How much can nostalgia affect our view of a game?

Nintendo's major franchises have been around longer than one generation. All of them have had their ups and down yet people will still by them. Why? Nostalgia? I think so. We remember those good games back when, we want to experience that feeling again. And I think Nintendo does this better than anyone. But my question is, is that good?

Sony has managed to create new IPs with success. Although Sony fans want the old games they used to play, they don't exactly get their wish. Microsoft sort of did the same thing Nintendo did with Halo.

Is nostalgia a tool to exploit or is it just a cheap cop out?

What say you, System Wars?

it really depends.

Mario galaxy is a incredibly good game for example in its own merits.I dont see anything wrong with keeping established IP's going for aslong as they have as long as its all good and not a cop out.

Nostalgia is a very interesting phenomenon.

You see it in all forms of media. "TV was great back in the 80's, now it sucks."

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Nostalgia paints all games "back in the day" as being absolutely wonderful, immaculate gems.

Objectively, I'd say there are times where nostalgia is justified, and other times where it's absolutely uncalled for.

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Generally, late 2D, SNES era games are just as fantastic now as when they come out.

Sonic 2, DKC, those kinds of games.

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But in my opinion,

Early 2D games (NES era) and early 3D games (N64 era) are overrated when looking retrospectively.

it really depends.

Mario galaxy is a incredibly good game for example in its own merits.I dont see anything wrong with keeping established IP's going for aslong as they have as long as its all good and not a cop out.

razgriz_101

"Duke"

"Zelda:OoT"

"FF7 Remake"

They can alter our view drastically, but its not always bad.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

it really depends.

Mario galaxy is a incredibly good game for example in its own merits.I dont see anything wrong with keeping established IP's going for aslong as they have as long as its all good and not a cop out.

mrmusicman247

Most reviewers bought into it but many consumers did not. Even though I see OoT3D as a cash cow, I'll still probably buy it when I get a 3DS.

Nostalgia is a very interesting phenomenon.

You see it in all forms of media. "TV was great back in the 80's, now it sucks."

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Nostalgia paints all games "back in the day" as being absolutely wonderful, immaculate gems.

Objectively, I'd say there are times where nostalgia is justified, and other times where it's absolutely uncalled for.

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Generally, late 2D, SNES era games are just as fantastic now as when they come out.

Sonic 2, DKC, those kinds of games.

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But in my opinion,

Early 2D games (NES era) and early 3D games (N64 era) are overrated when looking retrospectively.

peterw007

Nostalgia doesn't affect my view on new games at all.

I feel mighty nostalgic of wen i was in grade school so many years ago, reminiscent about simpler times.. wen i wasn't a grown ass man with so many responsabilities.

But i was never a gamer back then, only started like a few years ago. I don't feel nostalgic about any game. I get the ones that do though.

Nostalgia doesn't affect my view on new games at all.

theuncharted34

I can still play some games from the 8 Bit era but some games I can't play anymore from the NES those are (Legend of Zelda and Zelda II and many other games)

I can still play Legend of Zelda and Zelda II but I could never beat the game now.

It affects our views greatly, which is why despite being a horrible game some people enjoyed Duke Nukem forever, and people bought it in droves. It's the reason all these remasters sell well, it's the reason nintendo can keep milking the same franchises for 20+ years and no one say anything about it. Nostalgia is a powerful tool that can sway people into buying and tricking themselves into enjoying, bad or average games.

It affects our views greatly, which is why despite being a horrible game some people enjoyed Duke Nukem forever, and people bought it in droves. It's the reason all these remasters sell well, it's the reason nintendo can keep milking the same franchises for 20+ years and no one say anything about it. Nostalgia is a powerful tool that can sway people into buying and tricking themselves into enjoying, bad or average games.

GD1551

Or because it was hyped to hell and back, just like Homefront. Both games received 2+ million sales and completely died shortly after. Remasters are actually worth buying. It also provides a way for people who never played them before, to play them now. Milking the same franchises = offering a new experience with almost every release to keep the series fresh? :| Nostalgia may be powerful, but being blind, stubborn, and uninformed is worse.

Nintendo's major franchises have been around longer than one generation. All of them have had their ups and down yet people will still by them. Why? Nostalgia? I think so. We remember those good games back when, we want to experience that feeling again. And I think Nintendo does this better than anyone. But my question is, is that good?

Sony has managed to create new IPs with success. Although Sony fans want the old games they used to play, they don't exactly get their wish. Microsoft sort of did the same thing Nintendo did with Halo.

Is nostalgia a tool to exploit or is it just a cheap cop out?

