How much better is Crysis 2 on 360 than PS3?

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#51 PAL360
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Only played 360 version. Graphics are fantastic and performance is very stable. Doesnt change the fact it´s a disappointement overall.

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#52 Peredith
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[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Crysis 2. In the first one the aliens at least were like aliens, in 2 they're just like boring halo style super soldiers.

topgunmv

I found the latter half of Crysis 2 awesome fun. The aliens in Crysis 2 were much more fun to fight than the aliens from Crysis 1.

Infact, in Crysis 2, the aliens were alot more fun to fight than the soldiers, but in Crysis 1 the koreans were more fun to fight than the aliens. Odd. :P

Well I just ran into my first one of these things:

so maybe it'll get more interesting from here.

Yup it gets alot better from there. :)

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#53 themajormayor
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It's 100% equal. Bad game but they managed the multiplatform developing very well.

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#54 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

It's only $10 bucks new at Best Buy right now, so I was gonna go get it. Is it really that bad on PS3? I wanted to get it on PS3 over 360, but I heard that it was way better on 360. What are the differences exactly?

loosingENDS

Crysis 2 PS3

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/115/1156500p2.html

8.5 Graphics
Crysis 2 looks great on PS3, but a worse framerate, lower resolution, and missing effects compared to the 360 release hurt it. PS3 owners expect more.

Crysis 2 360

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1156446p2.html

9.5 Graphics
Crysis 2 on Xbox 360 has taken the crown for best graphics in a console game. It's well animated and the effects are great, but light is always the star of the show.

Xbox has a far superior GPU and design, thus the best games like Skyrim, RDR, Crysis 1-2, Dark Souls etc look much better than on PS3

So, it is much better looking on 360

Uhh you know IGN gave a 10 to ?U3 in graphics right

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#55 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

It's only $10 bucks new at Best Buy right now, so I was gonna go get it. Is it really that bad on PS3? I wanted to get it on PS3 over 360, but I heard that it was way better on 360. What are the differences exactly?

delta3074
360 version is a slightly higher resolution and holds a steadier framrate the majority of the time although the Ps3 framrate holds up better when things get realy hectic, thats about it really.

Funny you forgot about the screen tearing on the 360 version. Not to mention the superior AF on the PS3 version.
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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]they are the same on both, who told you it was bad on the PS3?arkephonic

When people talk about graphics king on consoles, they always mention the 360 version of Crysis 2 and make a point to exclude the PS3 version....

Because PS3 exclusives look far superior to PS3 version of Crysis 2. The thing is 360 version might have a SLIGHT edge if you counted pixels, which makes lemmings grasp straws when it comes to graphics king debate.

In reality if you saw the two versions running side by side you couldnt tell which is which, they are basically the same.

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A lot worse than on PC.

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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]they are the same on both, who told you it was bad on the PS3?BlbecekBobecek

When people talk about graphics king on consoles, they always mention the 360 version of Crysis 2 and make a point to exclude the PS3 version....

Because PS3 exclusives look far superior to PS3 version of Crysis 2. The thing is 360 version might have a SLIGHT edge if you counted pixels, which makes lemmings grasp straws when it comes to graphics king debate.

In reality if you saw the two versions running side by side you couldnt tell which is which, they are basically the same.

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

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#59 BlbecekBobecek
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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

When people talk about graphics king on consoles, they always mention the 360 version of Crysis 2 and make a point to exclude the PS3 version....

KarateeeChop

Because PS3 exclusives look far superior to PS3 version of Crysis 2. The thing is 360 version might have a SLIGHT edge if you counted pixels, which makes lemmings grasp straws when it comes to graphics king debate.

In reality if you saw the two versions running side by side you couldnt tell which is which, they are basically the same.

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

What? Where did I say anything like that? :o

All I'm saying is that (1) Crysis 2 is almost identical on both consoles although the 360 version has slight edge when you analyze it deep and (2) top PS3 exclusives like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3 are superior graphically.

Thats exactly what Digital Foundry and Lens of Truth says.

