How much do you think the RROD has hurt MS this gen?

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#1 TOAO_Cyrus1
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All the negative news coverage must have really hurt them amongst casuals. Its probably cost them a couple million in sales at this point and its immage is forever tarnished.
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#2 deadmeat59
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it hurt them alot
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I'm still getting one, the new models will be more reliable than earlier builds anyway. I have no worries :D

Who'd want to deliberately go without the best games library this gen? Thats just dumb.

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The RROD isnt gonna do anything to MS image,people are still going out and buying 360s and when the next xbox system comes out everyone is gonna go crazy about and wont think twice about what happened with the RROD and the 360.
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#5 shiram
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i dont think its image is forever tarnished, mostly cause they are fixing the problems with new hardware, and the warranty
but im sure it did hurt, but maybe not as much as we think
it would probably on top right now for total console sales, if not for the RRoD

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#6 ss_49
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It's pretty bad, but honestly...if I didn't surf gaming forums all day...I'd have no idea there was a problem.

I'm pretty sure that John Q. Public has no clue.

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#7 deadmeat59
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I'm still getting one, the new models will be more reliable than earlier builds anyway. I have no worries :D

Who'd want to deliberately go without the best games library this gen? Thats just dumb.

tomarlyn
sorry but thats not going to happen all 360s will get rrod . they did a tear down on youtube of a new 360 its almost the same to a launch 360. i keep hearing about new parts. but until ms says they put them in all systems i wont beleave it .
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Yeah well lets get real,we all know when the new xbox console comes out no one isnt going to be thinking about RROD.
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#9 TOAO_Cyrus1
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Im not talking about MS immage as a whole but the 360. It will always be known as the console that breaks and that will cost them millions in sales IMO. One thing they have done this gen was grow the brand and the next version will be even more successful.
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#10 Paddy345
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Im not talking about MS immage as a whole but the 360. It will always be known as the console that breaks and that will cost them millions in sales IMO. One thing they have done this gen was grow the brand and the next version will be even more successful.TOAO_Cyrus1

No they haven't, 360 has sold less than xbox 1, also by mainstream media here in europe hurt it pretty bad with the rrod, most people would be more attracted to wii and ps3 because of this, xbox 1 has a better name than 360

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#11 ff7isnumbaone
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a lot. It makes smart and safe buyers afraid to get it.

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#12 kevbo77
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

I'm still getting one, the new models will be more reliable than earlier builds anyway. I have no worries :D

Who'd want to deliberately go without the best games library this gen? Thats just dumb.

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sorry but thats not going to happen all 360s will get rrod . they did a tear down on youtube of a new 360 its almost the same to a launch 360. i keep hearing about new parts. but until ms says they put them in all systems i wont beleave it .

Oh really? All 360's will get RROD? I beg to differ. I've played my 360 more than I've ever played another console, and I've never had a problem. I had more problems with the original NES than I've had with the 360. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe others are just extremely unlucky.

I think the RROD will be about as big a problem for the 360 as the BSOD is for windows. An annoyance more than anything, but not likely to dramatically affect sales. The TC said he thinks it has affected sales in the millions. I highly doubt that. For every person who's had an RROD on this site, I've never heard anyone say that they were going to switch to another console. They just grin and bare it, and wait for their fixed console to arrive. Clearly, something is compelling owners to stick with the 360.....oh yeah, Games.

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#13 shiram
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every 360 getting rrod is a misconception
its easily understandable that we hear alot more about people getting the problem than about people not getting the problem
threads relating to well working 360 are always shot down anyways
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#14 Yodas_Boy
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It's cost them billions of dollars. It's also going to hurt them next gen, since their reputation is so tarnished now. I'll be scerd to buy an Xbox 720 after all the bad press the 360's got over the RROD.
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#15 effthat
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The quick and dirty is that there is no such thing as bad publicity. The sales isn't where they are going to be hit the hardest though. The huge extension on the warranty and the service costs are going to be astronomical for any manufacturer. The extension of the warranty is a huge deal. The standard warranty lasts less than a year on most manufactured products. This is more or less because any defect caused by the manufacturing process will show itself in less than a year. Afterwards, it is all wear and tear. MS having a three year warranty is an acknowledgement thhat they are putting out a very unstable machine.

