How low has microsoft gotten with gamers primarily PC gamers?Rant!

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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

What good have the done for PC Gaming this gen? DX11 and Windows 7 is the best and onlyI can think of.

NoodleFighter

I like to think of it more in terms of "What bad things have they done to me?"

Which is basically nothing.

They've provided me with Windows 7, they'll be providing me with a new MS Flight Simulator in the near future, and they've released a few games on PC.

Not only that, but they've actually given the rights to create games in their franchises to developers who want to make them. We'll be getting Mech Warrior Online this year. That's not something I'm angry about.

Games For Windows Live, Windows Vista, Halo 2 Vista only..................

Remedy had to BEG to get Alan Wake on PC the platform it was originally designed for since Microsoft decided to be a **** and buy it out to be exclusively on Xbox 360.

The pretty much stole Epic Games and LionHead from PC gamers especially epic games being a top teir in PC gaming.

But nearly every gamer buys windows to play PC games and multiple versions of them actually

And Windows is an MS platform

They totally control PC gaming really, DirectX too

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

I like to think of it more in terms of "What bad things have they done to me?"

Which is basically nothing.

They've provided me with Windows 7, they'll be providing me with a new MS Flight Simulator in the near future, and they've released a few games on PC.

Not only that, but they've actually given the rights to create games in their franchises to developers who want to make them. We'll be getting Mech Warrior Online this year. That's not something I'm angry about.

SW__Troll

Games For Windows Live, Windows Vista, Halo 2 Vista only..................

Remedy had to BEG to get Alan Wake on PC the platform it was originally designed for since Microsoft decided to be a **** and buy it out to be exclusively on Xbox 360.

The pretty much stole Epic Games and LionHead from PC gamers especially epic games being a top teir in PC gaming.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

But nearly every gamer buys windows to play PC games and multiple versions of them actually

And Windows is an MS platform

They totally control PC gaming really, DirectX too

AdrianWerner

Most PC gamers buy windows and play games on them, so in a way all PC gaming is about Microsoft Windows right now

And they definatly make PC gamers buy new windows every now and then

They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.

They dropped support for the Xbox as soon as the 360 was announced.

They dropped hardcore gamers (for lack of a better word) in favor of motion controls.

Sure, they are a company and there is nothing wrong with going where the money is (nowadays it seems to be motion controls) but there is also a thing like customer loyalty which MS seems to forget about.

They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.

They dropped support for the Xbox as soon as the 360 was announced.

They dropped hardcore gamers (for lack of a better word) in favor of motion controls.

Sure, they are a company and there is nothing wrong with going where the money is (nowadays it seems to be motion controls) but there is also a thing like customer loyalty which MS seems to forget about.

R4gn4r0k

Actually they hardly dropped anything other than xbox 1, which was expected in the first place

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I like how you use the word "steal" like they were somehow yours to begin with.

Laugable and shows how immature some hermits can be.Lionhead were bought out willingly and done what they want, Epic's still indie and went and done what they want and branched out.

Thats life, why restrict yourself to 1 platform when theres w whole world out there (in epics case) sure GeoW is a console franchise but their engines,tech and other games are available on other platforms.

NoodleFighter

Well it's considered "stealing" since they're pretty much pro-PC gaming and famous among the PC crowd.

When microsoft hired them they're pretty much "FAWK PC GAMING, ITS FOR CASUALS, PIRATES AND WOW GAMERS!!!" Well maybe just Cliffy B.

They didn't take PC gamers seriously either with bulletstorm since they pretty much made us wait 4 MONTHS for the demo and the game was released 2 months before that.

Its not stealing, its called buisness, might be wise for you to read up and spec up aswell as getting a more mature outlook on the industry.

It's all down to money aswell, they arent charities, they arent your best friend, someone offers you money and they say jump you say how high.

Most PC gamers buy windows and play games on them, so in a way all PC gaming is about Microsoft Windows right now

And they definatly make PC gamers buy new windows every now and then

loosingENDS

So it would be correct to say MS has great influence over pcgaming, but not control over it.

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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

I like to think of it more in terms of "What bad things have they done to me?"

Which is basically nothing.

They've provided me with Windows 7, they'll be providing me with a new MS Flight Simulator in the near future, and they've released a few games on PC.

Not only that, but they've actually given the rights to create games in their franchises to developers who want to make them. We'll be getting Mech Warrior Online this year. That's not something I'm angry about.