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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Because PS3 exclusives look far superior to PS3 version of Crysis 2. The thing is 360 version might have a SLIGHT edge if you counted pixels, which makes lemmings grasp straws when it comes to graphics king debate.

In reality if you saw the two versions running side by side you couldnt tell which is which, they are basically the same.

BlbecekBobecek

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

What? Where did I say anything like that? :o

All I'm saying is that (1) Crysis 2 is almost identical on both consoles although the 360 version has slight edge when you analyze it deep and (2) top PS3 exclusives like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3 are superior graphically.

Thats exactly what Digital Foundry and Lens of Truth says.

you said the difference is only noticeable if you count the pixels, which is obviously an attempt at comforting yourself because if it is really unoticeable, then digital foundry won't give the win to the 360.

the difference is big enough for ign to deduct a whole point of graphics for the ps3. but hey, we can keep telling ourselves that ign is just another 360 fanboy site as long as it helps you sleep at night ;)

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#61 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

When people talk about graphics king on consoles, they always mention the 360 version of Crysis 2 and make a point to exclude the PS3 version....

Because PS3 exclusives look far superior to PS3 version of Crysis 2. The thing is 360 version might have a SLIGHT edge if you counted pixels, which makes lemmings grasp straws when it comes to graphics king debate.

In reality if you saw the two versions running side by side you couldnt tell which is which, they are basically the same.

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

IGN: Uncharted 3 graphics=10. Crysis 2 360 graphics=9.5. How reliable to you are they now?
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#62 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

What? Where did I say anything like that? :o

All I'm saying is that (1) Crysis 2 is almost identical on both consoles although the 360 version has slight edge when you analyze it deep and (2) top PS3 exclusives like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3 are superior graphically.

Thats exactly what Digital Foundry and Lens of Truth says.

you said the difference is only noticeable if you count the pixels, which is obviously an attempt at comforting yourself because if it is really unoticeable, then digital foundry won't give the win to the 360.

the difference is big enough for ign to deduct a whole point of graphics for the ps3. but hey, we can keep telling ourselves that ign is just another 360 fanboy site as long as it helps you sleep at night ;)

Stop cherrypicking. And there isn't any difference between the versions in the first place. Lens of Truth gave it a tie. And even DF which are known for their ignorance said the difference was very VERY minor.
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Because PS3 exclusives look far superior to PS3 version of Crysis 2. The thing is 360 version might have a SLIGHT edge if you counted pixels, which makes lemmings grasp straws when it comes to graphics king debate.

In reality if you saw the two versions running side by side you couldnt tell which is which, they are basically the same.

themajormayor

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

IGN: Uncharted 3 graphics=10. Crysis 2 360 graphics=9.5. How reliable to you are they now?

as reliable as they ever were before their uncharted 3 review. were you trying to say something with the question? :shock:

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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

IGN: Uncharted 3 graphics=10. Crysis 2 360 graphics=9.5. How reliable to you are they now?

as reliable as they ever were before their uncharted 3 review. were you trying to say something with the question? :shock:

So you recognize Uncharted 3 as console graphics king(which is f****** stupid in the first place since it belongs to KZ3)?
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#65 KarateeeChop
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] IGN: Uncharted 3 graphics=10. Crysis 2 360 graphics=9.5. How reliable to you are they now?themajormayor

as reliable as they ever were before their uncharted 3 review. were you trying to say something with the question? :shock:

So you recognize Uncharted 3 as console graphics king(which is f****** stupid in the first place since it belongs to KZ3)?

of course. it's a great looking game. too bad the graphics is all it's got going for it. :(

anyway, why are you asking all these questions? does it still bother you that crysis 2 on consoles is noticeably better on the 360, charlesdarwin? or shall i say, cow4ever? :lol:

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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

so now ign and digital foundry are massive 360 fanboys?

i love the way cows try to comfort themselves. if anyone doesn't hold unconditional love for sony and the ps3, then they are 360 fanboys :lol:

KarateeeChop

What? Where did I say anything like that? :o

All I'm saying is that (1) Crysis 2 is almost identical on both consoles although the 360 version has slight edge when you analyze it deep and (2) top PS3 exclusives like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3 are superior graphically.