The cost of shipping, handling, processing, refurbishing, tracking, and the extra employees and the HR cost of employing them is going to compound very quickly and is going to do a nice little dance on their bottom line.

I realize that the games on the 360 are expetional right now, but I can't support a company that puts out poorly designed hardware. I'll play one of my brothers 360's all night. I'll even enjoy it, but I won't have to pay for it. Thankfully my brother is a bit of a tinker and fixes them, so he's got no problems.

Long and short is that the RROD is gonna hurt MS a lot relative to the 360. It's such a huge company though that they can absorb the loss easily and come out squeaky clean on the other side.

An interesting note on the subject is the advent of safety seals on OTC drugs came from a painkiller scare (Advil or Tylenol, I forget which). There was some bottles in a very contained area that were laced with poison. The company did a complete recall for the entire country and revamped their packaging. It's seen as the greatest marketing turnaround in business history today. I see microsoft has taken steps, but I feel they haven't addressed the root cause. The warranty is a band-aid. To me, that's unacceptable.

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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Im not talking about MS immage as a whole but the 360. It will always be known as the console that breaks and that will cost them millions in sales IMO. One thing they have done this gen was grow the brand and the next version will be even more successful.Paddy345

No they haven't, 360 has sold less than xbox 1, also by mainstream media here in europe hurt it pretty bad with the rrod, most people would be more attracted to wii and ps3 because of this, xbox 1 has a better name than 360

Its got 15 million sales in 2 years. You expect it to only sell another 10 in three? The bulk of sales happen in the middle years when the console costs 200$ or less. The Xbox really died off after the first coule of years because everyone just got a PS2. Thats probably not going to happen this time because the Wii is so different.

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#17 Yodas_Boy
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Oh really? All 360's will get RROD? I beg to differ. I've played my 360 more than I've ever played another console, and I've never had a problem. I had more problems with the original NES than I've had with the 360. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe others are just extremely unlucky.

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#18 TimeToPartyHard
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I don't think the RROD hurt them enough. Consumers should have been smart enough not to buy a single 360 until it was fixed. Instead people kept buying 360s and M$ simply said they knew about the problem, what caused it, and they had no plans to fix it. Even the falcon is not a direct fix for the problem. I own a 360 now that the falcon processors are in, but I think their sales should have been 0 until they were in every system. And even more ridiculous, M$ doesn't let you know how to find which 360s have the processors, people had to find out on their own and post their findings on message boards.
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Microsoft is famous for making things that break. Have you ever used windows???
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#20 TOAO_Cyrus1
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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

I'm still getting one, the new models will be more reliable than earlier builds anyway. I have no worries :D

Who'd want to deliberately go without the best games library this gen? Thats just dumb.

kevbo77

sorry but thats not going to happen all 360s will get rrod . they did a tear down on youtube of a new 360 its almost the same to a launch 360. i keep hearing about new parts. but until ms says they put them in all systems i wont beleave it .

Oh really? All 360's will get RROD? I beg to differ. I've played my 360 more than I've ever played another console, and I've never had a problem. I had more problems with the original NES than I've had with the 360. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe others are just extremely unlucky.

I think the RROD will be about as big a problem for the 360 as the BSOD is for windows. An annoyance more than anything, but not likely to dramatically affect sales. The TC said he thinks it has affected sales in the millions. I highly doubt that. For every person who's had an RROD on this site, I've never heard anyone say that they were going to switch to another console. They just grin and bare it, and wait for their fixed console to arrive. Clearly, something is compelling owners to stick with the 360.....oh yeah, Games.

I am talking about potential buyers here not current owners. Reliability is a big concern for many consumers. Sure gamers are going to get it anyway but for casuals its a big turnoff.