SW__Troll

Games For Windows Live, Windows Vista, Halo 2 Vista only..................

Remedy had to BEG to get Alan Wake on PC the platform it was originally designed for since Microsoft decided to be a **** and buy it out to be exclusively on Xbox 360.

The pretty much stole Epic Games and LionHead from PC gamers especially epic games being a top teir in PC gaming.

But its existed, we probably never would of gotten Alan Wake if Remedy didn't beg to Microsoft to have the game on the platform it was originally designed for :cry:

No need to bash on Halo Wars. It was a fine RTS and a damn good attempt at bringing RTSs to consoles. The fact that it sold well and still has an extremely active community says something. But yeah Microsoft can suck it on the PC side. Have you seen the business model they have for Age of Empires Online? It's insane: $20 for a civilization, or $100 for a 6 month season pass. No thanks. And Vista sucked ass, like major ass. I never thought I could hate a piece of software as much as I did Vista.AcidSoldner

The situation has been improved though, the 6 month pass has turned into a 2 year pass and the 20 bucks for a civ was changed into 10$ because of the massive amount of complaints.

But eventhough I am a huge Age of Empires fan I still don't like AoE:O as much as I did the other games, they should come up with a true sequel or a sequel to Age of Mythology.

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They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.

They dropped support for the Xbox as soon as the 360 was announced.

They dropped hardcore gamers (for lack of a better word) in favor of motion controls.

Sure, they are a company and there is nothing wrong with going where the money is (nowadays it seems to be motion controls) but there is also a thing like customer loyalty which MS seems to forget about.

loosingENDS

Actually they hardly dropped anything other than xbox 1, which was expected in the first place

So they definitely did drop PC gaming in favor of Xbox. Fortunatelly that seems to be changing nowadays.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.

They dropped support for the Xbox as soon as the 360 was announced.

They dropped hardcore gamers (for lack of a better word) in favor of motion controls.

Sure, they are a company and there is nothing wrong with going where the money is (nowadays it seems to be motion controls) but there is also a thing like customer loyalty which MS seems to forget about.

loosingENDS

Actually they hardly dropped anything other than xbox 1, which was expected in the first place

How many exclusives are coming for 360 that require kinect ?

How many exclusivesare coming for 360 that don't require kinect ?

You go ahead and continue to lie to yourself if you want.

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I like how you use the word "steal" like they were somehow yours to begin with.

Laugable and shows how immature some hermits can be.Lionhead were bought out willingly and done what they want, Epic's still indie and went and done what they want and branched out.

Thats life, why restrict yourself to 1 platform when theres w whole world out there (in epics case) sure GeoW is a console franchise but their engines,tech and other games are available on other platforms.

razgriz_101

Well it's considered "stealing" since they're pretty much pro-PC gaming and famous among the PC crowd.

When microsoft hired them they're pretty much "FAWK PC GAMING, ITS FOR CASUALS, PIRATES AND WOW GAMERS!!!" Well maybe just Cliffy B.

They didn't take PC gamers seriously either with bulletstorm since they pretty much made us wait 4 MONTHS for the demo and the game was released 2 months before that.

Its not stealing, its called buisness, might be wise for you to read up and spec up aswell as getting a more mature outlook on the industry.

It's all down to money aswell, they arent charities, they arent your best friend, someone offers you money and they say jump you say how high.

Well duh but they pretty much ruined their current relationship with PC Gamers and some are even tempted to beat the crap out of Cliffy B. for what he said.

Does being a business excuse being a dickhead to certain group of gamers?

They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.R4gn4r0k

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Most PC gamers buy windows and play games on them, so in a way all PC gaming is about Microsoft Windows right now

And they definatly make PC gamers buy new windows every now and then

AdrianWerner

So it would be correct to say MS has great influence over pcgaming, but not control over it.

Actually they do make people buy new windows, if they want to use latest DX11 effects or have better stability etc

Absolute control indeed, they dont have, but do indirectly make customers buy windows eventually, all those that have XP, had something else before as well and will eventually move to windows 8 since most games will support DX11 next gen

And Windows are an MS platform, nearly all PC games game on a platform from Microsoft

some are even tempted to beat the crap out of Cliffy B. for what he said.

NoodleFighter

I wouldn't worry about that.