Thats exactly what Digital Foundry and Lens of Truth says.

you said the difference is only noticeable if you count the pixels, which is obviously an attempt at comforting yourself because if it is really unoticeable, then digital foundry won't give the win to the 360.

the difference is big enough for ign to deduct a whole point of graphics for the ps3. but hey, we can keep telling ourselves that ign is just another 360 fanboy site as long as it helps you sleep at night ;)

If this was another lame fanboy argument I would be happy to write here Crysis 2 on 360 is far superior than the PS3 version to make insecure fanboys like you more comfortable, but Im just trying to help the TC here.

He asked wheter there is a large enough difference between the two versions to stay away from the PS3 and I told him the correct answer is "no, there is only slight difference you probably wont even notice", because thats the fact as proven by all comparisons I have read (Digital Foundry, Lens of Truth). I also mentioned that both versions of the game has their flaws that keep it from being truly great visually, and thats a fact proven by Digital Foundry too. I really dont care what some random reviewer in IGN states.

TC, check out this link:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crysis2-face-off

its in-depth analysis of the two versions of the game.

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#69 BlbecekBobecek
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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

you said the difference is only noticeable if you count the pixels, which is obviously an attempt at comforting yourself because if it is really unoticeable, then digital foundry won't give the win to the 360.

the difference is big enough for ign to deduct a whole point of graphics for the ps3. but hey, we can keep telling ourselves that ign is just another 360 fanboy site as long as it helps you sleep at night ;)

sts106mat

If this was another lame fanboy argument I would be happy to write here Crysis 2 on 360 is far superior than the PS3 version to make insecure fanboys like you more comfortable, but Im just trying to help the TC here.

He asked wheter there is a large enough difference between the two versions to stay away from the PS3 and I told him the correct answer is "no, there is only slight difference you probably wont even notice", because thats the fact as proven by all comparisons I have read (Digital Foundry, Lens of Truth). I also mentioned that both versions of the game has their flaws that keep it from being truly great visually, and thats a fact proven by Digital Foundry too. I really dont care what some random reviewer in IGN states.

TC, check out this link:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crysis2-face-off

its in-depth analysis of the two versions of the game.

your standard response should always be, buy the version for the machine with the controller you prefer.

Not always. I would never recommend anyone to buy PS3 version of Skyrim for example. Its just a matter of fact that in Crysis 2 case it doesnt really matter because both versions are nearly identical...

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

as reliable as they ever were before their uncharted 3 review. were you trying to say something with the question? :shock:

KarateeeChop

So you recognize Uncharted 3 as console graphics king(which is f****** stupid in the first place since it belongs to KZ3)?

of course. it's a great looking game. too bad the graphics is all it's got going for it. :(

anyway, why are you asking all these questions? does it still bother you that crysis 2 on consoles is noticeably better on the 360, charlesdarwin? or shall i say, cow4ever? :lol:

Well then I guess there is nothing more to say since I would think you'd recognize some 360 game as console graphics king. But I thought wrong and you showed you are consistent in your views. So respect for that. And I agree graphics is the only thing Uncharted 3 has going for it. No it doesn't bother me for two reasons. It's not the best looking console game, neither of us recognize it as such. And also I've seen it on both PS3 & 360 and there's no noticeable difference. And for the rest of your comment :? like I would be the only cow around these parts...
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] So you recognize Uncharted 3 as console graphics king(which is f****** stupid in the first place since it belongs to KZ3)? themajormayor

of course. it's a great looking game. too bad the graphics is all it's got going for it. :(

anyway, why are you asking all these questions? does it still bother you that crysis 2 on consoles is noticeably better on the 360, charlesdarwin? or shall i say, cow4ever? :lol:

Well then I guess there is nothing more to say since I would think you'd recognize some 360 game as console graphics king. But I thought wrong and you showed you are consistent in your views. So respect for that. And I agree graphics is the only thing Uncharted 3 has going for it. No it doesn't bother me for two reasons. It's not the best looking console game, neither of us recognize it as such. And also I've seen it on both PS3 & 360 and there's no noticeable difference. And for the rest of your comment :? like I would be the only cow around these parts...