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All the negative news coverage must have really hurt them amongst casuals. Its probably cost them a couple million in sales at this point and its immage is forever tarnished.TOAO_Cyrus1

it didn't hurt the ps2 that badly... it's fixed now. they lost a lot of money but they're in the green now. so it's over.

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#22 kevbo77
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Oh really? All 360's will get RROD? I beg to differ. I've played my 360 more than I've ever played another console, and I've never had a problem. I had more problems with the original NES than I've had with the 360. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe others are just extremely unlucky.

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My eyes are open, what exactly am I looking for?

[QUOTE="kevbo77"][QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

I'm still getting one, the new models will be more reliable than earlier builds anyway. I have no worries :D

Who'd want to deliberately go without the best games library this gen? Thats just dumb.

TOAO_Cyrus1

sorry but thats not going to happen all 360s will get rrod . they did a tear down on youtube of a new 360 its almost the same to a launch 360. i keep hearing about new parts. but until ms says they put them in all systems i wont beleave it .

Oh really? All 360's will get RROD? I beg to differ. I've played my 360 more than I've ever played another console, and I've never had a problem. I had more problems with the original NES than I've had with the 360. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe others are just extremely unlucky.

I think the RROD will be about as big a problem for the 360 as the BSOD is for windows. An annoyance more than anything, but not likely to dramatically affect sales. The TC said he thinks it has affected sales in the millions. I highly doubt that. For every person who's had an RROD on this site, I've never heard anyone say that they were going to switch to another console. They just grin and bare it, and wait for their fixed console to arrive. Clearly, something is compelling owners to stick with the 360.....oh yeah, Games.

I am talking about potential buyers here not current owners. Reliability is a big concern for many consumers. Sure gamers are going to get it anyway but for casuals its a big turnoff.

I was just commenting on another topic that the casual market, with the exception of the Wii, is just barely being tapped, so there's still a huge market out there waiting to "jump in," so to speak. And let's be honest, casuals don't go on forums and argue about these things. They see commercials for Halo 3, and GTA IV and say to themselves, "hmm, that looks fun." They don't scower game forums deciding which hardware is more reliable. Ask any true causal what the RROD is, and they'll look at you and say, "RRO what."

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I was just commenting on another topic that the casual market, with the exception of the Wii, is just barely being tapped, so there's still a huge market out there waiting to "jump in," so to speak. And let's be honest, casuals don't go on forums and argue about these things. They see commercials for Halo 3, and GTA IV and say to themselves, "hmm, that looks fun." They don't scower game forums deciding which hardware is more reliable. Ask any true causal what the RROD is, and they'll look at you and say, "RRO what."

kevbo77

I agree I belive that the casual market has not been fully tapped yet. But I also think that the Wii is going to keep getting a larger and larger piece of it. Why you ask...Well one is the WiiFit I know not much of a game unless your a DDR fan like me. But the Casuals are going to eat it up. Second Mario Kart and Animal Crossing well a number of so called hard core fans don't like these two games very much. It hard not to look at the sales numbers in the EU and Japan these games are going to get even more fans. Then there are games like Brainage and Nintendogs that have sold close or over 5 million copys.

And yes your right it not the boards the casual look at it the news. And there has been a lot of bad news on TV has of late about the RROD. There was a thing on the other day on MSNBC news.

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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]All the negative news coverage must have really hurt them amongst casuals. Its probably cost them a couple million in sales at this point and its immage is forever tarnished.jlh47

it didn't hurt the ps2 that badly... it's fixed now. they lost a lot of money but they're in the green now. so it's over.

The PS2 news was for only about 6 months to a year. So far there has been bad news for two months. What MS needs to do is if the Falcom chip works. They need to so a press event to get the word out. Unless they are waiting to see what happens.

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Microsoft is famous for making things that break. Have you ever used windows???mattyftm

Touche!