Actually they do make people buy new windows, if they want to use latest DX11 effects or have better stability etcloosingENDS

That's not "making" anyone do anything. That's attempting to convice people to buy it. But thye can't force them. Heck...look how few games actually use dx11, let alone how hardly any is dx11-only.

Their lack of control over pcgaming is the reason why they're focuising on Xbox360. Easier to make money on platform you actually control than on the one you don't.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.edidili

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.edidili

FreeLancer

And as far as I know they own the rights to Battletech/MechWarrior.

MS has been hindering PC gaming since forever by monopolizing the industry. There's no space for real competition so, software wise, the evolution of the market depends on one company: Microsoft.kuraimen

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]They dropped PC gaming in favor of the Xbox.edidili

Flight simulator

Mech Commander

Mech Warrior

Freelancer

Rise of Nations

Crimson Skies

Zoo Tycoon :P

What I mean by dropped is: they made their studios focus exclusivly on making games for Xbox and 360 instead of PC.

Look at Rare for example, they are now focusing soley on Kinect.

Now look at Sony are they completely dropping PS3 support in favor of the Vita ? No they are not.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]MS has been hindering PC gaming since forever by monopolizing the industry. There's no space for real competition so, software wise, the evolution of the market depends on one company: Microsoft.AdrianWerner

Absolute control indeed, they dont have, but do indirectly make customers buy windows eventually, all those that have XP, had something else before as well and will eventually move to windows 8 since most games will support DX11 next genloosingENDS

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some are even tempted to beat the crap out of Cliffy B. for what he said.

waltefmoney

I wouldn't worry about that.

Yep Average PC Gamer

Cliffy B

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]MS has been hindering PC gaming since forever by monopolizing the industry. There's no space for real competition so, software wise, the evolution of the market depends on one company: Microsoft.kuraimen

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Actually they do make people buy new windows, if they want to use latest DX11 effects or have better stability etcAdrianWerner

That's not "making" anyone do anything. That's attempting to convice people to buy it. But thye can't force them. Heck...look how few games actually use dx11, let alone how hardly any is dx11-only.

Their lack of control over pcgaming is the reason why they're focuising on Xbox360. Easier to make money on platform you actually control than on the one you don't.

When their attempt to get PC gamers to buy Vista to play Halo 2, to use Games For Windows Live and pay for it and when they failed they pretty much said "FAWK IT WE WANT IT OUR WAY!!!" an went back to milking Xbox 360 gamers since they can't do anything since they're on a closed platform under microsofts control.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]To be honest, without them PC gaming would never grow to be a huge market though. Games are costly to make, so fragmentation kills the market. iOS vs Android is best example of that.

AdrianWerner

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't think so there are many costly things out there that are made in a competitive environment. Why should games be different? I think the industry would advance more rapidly with more competition.kuraimen

Explains that normally games that use OpenGL are most likely available for Mac and Linux

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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Well it's considered "stealing" since they're pretty much pro-PC gaming and famous among the PC crowd.

When microsoft hired them they're pretty much "FAWK PC GAMING, ITS FOR CASUALS, PIRATES AND WOW GAMERS!!!" Well maybe just Cliffy B.

They didn't take PC gamers seriously either with bulletstorm since they pretty much made us wait 4 MONTHS for the demo and the game was released 2 months before that.

NoodleFighter

Its not stealing, its called buisness, might be wise for you to read up and spec up aswell as getting a more mature outlook on the industry.

It's all down to money aswell, they arent charities, they arent your best friend, someone offers you money and they say jump you say how high.

Well duh but they pretty much ruined their current relationship with PC Gamers and some are even tempted to beat the crap out of Cliffy B. for what he said.

Does being a business excuse being a dickhead to certain group of gamers?

Clearly never heard of prioritization and forecasting

They usually forecast based on current trend what sells and where, they then focus on these areas first they then focus on these as they are essentially the key demographics.

In the case of bulletstorm it may have been forecast (taking previous trends into account) that it might not sell aswell, so thus less money is poured into that version.

Simple rule of thumb why invest more into a platform that has a high chance of not selling more.

Lionhead were meh anyway, they never made a good game except black and white 1

Bullfrog was god tier, not so much Lionhead

Epic were okay, Unreal was a good Quake clone, UT99/2004 were good, but thats it

MS only stole Remedy and Ensemble from PC gamers

Bullfrog got absorbed into EAUK which was a sad day.