not the only cow, but sometimes your posts look like carbon copies from your charlesdarwin account, SquirrelTamer. ;)

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

of course. it's a great looking game. too bad the graphics is all it's got going for it. :(

anyway, why are you asking all these questions? does it still bother you that crysis 2 on consoles is noticeably better on the 360, charlesdarwin? or shall i say, cow4ever? :lol:

KarateeeChop

Well then I guess there is nothing more to say since I would think you'd recognize some 360 game as console graphics king. But I thought wrong and you showed you are consistent in your views. So respect for that. And I agree graphics is the only thing Uncharted 3 has going for it. No it doesn't bother me for two reasons. It's not the best looking console game, neither of us recognize it as such. And also I've seen it on both PS3 & 360 and there's no noticeable difference. And for the rest of your comment :? like I would be the only cow around these parts...

not the only cow, but sometimes your posts look like carbon copies from your charlesdarwin account, SquirrelTamer. ;)

Ok? I don't know who the f*** any of those are but if his name really is cow4ever I doubt he'd post he thinks Uncharted 3 sucks. Whatever dude it's easy to accuse people when you're butthurt.
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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]they are the same on both, who told you it was bad on the PS3?arkephonic

When people talk about graphics king on consoles, they always mention the 360 version of Crysis 2 and make a point to exclude the PS3 version....

They are absolutely wrong. IF you were to buy it just do it on the 360.
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well then I guess there is nothing more to say since I would think you'd recognize some 360 game as console graphics king. But I thought wrong and you showed you are consistent in your views. So respect for that. And I agree graphics is the only thing Uncharted 3 has going for it. No it doesn't bother me for two reasons. It's not the best looking console game, neither of us recognize it as such. And also I've seen it on both PS3 & 360 and there's no noticeable difference. And for the rest of your comment :? like I would be the only cow around these parts...themajormayor

not the only cow, but sometimes your posts look like carbon copies from your charlesdarwin account, SquirrelTamer. ;)

Ok? I don't know who the f*** any of those are but if his name really is cow4ever I doubt he'd post he thinks Uncharted 3 sucks. Whatever dude it's easy to accuse people when you're butthurt.

got nothing to say? just throw "u r teh butthurt" at them! that was typical charlesdarwin too. :lol:

oh btw, i'm far from the only one who recognizes your past accounts. you make it too obvious. ;)

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I never played it on PS3, but the 360 version didn't impress me at all. The game has nice textures but you have to be still to actually enjoy them. Only Rage on PS3 has a worse texture streaming problem than Crysis 2 on 360, in my experience. The frame rate and screen tearing is also way more prevalent than i consider acceptable. All that and the game was very mediocre too. The game was easily the worse launch day purchase I ever made.
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#76 ShadowMoses900
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It's the same, really. Like all multiplats the differences are so minimal that it's basically invisible,anyone who is telling you otherwise is a hardcore fanboy who doesn't want to admit it. Just get Crisis for the system that has the controller you prefer or if you like achievements or trophies more, that's all there really is to it.

All these multiplat fights between the two systems are complete jokes.....

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

not the only cow, but sometimes your posts look like carbon copies from your charlesdarwin account, SquirrelTamer. ;)

KarateeeChop

Ok? I don't know who the f*** any of those are but if his name really is cow4ever I doubt he'd post he thinks Uncharted 3 sucks. Whatever dude it's easy to accuse people when you're butthurt.

got nothing to say? just throw "u r teh butthurt" at them! that was typical charlesdarwin too. :lol:

oh btw, i'm far from the only one who recognizes your past accounts. you make it too obvious. ;)

^^ 100Gamer
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#78 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

not the only cow, but sometimes your posts look like carbon copies from your charlesdarwin account, SquirrelTamer. ;)

Ok? I don't know who the f*** any of those are but if his name really is cow4ever I doubt he'd post he thinks Uncharted 3 sucks. Whatever dude it's easy to accuse people when you're butthurt.

got nothing to say? just throw "u r teh butthurt" at them! that was typical charlesdarwin too. :lol:

oh btw, i'm far from the only one who recognizes your past accounts. you make it too obvious. ;)

Got nothing to say? What do you mean by that? You didn't propse any kind of argument whatsover for me to respond to. But whatever mr butthurt. I'm no alt account. What a lame excuse to cover up your butthurtness.
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I've played both, beaten both, and compared both side by side. The 360 version is ever so slightly sharper. It's obviously not a big deal to me, as I own it on the PS3 currently.
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#80 el3m2tigre
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They look the same to any sane person, or simply not enough details to determine which is actually better.