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[QUOTE="kevbo77"]

I was just commenting on another topic that the casual market, with the exception of the Wii, is just barely being tapped, so there's still a huge market out there waiting to "jump in," so to speak. And let's be honest, casuals don't go on forums and argue about these things. They see commercials for Halo 3, and GTA IV and say to themselves, "hmm, that looks fun." They don't scower game forums deciding which hardware is more reliable. Ask any true causal what the RROD is, and they'll look at you and say, "RRO what."

HarlockJC

I agree I belive that the casual market has not been fully tapped yet. But I also think that the Wii is going to keep getting a larger and larger piece of it. Why you ask...Well one is the WiiFit I know not much of a game unless your a DDR fan like me. But the Casuals are going to eat it up. Second Mario Kart and Animal Crossing well a number of so called hard core fans don't like these two games very much. It hard not to look at the sales numbers in the EU and Japan these games are going to get even more fans. Then there are games like Brainage and Nintendogs that have sold close or over 5 million copys.

And yes your right it not the boards the casual look at it the news. And there has been a lot of bad news on TV has of late about the RROD. There was a thing on the other day on MSNBC news.

I agree with most of what you're saying. There have been more rumblings on the news outlets about the RROD, but let's be honest, on a well rated MSNBC show like Keith Olberman, MSNBC will get 1 million viewers. How many of those viewers are in the video game market, how many have just gotten up to go to the bathroom, check the fridge, etc? The point I'm trying to make is the the RROD issue is magnified on the forums, and that most casual gamers don't even know of it's existence.

I think it's unconscionable that the 360 shipped with known defects, but I think that the problem has largely been remedied. I think the proper steps have been taken, and I'm glad that I've never had a problem with mine, and I play it a lot.

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I honestly don't think its hurt them that much. It should have, but it hasn't. There are people who are on their 3+ 360. If my iPod broke 3+ times I'd just call it a loss and go for a Zune or something. But people keep coming back despite the mistakes. The #1 telling sign is that the system is still selling well despite all of the hoopla. I think this would kill anyone else but beacuse its Microsoft, who dominates the PC market with Windows and Office, people may subconsciously feel that they can't escape it so they just tolerate anything as long as MS will replace it for them.

I learned in a class that you don't lose customers for mistakes in your product, but moreso how you deal with displeased customers. If MS had been like, "sucks to be you" I think people would turn on the system. But they extended the warranty and do free replacements. They made a mistake in manufacturing but they dealt with it in a way that hasn't made their customers turn their backs on them.

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some, but not much.
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="kevbo77"]

I was just commenting on another topic that the casual market, with the exception of the Wii, is just barely being tapped, so there's still a huge market out there waiting to "jump in," so to speak. And let's be honest, casuals don't go on forums and argue about these things. They see commercials for Halo 3, and GTA IV and say to themselves, "hmm, that looks fun." They don't scower game forums deciding which hardware is more reliable. Ask any true causal what the RROD is, and they'll look at you and say, "RRO what."

kevbo77

I agree I belive that the casual market has not been fully tapped yet. But I also think that the Wii is going to keep getting a larger and larger piece of it. Why you ask...Well one is the WiiFit I know not much of a game unless your a DDR fan like me. But the Casuals are going to eat it up. Second Mario Kart and Animal Crossing well a number of so called hard core fans don't like these two games very much. It hard not to look at the sales numbers in the EU and Japan these games are going to get even more fans. Then there are games like Brainage and Nintendogs that have sold close or over 5 million copys.

And yes your right it not the boards the casual look at it the news. And there has been a lot of bad news on TV has of late about the RROD. There was a thing on the other day on MSNBC news.

I agree with most of what you're saying. There have been more rumblings on the news outlets about the RROD, but let's be honest, on a well rated MSNBC show like Keith Olberman, MSNBC will get 1 million viewers. How many of those viewers are in the video game market, how many have just gotten up to go to the bathroom, check the fridge, etc? The point I'm trying to make is the the RROD issue is magnified on the forums, and that most casual gamers don't even know of it's existence.