I still want them to reboot theme hospital but it wont happen ;(

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't think so there are many costly things out there that are made in a competitive environment. Why should games be different? I think the industry would advance more rapidly with more competition.kuraimen

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Its not stealing, its called buisness, might be wise for you to read up and spec up aswell as getting a more mature outlook on the industry.

It's all down to money aswell, they arent charities, they arent your best friend, someone offers you money and they say jump you say how high.

razgriz_101

Well duh but they pretty much ruined their current relationship with PC Gamers and some are even tempted to beat the crap out of Cliffy B. for what he said.

Does being a business excuse being a dickhead to certain group of gamers?

Clearly never heard of prioritization and forecasting

They usually forecast based on current trend what sells and where, they then focus on these areas first they then focus on these as they are essentially the key demographics.

In the case of bulletstorm it may have been forecast (taking previous trends into account) that it might not sell aswell, so thus less money is poured into that version.

Simple rule of thumb why invest more into a platform that has a high chance of not selling more.

Who said they had to invest more into PC then consoles? Just treat them as equals or very close to it

Seriously is making a specific group of gamers on a platform what 2 months later for a demo AFTER LAUNCH really going to help your sales?

MS only stole Remedy and Ensemble from PC gamers

HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

MS only stole Remedy and Ensemble from PC gamers

AdrianWerner

Bullfrog got absorbed into EAUK which was a sad day.

I still want them to reboot theme hospital but it wont happen ;(

razgriz_101

more like Dungeon Keeper 3

but if made today be an FPS anyway

RAMIREZ, LORD OF THE LAND APPROACHES

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Example of Android proves you're wrong. Big business needs standarization to succeed.

AdrianWerner

Could be but that's not necessarily good for the customers. When the browser monopoly was broken and IE got competition the browser technology thrived. Before it basically relied on Microsoft's pace and we needed something like Firefox to realize how backwards and stuck it was. The same arguments you're using could be used for any industry. People could say we only need one car maker since that would pretty much standardize every car part to the fullest and make life easier to part makers but then again that would suck for the consumer.

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

MS only stole Remedy and Ensemble from PC gamers

harshv82

think Peter M done more damage to Lionhead than MS really did :P

[QUOTE="harshv82"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Umm..Access, FASA, Big Huge Games, ACES,

razgriz_101

think Peter M done more damage to Lionhead than MS really did :P

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

MS only stole Remedy and Ensemble from PC gamers

harshv82

Bungie were never good until Halo, Marathon was meh

the other devs you listed are nobodies

[QUOTE="harshv82"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Umm..Access, FASA, Big Huge Games, ACES,

razgriz_101

think Peter M done more damage to Lionhead than MS really did :P

[QUOTE="harshv82"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Umm..Access, FASA, Big Huge Games, ACES,

HaloinventedFPS

Bungie were never good until Halo, Marathon was meh

the other devs you listed are nobodies

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="harshv82"] Bungie, Digital Anvil, Lionhead .....AdrianWerner

think Peter M done more damage to Lionhead than MS really did :P

I was more getting at him running his mouth than anything :P has some great ideas, just he tries to make them out to be something they aint.

I'm still happy with FSX and that game is over five years old. We'll see how Flight shapes up. The only thing I might ask of MS is consider making a new Combat Flight Simulator. Other than that plus Direct X, Windows and Office, I'm fine.

I rather see my other games from 3rd parties. If MS starts controlling other genres, it'll have total control of lock, stock, and barrel. Then there'll be the whole monopoly lawsuit mess again.

If you want MS to bend you over, there's the 360. :lol:

[QUOTE="harshv82"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Umm..Access, FASA, Big Huge Games, ACES,

HaloinventedFPS

Bungie were never good until Halo, Marathon was meh

the other devs you listed are nobodies

Who cares about Microsoft games?

[QUOTE="harshv82"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Umm..Access, FASA, Big Huge Games, ACES,

HaloinventedFPS

Bungie were never good until Halo, Marathon was meh

the other devs you listed are nobodies

Nobodies ? Games like Rise of Nations and Freelancer aren't made by nobodies.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="harshv82"] Bungie, Digital Anvil, Lionhead .....harshv82

Bungie were never good until Halo, Marathon was meh

the other devs you listed are nobodies

Freelancer and Brute force sucked

Wing Commander sucks aswell, but to be fair is a cult classic