What say you, System Wars?

mrmusicman247

God I'm getting sick of this "Nintendo's games are only good because of nostalgia" crap. Is that why Mario Galaxy won GOTY and its sequel got a 10/10? No, I think that had to do with the fact they were stupendous games that pushed platformers forwards in terms of design, unlike the vast majority of "new IP" this gen that just recycled basically what already worked, or combined two or three working ideas into one.foxhound_fox

he's talking about the name it self.....

he's talking about the name it self....eboyishere

the TC's example of nintendo is probably the worst example he could give. nintendo's franchises have actually progressed through the years. people like me who grew up on those franchises can enjoy them as well as newcomers. there's nothing nostalgic about wind waker or super mario galaxy, the games are masterpieces in their own right.

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Nintendo's major franchises have been around longer than one generation. All of them have had their ups and down yet people will still by them. Why? Nostalgia? I think so. We remember those good games back when, we want to experience that feeling again. And I think Nintendo does this better than anyone. But my question is, is that good?

Sony has managed to create new IPs with success. Although Sony fans want the old games they used to play, they don't exactly get their wish. Microsoft sort of did the same thing Nintendo did with Halo.

Is nostalgia a tool to exploit or is it just a cheap cop out?

What say you, System Wars?

starwarsgeek112

It's because they are the best out of the 5 platformers released this gen.

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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

Nintendo's major franchises have been around longer than one generation. All of them have had their ups and down yet people will still by them. Why? Nostalgia? I think so. We remember those good games back when, we want to experience that feeling again. And I think Nintendo does this better than anyone. But my question is, is that good?

Sony has managed to create new IPs with success. Although Sony fans want the old games they used to play, they don't exactly get their wish. Microsoft sort of did the same thing Nintendo did with Halo.

Is nostalgia a tool to exploit or is it just a cheap cop out?

What say you, System Wars?

GD1551

It's because they are the best out of the 5 platformers released this gen.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

it really depends.

Mario galaxy is a incredibly good game for example in its own merits.I dont see anything wrong with keeping established IP's going for aslong as they have as long as its all good and not a cop out.

mrmusicman247

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[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]

Nintendo doesn't really rely on nostalgia, they rely on established IPs that are very marketable due to their hug success. If nostalgia plays in to why some people continue to buy their games, then so be it, but their games are still amazing... Mario Galaxy 1 AND 2 aren't just considered to be some of the greatest games ever made because they have Mario in them....

Besides Nintendo continues to create new IPs just not as much as some people would like.

starwarsgeek112

It's because they are the best out of the 5 platformers released this gen.

Grats it got a high score vs all the other 5 platformers. gg

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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

It's because they are the best out of the 5 platformers released this gen.

GD1551

Grats it got a high score vs every other game ever made. gg

I disagree. It seems to me that a new entry in one of Nintendo's 20 year old franchises has more creativity and originality than the vast majority of "new" IPs this gen. I'd rather have a new experience with a character I've known for a long time than a game I've played many times before with a character I never knew before.

I disagree. It seems to me that a new entry in one of Nintendo's 20 year old franchises has more creativity and originality than the vast majority of "new" IPs this gen. I'd rather have a new experience with a character I've known for a long time than a game I've played many times before with a character I never knew before.

Pikminmaniac

Just make new characters alongside the veterans and I'll be happy. I want another Ike. ANOTHER IKE!

Me too.

Just make new characters alongside the veterans and I'll be happy. I want another Ike. ANOTHER IKE!

TrapJak

What hasn't Nintendo made, and where haven't they gone? Kinda hard thinking of a new IP that still maintains Nintendo's style. The only thing they don't have is...a modern military shooter and M-rated titles :P

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Me too.

Just make new characters alongside the veterans and I'll be happy. I want another Ike. ANOTHER IKE!

ChubbyGuy40

What hasn't Nintendo made, and where haven't they gone? Kinda hard thinking of a new IP that still maintains Nintendo's style. The only thing they don't have is...a modern military shooter and M-rated titles :P

Well, they did publish Eternal Darkness and own the rights to the insanity gauge from that game. They also published Geist which was an M rated shooter

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starwarsgeek112

Games are rated by their competition :)

Games are rated by their competition :)

GD1551

No they aren't. A genre could have only one game, but if the game sucks, it doesn't get a free score since it's the only game in the genre.

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Games are rated by their competition :)

ChubbyGuy40

No they aren't. A genre could have only one game, but if the game sucks, it doesn't get a free score since it's the only game in the genre.

Umm yes they are and so are most other things in life.

I disagree. It seems to me that a new entry in one of Nintendo's 20 year old franchises has more creativity and originality than the vast majority of "new" IPs this gen. I'd rather have a new experience with a character I've known for a long time than a game I've played many times before with a character I never knew before.

Pikminmaniac

You say that like its a bad things. Taking an idea and making it better is a great implementation on games.mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

it really depends.

Mario galaxy is a incredibly good game for example in its own merits.I dont see anything wrong with keeping established IP's going for aslong as they have as long as its all good and not a cop out.

mrmusicman247

OOT 3D has a 93% on GameRankings. :?