I think it's unconscionable that the 360 shipped with known defects, but I think that the problem has largely been remedied. I think the proper steps have been taken, and I'm glad that I've never had a problem with mine, and I play it a lot.

I hope so mine is a new one. But you think it would have taken them less than 2 years to fix the problem. But what do you do......Not buying the system is not much of a choice but I came close myself to picking up a PS3 just because of this problem. Well that and the amazing PS3 display at Best Buy. Man that a nice setup.

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I honestly don't think its hurt them that much. It should have, but it hasn't. There are people who are on their 3+ 360. If my iPod broke 3+ times I'd just call it a loss and go for a Zune or something. But people keep coming back despite the mistakes. The #1 telling sign is that the system is still selling well despite all of the hoopla. I think this would kill anyone else but beacuse its Microsoft, who dominates the PC market with Windows and Office, people may subconsciously feel that they can't escape it so they just tolerate anything as long as MS will replace it for them.

I learned in a class that you don't lose customers for mistakes in your product, but moreso how you deal with displeased customers. If MS had been like, "sucks to be you" I think people would turn on the system. But they extended the warranty and do free replacements. They made a mistake in manufacturing but they dealt with it in a way that hasn't made their customers turn their backs on them.

MrSickVisionz

Couldn't have said it better myself. Sales are clearly not being affected and awesome software is driving these sales.

[QUOTE="kevbo77"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="kevbo77"]

I was just commenting on another topic that the casual market, with the exception of the Wii, is just barely being tapped, so there's still a huge market out there waiting to "jump in," so to speak. And let's be honest, casuals don't go on forums and argue about these things. They see commercials for Halo 3, and GTA IV and say to themselves, "hmm, that looks fun." They don't scower game forums deciding which hardware is more reliable. Ask any true causal what the RROD is, and they'll look at you and say, "RRO what."

HarlockJC

I agree I belive that the casual market has not been fully tapped yet. But I also think that the Wii is going to keep getting a larger and larger piece of it. Why you ask...Well one is the WiiFit I know not much of a game unless your a DDR fan like me. But the Casuals are going to eat it up. Second Mario Kart and Animal Crossing well a number of so called hard core fans don't like these two games very much. It hard not to look at the sales numbers in the EU and Japan these games are going to get even more fans. Then there are games like Brainage and Nintendogs that have sold close or over 5 million copys.

And yes your right it not the boards the casual look at it the news. And there has been a lot of bad news on TV has of late about the RROD. There was a thing on the other day on MSNBC news.

I agree with most of what you're saying. There have been more rumblings on the news outlets about the RROD, but let's be honest, on a well rated MSNBC show like Keith Olberman, MSNBC will get 1 million viewers. How many of those viewers are in the video game market, how many have just gotten up to go to the bathroom, check the fridge, etc? The point I'm trying to make is the the RROD issue is magnified on the forums, and that most casual gamers don't even know of it's existence.

I think it's unconscionable that the 360 shipped with known defects, but I think that the problem has largely been remedied. I think the proper steps have been taken, and I'm glad that I've never had a problem with mine, and I play it a lot.

I hope so mine is a new one. But you think it would have taken them less than 2 years to fix the problem. But what do you do......Not buying the system is not much of a choice but I came close myself to picking up a PS3 just because of this problem. Well that and the amazing PS3 display at Best Buy. Man that a nice setup.

I agree that it took them way to long to fix/address the issue. I think they were just hoping it would kind of go away, but when they started getting huge shipments of bricked consoles back to the warehouse each day, they figured they needed to do something. But I also think it's a testament to the great software that there are actually people out there who are on their 4th, 5th, 6th console. It's inexcusable, but it's pretty amazing nonetheless.

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Wow....it's always funny to read cows' comments on issues like this becauseit proves how little the know about the industry.:lol:

The RRoD has hurt the x360 about as much as DREs hurtthe PS2. And MS has extended the warranty for this issue while Sony had to be successful sued in order to get DRE PS2s fixed.

