part of the many projects that Sony has in the works, and developing them does not mean that Sony will stop developing traditional AAA games. I expect that by mixing them well, Sony will enhance the platform to appeal to an even more diverse audience.

Nintendo, yes! Sony not so much. Spiderman is an exception due to being a very beloved IP and the success of MCU. A functional game with high production values would sell.

As for Sony stop making traditional AAA games, well other publishers haven't stopped making them either so I'm not sure what your point is.

@pc_rocks: Well, the Spider-Man sales is not an exception when other first-party games like TLoU, HZD and GoW also sold 20+million copies. Also, I just wanted to make it clear that Sony's future strategy is not just about live services.

Pretty sure both HZD and GoW crosses the 20M mark after release on PC and TLOU was on two systems. So yeah, Spiderman was an exception compared to Nintendo. Battlefront also did very high numbers IIRC even though it was widely hated. Good marketing for a beloved IP can do that.

Oh and you don't know about Sony's future strategy at all. That's what you just wish would happen. Just like you wished Sony exclusives won't come to PC and are now wishing won't be day 1.

@pc_rocks: The point I have made is the fact that Sony first-party games have a large presence on PlayStation platforms, and there is no point in further discussing the semantics of the term "exception" as you put it.

As for Sony's future strategy, I suggest you refer to the following article:

• Sony Will Keep Making Single-player Games Alongside Live Service Experiences

The article you outlined is a PR piece, nothing more nothing less. They don't have any obligation to follow it. Unless you're an executive at PS, you have no idea about Sony's future stratagey just like you didn't have in the past and hence the outrageous claims from your faction.

It's OK cows. No need to worry.

why? its more money for sony to get more studio's or more staff to make more than one game at a time.

insomniac made miles and ratchet at the sametime.

Spiderman 2 and wolverine are both in development.

returnal was made for pc before sony bought them.

I believe in first party. first party should always develop there games on one platform then port it. game comes out better. look at xbox games always in beta form while sony games are complete games at launch.

why they hired pc developers just to make ports.

easier on the developer.

sony engines are made for ps specs and software. not pcs

pc is not xbox no matter how much xbox fans think it is.

I think you mean Sony games are always in beta form while MS games are complete games at launch.

? please stop. how is that so?

halo is still in beta form.

sea of thieves was in beta form for years.

now grounded.

every game other than forza has not been completed at launch.

heck if no one complained about halo there first showing it would of launched like that with out being delayed.

Gran Turismo 7 is still in beta form and missing a ton of content.

TLOU2 is still missing half of the game

GT Sport was still in beta form and STILL is missing a ton of content

Heck, that is how every Sony game is. Look at Horizon Forbidden West. Fun game, but that was a dumpster fire upon release. Performance and patch disaster.

What? they add cars but not game content.

I even said forza but they will add cars.

tlou2 half the game? I can't beat the game?

its advertised as a single player game.

so now performance patches = beta form?

no the fact is xbox games I mentioned even says this may change after release.

Gran Turismo 7 is still missing a ton of single player content. They said they plan to add more over time. The campaign is the shortest campaign of the entire series, which is why they are still trying to push out more content to finish the game. They were not able to finish all the cafe books in time for the release and plan to release them as time goes on. And of course it has been released as a buggy unfinished nightmare, and patches have been fast and furious.

TLOU2 is still missing half of the game after almost 3 years. Not sure when ND plans on finishing it. Unlike Halo, which is missing the co-op option and the map maker, Halo's promised campaign and multiplayer was released. When do you think ND will finally finish TLOU2? Looks like they are more focused on remasters, like The Last of Us Part 1 instead of finishing TLOU2.

Yes, performance patches, bug patches are beta form.

Not true actually. Sony makes most it's profit off the 30% cut it gets from software on third party games. For them to continue to get that the PS5 needs to be a valid primary gaming system. If the PC gets all their exclusives Playstation will lose half their fanbase within 5 years. So even though their exclusives will sell they will lose third party sales as many people will migrate to PC's. With Sony focusing on getting their games to as many people as possible expect fewer high quality single player titles to get people invested in their ecosystem . I expect lots of trash tier GAAS games in the future.

People forget Jim Ryan was the head of PS Europe when Sony was on the verge of bankruptcy. He now leads the entire PS division. He is going to run them in the ground before they figure this strategy is a failure.

The moment Microsoft launched their exclusives on Steam and sold millions of copies.

@x_hedon: half the game? Fractions already confirmed as a stand alone game.

Yup. It was supposed to come with Factions originally, but they said they had to delay Factions because it was taking longer than they first though due to the scope. We are now on a 3 year delay.

@x_hedon: I rather them make fractions the way they are than a tacked on online game.

I guess it was too simple for you.🤷🏽‍♀️

Well apparently it's to complex for you. Let me break it down. They will lose more $$ in the long run. By a wide margin.