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#81 lamprey263
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I only heard the PS3 port suffers some framerate dips at certain parts of the game.
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I find it rather amusing seeing console fanboys (mainly Karatechop) arguing over which turd smells the best:lol:

PS3 Xbox360:

Both subHD

Screen tearing

30fps and below

Weak temporal Antialiasing method still doesn't eliminate jaggies

Poor A.I.

PC:

Full HD 1080P

60fps

8xAA 16xAF

Directx11 update features

High resolution texture mods

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#83 T-razor1
Member since 2002 • 1164 Posts

not the only cow, but sometimes your posts look like carbon copies from your charlesdarwin account, SquirrelTamer. ;)

KarateeeChop

Oh snap!! :)

Ok? I don't know who the f*** any of those are but if his name really is cow4ever I doubt he'd post he thinks Uncharted 3 sucks. Whatever dude it's easy to accuse people when you're butthurt. themajormayor

Bro what is he butthurt about? He already acknowledged what IGN said about Uncharted 3 being the best looking console game which I don't agree with but hey it's their opinion. They are not gods. They have opinions just as the next person or website. It's funny I remember when IGN was getting attacked by cows when they said the 360 version of Crysis 2 is the best looking console game. Now all of a sudden IGN is the best site on the net LOL.I still think Crysis 2 is more impressive visually by the way. But that's me. And yes the 360 version of Crysis 2 looks and performs better than the ps3 version.

By the way what other sites are saying UC3 is the best? I'm not doubting that there are sites that said that but everytime I come into graphics threads involving UC3 all I hear from cows is, "Everyone knows it" LOL. By the way I'm not hatin' on UC3. I love the franchise. It's the best exclusive if you ask me although I enjoyed UC2 more.

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#84 themajormayor
Member since 2011 • 25729 Posts

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

not the only cow, but sometimes your posts look like carbon copies from your charlesdarwin account, SquirrelTamer. ;)

T-razor1

Oh snap!! :)

Ok? I don't know who the f*** any of those are but if his name really is cow4ever I doubt he'd post he thinks Uncharted 3 sucks. Whatever dude it's easy to accuse people when you're butthurt. themajormayor

Bro what is he butthurt about? He already acknowledged what IGN said about Uncharted 3 being the best looking console game which I don't agree with but hey it's their opinion. They are not gods. They have opinions just as the next person or website. It's funny I remember when IGN was getting attacked by cows when they said the 360 version of Crysis 2 is the best looking console game. Now all of a sudden IGN is the best site on the net LOL.I still think Crysis 2 is more impressive visually by the way. But that's me. And yes the 360 version of Crysis 2 looks and performs better than the ps3 version.

By the way what other sites are saying UC3 is the best? I'm not doubting that there are sites that said that but everytime I come into graphics threads involving UC3 all I hear from cows is, "Everyone knows it" LOL. By the way I'm not hatin' on UC3. I love the franchise. It's the best exclusive if you ask me although I enjoyed UC2 more.

Did you follow this discussion at all? I don't think Uncharted 3 is the best looking console game in any way! I agree with what you say exactly, that IGN's opinion aren't better than yours or mine. And IMO they are wrong now and when they said Crysis 2 was the best looking console game. It's just their opinion. And no they perform and looks equally. Differences are minor, both versions has pros and cons.

I don't really care since a site's opinion, as we talked about,is as much worth as anyone guys opinion. But in any case I read several sites saying that said it. I can't remember all but DF did imply it pretty much. I didn't like U3 at all. U2 was much better. Even graphically IMO.