At this point, the x360 is selling far better than the Xboxdid, withmuch higher software sales & attach ratio. Saying otherwise only proves you are either a cow or you don't pay attention to the industry.

Also, the "casual market" hasn't been tapped yet BECAUSE THE CONSOLES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE. Anyone with knowledge of the industry knows that the "casual market" won't be tapped until the $200 pricepoint (and below) has been reached.

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#32 Heil68
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There is no real way of knowing
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Other than having to spend a billion to deal with the problem, I don't think it has hurt them at all. 360s are selling like mad, and by putting out their PR solution of an extended warranty, I honestly think the general public has no idea at all that 360s have a hardware problem.

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#34 Carmilla31
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A ton. I wont buy a 360 for the simple fact that it will have a 10-33% chance of dying. And i know im not the only one.
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#35 Blue-Sphere
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That's really hard to say because we don't know exactly how much the RROD has been mentioned in the news or anything like that. I think it's hurt MS a little, but not as much as people think.
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#36 Derek240
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It's like the PS2 w/ DREs. In both situations, people will be turned off from buying it due to hardware issues, but at the same time, people that have it will get RROD or DREs and go out and buy a new console (i've heard many cases where ppl do this w/ the 360 even though there is a warranty). Overall, I'de say the sales even themselves out or at least come close.
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A hell of a lot I hope. MS should get sued for this horrendous failure rate, honestly even the PS2 wasn't that bad compared to the mess 360.

2 of my friends have had RROD twice now within 6 months of purchase, soon they will give up and join me to buy a PS3 :twisted: ... or a Wii, don't care which between the 2 really.

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I think that it is the biggest black mark against the console right now so it has hurt it tremendously. Deciding whether to purchase a 360 or a PS3 could easily be effected by the RROD and make the decision to purchase the PS3 instead and easy one.

The time they're wasting rectifying the problem is an issue as well. Gamers that are waiting for the RROD issue to be resolved, if kept waiting too long may end up passing on this whole generation waiting for the next one before re-considering any product from MS. Also, the RROD has a lasting effect as well in that next generation, more people than normal will hold off on purchasing the system for 6 months to a year while waiting to see that there are no problems that come up. So it's basically done some serious damage to their reputation with respect to consoles.

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accuatly i think it helped them more then hurt anyone
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RROD is the best move MS ever made. They sold 10 million X360s because they launched a defective console early. X360 wouldn't even be a consideration this generation had they done like Nintendo and Sony and waited until the system was ready. I think what will really hurt is next generation. Who is going to be first to buy an Xbox next time? I won't, infact I'm so disgusted that MS would launch a defective console on consumers so they can buy marketshare that I sold my X360 and got a PS3. Most people aren't like me though, most lemmings defend them saying it's okay. Whatever..
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RROD is the best move MS ever made. They sold 10 million X360s because they launched a defective console early. X360 wouldn't even be a consideration this generation had they done like Nintendo and Sony and waited until the system was ready. I think what will really hurt is next generation. Who is going to be first to buy an Xbox next time? I won't, infact I'm so disgusted that MS would launch a defective console on consumers so they can buy marketshare that I sold my X360 and got a PS3. Most people aren't like me though, most lemmings defend them saying it's okay. Whatever..EmperorSupreme

yeah, I'm also pretty sure they did that on purpose, a company like microsoft has enough resources to find and resolve issues like these before it's too late, if they wanted to

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#42 Tiefster
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Fanbase: With gamers it appeals to, it hasn't hurt it much and since it's probably the most niche console on the market, the only people it will drive away are casuals on the fence which can hurt it very much in a few years.

Financially: It's setting back the games division loads of money.

MS knew no one would care about 360 if it launched last november along side Wii and PS3, and the problems would have been more publicized since it would have been a huge time for media coverage.
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#43 siafni
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If it wasn't for that, I would probably own one by now , so as far as I'm concerned, it hurt a lot...