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

it really depends.

Mario galaxy is a incredibly good game for example in its own merits.I dont see anything wrong with keeping established IP's going for aslong as they have as long as its all good and not a cop out.

GreySeal9

OOT 3D has a 93% on GameRankings. :?

And a 94% on Metacritic.

God I'm getting sick of this "Nintendo's games are only good because of nostalgia" crap. Is that why Mario Galaxy won GOTY and its sequel got a 10/10? No, I think that had to do with the fact they were stupendous games that pushed platformers forwards in terms of design, unlike the vast majority of "new IP" this gen that just recycled basically what already worked, or combined two or three working ideas into one.foxhound_fox

This.

The intellectually bankrupt "Ninty games get good reviews because of nostalgia!" argument is just a way of trying to explain what they don't understand.

These people aren't impressed with Nintendo or it's not to their tastes, so they try to make excuses as to why reviewers are still impressed with their products instead of just accepting that many people still think some of their games are the cream of the crop.

Also, just because something is a new IP doesn't in any way make it progressive. SMG2 is more progressive for its genre than the majority of new IPs.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

it really depends.

Mario galaxy is a incredibly good game for example in its own merits.I dont see anything wrong with keeping established IP's going for aslong as they have as long as its all good and not a cop out.

Androvinus

Besides SMG2, I still think it's better than the so-called masterpieces this gen.

It can affect it alot one simply has to look at the opinion people have of older games compared to newer gamers.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]God I'm getting sick of this "Nintendo's games are only good because of nostalgia" crap. Is that why Mario Galaxy won GOTY and its sequel got a 10/10? No, I think that had to do with the fact they were stupendous games that pushed platformers forwards in terms of design, unlike the vast majority of "new IP" this gen that just recycled basically what already worked, or combined two or three working ideas into one.GreySeal9

This.

The intellectually bankrupt "Ninty games get good reviews because of nostalgia!" argument is just a way of trying to explain what they don't understand.

These people aren't impressed with Nintendo or it's not to their tastes, so they try to make excuses as to why reviewers are still impressed with their products instead of just accepting that many people still think some of their games are the cream of the crop.

Also, just because something is a new IP doesn't in any way make it progressive. SMG2 is more progressive for its genre than the majority of new IPs.

Lol as if anyone takes cues from nintendo even in the platforming genre.

A lot. There are so many games that in my memory were so awesome and still are but when I play again, I get slapped in the face. The list of old games I admire get smaller the more I replay.

Lol as if anyone takes cues from nintendo even in the platforming genre.GD1551

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]God I'm getting sick of this "Nintendo's games are only good because of nostalgia" crap. Is that why Mario Galaxy won GOTY and its sequel got a 10/10? No, I think that had to do with the fact they were stupendous games that pushed platformers forwards in terms of design, unlike the vast majority of "new IP" this gen that just recycled basically what already worked, or combined two or three working ideas into one.GD1551

This.

The intellectually bankrupt "Ninty games get good reviews because of nostalgia!" argument is just a way of trying to explain what they don't understand.

These people aren't impressed with Nintendo or it's not to their tastes, so they try to make excuses as to why reviewers are still impressed with their products instead of just accepting that many people still think some of their games are the cream of the crop.

Also, just because something is a new IP doesn't in any way make it progressive. SMG2 is more progressive for its genre than the majority of new IPs.

Lol as if anyone takes cues from nintendo even in the platforming genre.

Since when does anyone have to take cues from a game for it to be progressive? Progressive simply means that it tries to take the platforming genre to new heights or new places design-wise whereas a game like Ratchet and Clank is content with typical design elements.

There's a difference between progressiveness and being influential. SMG might not be as influential as older Mario platformers, but that doesn't mean it's not progressive.

Also, Sonic Colors took some cues from SMG.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]Lol as if anyone takes cues from nintendo even in the platforming genre.foxhound_fox

That's cool and all but no one really takes things from nintendo. Obviously the core gameplay from 26 years ago is another thing, but their innovations from the present within the genre (what's left of it anyway) aren't used at all. Hell I'm surprised MM beat nintendo to a side scrolling 3d platformer. Unless of course one of their handheld games did that, but I don't even know.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="GD1551"]Lol as if anyone takes cues from nintendo even in the platforming genre.GD1551

That's cool and all but no one really takes things from nintendo. Obviously the core gameplay from 26 years ago is another thing, but their innovations from the present within the genre (what's left of it anyway) aren't used at all. Hell I'm surprised MM beat nintendo to a side scrolling 3d platformer. Unless of course one of their handheld games did that, but I don't even know.

So what?

Progessiveness/=/influence.

They can go hand in hand sometimes, but they are not the same thing.